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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:37 PM Apr 2012

Politicians are afraid to ask people to sacrifice



From the White House to the Senate to the Congress, all we hear is talk. They keep saying we have to do something about the unemployment and the huge deficits. But nobody has the courage to do it.

Nobody has the courage to say that we should repeal the entire Bush taxcuts. The middle class and those making under $250,000 shouldn't have to sacrifice, they say.

Secretaries shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than their wealthy employers, they say. Yet, no one says that we should raise the top tax rate to 50% until we get the deficits under control.

No one connects the tax rates to the unemployment rate, even though incentives could be built into the tax codes that would favor employing more people.

Nobody suggests that we tear down the war machine that has been built up for the last 15 years. Why shouldn't we return to the early Clinton, post-Cold War defense budgets?

If we are in such a dire condition as the politicians say, why are we afraid to ask people to sacrifice?

Why are we afraid to repeal the Bush taxcuts on average working people? Are we fearful of creating tensions between workers and employers for higher wages to compensate for the loss in income due to repeal of the Bush taxcuts?

I don't see any politician that is exempt from this cowardice.

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Politicians are afraid to ask people to sacrifice (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2012 OP
They sure are not afraid to insist that poor Autumn Apr 2012 #1
I was just thinking that...really? They are scared to ask? Rex Apr 2012 #2
They volunteered. kentuck Apr 2012 #5
They did not volunteer to fight an illegal war. Rex Apr 2012 #6
Different subject... kentuck Apr 2012 #7
True Rex Apr 2012 #8
Only the ones that don't vote. kentuck Apr 2012 #4
Because they don't ask and the media won't tell? n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #9
They can't even tackle the explosive growth in Medicare, which is the largest threat to solvency. dkf Apr 2012 #3
They're afraid to ask the 1% to sacrifice. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #10
True but... kentuck Apr 2012 #11
I think you're referring to the payroll tax cut MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #12
Bottom line... kentuck Apr 2012 #13
proposing Bowles-Simpson and supercommittees is hardly a sign of maintaining "present government" MisterP Apr 2012 #15
But the politicians do not have the courage to act on either... kentuck Apr 2012 #18
how's Bowles-Simpson courageous? MisterP Apr 2012 #20
+1 bazillion. yourout Apr 2012 #14
That is it right there. Rex Apr 2012 #16
Exactly-- hell, they're fine with sending your kid off to be burned alive in Marr Apr 2012 #21
Alli Belshit is on the tv box demonstrating with popcorn how much more richie rich pays than us. lonestarnot Apr 2012 #17
Sacrifice? Give me an altar, a knife, a shoggoth, and some bankers, and I'll sacrifice. To Cthulhu! saras Apr 2012 #19
The millionaire and billionaire class are the ones who need to make sacrifices. Initech Apr 2012 #22
One big problem is the almost total lack of knowledge of American history among voters. They don't libinnyandia Apr 2012 #23
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. I was just thinking that...really? They are scared to ask?
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
Apr 2012

Tell that to all the dead soldiers that came home from Iraq.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. They did not volunteer to fight an illegal war.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:51 PM
Apr 2012

Something that will never be pointed out and rewritten as...'Saddam was a threat...WMD blah blah'...in the GOP history books.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
4. Only the ones that don't vote.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
Apr 2012

Food stamp recipients, ie...

This is one area where I am critical of Barack Obama.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
3. They can't even tackle the explosive growth in Medicare, which is the largest threat to solvency.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
Apr 2012
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. They're afraid to ask the 1% to sacrifice.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:55 PM
Apr 2012

They're totally down with asking me for some of my future Social Security, to pay for tax cuts for the 1%.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
11. True but...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:58 PM
Apr 2012

...they have convinced enough people that they mean nothing to the SS fund - it will be paid back from the "general revenues". No need to worry...

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
12. I think you're referring to the payroll tax cut
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:02 PM
Apr 2012

Besides this, both parties want to slash benefits to future recipients.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
13. Bottom line...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:07 PM
Apr 2012

It is a battle over less government vs present government. Republicans are on a warpath to cut every facet of government and send it back to state or local authorities. And they are passionate about their cause. Many Democrats do not have the stomach for such a fight.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
15. proposing Bowles-Simpson and supercommittees is hardly a sign of maintaining "present government"
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:23 PM
Apr 2012

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
18. But the politicians do not have the courage to act on either...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:26 PM
Apr 2012

thereby keeping the status quo and sliding deeper and deeper into the hole. They prefer political rhetoric over action.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. That is it right there.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

I believe it is more the employees scared to ask their boss for a raise type thing.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
21. Exactly-- hell, they're fine with sending your kid off to be burned alive in
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:16 PM
Apr 2012

just about any foreign land that happens to be floating on oil-- or anything else that might be profitable for their employers. They're fine with helping big business send your job overseas, telling you to put up with unreasonable searches, spying, and they'll codify the theft of your retirement at the drop of a hat.

They don't even trouble to *ask* regular people to sacrifice-- they just take it. That 1%, however... that's a very different story.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
19. Sacrifice? Give me an altar, a knife, a shoggoth, and some bankers, and I'll sacrifice. To Cthulhu!
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:47 PM
Apr 2012

A reasonable sacrifice would be that the 1%, corporate or individual, sacrifice any income and possessions above, say, 100 times the wealth of the poorest Americans. Is that the one they're afraid to ask for?

Initech

(100,076 posts)
22. The millionaire and billionaire class are the ones who need to make sacrifices.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:34 PM
Apr 2012

Not us. Its time this shit stopped - when you can build a car elevator in your sixth house that has it's own lobbyist - you're the one who needs to make sacrifices.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
23. One big problem is the almost total lack of knowledge of American history among voters. They don't
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 09:08 PM
Apr 2012

have a clue about how high taxes were on the wealthy not that many decades ago. They don't know that the high taxes did not hurt the creation of jobs.

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