I want more progressive candidates, even in Red States! Therefore, I will:

[brooklynite]

(even though they won't say it, I can guess what a lot of people will do...)

3 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Stand for Office myself if no one else will
	0 (0%)
	Organize an effort to draft candidates in my State or District
	2 (67%)
	Write some more blog posts complaining about the job the Party does
	1 (33%)
	3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
Show usernames Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll

[sabrina 1]

7. I would ask how someone who doesn't belong to the

DC Milllionaire club might come up with the millions it takes today, thanks to their policies of allowing elected office to cost so much, in order to even consider running.

Mocking the little people isn't a liberal value.

To the OP. What is the point of this poll?

I imagine there are plenty of DUers who would run in those states if the DEM PARTY LEADERSHIP would be willing to give a little person the millions they are willing to give to entrenched members of their preferred list of politicians in order to run.

Where do you think a member of the working class should go to find the obscene amount of amount it costs to run for office?

It's a nice system to keep them OUT.

But if you can tell us how they can get IN, that would be appreciated.

[brooklynite]

10. So you want the Dem Party leadership to completely fund your campaign?

Except that the Dem Party leadership doesn't have that kind of money. And never has.

Part of the hard work of any campaign (all the way down to City Council) requires you to find financial supporters. Doesn't have to be people like me (somehow Dean and Kucinich managed to find supporters); just a lot harder than complaining from behind your keyboard.

[sabrina 1]

17. Kucinich lost to big money, did you forget? Times have changed, there is more

money than ever in politics. Your dismissive attitude doesn't surprise me at all. I know plenty of great Liberals who HAVE run for office and got zero help from their party.

You have no idea what DUers here have done and are doing but your assumptions are more revealing about you than anyone else here.

And they show how little you know about the very people you are mocking.

And that is why Dems are losing, your whole OP is a mockery of voters here who have supported the Dem Party all of their lives. Their small, by comparison, donations to the party may as well have been a million to them.

And to see you and a few others here attack and mock them for expressing their views, yes, I know the little people don't know what's good for them, is becoming more and more obvious to voters. That they are just commodities to the party that claims to be the 'party of the people'. T he only they want from them is their votes, and then go away.

Don't whine so much that voters have enough of this, they have daily concerns with their own lives and definitely don't need to be attacked and mocked by the very party they have been so loyal to.

You are perpetuating the perception, more than a perception, see the arrogance of Rahm Emmanuel eg, that the Dem Party's attitude towards working class voters has drastically changed and that is causing the party to lose so may voters.

Look to yourself to find out why dems are losing, and stop whining about the voters and maybe, just maybe someone who has more empathy with the people, will step in and give those voters something to vote FOR.

[brooklynite]

18. No, Kucinich lost because he was a fringe candidate

He had plenty of money to fund his House campaigns, but when the mix became ever so slightly more middle of the road...

[sabrina 1]

90. Lol. fringe to the 1%. hero to the Working Class. Thanks for a demonstration of

why Democrats are losing. DC is so out of touch with America it is simply mind boggling. Kucinich was the most popular candidate for president among the WORKING CLASS who finally got a voice when the discovered online forums. That was the PEOPLE talking!

And then the 1% decided 'we can't have this, he won't protect OUR interests, we must smear him, we must hire Think Tanks to come up with ways to denigrate him'.

And you just used one of those bought and paid for smears. 'Fringe', really? Someone who has turned out to have been right ABOUT EVERYTHING.

I love it when my theories are proven without any help from me. Thank you for that.

Kucinich was a real Democrat,, a fighter, sincere, of the people for the people.

The reaction to Kucinich from the Right was always 'he's from the lunatic fringe' I now, I stood up for him AGAINST the RIGHT for years.

I wonder why any Democrat would be using Right Wing memes against a Great Democrat like Kucinch?

Can you explain that?

[brooklynite]

91. Kusinich has the resources to get on the ballot in almost every State

The Working Class chose not to vote for him.

[sabrina 1]

96. Wrong, the crooked system disappeared his district.

And it's 'KuCinich', not 'KuSinich'. And fyi, he is one of the poorest members of Congress. I know it's hard to understand, as demonstrated so clearly here, but there ARE people in this country, including a very few members of Congress, who just DON'T have the resources to fight off the money that is used against them whenever they stand up for the people, as Kucinich always did.

He has always represented that district, he could move to another state I suppose, but one needs to pretty wealthy to pick and move AND try to get enough money together to run for Congress.

I would suggest to those from the DC political bubble that they try to get to know some ordinary people before telling them what they can and can not do.

[JI7]

49. Jerry Brown won without campaigning and big money attacking him , why didn't Kucinich ?

[Bluenorthwest]

64. Both Jerry and Dennis have won lesser offices both failed to secure the nomination for President.

When comparing the two, Dennis has won way more State level elections than Jerry. I like them both. But neither will secure a Presidential nomination. Other Democrats who have won easily with Big Money attacking them include every Democrat in Oregon, Merkley, Defazio Gov Kitzhaber, all of them.

[sabrina 1]

98. What? Kucinich won his seat in Congress AGAINST big money

many times. But when they redistricted him out he was unable to fight that. I guess you are in support of the redistricting strategy to get rid of good Progressive Democrats like Kunicinch then?

Jerry Brown was out of politics for a long time. Do you know WHY?

[RiverLover]

50. Awesome post Sabrina!!!! Thank U x1000! nt

[Zorra]

84. +1 nt

[SidDithers]

2. DU rec...

can't wait to meet the True Liberal™ candidate that the waffle-makers in Louisiana are going to fight to get on the 2016 Senatorial ballot against David Vitter.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

9. Do you live in Louisiana? I don't, but I do know some great liberals who live there.

One at least who would be more than willing to run. Can you tell us how he can access the millions the Dem Party puts into campaigns for their preferred, and losing, btw, candidates? If they are willing to get behind him the way they got behind all those right leaning Dems who keep losing, I have no doubt he would be willing to run.

Thanks in advance, I always value your advice to us Liberals.

[brooklynite]

11. To follow up...

...the first thing that DSCC requires of ANY candidates, progressive or centrist, is to show the ability to raise sufficient funds on their own.

[wyldwolf]

16. raising money runs counter to 'progressive' principles apparently

I've seen several posts where someone wonders how to get money from the DNC

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. Your vote, sir.

You're recommending the thread, but you don't appear to want to make a choice.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. Is 'Waffle makers' a Canadian slur of some sort?

Never heard it.

[SidDithers]

65. No, there was a thread from a Louisiana DUer yesterday...

who was proud of the fact, boastful even, that they stayed home and made waffles, instead of voting in the run-off election between Landrieu and Cassidy.

They were almost giddy that moderate Mary Landrieu lost the election, despite the fact that the ant-gay, pro-life, pro-gun Tea Party Republican who's the new Senator from LA will be much, much worse.

Sid

[Katashi_itto]

72. Maybe run on a Pro Waffle platform?

[SidDithers]

73. Hey. Knock youself out...

Waffles and Republicans go well together, I guess.

Sid

[Katashi_itto]

74. They have your shining light to guide them

[msanthrope]

3. Join the 101st Chairborne and tweet incessantly about Elizabeth Warren. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. I don't see your name under any of the choices.

I may have missed it.

[msanthrope]

37. You are right...you don't. Some of us are already Party members in good

standing who show up to the meetings, organize voter drives, canvass, and work as voter protection attorneys every single election.

Some of us don't have to promise to take action...because we are already doing it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. The OP is predicated on whether or not you want more progressive candidates to win

it doesn't take into account your claims of already having done something.

[msanthrope]

47. Sure. I'll be happy to do for them what I've been doing all along. nt

[derby378]

70. I hate to say it...

...but that may no longer be good enough. That statement applies equally to me, you, and every other DUer.

The Republicans were determined to humiliate us in 2014, not merely defeat us. Time for a little collective soul-searching.

[msanthrope]

71. Well, shite....I guess I'd just love to see some progressives show up at the meetings.....nt

[freshwest]

54. +1

[steve2470]

78. +1 nt

[hfojvt]

4. I already stood for office - twice, in my red state

although I am hardly the poster child here for "progressives".

I STILL say, as a candidate for Congress, that I was far, far more progressive than Raj Goyle of Wichita, who bragged about how he cut taxes and cut government spending and tried to convince the voters "I am practically a Republican, so vote for me"

I was actually beaten in the primary by a candidate who was to the left of me (although probably not for that reason, the vote seemed more geographical than anything else. I won the northern part of the district and she won the southern part.)

When the DFA (Dean's Democracy For America) endorsed Goyle and ignored the woman who beat me in the primary, I quit making monthly donations to them.

Even a supposed progressive organization supported a DINO and ignored a progressive. Not that she had a chance of winning anyway, and Goyle, having raised a million dollars certainly seemed more viable.

[bravenak]

13. Hope you give it another try.

School board, city council, anything. It would be nice to see you hold an office.

[hfojvt]

21. I actually did hold an office

and kind of made a difference.

I served on the local water board for four years, from 2009-2013.

Before I ran, the water rates were increased often like this

15% for the small customers
3% for the middle customers
0% for the largest customers.

In 2012 though I managed to convince the board, even though I was not at the meeting (so probably Mike did most of the work) to have a rate increase like this

0% for the two lowest rates
2% for the three rates above that.

Does that make a difference? I doubt it. The difference between 15% and 0% is a mere dollar per month.

But for me, it is quite an outrage for the poorest customers, about 1,000 of us to pay an extra dollar per month and then subsidize Wal-mart (a much larger customer) with 0% rate increases. Other large customers being subsidized - the local golf courses, car washes, and schools, and city government.

Even if it is only $1 per month. Why should that dollar be taken from my pocket and put into the pocket of Wal-mart?

I also was the main force pushing the Department to pay off their loan, saving them perhaps $40,000 a year in interest.

But being on that board was about 100 hours of volunteer time a year, so I quit after one term, and one of the richest guys in town took my seat.

[Chathamization]

15. I imagine he seemed more viable since he was a Democrat, and the Reform Party is mostly dead; they

only got ~2.48% in the election you're talking about (I assume you ran as a Reform party candidate, since you were in a primary other than the Democratic primary Goyle was in). DFA does take viability into account, which is why more DFA endorsed candidates have national elections than all the Greens, Reforms, and just about any other third party candidates you can think of put together.

[hfojvt]

19. I am not in Goyle's district

I ran as a Democrat in my own district.

Although one of my problems was that I did not promote that fact.

I kinda felt bad about running, in the end.

It went like this. First, a State Senator declare for the seat. She quickly raised about $250,000, decided money wasn't coming fast enough and dropped out after a month. This was December 2009. Cheryl said she was running in January. I went to the Democratic Convention in late February, hoping to hear her speak. She stood up and introduced herself, but seemed unwilling, or unable, to speak.

So she didn't seem like a viable candidate to me. Another guy announced his interest in the seat at that time as well, and gave a poor speech.

So here it was April. Cheryl still had not filed, nor was she doing any campaigning other than having a half-completed website. Having spent a month debating it and formulating plans, at that point, I decided - I am in, paid the filing fee, sent an email to all the newspapers in the district and drove to Pittsburg to speak at a meeting of the Crawford County Democrats.

Then I proceeded to barnstorm the district, trying to visit every town with more than 1,000 people in a district covering 1/3 of the state.

Later though, Cheryl did file, and she got better at speaking (although her speech at the Topeka event was kind of a dud). So I kind of wish I had just supported her instead of spending my own time and money. I could have instead spent more time with my new puppies.

[Chathamization]

33. Thanks for clarifying. I’ve personally found DFA to be pretty decent with their endorsements, but

I’m not sure how much of that is the fact that we have a really good local group here. I haven’t seen any endorsements that made me cringe the way some Working Family Party endorsements have (though I still think WFP is a generally good organization).

This is what they say about endorsements on their site:

We measure the community and local support in a number of different ways. For starters, supporters can publicly add their support using the ‘Voice Your Support’ feature on any candidate’s application page. We also utilize the endorsement decision of local DFA groups as a gauge for local DFA member support.
Maybe the reason why they endorsed the candidate from one area and not another is because of local DFA members (or lack thereof)? Of course, yeah, if your local DFA group is dead their might not be much of a reason to donate money to them.

Your story’s interesting. I’m always curious about how much of an impact any particular aspect of campaigning has. Particularly in local races (which I mostly focus on), where people don’t seem to be paying much attention (or bothering to vote). We just had a guy come out well ahead of a well endorsed establishment favorite, seemingly because his name sounded like another politician’s name (though the progressive – DFA endorsed – ended up winning; we had spent almost two years trying to get her elected.

[hfojvt]

48. it's not like they endorsed Goyle in the primary

and I am not sure what local groups there are, if there is one in Wichita or JoCo or Topeka or Lawrence or even Pittsburg. I know there is not one in my town.

But even if there was one in Wichita, why the heck would they think that Goyle was progressive?

I just felt like. I was supposed to be donating to a group that would be endorsing or trying to elect people from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. Even if there was a DFA group in Wichita, why would they think Goyle was such a candidate? It's like they ignored Cheryl who might join the progressive caucus on the very long chance that she won, and instead endorsed somebody who would proudly be a blue dog.

[Chathamization]

57. Yes, that’s frustrating. I think part of the answer is that the DFA is OK with endorsing more

Yes, that’s frustrating. I think part of the answer is that the DFA is OK with endorsing more conservative Democrats in conservative states (there website mentions this), even though they tend to be in favor of more progressive candidates in many places. I can’t say I personally buy the idea that Democrats need to be more conservative to win conservative states (though I don’t entirely discount it either), however, many do. Electability, however, is something I do think is pretty important even if it’s hard to gauge. And it can sometimes lead to endorsements of decent but less than ideal candidates.

As for Goyle in particular, he apparently announced his campaign at a DFA meeting, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a lot of support from the members there. If there was an active local group pushing for his endorsement, and there wasn’t one pushing for Cheryl’s, it might explain the outcome. Particularly so with a group like the DFA which gives a lot of weight to local groups and often relies on them to inform these decisions.

[FSogol]

5. K&R. Anyone who only agrees with us 95% of the time isn't good enough!

[Union Scribe]

8. It apparently wasn't good enough to win. nt

[Rex]

39. Well er uh er uh

Facts don't speak loudly with this certain crowd. They would rather polarize the party than actually have an open debate.

[treestar]

93. She lost to a tea partier, not a progressive

So gloating about her loss in this way is irrational.

[Union Scribe]

6. Aw. My grandma calls all websites blogs, too. nt

[wyldwolf]

12. 128 views, 3 responses

[steve2470]

14. k&r nt

[RandiFan1290]

20. "urban gang fight"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014378251

[Rex]

41. How sad, but his fans love it.

Typical group that would probably say the same thing. And people keep saying DU is going downhill, no just some of the posters are showing their true colors imo.

[stevenleser]

22. If folks were being honest, the third choice would have about 175 votes...

[B Calm]

23. There should of been a fourth choice.

Keep voting for democratic candidates that take the party further to the right.

[stevenleser]

24. Is that how you would have voted? nt

[Bobbie Jo]

26. Actually

That looks like a vote for the 3rd option.

Write some more blog posts complaining about the job the Party does

[HappyMe]

30. So what if people complain.

What about those that just complain that others are complaining.

[Bobbie Jo]

51. Well

Chonic complaining doesn't seem to be very productive in terms of electing more progressive candidates. I think the OP makes a valid point in that regard.

On the other hand, complaining about complaining isn't exactly getting us anywhere either.

[HappyMe]

55. Hey, I do my part to get progressive candidates elected.

Between the carping like this OP and the doom & gloom emails from the party, I'm not surprised nobody voted in November. Hell yeah I will complain here, but I also complain to tptb in the party also. I think we would be in bigger trouble if we all started the zombie-like, unquestioning devotion to the Democratic party like some republicans have to their's.

[Bobbie Jo]

59. So do I

But I gotta say, exaggerations like; "zombie-like, unquestioning devotion" get really old.

I have my own complaints, but it would be nice to have a conversation about the direction of the Democratic Party without the extreme posturing on either side of the dialogue.

[HappyMe]

60. I didn't say that it was zombie-like.

I said that we would be in trouble if it did get like that. I look into the candidates. If I don't like what I read, I will leave that spot blank.

[B Calm]

36. and would you be my fourth option?

[Bobbie Jo]

46. Okay??

[B Calm]

28. No, but it would make it a more honest poll!

[HappyMe]

27. I actually did go work for a more progressive

candidate that was up for re-election. She lost this time. Another more middle Democrat was on the ballot for a different office, and he lost worse than she did.

Blaming one or the other faction is silly. It's pretty clear turnout for Democrats across the board was not good. I'm also tired of these mocking, snarky kind of OPs. Unless there is a candidate that is truly inspiring to work for, I'm sitting out 2016.

[Glassunion]

25. You forgot an option.

Start a South Bashing thread on DU loaded full of terms like "M'erica, racists, kkk, cowboy-hats, jeebus, and redneck".

[iandhr]

32. Most people do the last think on the list.

I am across them on the trail this cycle. They come into the office. They will ***** about everything you are doing wrong but they won't lift a finger to help.

[zipplewrath]

34. Fund progressive candidates

Predominately my current strategy is to fund progressive candidates and their associated PACs. I make sure ALL my donations are connected on way or another to a progressive candidate or organization. Donations "through" Elizabeth Warren is one good way. Money talks and I want it talking progressively.

[HappyMe]

38. Good idea.

After the 1st of the year when finances are better, I will look into this.

[Turbineguy]

35. Vote republican

[LondonReign2]

40. I selected

D: I Love Push Polls

[Jamaal510]

42. I want more progressive candidates, even in Red States! Therefore, I will...

become king of America, ship all Republicans to Mars, make civics lessons mandatory for all, and force everyone to watch Democracy Now and MSNBC.

[freshwest]

56. +1

[LeftInTX]

68. You stole my idea!!

Except I had them going to Guantanamo.
Mars is a better option!!

[Kalidurga]

44. Complain

that's all I got. I live in Minnesota. I am pretty happy with the people who run the state. Improvements can be made of course. I do feel for the people who are trapped in the south, it's very hard to build a party from the ground up especially when people are too willing to kick it down before it even grows legs.

[Rex]

45. Sure ya do! Kewl story bro!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. the kewlest of kewl stories

The OP writes a slanted poll that purports to care about getting more progressive candidates elected, then centrists who (like the OP) haven't bothered to vote in the slanted poll pile on to schoolmarm everyone else for being armchair warriors, etc. Gosh, I just wish more centrists cared about me enough to berate me and fight for my principles, as opposed to fighting for their own.

[Rex]

80. I agree it is the strangest strategy I've ever seen. The beatdowns will commence to raise moral!

"You are all dogshit, now vote for who I say or else you are ungrateful morans that hate the Democratic Party" has never quite motivated me to want to take them seriously. Just the opposite.

I've even told a few of them that I don't think they are here at all for honest or sincere reasons. My fav little group are the ones that scream about purity and then turn right around and tell you...no demand...that you vote for their centrist candidate!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

52. Are you unable to vote in your own poll?

Or don't you want more progressive candidates, even in Red States?

[brooklynite]

63. Since I'm not convinced a MORE progressive candidate can win in a State like Louisiana...

...I'm happy to support a pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights, pro-ACA, pro-progressive tax, pro-Democratic nominee blue-dog an the alternative to a Tea Party Republican.

Happy to keep supporting progressives in places where they can win.

Of course, your opinion may vary from mine.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. So you are like 'moderates' always are, convinced that the only sort who can win is the sort

who just lost. Sharp stuff. I'm told that repeating the same actions while expecting different results is a sign of sheer genius.
Keep doing what you are doing!!!!!! Pay no attention to what is going on around you. Keep spending!!!!!!

[brooklynite]

69. Last time I checked, Mark Udall lost as well...

...so did school teacher Amanda Curtis in Montana.

And can I point out that the blue dogs who lost were blue dogs because they won before?

[JI7]

85. Udall is considered a centrist and that's why even though he is a critic of the NSA

he was not able to get the many liberals who don't vote because of lack of liberal canddiates to vote for him.

[brooklynite]

88. Fair enough...name a progressive who won in a Red state...

[Rex]

81. Don't get moderates and centrists mixed up. One believes in regulation and fair trade

and the other get's their talking points from a libertarian think tank made up of investment bankers. I bet you can guess which is which.

[LeftInTX]

58. Lobby to throw all the conservatives in Guantanamo

Make it a crime to be one.
Start a Redneck Scare


I'm just joking, but getting rid of conservatives would be one sure way to get more progressives elected.

I would love the throw Perry, Abbott, Patrick, Gohmert, Nugent, Scott and all of their crazy fans out of the country. It would be better place.

[Bluenorthwest]

61. I don't live in a Red State but one thing I do is forward DU threads by moderates to fund

raising obsessed politicians with notes saying 'with out of State donors plugging your holes, I will not be donating'.
I really don't want to be in a club with Republican clones.

[Scootaloo]

66. You left one out.

"Abandon all progressive values, shit on the Democratic base, and dress up as a repoublican to try to win with Republican voters"

[TBF]

75. Marry an investment banker so I can fund

candidates I like?

[brooklynite]

86. Actually a tax lawyer, but it comes out to the same thing...

[TheKentuckian]

76. I don't consider myself a viable candidate at this time, nothing horrible but easy fodder for attack

in a few areas, perhaps correctable with time but now just a recipe for a mess that cannot be fixed moving forward I probably need some of the hardline crackers to pass on in this state so that leaves me to organize and support others.

I'm very comfortable with my rep though he probably is only got 3-5 cycles left at 67 or so. I'd like to knock some of the Rebs off the council though the whole thing seems rather locked in and we maintain the advantage. Our mayor just got reelected, he is decent though in no way a firebrand, more of a plain spoken man of the people type.

What we need for Senate is a rural liberal, folks from Louisville (unless they are a stray Republican like the turtle and even that was a generation ago) are essentially auto rejected and Lt. Governor is the limit.

We also need to run some of the yahoos out of the state Senate but in many cases that seems a tougher row to hoe than winning in Utah or Alabama. Some of these are "sun down" areas and probably are from where the people that call Bush and McShame liberals hail.

I had held out some small hope that my former mayor might break after getting there but wow, Lt Gov. Mayor Jerr is about 70 too and the post now seems more like a lifetime achievement award than a stepping stone. I'm sure he will continue to serve both locally and nationally (doing a bit of a gig for the Whitehouse now while finishing out his term) but the Senate doesn't seed likely or even sensible at his age.


I expect Jack Conway will be the next governor of the Commonwealth, would I like someone more liberal? Of course but Jack is a good man and maybe a little less corporate leaning than Beshear though that probably also translates to be more of a "law and order" type. Despite my incompatibilities, it did hurt to be in front of that stage as he made that concession speech after the loss to Randroid not just for my state and our nation but for Jack and his lovely family, I find I like the man.

I'm also going to not knock on another door, donate a red cent, or pick up the phone for another corporate clown particularly one who is trying to pretend to be a right winger and I am considering doing any and everything to make sure such folks have an uphill battle to viability aka create room for them and if nothing else I'll be less infuriated with myself and the party when they lose while making a mockery of my values.
.

[DeadLetterOffice]

77. Work for SERIOUS education reform AND wealth-gap remediation

because those two things will go a long way (over time) to turning those red states less conservative and more likely to vote for the progressives who live and run there.

What I won't do is move south and run for office. Too damn hot. And I couldn't live in the Midwest again if you paid me -- sorry, did my time, not leaving my mountains again any time soon.

[HockeyMom]

79. Move

ok, while this isn't the ONLY reason, it certainly is one of them.

[hrmjustin]

82. I think better candidate recruiting might be something the party can look at.

The party should also not be afraid to fund more progressive candidates in red states,

But the reality is I live in a blue state so red state Democrats can better speak for themselves than I can.

[baldguy]

83. Where's the "Vote for Democrats" option?

You can push to have the most liberal candidates in the world - but if they don't GET ELECTED they can't do anything.

We're in a proverbial arms race against the GOP & the RW corproatocracy, and it requires a great deal of money and a great deal of organization to combat. And it doesn't really help to piss & moan about the nearly mythical "third way" and go out of your way to sabotage Democrats who have money & an organization. It causes a lot of harm, as a matter of fact.

[brooklynite]

87. Too late in the game...

...the "dump the Blue Dogs" brigade wants a better selection of candidates to vote for.

[baldguy]

89. Seems they wake up on election day & whine that *they* didn't get to choose these candidates

Forgetting about all the networking, hand shaking & baby kissing those candidates did in the previous 3, or 5, or 10 yrs. The very fact that they did that work & won their primary is proof enough to those phony Democrats that our candidates are part of some imaginary "third way" cabal & are really Republicans in disguise - therefor they refuse to vote for them.

Meanwhile, they wonder why the actual Republicans keep getting elected.

[sabrina 1]

94. Obviously YOU need to start paying attention what THEY have been doing. You might understand

the issue people have been working on, talking about and acting on for years now.

I'll just make it short. How do THEY stop the Corporate Money flowing to Corporate candidates in order to BEAT the candidates THEY actually DO choose, back, handshake, network, baby kiss and fund and campaign for THEMSELVES.

Because while your snide attempt to denigrate voters may feel good on the internet, nothing you just accused people of could be further from the truth.

Maybe if instead of whining about Dems losing all the time on the internet, you might want to join those who ARE out there finding and supporting Progressive Dems only to end up with no support from their own party who, no matter how often they lose, will back the corporate candidate almost every time.

[baldguy]

95. I'll think about that every time the phony "liberals"

call the most liberal President we've had in 3 generations a "RW oligarch in Wall Streets' pocket" & when they cheer when Democrats lose elections.

[sabrina 1]

97. How many Progressive Democrats are in the President's

Cabinet? How many Republicans have there been and Corporate Wall St Ceos, Monsanto eg?

[treestar]

92. I agree there is too much the spirit of blaming others

and not trying to be part of things. Very judgmental of the people who actually do something for not doing enough. That's not democracy, that's - who knows what it is.