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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTPP is not about free trade. It's a corporate coup d'etat (Hightower)
A corporatocracy
Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's superb research and activist group, Global Trade Watch, correctly calls the Trans-Pacific Partnership "a corporate coup d'etat." Indeed, nations that join must conform their laws and rules to TPP's strictures, effectively supplanting US sovereignty and cancelling our people's right to be self-governing. Worse, it creates virtually permanent corporate rule over us--there's no expiration date on the agreement, and no provision in it can be altered unless all countries agree. Thus, even if Americans voted in an election to make changes, any other TPP country could overrule us by not agreeing.
Well, you might think, we'll still have our courts to redress corporate misuse of TPP's provisions. Uh... no........ One of the deal's chapters creates a monstrous monkey wrench called the "Investor-State Dispute Resolution" system. In this private, supra-legal "court," corporations are empowered to sue TPP governments over environmental, health, consumer, zoning, or any other public policies that the corporations claim are either undermining their TPP "rights" or diminishing--get this--their "expected future profits." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This elevates thousands of private, profit-seeking entities to the legal status of sovereign nations. Under the investor-state system, a smaller version of which was included in NAFTA and other free-trade schemes, the deck is stacked for corporate interests. Cases are decided behind closed doors by three-person international tribunals of private attorneys who often have a glaring corporate bias. The same lawyers who represent corporations in these cases routinely switch over in other cases to serve as "judges." Holy revolving door!
These "tribunalists" are not accountable to any electorate, and their decisions are final--there's no appeal to a real court. If a corporation wins a case, taxpayers of the government being sued lose, for they must pony up cash to compensate the corporation for its "loss" of profit. . . . . . . . . . . . . At present, even before the elephantine TPP is imposed on us, corporations are demanding a total of nearly $14 billion just in cases brought under free trade arrangements that include the US. Among the current corporate giants suing governments in investor-state tribunals are (1) Philip Morris (Altria), attacking Australia's and Uruguay's cigarette labeling policies; (2) Chevron, trying to avoid its liability for the gross toxic contamination of people and nature in the Ecuadorian Amazon; (3) Eli Lilly, demanding that Canada rewrite its patent law to give its drugs extended monopoly protection; and (4) several European investment firms, assaulting Egypt's minimum wage law. . . .
http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/node/3402
(more, including effects on drug pricing, extension of drug patents, restrictions on rights of governmental bodies to negotiate with drug giants to get lower consumer prices, fracking, and details of how the TPP rolls back financial reforms, forces governments to compensate corporations for "loss of profits" due to financial reforms/regulations, and secures a corporate takeover of the internet... at http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/node/3402 )
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,639 posts)K&R!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Like something that might have been schemed up in a smoke-filled back-room huddle between Ayn Rand, Ivan the Terrible, John Galt, Jay Gould, and Machiavelli.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I want to ask them, "Where is your loyalty to the ideals of the founding fathers?"
Like this guy..............I hope we shall
crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ~ Thomas Jefferson
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)dotymed
(5,610 posts)is the FDR of our age. He has PROVEN this for 30 years. He is a known quantity that we desperately need.
appalachiablue
(41,133 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)thanks for posting...
http://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/trade-policies/tpp-potential-trade-policy-problems/
http://www.ourworldisnotforsale.org/
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)This will mean that anyone in the world can frack in your back yard, flout waste disposal regulations, drive up the cost of drugs.
The Investor state replaces sovereign states. Pretty, eh?
Hillary cannot backpedal away from the TPP, so my guess - double or triple down on it. Ugh.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)joshdawg
(2,648 posts)Read this in the Hightower Lowdown.
Hotler
(11,424 posts)just wait. I have no hope. I see no future.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)nothing good will come of it.Why is it that the Clintons like to impoverish americans?Bill and Hillary have really screwed the american public time after time.What's sad is that they still have a blind following.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Kind of an odd result for a president who wanted "to impoverish americans".
"Blind opposition" is as bad as "blind following".
WillyT
(72,631 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)...I wonder what they think of this?
RationalMan
(96 posts)You see the UN is a global organization of countries, some democratic, some not so democratic and some downright dictatorial. But it is an organization of nation states whose charter is to provide a forum for resolving disputes between nations before they go to war and providing a process for limited, focused military action when needed to protect the innocent. As well a forum that can look globally at all aspects of existence from climate to health and beyond. But these are not corporations so they are immediately suspect.
Conservatives only believe in the power of private money. They don't acknowledge that private greed, if left unrestrained, will cause the collapse of everything. So from their perspective the TPP is perfect. It gives corporations all the power and leaves the people with nothing. They like it that way.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And right now they are told that communism is the threat, and that the TPP is all good, or not mentioned at all...
They will accept it and still believe that communism is the threat to freedom...and on the left we will be told that it is no big deal, it is just about job creation and we should support it because Obama wants it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)So, yeah, it's got some opposition on the right, I'd say.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Particularly since my preference is that the admin. would just walk away from it at this point.
The question was how conservatives feel about it, and I gave some examples.
pampango
(24,692 posts)apart any TPP that is submitted to them and remove any good provisions (perhaps on environmental or labor issues) in it and leave just the pro-corporate provisions and maybe insert some new ones for good measure. Obama could veto the resulting republican version of the TPP. Even assuming the veto was not overridden what would all that have accomplished?
They don't like Obama or trust him. Why would republicans want to give him an authority that would then prevent their own republican-dominated congress from picking apart whatever Obama were to submit?
Obama would be a fool to submit the TPP to a republican congress without 'fast track' and republicans have no reason to give it to him. People may or may not like Obama but he is not fool.
As you said, he would just walk away from it now.
The only polls I've found on fast track back up what you say about conservatives.
While opposition is relatively uniform both geographically and demographically, the survey data reveals a sharp partisan divide on the issue. Republicans overwhelmingly oppose giving fast-track authority to the president (8% in favor, 87% opposed), as do independents (20%-66%), while a narrow majority (52%) of Democrats are in favor (35% opposed).
http://fasttrackpoll.info/
Democratic groups are more united on this issue. Roughly 50% of Liberals, Socially Conservative Democrats and Partisan Poor favor fast track. New Democrats are more likely than any other typology group to endorse the idea 61% favor.
http://www.people-press.org/1999/11/11/section-6-issues/
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)This attitude of knee jerk opposition to anything and everything that a Republican says is not serving us well at all,
and doing a marvelous job of keeping us divided.
I did not hear Recursion saying anything except that the TTP is so bad both left and right have cause for concern.
arikara
(5,562 posts)n/t
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)of how malignant it really is, that it is earning revulsion across party lines.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)to fire up RW idiots!
TPP and Climate Change are the ticking time bombs that put our generation on the hot seat. It is up to us to save or lose everything. Hyperbolic, I think not, but you be the judge!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)To the Greatest Page.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Who never encountered a practice or company to vile to fail to profit from or to devote their lives to serving the endgame of.
Millions of people, living lives all in the name of higher quarterly profits, damn the consequences.
Those oppressed in their name? Those that come after them? The wilderness and wildlife choking out in their efforts? The destruction of democracy? Eh, fuck it they say. Money to them is always far greater solace than some quaint notion of living a life that truly tries makes the world a better place or that honors the sacrifices of their forefathers.
I know it may sound far too simple but in my experience the best way to stand against something is to first not stand with it.
Don't like racists? Don't fund them. Don't like conservative politicians? Don't fund them. Hate climate deniers? Don't fund them. It's not a far out concept. It is the basis of a liberal existence. You are what you do, everyday. It is not enough to vote Democratic, we must live Democratic. Our actions have consequences and from where I sit, the TPP is an end around for those who have knowingly and wittingly created the most damage to get out of owning it and that is far removed from Democracy.
Damn those who deny us our voice, dollar by dollar, every day of the year.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)think
(11,641 posts)http://thehill.com/policy/finance/223923-house-democrats-say-fast-track-tpp-have-no-chance-to-pass
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)the screen goes to the top of the page.
on edit: Fixed, apparently my script killer was causing the problem.
So, Big K&R!!!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)that this article was written in August 2013, over a year ago, and still all these issues that were addressed in it are not common knowledge.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)that our President, otherwise so intelligent and keenly insightful on so many issues, is so horribly wrong about this ticking time-bomb called TPP?
How is it POSSIBLE that he can't see its many inherent economic dangers and other slippery slopes? Why will he not take a chance on progressive economic solutions, rather than continuing, against the will of the majority in his own party, not to mention the majority of the country, to prop up the corporate oligarchy? Why be President only for the One-Percenters? Is he simply stubborn or does he really care so little about this country's future? It is as difficult for me to believe that he is ignorant as it is to believe that he is careless and reckless. But I can't imagine any other reason for his support of this nightmare legislation.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)powers that be to tell them he was there to save them.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Corporations run this country. People might elect leaders to office, but sadly those leaders answer and take commands from the Fortune 500. Some of them come from and go back into the 500 after office, but no matter what they are all getting paid a great amount of campaign money to support corporations over people. They have power and influence that no single average person has.
Can you imagine having your uncle be appointed to a major finance committee, because your aunt works for a certain company that has endless campaign dollars? There was a time in this country when conflict of interest was a major obstacle to corporations. And with the way instant information is now, it should be 100 times worse for them to not have any transparency.
Yet...who owns 90% of the major news outlets in this country? 6 mega conglomerates. 200 media executives control what 250 million Americans see. I would say they are more powerful than Congress, because they get to interact with people each day. Congress OTOH, likes to hide behind closed sessions.
It is the forever war between labor and capital and guess what? Capital has all the card now and owns all the players. It really does suck, but that is what we let the country become.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Here is a sampling of the kinds of cases that corporations brought to the NAFTA court.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/investor-state-chart.pdf
DemandsRedPill
(65 posts)Sure wish Vegas was taking bets on just what the average citizen will do when TPP is inevitably rubber stamped for their Royal Masters
Or even take a bet on whether or not we will hear so much as even a peep out of the loyal subjects before the fact
Odds favor no peeps and not even mild reactions after the fact
Of course they will all have much to say though
But of course we all know that "when all is said and done, more is said than done"
TPP here we come
navarth
(5,927 posts)(Paraphrasing) ".....There are no countries, Mr. Beale; there are only corporations."
(Insert picture of Ned Beatty here.)
Rex
(65,616 posts)The day Reagan started selling off whole part of America to Japan, was the day people realized it IS about the money and power. That pillow talk of representing the people? Bought outright by a mega conglomerate.
And nobody has to take my word for it, just ask ALEC or the SCOTUS.
PERHAPS the most important asshole, nobody has ever heard of...the damage he has done might be permanent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich
Initech
(100,076 posts)This is not good for any one. There is no Smedley Butler to protect us from this one.
Rex
(65,616 posts)any and all Smedley Butlers that were left.
Ike was the last one to tell it like it is. And of course he was no liberal or even a moderate, but a hardcore conservative. So what does that tell you when a 1950s hardcore conservative warns the nation not to let corporations build the MIC and they go and do it anyway and now owns the government that runs the MIC? It wasn't a long haired hippie warning the nation about the Man... it was a 5 star general that was to the FAR RIGHT on the political spectrum.
Did we listen? Hell no, industry got what it wanted. Labor has finally lost and capital has finally won. Game. Set. Match.
Jefferson would say we are living in a waking nightmare.
imthevicar
(811 posts)The POTUS you defend to your last breath will favor this trade deal, and sell us all out. This is the reason I dislike the President, his ability to snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory. not some Knee jerk (emphasis on Jerk) pseudo reason made up by RW radio!
fingrin
(120 posts)and all its bullshit corporate greed.
New Zealand enjoys some of the cheapest medicine prices in the world due to Pharmac a NZ Government department that negotiate drug prices. All that will end with TPPA.
Plain cigarette packages being debated? Gone, and if by some miracle the Government does decide to make it law, tobacco corporations will have the right to sue for damages and lost "Profits"
Our laws will be rewritten more in line with our corporate masters agenda.
Deep sea drilling on our pristine shores, well thats a given. Our PM is already pushing to open up native heritage lands for mining.
NZ says FUCK NO!
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)...when Medicare Part D was passed. That is what we should be doing..... and we should NOT be considering a TPP that extends that prohibition (of negiotiations for better terms from Big Pharma) to other nations in the TPP, from which time the prohibition would be locked in forever, as no participant nation could make a sovereign decision to do so without being sued in the "Investor-State Dispute Resolution" tribunal, since any change would require consent of 100% of participant nations.