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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:23 PM Dec 2014

China Boss stamping out BFEE style corruption.

President Xi Jinping is finding and prosecuting banksters and crooks who use government office to profit friends and family. Xi even busted the former Chinese internal security chief Zhou Yongkang, sort of a cross between J Edgar Hoover and Zapata Petroleum.



Xi cages big tiger in anti-corruption drive

Few will shed tears over the arrest of former Chinese security chief Zhou Yongkang

Carrie Gracie
BBC, Dec. 6, 2014

EXCERPT...

All China's recent leaders have agreed that curing corruption is life and death for the party, but Xi Jinping's campaign is the most significant effort to tackle it.

Sixty-five years ago, many Chinese welcomed the Communist Party because they saw it as less corrupt and more committed to social justice than the Nationalist government that went before. Now China is one of the most unequal societies in the world and the party is widely reviled as a machine for the self-enrichment of those who control it.

SNIP...

He has promised zero tolerance of corruption among party officials, warning that he is going after "both the tigers and the flies", villains from the top to the bottom of the system. Arresting Zhou Yongkang is caging the biggest tiger.

SNIP...

And despite another of President Xi's favourite themes, the rule of law, other rules clearly take precedence over judicial process. Neither Zhou Yongkang nor any of those associated with him have been seen in the past year. They simply disappeared. So it is with hundreds of others. The anti-corruption campaign is being run by the party's internal investigation unit. It is warning of a wave of new arrests to come.

Some doubt whether this approach can work in the long run. The Berlin-based group Transparency International, which compiles a global corruption ranking, notes that perceptions of corruption have worsened this year despite the high profile eradication campaign. It says China needs permanent and systematic changes including better whistle-blower protection and freedom of the press.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30358060

Sure wish we had some kind of anti-corruption campaign going on here in the USA.

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China Boss stamping out BFEE style corruption. (Original Post) Octafish Dec 2014 OP
You can also drink bleach to kill a stomach virus. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #1
How profound. Octafish Dec 2014 #2
I'm always amazed how patiently you reply to the snark. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #3
Octafish is way too decent malaise Dec 2014 #4
Decent, yes malokvale77 Dec 2014 #6
Yes I love me some Octafish - try hard never to miss a thread malaise Dec 2014 #9
A Teacheable Moment Octafish Dec 2014 #5
A teachable moment? Yes. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #8
He knows who he is dealing with. Rex Dec 2014 #12
Your distraction from news about corporate crime was an amazing failure. nt Rex Dec 2014 #11
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Dec 2014 #7
The Bush family: Middle Kingdom rainmakers Octafish Dec 2014 #10
It is sad watching a communist country do what a capitalist country won't do. Rex Dec 2014 #13
Can you imagine what they would do to the Banksters? Octafish Dec 2014 #14
They would do the same thing to banksters imo. Rex Dec 2014 #15
Once again, Octafish admires PRC-style purges NuclearDem Dec 2014 #16
Did you miss the point on purpose or accidentally, NuclearDem? Octafish Dec 2014 #17
No, China's leadership purges the politically-inconvenient NuclearDem Dec 2014 #18
Octafish: swallows Chinese propaganda whole, but will link back to the Magna Carta Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #20
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is corruption incarnate NuclearDem Dec 2014 #21
When Goldman Writes The New York Fed’s Press Releases, Then All Is Lost Octafish Dec 2014 #22
"Errant farts?" Are we projecting again... villager Dec 2014 #27
So all you got is misrepresenting my post and writings? Octafish Dec 2014 #24
No, what I see is you buying the CPC's story hook, line and sinker. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #25
Nice smear. Here's where the NRC showed fascist leadership: Octafish Dec 2014 #28
Alright, so just so I'm clear: NuclearDem Dec 2014 #29
Still missing the point, which is BFEE Corruption Octafish Dec 2014 #30
Obscure it all you like (I know you love to) NuclearDem Dec 2014 #32
Show where I lauded anyone. Octafish Dec 2014 #35
Oh, give me a break. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #36
A desire for Justice in the United is different than "lauding" the Chinese. Octafish Dec 2014 #40
That you actually believe the story out of China is about corruption NuclearDem Dec 2014 #43
Mis-attribution is a form of black propaganda. Octafish Dec 2014 #46
I can't believe greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #38
You don't think Bush and Cheney should be in jail? Octafish Dec 2014 #41
Octafish greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #45
So, that's 'No, Bush and Cheney don't belong in jail.' Octafish Dec 2014 #47
Real anticorruption? Or eliminating rivals under cover of an "anticorruption campaign"? JHB Dec 2014 #19
Like BFEE, there's a complication regarding the 'We the People' thing. Octafish Dec 2014 #23
I doubt we'll ever know. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #26
Yeah. Like the time America's press swore Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9-11. Octafish Dec 2014 #31
What exactly does that have to do with China's lack of a free press? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #33
The reason so many people don't know much is due to America's press. Octafish Dec 2014 #34
And again, what does that have to do with China's lack of a free press? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #37
Call it whatever you want. America's press is controlled, as well. Octafish Dec 2014 #39
So you're just not going to answer the question. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #42
Don't get mad. What question? Where you say I lauded the PRC? Or where you say I laud their press? Octafish Dec 2014 #44

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. How profound.
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:38 PM
Dec 2014
Zhou Yongkang: From apex of power to caged 'tiger' in China

By Steven Jiang, CNN
updated 12:42 AM EST, Sat December 6, 2014

Beijing (CNN) -- At the height of his power, Zhou Yongkang controlled police forces, spy agencies, court systems and prosecution offices across China -- and the domestic security czar wasn't shy in deploying his vast assets to crush dissent and unrest in the name of "preserving social stability."

During his reign before retiring in 2012, as worsening income inequality and official corruption fueled mass discontent nationwide, Zhou oversaw the domestic security budget swell to surpass that of the two million-strong Chinese military -- the world's largest.
As a member of the ruling Communist Party's Politburo Standing Committee -- China's top decision-making body -- Zhou was one of nine men who effectively ruled the country of more than 1.3 billion people.

Away from the spotlight, though, Zhou and his family members were reportedly taking advantage of his leadership position to accumulate enormous wealth. The allegedly blatant exchange between money and power, as revealed by China's state media, would eventually prompt Zhou's shocking downfall last summer.

SNIP...

Party investigators found the 71-year-old former leader received huge bribes, abused his power to benefit family and friends, and leaked state secrets, according to Xinhua. He was also accused of having affairs with multiple women, and trading power and money for sex.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/world/asia/china-zhou-yongkang/



Zhou made a lot in the petroleum and mineral extraction industries, jess' like Prescott 'n' Poppy 'n' Smirko. Heh heh heh.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. A Teacheable Moment
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:29 PM
Dec 2014

Otherwise, the subject no longer is the anti-corruption drive in China and its ramifications on this side of the Pacific.

Ever wonder what happened to our standard of living? You, know, the Middle Class?

Well, it's been off-shored -- both in terms of money to Switzerland and manufacturing jobs to China.

Of course, I mean, don't worry! -- at a profit.



Guess who made a killing? If you said, "The ruling elite" you'd be correct.

What may be surprising to some is how the "ruling elite" crosses political, ideological, and philosophical lines when it comes to money. Case in point: China.

Currently, the people of China are largely unaware at how their ruling Communist elite got rich while the people slaved their asses off.

Here in the good old U.S. of A., the people are largely unaware that their ruling Capitalist elite got rich setting the policies that offshored their money and jobs.

Live and learn, thanks to DU. Very much appreciate you grokking, malokvale77.


malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
8. A teachable moment? Yes.
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:46 PM
Dec 2014

I question if they will ever learn.

I appreciate your efforts. I hope you never quit.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. The Bush family: Middle Kingdom rainmakers
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:42 PM
Dec 2014

By Zach Coleman
Asia Times, July 4, 2004

HONG KONG - George Herbert Walker Bush arrived in Beijing 30 years ago as the official United States representative to China with one goal above all else: expanding his buddy list.

"My hyper-adrenaline, political instincts tell me that the fun of this job is going to be to try to make more contacts," he wrote in his first diary entry. "And it is my hope that I will be able to meet the next generation of China's leaders - whomever they may be. Yet everyone tells me that that is impossible."

Bush Sr, already a champion networker, wasn't to be denied. In a final triumph at the end of his stay, Deng Xiaoping, then vice premier, threw a farewell lunch for Bush Sr and his wife.

"You are our old friends," said Deng, according to a Chinese government website. "You are welcome to come back anytime in the future."

Bush Sr and his relatives have turned that open invitation into a family franchise over the years, setting themselves up as gatekeepers between lucrative business opportunities created by the opening up of China's economy and the US corporate and political establishment. If Iraq is the place where the Bush men fight once they leave the oil fields of Texas, China is where they have made money.

SNIP...

Prescott Bush Jr:

Prescott Bush only made his first visit to China after his brother Bush Sr had moved into the White House as vice president in 1981. He quickly became a regular, leaving behind his 33-year career in the insurance brokerage business in preference for Chinese deal making. A 30 percent stake in one early project, an $18 million golf club in Shanghai, gave Prescott the opportunity to strike up a friendship with then-mayor Jiang Zemin (who now heads the communist party's powerful standing committee of Central Military Commission).

Now 81, Prescott Bush still travels to China two to four times a year, according to the website of Plus Holdings, a Hong Kong-listed company focused on China, which hired Prescott as a special adviser three months after Bush Jr's inauguration. The website features Prescott's picture at the top of its home page. "He has many friends in China," the site says in its biography of the special Bush family adviser.

Prescott Bush Resources, his consulting company, has put together more than 30 joint ventures in China since 1978, according to the website of Global Access, a US consulting company active in China, which retains Prescott as chairman of its advisory board. "Mr [Prescott] Bush has also facilitated meetings and approvals at the highest levels of the Chinese government," the site adds in its biography.

"I don't get a lot of business because my nephew is president or my brother was president," Prescott insisted in an interview with USA Today in 2002, though he admitted, "You can meet a lot of people because of it."

Prescott capitalized explicitly on the family tie-in by forming the US-China Chamber of Commerce in 1993 after serving on its predecessor, the Hong Kong-US Business Council, during his brother's presidency.

"My brother, George, has been instrumental in the development of US and China relations since 1974," he wrote in his letter to prospective members. The chamber pitches itself as a networking hub, which "provides the business communities in both countries with direct access to leading business people and government officials who are important in their business development efforts".

CONTINUED...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FE21Ad01.html

PS: Thank you, JEB! Very much appreciate you grokking.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. It is sad watching a communist country do what a capitalist country won't do.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:49 PM
Dec 2014

Then again China does own quite a few republicans.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. Can you imagine what they would do to the Banksters?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 02:48 AM
Dec 2014

This is how they treat thieves.



Friends of the BFEE, these rotters on all three sides.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. They would do the same thing to banksters imo.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:02 AM
Dec 2014

Some people believe China became some capitalist haven after the British gave Hong Kong back to China. Of course that is because they were brainwashed early in life into thinking democracy and capitalism were one and the same.

If it was Russia, it would be Putin sending them off to Siberia.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
16. Once again, Octafish admires PRC-style purges
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 12:08 PM
Dec 2014

Such a beacon of justice and human rights, that China.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Did you miss the point on purpose or accidentally, NuclearDem?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:17 PM
Dec 2014

Either way, it doesn't matter. I'll spell it out for you:

China's leadership is clearing out the corrupt.

The United States of America should do the same, otherwise, the warmongers and banksters will continue to loot the Treasury and rob the nation's future.

Hope that is clear enough for you.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. No, China's leadership purges the politically-inconvenient
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

I would think such a staunch pro-democracy advocate as yourself would realize the PRC isn't a model to follow.

You know, the same government that, in my short lifetime, slaughtered its people for daring to ask for democratic reforms and engaged in one of the most aggressive censorship campaigns in the world.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
20. Octafish: swallows Chinese propaganda whole, but will link back to the Magna Carta
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:38 PM
Dec 2014

to lay blame for an errant "BFEE" fart.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
21. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is corruption incarnate
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

But the leaders of the Communist Party of China are brave anti-corruption warriors.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. When Goldman Writes The New York Fed’s Press Releases, Then All Is Lost
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:49 PM
Dec 2014

By Tyler Durden
Global Research, December 08, 2014
Zero Hedge 6 December 2014

Much has been said about Goldman’s control over the most important Federal Reserve of all, that of New York, where the all important Markets Group is located, which does as the name implies, “influences” markets (those who may have missed it are encouraged to read “Goldman “Whistleblower” Sues NY Fed For Wrongful Termination“, “How Goldman Controls The New York Fed: 47.5 Hours Of “The Secret Goldman Sachs Tapes” Explain“, “A Quick Look At Goldman’s Takeover Of The US Judicial System: NY Fed Edition“, and of course “I Am Putting Everything In Goldman Sachs Because These Guys Can Do Whatever The Hell They Want.”

And while it is very clear by now that nothing will change under the current corrupt and compromised executive, legislative and judicial system, because at the end of the day, Goldman has indirect control over all three branches of government , here is the one anecdote which, in a non banana republic, would be the straw that finally broke the camel’s back.

From the FT:

As the financial crisis raged in September 2008, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley sought sanctuary from the Federal Reserve.

The last two big independent broker-dealers were allowed to become bank holding companies, giving them access to government liquidity that could keep them afloat.

[font color="green"]Goldman drafted its own statement, quoting Lloyd Blankfein, chief executive, as saying: “We believe that Goldman Sachs, under Federal Reserve supervision, will be regarded as an even more secure institution.”

According to people familiar with the matter, Goldman then drafted another release and sent it to the New York Fed. This one was to be used as the central bank’s own statement.
[/font color]


And while the FT is kind enough to digest that piece of shocking information for the rest of the “stupid voters“, the bottom line is simple: the Federal Reserve of Goldman Sachs (in New York and everywhere else), is the bank that not only calls all the shots and makes the rules, but it also writes the words on the Fed’s teleprompter (as for Obama’s, not even Goldman would bother with that).

SOURCE: http://www.globalresearch.ca/when-goldman-writes-the-new-york-feds-press-releases-then-all-is-lost/5418695

What would Goldman think, Dreamer Tatum?
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
29. Alright, so just so I'm clear:
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:30 PM
Dec 2014

NRC: fascist.

CPC: wish we could deal with corruption they way they do.

Got it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. Still missing the point, which is BFEE Corruption
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:43 PM
Dec 2014

Here's where they fit in with the NRC:

Fukushima, Plutonium, CIA, and the BFEE: Deep Doo-Doo Four Ways to Doomsday

The story connects a few dots from the present day back to World War II.



War crime, Yakuza, Secret Government. Why not?



Japan’s Nuclear Industry: The CIA Link.

By Eleanor Warnock
June 1, 2012, 10:18 AM JST.
Wall Street Journal Blog

Tetsuo Arima, a researcher at Waseda University in Tokyo, told JRT he discovered in the U.S. National Archives a trove of declassified CIA files that showed how one man, Matsutaro Shoriki, was instrumental in jumpstarting Japan’s nascent nuclear industry.

Mr. Shoriki was many things: a Class A war criminal, the head of the Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan’s biggest-selling and most influential newspaper) and the founder of both the country’s first commercial broadcaster and the Tokyo Giants baseball team. Less well known, according to Mr. Arima, was that the media mogul worked with the CIA to promote nuclear power.

SNIP...

Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.

SNIP…

Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.

CONTINUED...

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/06/01/japans-nuclear-industry-the-cia-link/



After President Carter was out of office, it was pretty much full-steam ahead for the Japanese bomb during the Pruneface Ronnie-Poppy Bush years. Hence, Fukushima Daiichi Number 3 and other select Japanese reactors were set up to process plutonium uranium fuels.



United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium

By Joseph Trento
on April 9th, 2012
National Security News Service

The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.

The diversion of U.S. classified technology began during the Reagan administration after it allowed a $10 billion reactor sale to China. Japan protested that sensitive technology was being sold to a potential nuclear adversary. The Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations permitted sensitive technology and nuclear materials to be transferred to Japan despite laws and treaties preventing such transfers. Highly sensitive technology on plutonium separation from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Savannah River Site and Hanford nuclear weapons complex, as well as tens of billions of dollars worth of breeder reactor research was turned over to Japan with almost no safeguards against proliferation. Japanese scientist and technicians were given access to both Hanford and Savannah River as part of the transfer process.

SNIP...

A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.

How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a dual use nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dcbureau.org/201204097128/national-security-news-service/united-states-circumvented-laws-to-help-japan-accumulate-tons-of-plutonium.html



Those of who have seen The World at War series on the tee vee are familiar with the black and white footage and great narrative chronicling the main events and figures of World War II. One of those episodes was entitled "The Bomb" and featured an interview with John J. McCloy, Assistant Secretary of War to President Roosevelt and President Truman.



Here's part of what Mr. McCloy said about the Atomic Bomb – the use of which he counseled only as a last resort, after warning Japan to surrender (around 7:30 mark of Part 2):

“Besides that, we’ve got a new force, a new type of energy that will revolutionize warfare, destructive beyond any contemplation. I’d said, I’d mention the bomb. Mentioning the bomb, even at that late date, in that select group, was like, it was like they were all shocked. Because it was such a closely guarded secret. It was comparable to mentioning Skull and Bones at Yale – which you’re not supposed to do.”

After the war, McCloy was the United States High Commissioner to Germany, administering the U.S. zone of occupation, making him one of the front-line leaders of the Cold War. In that capacity, one of the questionable things he did was to forgive several NAZI industrialists and war criminals.

The great cartoonist Herb Block, HERBLOCK, depicted McCloy holding open a prison door for a NAZI, while in the background Stalin took a photo (if anyone has a copy or link to the cartoon, I’d be much obliged). About 15 years later, Mr. McCloy served the nation as a member of the Warren Commission.

While he wasn’t a member of Skull and Bones, McCloy certainly worked closely with a bunch of them, including Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush. As a Wall Street and Washington insider, "Mr. Establishment" he was called, Mr. McCloy used the offices of government to centralize power and wealth. That is most un-democratic.

Mother Jones goes into detail:



The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs

How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block.

— By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public Integrity
Mother Jones
Wed Jun. 6, 2012 3:00 AM PDT

Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report.

The Center for International Policy, a nonprofit group that supports the "demilitarization" of US foreign policy, released the report on Wednesday to highlight what it described as the heavy influence of campaign donations and pork-barrel politics on a part of the defense budget not usually associated with large profits or contractor power: nuclear arms.

As Congress deliberated this spring on nuclear weapons-related projects, including funding for the development of more modern submarines and bombers, the top 14 contractors gave nearly $3 million to the 2012 reelection campaigns of lawmakers whose support they needed for these and other projects, the report disclosed.

Half of that sum went to members of the four key committees or subcommittees that must approve all spending for nuclear arms—the House and Senate Armed Services Committees and the Energy and Water or Defense appropriations subcommittees, according to data the Center compiled from the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics. The rest went to lawmakers who are active on nuclear weapons issues because they have related factories or laboratories in their states or districts.

Members of the House Armed Services Committee this year have sought to erect legislative roadblocks to further reductions in nuclear arms, and also demanded more spending for related facilities than the Obama administration sought, including $100 million in unrequested funds for a new plant that will make plutonium cores for nuclear warheads, and $374 million for a new ballistic missile-firing submarine. The House has approved those requests, but the Senate has not held a similar vote on the 2013 defense bill.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nuclear-bombs-congress-elections-campaign-donations



If you can see the big picture, NuclearDem, you realize that it isn't ironic or coincidental. It is the Establishment, the in-group, the Elite, the One-Percent that’s pretty much gotten the lion’s share of the wealth created over the last 50 years. The same group that’s pretty much had their fingers on the atomic button ever since the Bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as profited from the development of nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and the almost continuous state of war since then.

For lack of a better term, I call them the BFEE, or War Party.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
32. Obscure it all you like (I know you love to)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:17 PM
Dec 2014

but the fact is you lauded one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet for its most token of anti-corruption press stunts.

Something you've done more than once, in fact.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
36. Oh, give me a break.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:51 PM
Dec 2014
Sure wish we had some kind of anti-corruption campaign going on here in the USA.


So unless you were saying you wished the USA had a terrible, ineffective anti-corruption campaign, you were lauding the CPC for their pathetic press stunt.

Good God, man, I'm not a fucking idiot.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. A desire for Justice in the United is different than "lauding" the Chinese.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:11 PM
Dec 2014

What I wrote: "Sure wish we had some kind of anti-corruption campaign going on here in the USA."

I'm glad you see, now, I didn't laud the Chinese.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
43. That you actually believe the story out of China is about corruption
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:48 PM
Dec 2014

is you buying into the CPC's bullshit. The entire point of this was the CPC covering its ass in front of the international community and simultaneously giving them an opportunity to purge some inconvenient members.

You've done this dance before, and it's no less transparent this time. If you truly believe the story out of China is about justice, then you are so hopelessly naive and clueless that you shouldn't be taken seriously as a journalist.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. Mis-attribution is a form of black propaganda.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:07 AM
Dec 2014

President arrested Chief of Internal Security. Prosecuting Bush and those who lied America into war would go a long way toward restoring justice in USA. That's what I got out of it, anyway.


greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
38. I can't believe
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:56 PM
Dec 2014

How naive you are if you think this true. Stunning naivete.

And of course, the BFEE. Just unbelievable people here think
you are some kind of oracle.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. You don't think Bush and Cheney should be in jail?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:23 PM
Dec 2014

No wonder when I mention the BFEE, you write a reply.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023544093#post16

Bunch more examples of your replies, but I have no interest in showing you what you already know.

As for me being some kind of oracle, feel free to show me where I'm wrong. As a human being, I can take it. In fact, I'm happy to admit it.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
45. Octafish
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:28 PM
Dec 2014

Other than the Kennedy assassination, every ill this great
nation has had happen to it is the fault of the BFEE. Oh wait!
That was the BFEE too!!

I'm surprised you haven't blamed the BFEE for inventing
a time machine and causing the dino
extinction by diverting an asteroid in order to create oil for the future BFEE to sell!!
Or have you??

And no, the former President and VP should not be it jail. That is just
another part of your paranoia that centers on the so called BFEE.
Politics is a dirty business, people get hurt all the time and it doesn't
matter who is President as a lot of people here are starting to realize.

And in this thread you also want people to believe that the ChiCom
government is AOK and looking out for the little guy??? Really???

Don't get me wrong, I love your threads. I love the endless reposting of
the same articles and using your own past threads as "proof" to make
other points. Your hate of Bush & Cheney is known. I don't hate them, I
don't hate Obama, I don't hate the Clintons.

But I don't have to accept your posts as proof of every, IMHO, nutty
thing you decide to blame on the all powerful BFEE. You've gone
to that well too often but I know you won't listen and will no doubt
blame the BFEE for mind control or something else like that.

Bush was far from perfect as are most presidents. But you don't have
to let it consume you as you and others have.

Now go and find something new to blame on the BFEE. You go guy!!!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. So, that's 'No, Bush and Cheney don't belong in jail.'
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:48 PM
Dec 2014

Got it, which is easy to do without links and you as the source.

Regarding the BFEE: Yes, I do re-post information. So what? The facts don't change. The truth doesn't change. The history doesn't change. That's also why I source what I post, naming names, dates, authors, sources, articles, books, references and anything else that tells the truth about the traitors, warmongers and banksters of the War Party, what Bartcop first termed the Bush Family Evil Empire. I borrowed the phrase and use it to point out the Bush family and their cronies' connections to the historic gangster state to the corruptions of power, from the time when trying to overthrow FDR in the name of patriotism through the Dulles Brothers national service for Empire to the present day when their followers make war, loot the Treasury, and undermine the Constitution in the name of national security and private property.

Their trail as warmonger-banksters goes back at least to war profiteering during World War I, when Samuel Prescott Bush ran Remington selling rifles to both sides. Before that, there's evidence their ancestors were slave holders.

I've talked about his son, Prescott Sheldon Bush; grandson, George Herbert Walker Bush; and great-grandsons, George Walker Bush, John Ellis (Jeb) Bush, and Neil Mallon Bush.

Feel free to show where I'm wrong. If I'm wrong state why. Don't smear me, though.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
19. Real anticorruption? Or eliminating rivals under cover of an "anticorruption campaign"?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:36 PM
Dec 2014

Anyone know how clean Xi's own hands (and accounts) are?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Like BFEE, there's a complication regarding the 'We the People' thing.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 01:55 PM
Dec 2014
CY Leung: 'Democracy would see poorer people dominate Hong Kong vote'

Agence France-Presse, October 21, 2014

Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying told media that if the government met pro-democracy protesters’ demands it would result in the city’s poorer people dominating elections.

In an interview with foreign media, carried in the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times and the International New York Times, the embattled chief executive reiterated his position that free elections were impossible.

Demonstrators have paralysed parts of Hong Kong with mass rallies and road blockades for more than three weeks, in one of the biggest challenges to Beijing’s authority since the Tiananmen pro-democracy protests of 1989.

Leung’s comments were published just hours before talks between senior government officials and student leaders to end the impasse are scheduled to take place later on Tuesday.

China has offered Hongkongers the chance to vote for their next leader in 2017. But only those vetted by a committee expected to be loyal to Beijing will be allowed to stand - something protesters have labelled as “fake democracy”.

Leung said that if candidates were nominated by the public then the largest sector of society would likely dominate the electoral process.

“If it’s entirely a numbers game and numeric representation, then obviously you’d be talking to the half of the people in Hong Kong who earn less than US$1,800 a month (HK$13,964.2),” Leung said in comments published by the WSJ, the FT and the INYT.

The chief executive said, however, that the government was willing to listen to student representatives in a first dialogue meeting set for Tuesday evening. “We’d like to listen to the students as to what they have on their minds, and what their proposals are,” Leung said. “We are all ears.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1621103/cy-leung-democracy-would-see-poor-people-dominate-hong-kong-vote?page=all

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. Yeah. Like the time America's press swore Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9-11.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:48 PM
Dec 2014

That was a real shocker, considering how many people died and it wasn't even true.



How False Narrative Works

by Sam, Nat and Robert Parry
consortiumnews.com

Excerpt:

When released on May 25, 1999 - shortly after the Clinton impeachment battle had ended - the Cox report was greeted by conservative groups and the national news media as another indictment of the Clinton administration.

By then, the Washington press corps had long been addicted to "Clinton scandals" and viewed almost any allegation through that prism, regardless of the details.

The Cox report gave weight in the public's mind to the suspicion that there was something far more sinister behind earlier allegations that a Chinese government front had funneled $30,000 in illegal "soft money" donations to the Democrats in 1996.

[font color="red"]Cox pulled off his sleight of hand with barely anyone spotting the trick card up his sleeve. The key ruse was to leave out dates of alleged Chinese spying in the 1980s and thus obscure the fact that the floodgates of U.S. nuclear secrets to China - including how to build the miniaturized W-88 nuclear warhead - had opened wide during the Reagan-Bush era.[/font color]

While leaving out those Republican time elements, Cox shoved references to the alleged lapses into the presidencies of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.



"We know they're going to lie - the trick is fighting back,
but that trick was never learned by Gore or Kerry." -- Bartcop

SOURCE Bartcop: http://www.bartcop.com/2072.htm

As for China's press, even Rupert Murdoch knew when to call it quits.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. What exactly does that have to do with China's lack of a free press?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:18 PM
Dec 2014

All I see is a healthy serving of tu quoque bullshit.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
37. And again, what does that have to do with China's lack of a free press?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:52 PM
Dec 2014

Otherwise, I call more tu quoque bullshit.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. Call it whatever you want. America's press is controlled, as well.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:02 PM
Dec 2014

Just one example:



Correspondence and collusion between the New York Times and the CIA

Mark Mazzetti's emails with the CIA expose the degradation of journalism that has lost the imperative to be a check to power

Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 29 August 2012 14.58 EDT

EXCERPT...

But what is news in this disclosure are the newly released emails between Mark Mazzetti, the New York Times's national security and intelligence reporter, and CIA spokeswoman Marie Harf. The CIA had evidently heard that Maureen Dowd was planning to write a column on the CIA's role in pumping the film-makers with information about the Bin Laden raid in order to boost Obama's re-election chances, and was apparently worried about how Dowd's column would reflect on them. On 5 August 2011 (a Friday night), Harf wrote an email to Mazzetti with the subject line: "Any word??", suggesting, obviously, that she and Mazzetti had already discussed Dowd's impending column and she was expecting an update from the NYT reporter.

SNIP...

Even more amazing is the reaction of the newspaper's managing editor, Dean Baquet, to these revelations, as reported by Politico's Dylan Byers:

"New York Times Managing Editor Dean Baquet called POLITICO to explain the situation, but provided little clarity, saying he could not go into detail on the issue because it was an intelligence matter.

CONTINUED with LINKS...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/29/correspondence-collusion-new-york-times-cia



CIA interference in America's news media used to be considered "against the law." The story also is most illustrative of what passes for America's "free press." While I didn't see this mentioned on tee vee, I believe it is important for everyone to know, even you.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
42. So you're just not going to answer the question.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:43 PM
Dec 2014

Just a string of irrelevant bullshit, as per the usual.

Terrific.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. Don't get mad. What question? Where you say I lauded the PRC? Or where you say I laud their press?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:54 PM
Dec 2014

I think it should be clear to you that I do not laud the Chinese communist government, nor their press, nor their corruption. It also should be clear to you that I do not laud the United States government, nor the national press, nor their corruption.

As for China and its press, they've done all they can to spin the story and bury what they don't like. That's why I posted about the Chinese leadership's connection to this nation's leadership -- in particular the Bush Family -- way back when on DU. Glad I didn't have to explain everything to you back then, as you'd still be acting like I have some sort of obligation to explain everything to you.

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