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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does Bill Clinton embrace the Bush family?
Did any of them defend him when the Republican Party was impeaching him?
What are his motives??
blm
(113,063 posts)he wanted?
spanone
(135,841 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I've never seen either one. They are both telling, aren't they?
We see Clinton's steady rise to the top. Once you're at "the top", you decide what you can do about it. If you're in a wheel chair like George Wallace, you see how to become someone's charm bracelet so that a win in the south as Reagan's running mate is possible. Before that, Clinton HAD to have been awe struck to shake Kennedy's hand, but having seen the result of not playing the game, Clinton probably remembered what he had to do to be safe.
Is it any wonder this club is like it is, and like you and Carlin said, "and, we ain't IN it".
He isn't any more free to split from it now than he was when he committed to it then.
elleng
(130,956 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Like President Obama and Secretary Kerry.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)OooooooohWeeeeeOhhhhhh.....
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Clinton is now a Made Man.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For those interested in how the New World got Ordered:
The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
by Stephen Kinzer
A joint biography of John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, who led the United States into an unseen war that decisively shaped todays world
During the 1950s, when the Cold War was at its peak, two immensely powerful brothers led the United States into a series of foreign adventures whose effects are still shaking the world.
John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the background of American culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?
The Brothers explores hidden forces that shape the national psyche, from religious piety to Western moviesmany of which are about a noble gunman who cleans up a lawless town by killing bad guys. This is how the Dulles brothers saw themselves, and how many Americans still see their countrys role in the world.
Propelled by a quintessentially American set of fears and delusions, the Dulles brothers launched violent campaigns against foreign leaders they saw as threats to the United States. These campaigns helped push countries from Guatemala to the Congo into long spirals of violence, led the United States into the Vietnam War, and laid the foundation for decades of hostility between the United States and countries from Cuba to Iran.
The story of the Dulles brothers is the story of America. It illuminates and helps explain the modern history of the United States and the world.
A Kirkus Reviews Best Nonfiction Book of 2013
http://www.amazon.com/The-Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Secret/dp/0805094970
There was a short spell when things were different.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)thanks.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)You think any of this crap they do is for reals? It's not, they are a very small exclusive club.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Seems pretty self-evident to me.
"It's a big fucking club and you ain't invited."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)in Time Magazine:
"The people of Oklahoma are lucky to have someone like Tom representing them in Washington someone who speaks his mind, sticks to his principles and is committed to the people he was elected to serve.
After I took office, Tom received dozens of letters from Oklahomans complaining that we looked too close on TV. Toms response was How better to influence somebody than to love them? Each of us still hopes the other will see the light. But in the meantime, well settle for being friends."
By Barack Obama April 18, 2013
"You know, Josh Burkeen is our rep down here in the southeast area. He lives in Colgate and travels out of Atoka. He was telling me lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom. Now think about it. Think about that issue. How is it that that's happened to us?"
Tom Coburn, 8/31/04
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)For some reason, there's a good-sized segment of American liberals, especially politicians, who absolutely crave respectability. The trouble is that they define respectability as approval from very wealthy and very conservative people. So, you get Bill Clinton pushing welfare "reform" (the word reform in American politics means make worse) and Barack Obama pushing Social Security cuts and Potemkin financial reform (there's that word again!). Maybe it's the fact they're new men, kind of like Cicero, so they don't feel comfortable creating their own space. I don't really know. I just know that I've seen a long list of Democratic politicians whose highest goal in life seems to be finally be accepted by highest levels of the right.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)And Bush Sr. would have liked to have had a son like Bill.
Segami
(14,923 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Since, he has said, on tape, that he has always been against the Iraq war.
Lots of nerve, gall, and no shame.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Former presidents become friends.