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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:46 AM Dec 2014

GOP Squirms at Release of CIA Torture Report, Warns of ‘Violence’ (So Why Did They Torture?)

When Crowley asked him about the report, he replied that “foreign governments” had warned the US that its release would cause violence.

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Rogers goes on to compare the Senate report on CIA torture to the Danish caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in 2006, suggesting it holds similar potential for provoking violence. (Rogers is going to give Limbaugh a run for his money!) I think we may just dismiss this comparison as silly. The torture report will embarrass the US intelligence services, not insult Muslims’ sacred figures.


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He then says that the torture program was ceased while Bush was still president, and that Congress has taken action to stop torture. Then he says President Obama issued an executive order halting it.

But why did Obama have to stop something that wasn’t going on?

Again, this line of argument is what magicians call misdirection. That the torture at some point stopped does not relieve the government of accountability for it before the people. Laws were broken, despite what lying liars like John Yoo were happy to tell the Bush administration.


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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/gop_squirms_at_release_of_cia_torture_report_warns_of_violence_20141208

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GOP Squirms at Release of CIA Torture Report, Warns of ‘Violence’ (So Why Did They Torture?) (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2014 #1
These are war crimes that will be revealed Gman Dec 2014 #2
When you allow war criminals to walk free... 99Forever Dec 2014 #3
Those who were tortured, and their loved ones, already know. It's time to shed some light .... Scuba Dec 2014 #4
Don't torture if you are afraid of the backlash! postulater Dec 2014 #5
As long as Cheney, Kristol, etc and other sociopaths summerschild Dec 2014 #6
Indeed, let them die without cover Oilwellian Dec 2014 #7
There is no need to deny that there are costs to releasing the report. Vattel Dec 2014 #8
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #9
LIAR turbinetree Dec 2014 #10
Bushieboy and darthieboy, Condi, heaven05 Dec 2014 #11
cuz they thought they could get away with it. librechik Dec 2014 #12
Wanna watch them really squirm? kentuck Dec 2014 #13
Good idea!!! Vattel Dec 2014 #14
That won't work, the last guy that was dead serious about defunding the CIA Rex Dec 2014 #15
I expect that might happen ... staggerleem Dec 2014 #18
Should have been released before the elections malaise Dec 2014 #16
Torture IS violence! staggerleem Dec 2014 #17

Gman

(24,780 posts)
2. These are war crimes that will be revealed
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:55 AM
Dec 2014

And proper action should be taken to prosecute those responsible for the war crimes.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Those who were tortured, and their loved ones, already know. It's time to shed some light ....
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:07 AM
Dec 2014

... on these crimes and hold those responsible accountable.

To fail in this regard will only encourage future administrations to commit acts of torture.

Let the healing begin.

summerschild

(725 posts)
6. As long as Cheney, Kristol, etc and other sociopaths
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dec 2014

crawl on the face of the earth saying they were right to do as they did, we will have a fierce need to publish this. Long as they beat their chests they were right. Let them die without cover.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
7. Indeed, let them die without cover
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

When the torturers see not only themselves but their entire families publicly ostracized, it may give pause to future psychopaths who think such behavior is socially acceptable.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
8. There is no need to deny that there are costs to releasing the report.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:43 AM
Dec 2014

When photos of Abu Ghraib were released they were used as a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. Does that mean they shouldn't have been released? Of course not. One has to weigh the benefits of release against the costs. I wouldn't be surprised if the report's release has some negative consequences. Maybe it will even trigger some violence. I doubt anyone can say for sure what will happen. If government officials were more contrite and interested in accountability, there would be less danger of an angry response. But when we have the President saying stupid things like calling those responsible for torture patriots and such, it doesn't send the right message at home or abroad.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
10. LIAR
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

Mike Rogers is not only disingenuous, but is factually not TRUE and he sits on the committee and should be challenged and IMPEACHED, he knows as we all do what happened in some form or degree until this report is released.
But Crowley should have deferred his response and ask: Do you think the damaged caused by the war criminals called Bush and Cheney and crew based on lie, should they not be brought before the Hague and tried, because of the ramifications of the future battles that will inevitably occur?
The insult is that a administration within certain media groups and moderators with the HELP of the CIA, DIA and other agencies even did this, and if one of the soldiers working for this country get captured is unspeakable, the fault squarely lies on those that voted for this war's based on lies, there target was for those that did 9/11.
And the nature of the media of letting those responsible (Bush and Crew and other agencies) off the hook is outrageous on its face, because they also failed

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. Bushieboy and darthieboy, Condi,
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
Dec 2014

if this report is not seriously redacted, will finally be seen for what they were/are, WAR CRIMINALS deserving to be in the docket at the International Court of Justice in the Hague. 9/11 does not excuse this barbarity. I am still shaking my head at those two buildings collapsing and at how the war criminals used those collapses as a way to abridged MY rights, kill hundreds of thousands of totally innocent men, women and children and keep us involved in war that is still going on in Iraq 12 years later. I won't go into the other war, right now.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
12. cuz they thought they could get away with it.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

And they did. And they will.

Let me tell you the number of indictments that will come out of the release of the "Torture Paper"

ZERO

How many investigative committee meetings will Issa (or anyone else in our GOP Congress) hold about it?

ZERO

It's almost as if they planned it that way.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
13. Wanna watch them really squirm?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Dec 2014

Completely overhaul the entire CIA. Remove any and all people with any connection to the spying and theft of documents from our Congress.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
18. I expect that might happen ...
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

... a week or two after at least ONE of the banksters who crashed the economy ahead of the 2008 election gets sent to jail.

I hope you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for EITHER of those events to happen.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
17. Torture IS violence!
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:21 PM
Dec 2014

So what Mr. Rogers is "informing" us about is that violence breeds further violence. Well, thanks for clearing that up, Mikey!

Now, maybe you can tell us something that we didn't already know?

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