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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:21 AM Dec 2014

A rant about exorbitant e-book prices.........

Today I found, on amazon, a book selling for $49.95 kindle price......................
and
$8.91 hardback price
and
$42.66 paperback price......

I just bought it for 1 cent, hardbound, used ( S&H 3.99)
http://www.amazon.com/London-1849-Victorian-Murder-Story/dp/0582772907/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1418050852&sr=1-1

Is my memory correct in that when e-readers first came out, Amazon, and B&N, were hyping about how inexpensive books were be to read using the Nook or Kindle?
And yet, many prices for e-readers are higher than the actual paper book!!!!!!

Cannot figure out why.
Anyone have an idea????



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A rant about exorbitant e-book prices......... (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 OP
I have never seen a Kindle book costing that much Bettie Dec 2014 #1
The paper and printing of a book is... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #2
Your library likely has a selection of e-books IDemo Dec 2014 #3
It's listed as an e-textbook. Required reading in college classes? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #4
Wait a minute. you are ranting because something NEW costs more than something USED? CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #5
Yeah, you should definitely compare a USED e-book price to be fair tkmorris Dec 2014 #7
Used ebook price??.... You can't sell ebooks as you don't really own them.... n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #11
I own all 1915 of mine whatthehey Dec 2014 #14
If you can't give a thing to someone else... tkmorris Dec 2014 #16
What makes you think I can't give them to others? whatthehey Dec 2014 #18
I was being a bit flippant, but tkmorris Dec 2014 #22
Great minds, and all that.....I hear ya. n/t dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #26
That's the point I was trying to make, yes tkmorris Dec 2014 #15
Published in 2003. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #8
it probably has something to do with distribution methods el_bryanto Dec 2014 #6
Because the whiny publishers won their battle with Amazon and consumers lost. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #9
Some e-books are definitely overpriced. RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #10
I have seen history and religion titles shenmue Dec 2014 #12
Looked at all the authors books and they are all priced way high. dilby Dec 2014 #13
It has to do with the Big 5 Legacy publishers protecting their print titles and industry. kentauros Dec 2014 #17
Hey you.... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #19
Hay back! kentauros Dec 2014 #21
+1 Dr. Strange Dec 2014 #25
I've noticed that too, dixiegrrrrl. LuvNewcastle Dec 2014 #20
...and your rant is based on ONE book title? brooklynite Dec 2014 #23
No, not on one title, dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #27
Why? Because that's what happens when the 'doctrine of first sale' doesn't apply... n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #24
Have to confess I am not familiar with that doctrine.. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #28
That rule is what allows people to sell used physical books even though PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #30
Thank you. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #31
Academic presses and textbooks tend to have Cal Carpenter Dec 2014 #29
I'd guess the publisher didn't release an electronic edition bhikkhu Dec 2014 #32
Try buying indie (self-publidhed) e-books, instead DavidDvorkin Dec 2014 #33

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
1. I have never seen a Kindle book costing that much
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:28 AM
Dec 2014

Most of what I buy is a buck or so less than paperback price. New books tend to cost more, but overall, my spending is less per book, but I tend to buy a lot more since I don't have to go anywhere!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. The paper and printing of a book is...
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:32 AM
Dec 2014

actually a small part of its price.

Royalties, advances, promotion, and occasionally obscene profits make up the bulk of the price, and they don't go away when you take away the paper.

As far as the bluster over cheap e-books goes-- it was a sales pitch with some slight glimmer of truth to it and not to be taken seriously.

(And never, ever, under any circumstance believe anything Amazon says without some serious factchecking)

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
3. Your library likely has a selection of e-books
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:35 AM
Dec 2014

Maybe not most current titles, but quite a few to choose from.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
5. Wait a minute. you are ranting because something NEW costs more than something USED?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:51 AM
Dec 2014

Uhhhh, not really a great example.

On the other hand I looked at the price of Stephen King's new book and the ebook is 12.74 and the hardback is 17.26 but it claims a list price of 30.00.

And older one, Mr. Mercedes is 3.00 for the ebook and 18.00 for the new hardback.

ebooks do tend to be cheaper but as someone else pointed out some books, like textbooks will not be cheaper.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
7. Yeah, you should definitely compare a USED e-book price to be fair
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:54 AM
Dec 2014

"New" versus "Used" isn't really the pertinent issue here is it?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
14. I own all 1915 of mine
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:16 PM
Dec 2014

Backed up to PC with freeware e-reader and all. Add my cloud backup and no amount of theft, fire, or flood can eliminate my library.

Before somebody gleefully (and it's always gleefully) asks what I do in a power outage, I also have a solar/crank powered emergency radio with a USB power outlet. E-readers take so little power I wouldn't even get tired...



whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
18. What makes you think I can't give them to others?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:24 PM
Dec 2014

epub files aren't some special NSA black box technology. What kind of books do you like? PM me an email address and I'll send you a selection if you like. I can convert from epub (nook) to mobi (Amazon) or standard pdf if you prefer too - also on easy to use widely available freeware; I am in no way a hacker type.

http://calibre-ebook.com/

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
22. I was being a bit flippant, but
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:50 PM
Dec 2014

Giving away or selling e-books, or e-anything really, gets quite hairy from a legal perspective. I take your point though.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. it probably has something to do with distribution methods
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:52 AM
Dec 2014

Bookstores and comic book stores have noticed what happened to record shops in the wake of I-Tunes. My town used to support 6-7 record shops including 3 really good ones - now all the good ones are closed - the mall ones and bestbuy are still around. As e-books become cheaper and more convenient than physical books, they will start to cannibalize the sales that bookstores can make.

The problem, particularly for smaller distributors, and comic books, is that they run the risk of cutting the knees out from under the bricks and mortar shops before the digital distribution is really able to support them.

I mention comic books because that's where I've seen this issue, but have to imagine its an issue for regular books as well.

Bryant

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
9. Because the whiny publishers won their battle with Amazon and consumers lost.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:00 PM
Dec 2014

And before anyone piles on me about that statement, there's no argument against driving down e-book prices I haven't heard that makes me feel better for having to shell out more dough... so spare me.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
12. I have seen history and religion titles
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:06 PM
Dec 2014

go for $160. Someone said it's to force you to buy a physical copy instead. Kind of a weird reverse psychology.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
13. Looked at all the authors books and they are all priced way high.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:13 PM
Dec 2014

The author and publisher get to set their pricing so I don't think this is a problem with Amazon. Also it looks like the Author is a professor so I am willing to bet the books are required reading for some of his classes. I had a professor like that in college, was pissed that I was paying $200 for crappy books that he wrote for a class.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
17. It has to do with the Big 5 Legacy publishers protecting their print titles and industry.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

The print side of the publishing industry is slowly collapsing. But, because the big publishers don't like losing money on that end of their industry, they raise prices on the "easy money" of ebook publishing to prop up the print side.

Honestly, I cannot recommend J.A. Konrath's blog highly enough if you want a published-writer's insight into why the legacy industry is failing next to the growing self-publishing industry

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
21. Hay back!
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:39 PM
Dec 2014


There's a lot to explore there, so I hope you're a faster reader than I (I'm behind reading his blog by a few weeks, and he writes so much!)

Good information there, too, if you're thinking of writing and self-publishing

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
20. I've noticed that too, dixiegrrrrl.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:36 PM
Dec 2014

Even a lot of the mysteries I like are expensive -- $9 for many of them. That's outrageous for a digital mystery! I'm doing my free trial for Kindle Unlimited now, but I don't know if I'll get it or not. If all their digital books were for that price, it would be a good deal, but so many of the publishers have opted out that I don't know if I'll bother with it. I don't usually read just to be reading something, I read books that I have a particular reason for reading. Few of the books I want, other than classics, are included in the unlimited package.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
23. ...and your rant is based on ONE book title?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

I have no problem finding cost-efficient or even free e-titles.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. No, not on one title,
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:03 PM
Dec 2014

it is something that I have noticed for a few years now.
The title I referred to is just one example.

I browse a LOT of books, have been seeing the pattern.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
30. That rule is what allows people to sell used physical books even though
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:12 PM
Dec 2014

they aren't the copyright owner. As you experienced being able to sell used physical books
does keep the price lower for potential buyers.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. Thank you.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

Interestingly, Amazon clearly says in its policies that once you "buy" an e-book, you actually do not own it, they do.
They "store" it in their cloud and reserve the right to make it disappear at any time.
That blew my mind.
While that does not apply...yet....to physical books, I have every confidence major booksellers are trying to figure out a way to "own" it all.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
29. Academic presses and textbooks tend to have
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

high prices and small margins for the retailer along with a captive audience (eg students and academics) who will pay whatever it costs because they need it.

Even Amazon can't negotiate these things down whether it is an e-book or printed format. And because of the captive audience, Amazon doesn't have to discount them as a 'loss leader' for brand addiction or anything, like they do with mass market type books.

Used books are a great option for this kind of thing.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
32. I'd guess the publisher didn't release an electronic edition
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:38 PM
Dec 2014

and that "e-textbook" thing is a third-party version, with labor and low-volume bundled in. Possibly it was made that way for a college class. I haven't seen it before myself.

I usually go for the .01 cent used deals myself, and much prefer paper, though I'm very fond of my kindle as well.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
33. Try buying indie (self-publidhed) e-books, instead
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 03:42 PM
Dec 2014

The ones with the absurd prices are those put out by traditional publishers, not individuals.

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