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By Nate Jones
Why is Mark Wahlberg currently asking Massachusetts to clear his record of a felony assault conviction he received in 1988? Wahlberg's petition states that a clean slate would be "a formal recognition that I am not that same person that I was on the night" he attacked two Vietnamese men, but there are also professional reasons: Wahlberg says his felony record could prevent him from "obtaining positions in law enforcement." Now TMZ has found exactly what he means: The actor reportedly wants to be a reserve officer with the LAPD, a position in which civilian volunteers perform the duties of a full-time police officer. Neither of Walhberg's victims has commented on the potential pardon.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/mark-wahlberg-reportedly-wants-to-join-the-lapd.html
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I don't think so. His lame, lawyered-up, oh-so-Republican "non-apology apology" (I'm sorry for those I may have hurt..." really rubs me the wrong way. I call bullshit. Great--that's just what we need--another racist, violent cop running loose. What an AWESOME idea!
Tell you what, you little creep--you'll get a pardon just as soon as the man regains the sight in the eye that you took away from him. I don't know, I just think some crimes are so heinous that they should haunt you for the rest of your life, and a hate crime is one of them. If you feel the same way, here's a link to a petition to deny the pardon:
https://www.change.org/p/advisory-board-of-pardons-for-the-commonwealth-of-massachusetts-deny-a-pardon-to-mark-wahlberg
How many Joe Blows get pardoned? Just because he's famous doesn't make him above the law.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I think it's more likely a liquor license for his restaurant. . .
catbyte
(34,390 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)A felony rap would stall that too.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)nt
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)16 year old is very different then a 41 year old. He has improved his life so much. Plus everyone should be given a second chance. Yep I am bleeding heart when it comes to second chances.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)He does need to make reparations to the ones he has hurt however.
I am not sure if he did or not.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Here's a great piece on the matter.
http://time.com/3623630/mark-wahlberg-pardon/
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On November 26, Wahlberg filed a petition to have his conviction expunged from his record. If Governor Deval Patrick issues any pardons, he should not waste one on Mark Wahlberg. Patricks record of being stingy with clemency will only make it look like a rich white celebrity can get anything he wants, even if that includes having his past forgiven from any youthful indiscretions. But based on the racially motivated nature of Wahlbergs crimes, they seem to be a lot worse than shoplifting, small amounts of drug possession, or the odd DUI (though he has one of those too) that can plague many people.
This comes at an especially bad time with the protests in Ferguson and New York City, where black Americans are expressing their anger at being treated unfairly by the cops. Then in walks Mark Wahlberg, with his huge wallet, showing everyone that if you are white and privileged in this country, you should get special treatment. Wahlberg may have the necessary funds to pay for all the lawyers to shepherd through his pardon (again, something many people cant afford), but he needs to pay for a better publicist. Not only is this appeal bringing more attention to his past arrests, but also making him look more like a jerk than he really is.
Having a conviction on your record can keep many people from voting or securing a job, so why is the artist formerly known as Marky Mark so concerned? Its not like he has any shortage of money. So why the need for a pardon? He lists a few reasons.
My prior record can potentially be the basis to deny me a concessionaires license in California and elsewhere, he writes. Well, that hasnt stopped him from opening several restaurants, including Wahlbergers, which has its own A&E show. And should the court really be concerned that a very rich man is not able to get even richer in a certain field? No, it should not. Doesnt Wahlberg and his considerable capital have every available outlet to expand his fortune? Yes, he does.
He has other reasons. I have become close with many members of the local law enforcement community in Boston and Los Angeles, including as a member of the board of directors of the L.A. County Sheriffs Youth Foundation, which is dedicated to helping at risk youth, he writes. But his record keeps him from working with at-risk youth.
This seems like a legitimate concern, but that doesnt mean its insurmountable. As Gwynn Gilford points out on Quartz, the issues that effect Wahlberg because of his conviction affect many recovered felons. Rather than making things easier for a mediocre film actor, there should instead be new policies that make it easier for all recovered felons.
Why isnt Wahlberg out there speaking out for reform in those areas and trying to repeal the silly laws that keep convicts from working in food service, for instance? Thats the sort of policy work he could do quite easily with his public profile. Look at what Jenny McCarthy has done for vaccine nuts, and shes not nearly as famous or as likeable. Just like Wahlberg can have any job he wants, he can also do any sort of outreach he wants for any number of other issues, conviction be damned.
He BLINDED a man.
He beat up two Vietnamese men (one with a five-foot-long wooden pole) who he called gooks and other racial slurs. He also had an injunction against him for chasing down fellow residents of Dorchester, Massachusetts, and calling them racial slurs while throwing rocks at them. In 1992, after he had morphed into rapper Marky Mark, he repeatedly kicked another man in the head. And there was also a 1996 arrest for driving a boat under the influence.
Oh, and he was kicked out of Madonna's house for calling someone a 'homo'.
He's cute. He seems nice now... but, fuck him and his racist homophobic past. He needs to do a fuck of a lot more to atone for that shit than write a letter to the court.
JI7
(89,250 posts)for what he did in the past. he just things he should be rewarded for what he later did.
i would like to know what the asians, blacks, gays he attacked have to say about all of this.
catbyte
(34,390 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)claims he should try to make amends with the people he attacked but hasn't done so. but no problem, he doesn't feel guilt over it.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...until then, Marky Mark gets to deal with the consequences of being a violently racist asshole in his teen years...
ncjustice80
(948 posts)Id rather keep another racist pig off the streets. Never watchinf another of his movies ever again!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)The time to do that was before he became a multimillionaire.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)At 41 doing something terrible at 16 when the brain is not developed yet.
elias49
(4,259 posts)ncjustice80
(948 posts)catbyte
(34,390 posts)All that pardon will do is it make him even richer than he already is. He's not suffering at all.
Logical
(22,457 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)This is a first. I am surprised.
JI7
(89,250 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)16 not 41. You know that!
JI7
(89,250 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He should be pardoned.
JI7
(89,250 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It was not even an exchange in my book. Wow! Quite a stretch to say the least.
JI7
(89,250 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)And truthfully that is the LAST thing I want to do. I am sorry that I disappoint you. I really don't mean to.
Logical
(22,457 posts)The attacks were peppered with racial slurs; he called Lam a "Vietnam f*cking sh*t" before smashing him in the head with a large club and knocking him unconscious, and he punched Trinh so hard that he left him blinded in one eye. He repeatedly referred to both men as "slant-eyed gooks" while he was being arrested. Wahlberg, who was 17, was tried as an adult and served 45 days in jail for the crime.
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According to The Boston Globe, to this day Wahlberg has never apologized or paid restitution to the victims of his crimes. He also hasn't really acknowledged his pattern of bigoted language and racist violence, which included a separate episode in which he threw rocks at African-American schoolchildren while shouting that "black n*ggers" were unwelcome in his community.
And he has never reached out to the Vietnamese-American community or other communities of color with the kind of targeted charity and philanthropic presence befitting someone who was truly remorseful for the repulsive actions of his youth.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/09/opinion/yang-mark-wahlberg/index.html
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)He was a 16 year old from a really, really rough neighborhood. He Turned his life around and is a true "do-gooder" now.
It just took a few google clicks to find this out.
http://hollowverse.com/mark-wahlberg/ - this article has footnotes to verify the following:
Wahlberg knows what its like to be the underdogas a young hoodlum on the streets of Boston and as a human in a world governed by apes, where humans were second-class citizens at best. This experience has colored Wahlbergs political views. Look how he gets you with this quote:
My politics are about kids who grew up in places like me. I am concerned with the environment, but Im a lot more concerned about the environment in the inner city that doesnt have any trees or marshes to save.5
Wahlberg backs it up with his charity work, which includes charities for the homeless6 as well as a foundation for helping underprivileged youth.7
But at the end of the day, Wahlberg is a Democrat, having donated all of his campaign contribution money so far to Democratic presidential candidates, including Obama in 2008.8 He seems to be a supporter for Obamas 2012 campaign as well.9
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Also, google his name and see all the right-wing sites who hate him. THat's good enough for me.
I'm not linking the article here but the title is: Mark Wahlberg is No Conservative Hero or Have You Forgotten?
catbyte
(34,390 posts)BLINDED a completely innocent man that did nothing wrong except Walking While Asian. Wahlberg then issues a half assed "apology." Did you read that petition? He's not doing this for altruistic reasons; he's doing it, I suspect, in order to get a liquor license, and not because he wants to become a reserve LAPD officer or that he's truly sorry. I should've made myself clearer about the half baked non-apology apology that Republicans are famous for. Sorry I wasn't clearer. I don't give a flying fig if he donated to Obama or not. He said in 2006 that "the right thing to do would be to find the man he blinded & make amends." He said he hadn't done that, nor does he plan to because he "was no longer burdened by guilt." How nice for him. Too bad the man he attacked has been burdened by blindness for the rest of his life. How about the burden that little African American girl carries with the memory of being hit on the head by a rock & called despicable names? Yeah, I believe in redemption as much as the next person, but, because of the very serious nature of his crimes, he was tried as an adult, so therefore he will have that felony conviction on his record. Why should HE get preferential treatment merely because he's rich and famous? That's what pisses me off.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)catbyte
(34,390 posts)Nightline
A Candid Chat With Mark Wahlberg
Sept. 29, 2006
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At the New York opening of Martin Scorsese's "The Departed," Wahlberg is the first of the stars to walk the red wave, and Nightline co-anchor Cynthia McFadden came along for a taste of what it's like to be Mark Wahlberg. Wahlberg spoke candidly about his troubled past, his careful choice of films, his real-life entourage, and his personal philosophy of golf.
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The rage he channeled for the role comes from a very personal place -- the tough streets he was raised on in Dorchester, Mass. He led a life characterized by incidents of petty crime, drug dealing and racism.
He harassed a group of African American school kids with racist epithets, and when he was 16, again using racist language, he attacked a middle-aged Vietnamese man and left the man blind in one eye. Wahlberg was arrested for attempted murder, plead guilty to assault, and spent 45 days in jail.
And though the right thing to do would be to try to find the man and make amends, Wahlberg says, he admits he hasn't done so -- but says he's no longer burdened by guilt.
"I did a lot of things that I regretted and I certainly paid for my mistakes," Wahlberg says. "You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn't until I really started doing good and doing right, by other people as well as myself, that I really started to feel that guilt go away. So I don't have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning."
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catbyte
(34,390 posts)I'd say he got off damned easy--he was initially charged with attempted murder but it was plead down to assault. He was sentenced to 2 years in prison, but only served 45 days. Why? Do you think a poor guy who was a few shades darker than Wahlberg, and who didn't have a teen idol brother would get the same sweet deal? I think not.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Wahlberg had been in trouble 2025 times with the Boston Police Department in his youth. By age 13, Wahlberg had developed an addiction to cocaine and other substances.[9][10] At 15, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for his involvement in two separate incidents of harassing African-American children (the first were siblings, and the second incident was a group of black school children on a field trip), by throwing rocks and shouting racial epithets.[11] At 16, Wahlberg approached a middle-aged Vietnamese man named Thanh Lam on the street and, using a large wooden stick, knocked him unconscious while calling him "Vietnam fucking shit".[12] That same day Wahlberg also attacked a second Vietnamese man named Hoa Trinh, punching him in the face with such force that it left him permanently blind in one eye.[11][12] [13] According to court documents regarding these assaults, investigators noted that Wahlberg "made numerous unsolicited racial statements about 'gooks' and 'slant-eyed gooks'." [12][13]
For these crimes, Wahlberg was charged with attempted murder, pleaded guilty to assault and was sentenced to two years in Suffolk County Deer Island House of Correction. He ultimately served only 45 days of his sentence.[12][14] In another incident, the 21-year-old Wahlberg fractured the jaw of a neighbor in an unprovoked attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg
JI7
(89,250 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)But I do not know
Though all in all Wahlberg has turned his life around quite nicely, especially in recent years where hes been involved in numerous charitable endeavors, particularly benefiting underprivileged youth, he still had several instances of violence in his post-prison, younger years (around the Marky Mark period). For instance, when he was 21 years old, he viciously and repeatedly kicked the plaintiff, Robert D. Crehan, in the face and jaw while a friend of his, Derk McCall, held Crehan down on the ground. This resulted in Crehans jaw being broken, as well as a claimed decrease in learning ability. Wahlberg also famous had a fight with certain members of Madonnas entourage (which he states Madonna still owes him an apology over). He also attacked a security guard, which resulted in him having to appear in several anti-bias advertisements. Wahlberg states about his early life: Ive made a lot of mistakes in my life and Ive done bad things. But I never blamed my upbringing for that. I never behaved like a victim so that I would have a convenient reason for victimizing others. Everything I did wrong was my own fault. I was taught the difference between right and wrong at an early age. I take full responsibility.
Wahlberg was originally cast in both Oceans Eleven and Brokeback Mountain, but turned both roles down. In Oceans Eleven, he was cast as Linus Caldwell, but withdrew and Matt Damon was cast instead. In Brokeback Mountain he states he withdrew due to being uncomfortable with the sex scenes.
Wahlberg and several friends originally had tickets to fly on United 93, one of the planes hijacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001. However, they ended up deciding to instead charter a plane to go attend a film festival in Canada before returning to Los Angeles. Wahlberg has since stated that If I was on that plane with my kids, it wouldnt have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of blood in that first-class cabin and then me saying, OK, were going to land somewhere safely, dont worry. Obviously this didnt go over very well with people who lost loved ones on that plane, nor with the general public. Given Wahlbergs apparent propensity towards violence, even when unprovoked, the first part of his claim isnt really that far-fetched. However, the passengers of United 93 did revolt once they realized the bomb threat the terrorists were using to control them wasnt likely true. They learned this after several passengers heard of the planes that hit the twin towers from talking to loved ones on their cell phones. Unfortunately for the passengers, though, the terrorists at this point were obviously the ones flying the plane. Once the passengers had nearly broken into the cockpit, the hijackers made the decision to simply crash the plane, with one recorded as saying Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down? and another responding, Yes, pull it down. The pilot then rolled the plane over and began chanting Allāhu Akbar, while the passengers continued to fight. The official report states that at the time of impact, the passengers were just seconds from taking complete control. So obviously Wahlberg with his temper and fighting ability being there or not would have made no difference as the hijackers would have put the plane down all the same the second it was apparent a passenger or group of passengers were about to retake the aircraft.
JI7
(89,250 posts)have their records cleared.
as others said, this is about the license to sell liquor .
catbyte
(34,390 posts)ploy in a bid for "street cred" when he was trying to become famous. He was middle class, & by the time he got to be a teenager, his brother Donnie was already a well-known member of New Kids on the Block & they weren't struggling financially. That whole "ghetto" story is poppycock.
JI7
(89,250 posts)make up some stuff about coming from a rough background, learning about life from the streets and other shit.
TexasTowelie
(112,204 posts)One of my friends is his cousin. The guy grew up in the white suburbs of Dallas.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)When these happened (in April, 1988), New Kids on the Block was a virtually unknown local group with a few failed singles. Hangin' Tough wasn't released until September of that year, and wouldn't see real popularity until 1989.
I have no doubt that many would consider Dorchester to be "middle class" relative to, say, Roxbury, but it is decidedly white working class in many aspects, and was more so in the 1980's pre-gentrification.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and opening for Tiffany. While it is true that they got greater later, virtual unknowns are not at #10. The group had existed since 1984, Mark was in it but quit, and they'd recorded since 86.
By 91, Mark had his own project, with star fueled backing. So that would have been in the works 2 and a half years after he'd beaten this man blind.
Mark plead guilty to assault after being charged with attempted murder. He was sentenced to 2 years of which he served 45 days because he had money behind him by that time.
The crimes and the success are not separated by long years but by a matter of months. The adjudication of the crimes was basically concurrent with Donnie's rise to stardom and the creation of a platform for Mark. That's just the facts.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)In April 1988. NKOTB was on the road to obscurity until Please... was picked up. No doubt, NKOTB money assisted Wahlberg in the case adjudication, but at the time the crimes were committed, he was as ordinary as any other teenager tough guy in Dorchester.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)band the tough guy had quit which shortly produced another band just for the tough guy, so shortly that had he served his actual time the project would have been delayed beyond viability. That's not at all ordinary.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Also, I'm not convinced it was a Top 10 single until the fall of that year. It was certainly in the top 100 that summer, but I don't think it reached 10. Do you have a link?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)"The single eventually peaked at #10 the week of October 8, 1988."
Regardless, the Wahlbergs weren't exactly dirt-poor to begin with - their parents were a bank clerk and a Teamster. Though the main reason I disagree with the pardon - aside from the one victim's permanent injuries - is Wahlberg's cynical motives in seeking it.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)So it could not have been experiencing some meteoric rise at the time of the incident. Indeed, it almost failed like the previous singles, and the record company was ready to drop them. It caught fire in the summer, but wasn't a top 10 hit until fall. The previous poster claims to be stating facts; they are not documented facts.
A bank clerk and a teamster in the 80's in Dorchester is working class. Not dirt poor, but not exactly swimming in cash either.
I agree that Wahlberg's motives are cynical and he shouldn't be pardoned. The depiction of him as some privileged kid at the time is, however, false. He was a white working class kid whose older brother had some failed musical aspirations. Then he succeeded. That's all. Throw a rock in Southie, in Dorchester, in Queens, in the Bronx, in South Philly, in a million other working class neighborhoods in 1988 and you'll hit a sixteen year old with a similar profile.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And I know the New Kids' success almost certainly had nothing to do with his lenient sentence.
I was just saying these things "for the record," so to speak.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,234 posts)'publicons are morons. I don't need their ignorance to reinforce my opinion.
Just in case you missed it
'publicons are morons
ripcord
(5,402 posts)when the man who lost the sight in one eye in this attack gets his sight back he can have his pardon.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I will never again allow folks to call me "Marky Mark". It always kind of grated, anyway.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)he has done well in life and it hasn't hurt him.
but most peopel don't make it as high as he has. why doesn't he call for having everyone who has offenses when underage but have done good for years and have no additional offenses get their records erased also ?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Something like 20 years of no arrests should be good to get a pardon. This case seems like there would be rich man's justice separate from every one else.
JI7
(89,250 posts)someone even when he legally became an adult.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)we weren't putting so many people in to jail for bull shit reasons.
JI7
(89,250 posts)people.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)I'd say he would fit right in.
Give this man a pardon right now and let him patrol the streets of Los Angeles, Portland, Houston, New York City or Omaha! He'd be a God to those officers.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But I don't know that that's true either - he did some awful things as a kid though.
Bryant
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I wouldn't call him very good.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Marky Mark himself has never seemed particularly noteworthy to me... kind of plays the same guy every time, as you said.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And I know he's been in a lot. He may not be as famous as Marky Mark but he certainly has been successful.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)is his performance as a mental patient in his underpants in Bruce Willis' bathroom in The Sixth Sense.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Other than Boogie Nights, where he kinda played a slow witted kid, I can't think of where he's been good.
The Departed, I dunno, his character was pretty much written just to say cocksucker and get mad a lot. Not many chops there.
Logical
(22,457 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)He wouldn't have to seek pardons for this shit, they'd give him a commendation.
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Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)If he had truely changed he would be doing a lot more community service. He would be doing everything he could to help minority communities that are as bad as he says his was. I don't see that happening so F' him.
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)He and Rachel Weisz were in The Lovely Bones together, and they didn't get along because she thought he was a big piece of shit.
She married James Bond
closeupready
(29,503 posts)And is unrepentant, as far as I can tell.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I don't in any way condone what Wahlberg did. We also don't know exactly what amends he made with the victims outside of the pubic record in his court case.
Anyone that gets their news from a site called Vulture, needs to check themselves.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Nothing evidences the claim that he DID.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)If the latter, you can start by all means.
JI7
(89,250 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The process should between the victim and the offender. Why do we need to know exactly what was said or done? Is it so we can just sit there and scream it still wasn't enough? Sounds like it to me.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)And when a crime like that is committed, it is an event which then involves civil authorities, because keeping society civil is what authorities are fundamentally supposed to do.
JI7
(89,250 posts)and doesn't feel guilty about what he did because he thinks he has become a better person or some shit like that.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Is there a public record of anything? Could something have been done privately?
From what I've heard the victim has been asked and refused to say.
Yes, you have a right to your opinion, but remember what they say about opinions and assholes....
JI7
(89,250 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The name Vulture doesn't really instill any confidence in it as a source.
catbyte
(34,390 posts)KinMd
(966 posts)MineralMan
(146,311 posts)He did the deeds, and they will follow him all his life. And so they should. This is a ridiculous request. If you do criminal acts as a younger man, don't expect to get a pass on them later. Screw that.
He was 16! Are we really that judgemental? Everyone posting in this thread did at least some stupid @%^T when they were kids. I hope he gets the pardon, just at I would wish for anyone who committed a crime when they were a kid but grew up to be a productive adult. People deserve second chances if they've proven they are worthy of them.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)But we're talking about multiple unprovoked, racially motivated attacks, one of which left the victim blind in one eye. And I don't see what, in particular, Wahlberg has done to deserve a pardon.
JI7
(89,250 posts)more violent offenses when he got older.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)I say pardon him for acts committed as a juvenile.
Now, as for the movie Ted.......I'm not ready to go that far into the forest of forgiveness just yet. To think of what else I could have done with those two hours. ...