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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI partly blame 30 years of Hate Radio and TV for Killer and Abusive Cops
When Rush Limbaugh came on the air in my city, I couldn't believe the hate.
It just got worse when local hosts were added,, they often were worse than the National names.
This was on our PUBLIC AIRWAVES.. and we couldn't seem to stop it.
There were campaigns, protests outside of the station, boycott of products that sponsor these shows.
I was a young adult and I couldn't believe the hate against women.. didn't the listeners and supporters all have mothers, sisters, daughters? is that how they wanted others to view their loved one?. Feminazis Sluts, Whores.. etc.
Then hate speech against people of color, of young people, of old people, of homeless people, peace activists, government workers, union members.. the list goes on. Unbelievable hate. Often advocating violence against any or all these groups.
and then Fox News came on air and now they showed video of who to hate and why. Show them stereotypes.
So these killer cops don't surprise. What is even worse is there is I haven't see is how these shows have contributed to the hate and brutality in our society.
If you see an article of these and if anyone is trying to take down the hate radio stations.. please post.
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FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)If they had to air left-wing ideas for the same number of hours every day, they would simply have given up on this and played music instead.
That's why the Fairness Doctrine had to go.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The Fairness Doctrine was an impediment to the goal of Fascism.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)fucking ronnie raygun.......fuckingoddamn PUKES.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Reagan's FCC repealed it, and Democrats in congress didn't have enough votes to overcome a veto.
That is the most significant thing Reagan probably did, over everything else, including the tax cuts for the rich, that has ended up nearly destroying us.
I've been told by lawyers that since FOX is cable, it would not apply. But it certainly would on terrestrial and satellite radios, the 98% penetration of conservative talk, only 2 percent liberal on radio.
It certainly makes a difference in all the other networks, who basically mimic FOX's ideas, often even playing them before commenting on them, serving as an echo chamber. It plays a role in all of the other over-air stations, that now put on mostly conservatives, and a milquetoast "progressive" for everyone to hear on weekends. It makes a difference on the news.
It even makes a difference in what we hear about. Had we a fairness doctrine, FOX, on Cable, would never have been able to have a viable presence, because the rest of the media would have a certain number of people just calling them total nuts, outside of reality, with policies that won't work. Instead, these days, they'll play the clips, and leave them alone, and avoid any other sensitive areas, like higher taxes for the rich, the massive influence of the MIC, and how wages and benefits have been lowered and debt increased due to trade agreements deliberately negotiated to be unfair to the American working population.
Initech
(100,079 posts)
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)It did require that contrasting viewpoints be presented.
Heather Kube
(19 posts)and it died.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I'm not referring to the programming. The financing involved illegal loans and the management had no idea what they were doing.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)that mainstream popular culture is more violent and vindictive these days.
I don't see violence in popular culture as a problem per se (I like all sorts of movies), but it could be a problem if violence becomes the predominant form of storytelling and emotional catharsis.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Which are both hallmarks of your average Hollywood action flick.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)The cattle drivers, of the rabble, are the media--all of it, not just the news. Opinions are shaped, and formed through the media, including the perception of danger, and the need for a gun, the promotion of fear. Giddy up pokies.
Partly this is due to the reducing of education, the nearly demonizing of smart people, and knowledge in general, by this same media, and the cutting of their budgets by governments, installed in office by this same media, and the money behind it.
And there is the rest of the herd, the older cattle. I think it was Abby Hoffman who once said "You'll have to be willing to kill your parents in a revolution." I think I know what he meant, in that they are the first people to brainwash us, to expose us to brainwashing forces, to pass on things on which they have already been brainwashed, like "rags to riches," or "military lore."
Initech
(100,079 posts)That's when lunatic fringe conspiracy theory radio hosts like Alex Jones exist to repeat the big lie that our elected anti gun representatives are coming to take our guns away. And that whips the crazies into a needless frenzy to the point where guns can't be kept on store shelves. It's truly fucked up when you think about it. 
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)of fear created by an armed to the teeth nation is present. It is a national disease, this gun culture has gone too much too far.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)they were armed?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)more now than they used to.
Otoh, that's hard to know too, bec. today with the Internet I can know what the bigots and morons are saying. 30 years ago, I would run into individuals who thot like this.
But I think for sure if you back further than 30 years, and you come up with Father Coughlin who was a known anti-semite, reactionary dickhead of my father's time. I remember my parents talking about him. He was on the radio.
but today we have people like him in Congress.
that is the big difference.
my 2 1/2 cents
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)gives one a clue, that at least we've improved to some degree.
Were things moving in a better, more unobstructed way toward a better country in the 60's and 70's? Without a doubt.
Like the gay movement, at some point white racists will become a minority, no longer able to be tapped. The problems now are more of a distraction from the rich/poor problem most of us have--it isn't a problem for the "rich," at least not yet. But a lot of the inciting to rioting we're seeing, I believe, might be more contrived deliberately than we might want to believe. You see, rioting makes people who are a little racist, and let's face it, people are all different degrees of racist, more racist. So these riots, like those in the 1960s, will probably in the short term, flare up a bit more racism, gin up whatever levels exist in white people. Hopefully, over time though, they'll continue to fall, racism, the number of racists.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)for ex, the New York Times adopted the title: Ms.
which we take for granted today. But if you remember a lot of people got their shorts in a knot about that - I guess it was a signal of the end of Western civilization.
And yet if you look at another aspect of society- video gaming - you see the most virulent disgusting violent targeting of women
(as well as minorities).
but what be done? We can't legislate away racism, misogyny and the other hate-expressions.
We can't pass a law defining what a video game can contain.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I don't remember there ever being so much outright, open hate, anger, vitriol, whatever you want to call it, when I was a younger man.
And add to that, I was a sportsman when I was younger. When I was a kid and young adult I hunted and fished and loved it. We obeyed the regulations and plugged our shotguns or did whatever was required. There was nobody buying (or advertising in magazines, etc.) assault type rifles, high capacity clips, high capacity handguns, semi-auto handguns. Nobody was all that interested in that shit. Now, the gunnuts have taken over, and why exactly? Because they have been incited.
What is the point of your question? I think that you might be trying to provide cover. Si or no?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Civilian ownership of semi-auto handguns exploded in the 1950's after the war. Massive increases in handgun ownership.
Darb
(2,807 posts)and it was nothing like today's massive hoarding of high capacity assault type rifles and handguns with large capacity magazines, so stop pretending it was.
Don't play that petty, bullshit, NRA type nomenclature, vernacular game with me. Dealers often run out of ammunition these days for fuck's sake. The number of idiots owning massive firepower has sky-rocketed. Quit pretending.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The growth of assault rifles and large mags followed the advances in technology. Older handguns didn't hold more than 10 rounds. Even today, the most popular handgun, the 103 year-old M1911 only holds 7-8 rounds. But the newest and rapidly growing in popularity handguns, like Glocks, hold 15 or 16. It is of course possible for every manufacturer to only market the guns with 10 round mags, like was done from 94-04. That would be a reasonable act to pass.
As for ammunition runs, the fear of gun control didn't exist in the 1950's. It was only used against POC at that time. The runs on ammo today are very connected to the OP's point about the media whipping up fear.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)than even 10-20 years ago. Reagan dropped the Fairness Doctrine so we have 30 years of hate radio and TV- huge, prolific and nonexistent 35 years ago. My uncles, grandfathers, father, bros. and cousins are/were outdoorsy, some were in WWII, one grandfather was a very tough sheriff and pol. They had weapons for hunting and self defense, not arsenals to kill people. They also were also pretty educated, with a good sense of humor. Dad was a WWII 7th Army, awarded, 1st Lieut. Artillertist, and he wouldn't listen to fools like Rush or Hannity for a minute. Too smart, knew people and politics. Also was pretty liberal when I think of it.
Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)at least in my experience. Thirty years ago if a racist remark was made, it was chastised. Today, if a racist remark is made, people seem proud of it and others chime in with support.
certainot
(9,090 posts)no one gets in their face it must be okay. they've been doing that largely unchallenged and unnoticed by the left for 25 years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)in the 1960s, hearing the word "nigger" was entirely too common. I live in the South, but I'm sure it was used everywhere, and still is in the quiet sanctuaries of racists' lairs. These days, you no longer hear it used in public. My mother, thankfully, told me it was a bad word, and I was not to use it. I suspect that was rare, here in the South, and I'm glad I had a mother that didn't "infect" me with hatred.
As I said earlier, now at least people use code-words. I suppose that's good and bad, in that it shows improvement, and it drives underground existing racism, and allows racists to be so, but deny it. The dog-whistle still blows. And some still hear it, and like it. But that's going to stop working at some point. (I think)
Scuba
(53,475 posts)As an old white guy in a rural area, lots of asshats seem to think that I'll be pleased to hear them use the slur.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)bullying, foul mouths and minds we have today. Very disturbing. Maybe it's part of the move into extreme conservatism and fascism. Real shocker for someone who saw progress of the 60s and 70s.
Initech
(100,079 posts)Or at least exposes the racists and sexists for who they really are.
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)that is just my opinion. It was still racists but I think it is worse.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)I don't think they are responsible for cop behavior but they are for the tone of coarseness, racism, callousness, sexism, in the country.
I am on a forum which has a whole lot of rw people posting, and I can see where their posts - sometimes their very words - reflect something from faux news or rush blowbag.
It's kinda interesting.
Mostly it's disgusting, but from a purely intellectual pov it is interesting.
blm
(113,063 posts)their lives are worth far more than those of the lowly (worthless) laborer class.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Not sure how just yet, but I am working on it.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)it does not go completely unrecognized. I agree with you completely. The CIC (Conservative Industrial Complex) megaphone has gone unchallenged for long enough.
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)A few nights ago, I scanned the AM radio dial to see how many stations my older Wards boombox is able to pull in. I learned that there is a right-wing talk show host named Bill Cunningham. His comments on the slaying of Michael Brown sickened me. Cunningham said that every action which Wilson took was correct. Cunningham bragged that, as a former defense attorney, he is able to dissect the sequence of events on a second-by-second basis and reveal the truth. However, in his pathetic ramblings, Cunningham conflated the two distinct encounters which Wilson had with Michael and Dorian. As with all other right-wing radio host, Cunningham is either stupid or is a liar, and he spews misinformation which endangers society.
certainot
(9,090 posts)like they do on all subjects
MisterP
(23,730 posts)tried, and convicted because they didn't throw the case so blatantly *Nancy Grace* called them out on it: he didn't even get one cent
but I think that's the idea: those "Nigerian" scammers (they're all Dutch for some reason) *deliberately* use terrible grammar, to rope in the naive and/or those with poor English skills; so when they post a story asking "where are the protests to get THIS killer arrested?" they put it above a mugshot and above a story about how he's in jail now
drmeow
(5,018 posts)make the news while the same stories about whites or lighter skinned minorities don't. I find it particularly striking when it comes to domestic violence and child abuse just because those sorts of stories are less likely to make the national news in general. It is to the point where if I see a story headline with something like "couple does despicable thing to child" or something like that, I just don't want to look cause I KNOW they have picked the story not because it is a heinous and despicable crime but because the perps belong to (certain) minorities.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)It's something to badger our local, state and federal elected officials about relentlessly. I feel like vomiting every time I hear the shit on the radio these days.
certainot
(9,090 posts)we should be badgering our publicly funded schools for their support of it
(see post below)
i doubt there's a legislative solution that would go anywhere without 1200 radio stations screaming FREE SPEECH!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)what the First Amendment protects as free speech. I believe it was placed their to prevent censoring of reporting of current events by the government, not to protect a yellow journalistic media to spread lies and propaganda.
I have nothing against Rush bloviating his POV, but his crap should not go unchallenged. Those same stations that air his show, should then be required to air a show like Thom Hartmann or Cenk Uygar for instance in the same 24 hours. That to me would be real free speech, not just 24 hours of one sided propaganda.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and there's no reason to mandate a liar up against a truth teller
a lot of folks mistakenly believed that's what the FD did, and that's something the rw sold in their descriptions of the FD
for rw radio all that's needed is for americans to stop ignoring it and as you say challenge it.
for one thing, i doubt it would survive except in some southern swamps if it wasn't a well protected monopoly. and trying to compete with the monopoly won't work well either- not soon enough.
'all' the left has to do is challenge it enough to make it so costly for the right to keep it going that stations have to drop the RW talk. then stations will open up for liberal talk. it would probably not take anywhere near a 50- 50 proportion to make the rw propaganda ineffective. once it got going i'll bet 75 - 25 is all it would take for truth and common sense to sink in and make a lot of the rest go away. the real 'market' value of a bunch of ignorant liars would show.
IMO 'challenging' means getting in their face instead of ignoring them, with protests, monitoring them and making the results known so media and politicians can't repeat their crap without public knowing where it comes from, discrediting their national and local talk gods, etc.
extending the rush boycotts/advertiser education efforts to all rw stations
getting universities to pull their sports broadcasts from limbaugh and other rw stations- that alone might break the rw talk industry.
albino65
(484 posts)It seemed to be doing some good until the narrative moved on. I still espouse boycotting advertisers on those shows. In fact I tell anyone who will listen that boycotting and affecting their bottom line might make them listen. Why aren't we going after Murdoch and Ailes by going after their sponsors? My wife and I have an electronic shopping list that we use for the grocery store. The top listed items are those that are produced by the Koch brothers' companies. Then we know what to avoid.
certainot
(9,090 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)turn down rw radio
here are some things that the left could do to go on the offensive and open more stations for liberals:
1) get our schools out of republican radio. more than 28% (170+) of limbaugh stations depend on publicly funded schools (70+ major unis and colleges). the total number of Limbaugh stations that depend on publicly funded schools may be closer to 40%. the % might be similar for all republican radio- it couldn't handle the bad PR and economics if a few schools started honoring their mission statements and started getting out of partisan radio. this may be the most effective action with the most effect. stations would have to change their formats or offer balance to maintain those important relationships.
admin officials will argue it’s part of a total licensing package that’s very important to the university but the radio portion may be very small relative to the revenues from TV, etc. whatever the money involved, is the relationship compatible with the school’s mission statement? Has the school previously cited mission statement principles when making important decisions, such as in disciplining students and employees?
if licensing agreement can’t be amended the college should be encouraged to declare their intentions not to renew the relationship in the next contract. merely by declaring that intention the station will freak out. advertisers will freak out.
If the administration objects to losing audience because the station is so loud maybe there are a number of smaller stations that could be used to make up the difference.
the free speech objection will also be made but it’s ridiculous. there are school board members and education committee members as well as university presidents and chancellors and regents all over the country that owe their jobs to Republican radio. those radio stations take the Republican side on issues and candidates effecting education and schools. they might directly try to swiftboat a pro public education employee or candidate and help their opponents. they can generate strong public pressure, directly or indirectly, on the acceptability of particular candidates for university president, or existing school officials and decisions. If the short list is publicly accessible or leaked by a regent, for example, a station like that can and probably will make a difference.
2) expand the limbaugh education action/boycott to all republican stations and their advertisers.
3) where appropriate, include radio stations in protests/picketing. how many of today's protestors will 400 blowhards on the loudest stations in the country negate?
4) knowing what they're saying: probably be easy for the right person to come up with some software that would automate recording and transcribing (with SNOWTAPE and DRAGON DICTATE) the main talkers in a state, like Wisconsin, and make it available for searching every few days or sooner near elections. this is something the democratic party could organize for every state or most county headquarters, but it also relates to all liberal activism attacked on radio. by knowing what is being sold it makes it much easier to convince democratic senators that those constituencies (eg pro KXL, anti immigration) in their states they worry about are not legitimate and they won't be as slavish to their pollsters, etc.
5) use 4 to reference talk radio and limbaugh and sons more often. its better since stoprush. MSNBC seems to reference them, but most is relative to sexism, racism, and other outrages. include their positions on the issues as if they were sitting there. "that's what limbaugh says but the fact is...." should be a regular retort to republicans in media. discrediting the talk radio gods will help undo some of the cumulative damage and alternate reality that republican radio has created the last 2 decades.
6) include questions in polls, or directly poll talk radio listeners on issues to see how talk radio influences (as opposed to fox-related polling).
7) expand on exposing their use of paid callers and their national and local coordination with repub friendly think tanks
8) investigate if/how the right may be subsidizing republicon radio. if think tanks are paying stations or talkers to have their global warming denying liars on for an hour, or a dem candidate's opponent's hack on for an hour as a guest, are they paying for that and are there any implications re payola?
9) don't bother trying to get into the national talker's shows, but some local talkers are accessible until they cut you off (temporarily or totally). until then a well timed one liner can create doubt in tens of thousands of teabaggers.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)Hate radio was used in Rwanda to encourage violence between the citizens. One has to wonder once Obama leaves office where the programmed haters will turn their attention. After eight years of hating the first black President these folks aren't going to simply disappear. They will need new targets for their hatred. Environmentalists? Minorities? Immigrants?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)say more? 34 years ago.
RIP James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. You deserved far better than that demagogic scumbag Reagan pissing on your memories with his dog whistle(s) to American racists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers%27_murders
Ex Lurker
(3,814 posts)
BumRushDaShow
(129,066 posts)on his flagship station WABC (before he eventually moved to FL and barricaded himself in his fortress) while expecting to hear Lynn Samuels who originally had the slot. I think she briefly popped in to mention the lineup change and something about someone else in her studio...
And his schtick helped unleash even worse vitriol from the existing east coast RW loon already on the air there - Bob Grant, as well as wannabe Curtis Sliwa, and WBZ's Jay Diamond..
I would say that was the day that talk radio died.
ellennelle
(614 posts)demand the FCC reinstate it.
think about it. if that simple rule were still in force, it would take all the air out of their hate-filled tires.
why? because every single time they made an accusation or claim against any individual or group. they were have to allow that person or group EQUAL TIME.
remember that? many here won't, but it was standard from the radio days of the 20s until around 1990, when it was pulled.
notice that it all started after that, the trend toward hate radio and the shock jocks, and murdoch started up his cabal.
but really, think about how different it would be if every time o'really or hannity or schmoe scarebrow made one of their outlandish claims on the air, fox would have to allow the dems equal time.
their viewing and listening public would get both sides, as the public airwaves should provide. the public would make more informed decisions.
as it is, fox and the shock jocks go for the limbic reaction that is the core of all propaganda and ad campaigns. and if you have complete control over what gets broadcast to your audience, they will keep coming back for more of that addictive limbic reaction.
goebbels knew this. he acknowledged his campaigns were modeled on american advertising.
and no one seemed to notice, but right after obama was elected in 08, the hue and cry from the right imagining the dems would kick the fairness doctrine back into gear was all over the headlines. remember that? i thought not; it did happen, but the dems dismissed it without a thought.
bigger fish to fry, they said, and moved on.
but just think how different the past 8 years would have been had they made that their first order of business.
all the resistance they encountered with every single piece of legislation and policy agenda would have, well, had no air in the tires.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)So what Hannity, O'Reilly and Scarborough say would not be subject to rebuttal under the Fairness Doctrine.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Giving people choices about which "truth" they want to hear is no way to run a society.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)You've earned it.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)to choose what they want to watch and listen to is pretty much the opposite of fascism.
Not Sure
(735 posts)you are right on the money. The RW echo chamber has brainwashed a huge segment of the population.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)calls police to report a "scary black guy with a weapon"
Police come in guns drawn and the results are too predictable.
But yes, hate radio sets the tone in their sad scared little world.
Derek V
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appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)Two years ago almost all Radio was bought up by a couple large syndicates, stations that were previously local or independently owned. Now RW ragers are dominant, esp. commute prime time, like Michael (Weiner) Savage of 'the Savage Nation' bashing govt. workers, liberals, intellectual bookstore clerks, lazy welfare fatties, Obama the Marxist, Islamist. It's even here in the Nation's Capitol. Savage is very intelligent, crafty, his callers and book buyers seem fairly sane and middle class if they're genuine. He was also thrown out of the UK for his incendiary speech.
A caller to a progressive Radio/TV program (Thom H.) recently said that something must be done about the prevalence of hate radio. Every year he makes a trip from Chicago to Nevada or Texas. This year while driving he said there was only HATE RADIO everywhere, except one small progressive music channel in CO that he could pick up.
FSTV (Free Speech TV) is excellent, but even carried by DISH, DIRECT and online it's not available to enough US viewers, like cable MSNBC, internet and Sirius XM service that's unaffordable to some.
A poster last night on DU wrote that in his town there's only Fox news. He was replying to the new Moyers piece about Reid and Dems. pushing a massive tax cut bill for corporations in Congress now. If working families in America saw more news like this they would be outraged.
Do people realize or care that FOX TV is the ONLY CHANNEL in some places, and it's FREE. Unlike MSNBC that costs. FOX is played in stores, motels, offices, homes, trucks and cars, and it carries many COLLEGES sports programs I've read. It's everywhere, in Michigan, PA, MN not just the South, it's dangerous and it's gone too far. Started with REAGAN ending the Fairness Doctrine, (and enforcement of the Sherman Anti-trust Act) then CLINTON's 1990s Telecom Act, from what I understand. Roger Ailes first approached Nixon about GOP TV in the 1970s.
I find it ironic how many on the left are highly vocal about people voting against their own interests and being such backward, ignorant, racist, sexist haters when decades of consolidated, hugely funded RW propaganda is so prevalent and effective in initiating or amplifying ultraconservative viewpoints. By this point it's no joke, it's out of hand. (And Gore's Current TV isn't the absolute end of a left effort either).
If the only news people get is Fox or hate radio why the outrage? Some communities with basically one news source also have few to no grocery stores with fresh food, except 20-30 miles away. That leaves convenience stores with junk food as Chris Hedges found in researching desperate American communities his 2012 book, "Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt". Like the news consumed, I guess it's their fault they're unhealthy and don't have a fresh or organic foods grocery store.
If working class even middle class people had an independent, quality and accessible news media they would be more informed and shocked at what is being done to dismantle this country. They also might start to reflect that in their views and voting. But when US Media is consolidated and controlled by 4-5 powerful mega corporations how can Americans really know what's going on and the truth. Money exists for independent media, the failure to act is tragic. Until there's a successful, affordable media alternative there might not be much change, for the better anyway.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)I'd like to mention Democracy Now which is an excellent source of news.
Which does not at all detract from your points which are spot on. sadly...
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)Bill Moyers who's done so much on PBS is leaving in Jan., stayed on 3 years longer than intended.
I don't understand why few people on DU ever mention Amy, Thom Hartmann or FSTV, or Moyers that I notice. I've followed DU & joined recently. Even TH's & others videos here don't attract many viewers.
Some comment that they don't use TV service, follow little MSM. Maybe why there's no mention of independent FSTV Channel carried on Dish, Direct, some cable. But TH is also online, writes a regular print column for Truthout alternative news. Amy's print articles appear online from time to time. Both have good websites with videos & articles, like host Mike Papantonio of 'Ring of Fire' Radio/FSTV.
Truth & real news are fractured today, difficult or impossible to find unless you are a high level internet user, know where to look. Glad there's cable MSNBC, in places where it's carried. For many it's an important or only introduction to left views. Wait until the FCC & Tom Wheeler or another appointee start breaking up Net Neutrality.
In the US 5 major corps. control 90% of Media now, TV, Radio & Print-Comcast, Viacom, Time Warner, Disney & News Corp. Oligopolies like CLEAR CHANNEL (Bain Capital) now own most Radio stations. In consumer goods, 10 major Corps. own practically everything we buy: P&G, Unilever, Kraft, J & J, General Mills, Kellogg, Pepsi, Coca Cola, Nestles & Mars. Sub-brands, like 'natural' Kushi products are owned by Kellogg-all to create The Illusion of Choice.
A very educated but overworked suburban relative is unfamiliar with toxins in food & consumer goods; calls Whole Foods shoppers 'elites, food Nazis'. I'm trying to inform him, point out how lucky there's a Whole Foods nearby unlike many US places. Walmart's deplorable labor issues are enlightening many finally.
I read how one corp. even owns most major eyewear cos. but with different names to appear like there's a choice- Hour Eyes, Lenscrafters, Manhattan Eyes, etc. I would have never known otherwise.
Some of this was outlined two years ago, written up with a terrific GRAPH online, originally on Reddit, then sites like Business Insider, April 25, 2012. *Google '10 Companies own practically everything we buy'. It covers Media control by the 5 major Cos. & almost all TV Programs we watch, & recent growth of 6 major Banks. TH mentions.
Before the 1996 Telecom Act deregulation legislation that eliminated earlier media ownership limits, there was Reagan not enforcing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act or FDR's Fairness Doctrine. So we got Infotainment- as shown in the recent movie "Anchorman, Ron Burgundy" with comedian Will Farrell. Even PBS & NPR are now funded more by corporations.
I sense younger internet viewers & many on the left follow mostly internet news, added to select TV & online sites Hulu, Netflix & Amazon. RW domination of traditional media may not be much concern, except to ridicule, for those who follow alternative sources. But not everyone knows to get independent news online, or has the time or money. Apologies for the late reply & rant!
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)Thom Hartmann has a show on it. 5 pm in my area. and online any time.
http://pacificanetwork.org/?page_id=47
I really like two shows:
"Sojourner Truth"
Host Margaret Prescott often has on Dr Gerald Horne, Tom Hayden and Jackie Goldberg to discuss the issues of the day. In depth, and fresh viewpoints. and scholarly.
and Mitch Jeserich “Letters & Politics", is another show covering current events, always with a fresh look, great interviews.
I like these 2 shows, bec. even after listening to dozens of shows about the Ferguson situation, for example, and thinking I have heard everything there is to say, both these shows came up with fresh pov's and intervews with people I hadn't hear dbefore, and aspects I hadn't considered.
If you are unfamiliar with Pacifica, it has 5 stations broadcast, with many affiliates. This schedule from Berkeley's KPFA will give an example of the offerings-
http://www.kpfa.org/schedule
Monday Nov 24th
Settin the Standard with Pedro Reyes
Mon Nov 24th
1:00am
Monday 1am-3am on 1st and 3rd Mondays, and 2nd, 4th, and 5th Mondays from 1-6am.
Jazz Bar with Spliff Skankin
Mon Nov 24th
3:00am
Spliff Skankin' plays a extended cuts from Sun Ra, Coltrane and other live shows.
Democracy Now! (6 am)
Mon Nov 24th
6:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Up Front
Mon Nov 24th
7:00am
At a time when newspapers and commercial broadcasters are slashing news coverage, Pacifica Radio flagship KPFA launches a daily, hour-long newsmagazine with a strong focus on state and local issues.
Uprising
Mon Nov 24th
8:00am
Uprising emphasizes connecting global issues with local ones. Simply informing listeners of the problems in the world and our communities is not enough – we hope to motivate our listeners to take an active role.
Democracy Now! (9 am)
Mon Nov 24th
9:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Letters and Politics
Mon Nov 24th
10:00am
Pacifica's Mitch Jeserich hosts “Letters & Politics,” a look at burning political issues and debates, and their historical context, within the US and worldwide.
Music of the World with Sandy Miranda
Mon Nov 24th
11:00am
Documentary about Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes, just released
Against the Grain
Mon Nov 24th
12:00pm
A program about politics, society, and ideas co-hosted and co-produced by Sasha Lilley and C.S. Soong.
Women's Magazine
Mon Nov 24th
1:00pm
Author Barbara Rhine, TELL NO LIES; international peace movement Women in Black; tribute to Leslie Feinberg.
About Health
Mon Nov 24th
2:00pm
Gives listeners an opportunity to talk directly with experts in the field of both traditional and non-traditional health.
Cover to Cover Mondays
Mon Nov 24th
3:00pm
Booktalk, readings, unique spins on the zeitgeist, and interviews with authors, poets, and others about all manner of things covering the written word.
A Rude Awakening with Sabrina Jacobs
Mon Nov 24th
3:30pm
Public Affairs
Hard Knock Radio
Mon Nov 24th
4:00pm
A Talk Show For The Hip Hop Generation
Flashpoints
Mon Nov 24th
5:00pm
INVESTIGATIVE News Radio every weekday. Listen to Flashpoints en Español every Friday at 5:45pm.
The Pacifica Evening News, Weekdays
Mon Nov 24th
6:00pm
The Evening News on Pacifica broadcasts each weeknight from the studios of KPFA-FM in Berkeley, the nation's first listener-supported radio station.
Africa Today
Mon Nov 24th
7:00pm
Africa Today, with Walter Turner, is a weekly news program providing information and analysis about Africa and the African Diaspora.
Off The Beaten Path with Victoria Z
Mon Nov 24th
10:00pm
With DJ Victoria Z. and monthly guest hosts
Tuesday Nov 25th
Pitch A Fit
Tue Nov 25th
12:00am
Free form style with doses of rock, techno, R&B, punk, soul, metal, standards, soundtracks, indie, spoken word, and things that haven't been invented yet.
Hosted by PVC or Desperate Pedestrian.
Night Magic
Tue Nov 25th
2:00am
With Alex Dantzler
Early Morning Music (Tuesday) The Experience Collective
Tue Nov 25th
5:00am
Eclectic musical choices, free of genre boundaries including spoken word, featured editorials, and informative news. The global spotlight for music, performances, and current events you want to know about.
Democracy Now! (6 am)
Tue Nov 25th
6:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Up Front
Tue Nov 25th
7:00am
At a time when newspapers and commercial broadcasters are slashing news coverage, Pacifica Radio flagship KPFA launches a daily, hour-long newsmagazine with a strong focus on state and local issues.
Uprising
Tue Nov 25th
8:00am
Uprising emphasizes connecting global issues with local ones. Simply informing listeners of the problems in the world and our communities is not enough – we hope to motivate our listeners to take an active role.
Democracy Now! (9 am)
Tue Nov 25th
9:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Letters and Politics
Tue Nov 25th
10:00am
Pacifica's Mitch Jeserich hosts “Letters & Politics,” a look at burning political issues and debates, and their historical context, within the US and worldwide.
Music of the World with Joanna Manqueros
Tue Nov 25th
11:00am
With Host Joanna Manqueros. International music, concert tickets, live bands and requests.
Against the Grain
Tue Nov 25th
12:00pm
A program about politics, society, and ideas co-hosted and co-produced by Sasha Lilley and C.S. Soong.
Your Own Health and Fitness
Tue Nov 25th
1:00pm
A critical, independent voice on the politics and practice of health. With Layna Berman and Jeffry Fawcett.
Exploration
Tue Nov 25th
2:00pm
Exploration with Dr. Michio Kaku, is an hour long radio program on science, technology, politics, and the environment.
WorkWeek
Tue Nov 25th
3:30pm
Working people and the trade union movement from education, healthcare, housing, and more.
Hard Knock Radio
Tue Nov 25th
4:00pm
A Talk Show For The Hip Hop Generation
Flashpoints
Tue Nov 25th
5:00pm
INVESTIGATIVE News Radio every weekday. Listen to Flashpoints en Español every Friday at 5:45pm.
The Pacifica Evening News, Weekdays
Tue Nov 25th
6:00pm
The Evening News on Pacifica broadcasts each weeknight from the studios of KPFA-FM in Berkeley, the nation's first listener-supported radio station.
La Raza Chronicles
Tue Nov 25th
7:00pm
Cronicas De La Raza comes to you con entrevistas, cultura y musica de la comunidad sin fronteras.
Bebop, Cubop and The Musical Truth
Tue Nov 25th
8:00pm
A jazz world experience.
The Reggae Express with Spliff Skankin
Tue Nov 25th
10:00pm
with Spliff Skankin'
Wednesday Nov 26th
No Other Radio Network
Wed Nov 26th
12:00am
With Russ & dAS
The Late Night Hype with Pedro Reyes
Wed Nov 26th
1:30am
Reggae mix with Peja Peja! & Friends
Democracy Now! (6 am)
Wed Nov 26th
6:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Up Front
Wed Nov 26th
7:00am
At a time when newspapers and commercial broadcasters are slashing news coverage, Pacifica Radio flagship KPFA launches a daily, hour-long newsmagazine with a strong focus on state and local issues.
Uprising
Wed Nov 26th
8:00am
Uprising emphasizes connecting global issues with local ones. Simply informing listeners of the problems in the world and our communities is not enough – we hope to motivate our listeners to take an active role.
Democracy Now! (9 am)
Wed Nov 26th
9:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Letters and Politics
Wed Nov 26th
10:00am
Pacifica's Mitch Jeserich hosts “Letters & Politics,” a look at burning political issues and debates, and their historical context, within the US and worldwide.
Music of the World with Jose Ruiz
Wed Nov 26th
11:00am
World Music brought to you by Jose Ruiz.
Against the Grain
Wed Nov 26th
12:00pm
A program about politics, society, and ideas co-hosted and co-produced by Sasha Lilley and C.S. Soong.
Guns and Butter
Wed Nov 26th
1:00pm
Guns & Butter investigates the relationships among capitalism, militarism and politics.
Voices of the Middle East and North Africa
Wed Nov 26th
2:00pm
Co-hosted by Khalil and Malihe.
Cover to Cover with Jack Foley
Wed Nov 26th
3:00pm
Hosted by Jack Foley
Cover to Cover Open Book
Wed Nov 26th
3:30pm
On the Air Wednesdays at 3:30pm
Hard Knock Radio
Wed Nov 26th
4:00pm
A Talk Show For The Hip Hop Generation
Flashpoints
Wed Nov 26th
5:00pm
INVESTIGATIVE News Radio every weekday. Listen to Flashpoints en Español every Friday at 5:45pm.
The Pacifica Evening News, Weekdays
Wed Nov 26th
6:00pm
The Evening News on Pacifica broadcasts each weeknight from the studios of KPFA-FM in Berkeley, the nation's first listener-supported radio station.
Bay Native Circle
Wed Nov 26th
7:00pm
Hosts Lakota Harden, Eddie Madril, Janeen Antoine, Vince Medina, and Morning Star Gali bring you today's Native issues, people, culture & events.
Dead To The World
Wed Nov 26th
8:00pm
Grateful Dead, Jambands, Americana with David Gans and guest host Tim Lynch.
Sing Out
Wed Nov 26th
10:00pm
With Larry Kelp
Thursday Nov 27th
Music Dept. Showcase
Thu Nov 27th
12:00am
Rotating hosts: Al Glenn, Queen Jahneen, Taishi Duchicela and Avotcja.
Non-fiction Music with Joel Sachs
Thu Nov 27th
2:00am
A mix of jazz, folk and more.
Early Morning Music (Thursday) with Joel Sachs
Thu Nov 27th
5:00am
With Joel Sachs.
Democracy Now! (6 am)
Thu Nov 27th
6:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Up Front
Thu Nov 27th
7:00am
At a time when newspapers and commercial broadcasters are slashing news coverage, Pacifica Radio flagship KPFA launches a daily, hour-long newsmagazine with a strong focus on state and local issues.
Uprising
Thu Nov 27th
8:00am
Uprising emphasizes connecting global issues with local ones. Simply informing listeners of the problems in the world and our communities is not enough – we hope to motivate our listeners to take an active role.
Democracy Now! (9 am)
Thu Nov 27th
9:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Letters and Politics
Thu Nov 27th
10:00am
Pacifica's Mitch Jeserich hosts “Letters & Politics,” a look at burning political issues and debates, and their historical context, within the US and worldwide.
Music of the World with Stephen Kent
Thu Nov 27th
11:00am
With Stephen Kent
Behind the News with Doug Henwood
Thu Nov 27th
12:00pm
Behind the News covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global.
The Herbal Highway
Thu Nov 27th
1:00pm
Hosted and produced by Karyn Sanders or Sarah Holmes.
The Visionary Activist Show
Thu Nov 27th
2:00pm
The Visionary Activist show is the wedding of spiritual magic and compassionate social activism.
Cover to Cover Bookwaves with Richard Wolinsky
Thu Nov 27th
3:00pm
On the Air Thursdays at 3:00pm
Andres Soto
Thu Nov 27th
3:30pm
Public Affairs
Hard Knock Radio
Thu Nov 27th
4:00pm
A Talk Show For The Hip Hop Generation
Flashpoints
Thu Nov 27th
5:00pm
INVESTIGATIVE News Radio every weekday. Listen to Flashpoints en Español every Friday at 5:45pm.
The Pacifica Evening News, Weekdays
Thu Nov 27th
6:00pm
The Evening News on Pacifica broadcasts each weeknight from the studios of KPFA-FM in Berkeley, the nation's first listener-supported radio station.
APEX Express
Thu Nov 27th
7:00pm
APEX Express is a weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asian Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community.
The Bonnie Simmons Show
Thu Nov 27th
8:00pm
A mix of singer/songwriter, folk, rock, soul, country, and R&B.
The Hear and Now
Thu Nov 27th
10:00pm
"from singer-songwriters to avant-garde jazz; old faves, new voices, and live performances"
Friday Nov 28th
Over the Edge
Fri Nov 28th
12:00am
With Don Joyce.
Puzzling Evidence
Fri Nov 28th
3:00am
Deranged "edits" segue into a cascade of echoing glossolaliac madness, the voicing of lyric ruminations from the free-falling brains of disintegrating personalities.
Early Morning Music (Friday) with Eddy Pay
Fri Nov 28th
5:00am
Musical Exploration with Eddy Pay
Democracy Now! (6 am)
Fri Nov 28th
6:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Up Front
Fri Nov 28th
7:00am
At a time when newspapers and commercial broadcasters are slashing news coverage, Pacifica Radio flagship KPFA launches a daily, hour-long newsmagazine with a strong focus on state and local issues.
Uprising
Fri Nov 28th
8:00am
Uprising emphasizes connecting global issues with local ones. Simply informing listeners of the problems in the world and our communities is not enough – we hope to motivate our listeners to take an active role.
Democracy Now! (9 am)
Fri Nov 28th
9:00am
Hosted by award winning reporter Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! is one of the hottest national daily radio programs on the air today.
Economic Update
Fri Nov 28th
10:00am
Economics Professor Richard D. Wolff and guests discuss the current state of the economy.
Music of the World with David McBurnie
Fri Nov 28th
11:00am
A layered mix that is unpredictable and cutting edge with innovative dance textures.
Living Room
Fri Nov 28th
12:00pm
A weekly program about politics with host Kris Welch.
Project Censored
Fri Nov 28th
1:00pm
Project Censored educates students and the public about the importance of a truly free press for democratic self-government.
Terra Verde
Fri Nov 28th
2:00pm
A live public affairs program focusing on investigating and analyzing environmental issues from a global perspective.
Education Today
Fri Nov 28th
2:30pm
On the Air 2nd, 4th Fridays at 2:30pm.
With Host Kitty Kelly Epstein.
Counterspin
Fri Nov 28th
3:00pm
Counterspin provides a critical examination of the major stories every week, and exposes what the mainstream media may have missed in their own coverage.
Making Contact
Fri Nov 28th
3:30pm
An international radio program that links people, vital ideas, and important information.
Hard Knock Radio
Fri Nov 28th
4:00pm
A Talk Show For The Hip Hop Generation
Flashpoints
Fri Nov 28th
5:00pm
INVESTIGATIVE News Radio every weekday. Listen to Flashpoints en Español every Friday at 5:45pm.
The Pacifica Evening News, Weekdays
Fri Nov 28th
6:00pm
The Evening News on Pacifica broadcasts each weeknight from the studios of KPFA-FM in Berkeley, the nation's first listener-supported radio station.
Full Circle
Fri Nov 28th
7:00pm
A community radio show featuring pieces by members of the First Voice Apprenticeship Program.
La Onda Bajita
Fri Nov 28th
8:00pm
Lowrider soul.
The History Of Funk
Fri Nov 28th
10:00pm
Two hours of the strongest, stankiest, uncut fonk anywhere on the airwaves.
Saturday Nov 29th
Sideshow Radio
Sat Nov 29th
12:00am
The best of Bay Area Hip Hop and Culture.
Roots Kommunikations
Sat Nov 29th
2:00am
ROOTS KOMMUNIKATIONS ON THE GREAT TURTLE ISLAND
The Gospel Experience
Sat Nov 29th
6:00am
One of the longest running gospel music shows in the Bay Area.
Saturday Morning Talkies
Sat Nov 29th
9:00am
With Kris Welch.
Blues By The Bay
Sat Nov 29th
11:00am
A lively mix of jump raw edged gutsy soulful blues, it’s also your first place for event announcements.
Point of Departure
Sat Nov 29th
2:00pm
Timeless music "sometimes conveniently described as jazz." Miles, Mingus, Monk, Duke, Sun Ra, Coltrane and beyond. Hosted by Horace Mansfield
In Your Ear
Sat Nov 29th
4:00pm
Jazz & Latin music with Art Sato.
The KPFA Evening News (Weekend)
Sat Nov 29th
6:00pm
Weekend Edition of the KPFA Evening News
Indie Landscapes
Sat Nov 29th
6:30pm
Dedicated to sharing some of the most current Indie Rock and Electronic artists from around the world in hope of introducing listeners to new music to enjoy and pass along to a friend.
With Host Greg Garza.
Ritmo
Sat Nov 29th
7:00pm
Music from the Americas, from Brazil to the Carribean to Latin America, with a little roots and some occasional Mariachi/Blues for the soul.
Con Sabor
Sat Nov 29th
9:00pm
Luis Medina hosts this program focusing on the finest in Salsa, Latin Jazz, Afro Cuban, Afro Caribbean music from the classics to the latest!
BAJABA on JazzLine
Sat Nov 29th
11:00pm
Bajaba ShowCase (Bay Area Jazz And Blues Artist) featuring The Bay Area music scene.
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ellenrr
(3,864 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)happened more than a decade ago. It started when ownership rules were changed in 1996.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)monopolistic recently with giant cos. like Sinclair? owning more radio stations than ever. Walmartization. Two years ago I noticed a huge difference, not only the dominant RW talkers now but also hardly any MUSIC anymore which is very bizarre. Driving is not a big part of my life, but the lack of any programming other than Repub. Radio throughout this country is serious. Having no choice or diversity is ant-democratic to the extreme. It's mostly Rush, Savage or Hannity, the TV echochamber that you're driving with or silence. Sirius XM subscription is not what the Fairness Doctrine was about. At least with TV or internet you can CHOOSE other venues. Posters comments here that military bases, police and fire stations select FOX, and schools are tied to Rush is a dangerous reality. Some kind of change has to happen.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)the large transactions of a large number of stations is mostly done among station owners who alreqdy have a large. Umber of stations.
I have read several posts that say schools are tied to Rush, what is that all about?
(Also, what market are you in in which there are no music stations?)
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)who I would call r-w - altho they may not identify themselves that way - their responses sound like they have been scripted,
and then I realize that they have been scripted.
their responses sound the same bec they are echoing one of the r-w radio/tv hosts.
I don't think a lot of people listening to this stuff really ask themselves -
does what I'm hearing make sense?
or they have nothing to back it up against, nothing to challenge it,
the things that these people accept whole-cloth is just hard to believe.
olddots
(10,237 posts)DIRTY HARRY & DEATHWISH the selling of the anti hero after WW 2 = America has always loved the bad guy .
Iris
(15,659 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And the country is completely saturated with it. There is no way to make it go away and no way to get away from it. When the revolution comes, it's going to really suck to be a hate radio or Fox news host.
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malaise
(269,026 posts)in police stations, firehouses, and even military bases.
pansypoo53219
(20,978 posts)blame them. divide + conquer + it still reigns.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)of those that already have similar beliefs & attitudes. Killer & abusive cops have been around awhile -- Fred Hampton & Mark Clark, COINTELPRO, James Powell, Vivian Strong, Oakland PD, NYPD, NOPD, and LAPD to name a few.
I doubt Fox News has much influence outside of their viewers which is obviously ideological. Media as a whole is a different story, they could do a better job but you'll see many on this very same board defend all kinds of questionable shootings/brutality cases. Some are likely RW trolls but some aren't. Plus you had a push from Clinton & other triangulation Democrats to appear tough on crime and vote/support for tougher sentences, more cops on the street, more funding, and laws designed to give cops leeway.
I'll say what it is the problem is with more & more killer cops not even being found liable in civil suits, there is much less risk in pulling the trigger which leads to more & more so called "justifiable homicides" by law enforcement. There is a lot of outrage but very little of it is directed at curtailing some of these protections which gives the cops leeway.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)to ban all-white juries.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I think another problem along the same lines is in jury selection, I'm sure whoever is representing the defendant cop will eliminate jurors who claim to have a negative interaction with law enforcement as well as the tendency for jurors to overvalue the word of the cops like anything out of his/her mouth must be the truth.
Then there is the racial discrimination like you say.
The evidence regarding the impact of the jury pool on conviction rates is straightforward and striking: the presence of even one or two blacks in the jury pool results in significantly higher conviction rates for white defendants and lower conviction rates for black defendants. Specifically, in cases with no blacks in the jury pool, black defendants are convicted at an 81% rate and white defendants at a 66% rate. When the jury pool includes at least one black potential juror, conviction rates are almost identical: 71% for black defendants and 73% for white defendants. The estimated impact of the racial composition of the jury pool on trial outcomes is statistically significant and leads to three main conclusions: (i) there is a significant gap in conviction rates for black versus white defendants when there are no blacks in the jury pool, (ii) the gap in conviction rates for black versus white defendants is eliminated when there is at least one black member of the jury pool, and (iii) conviction rates for white defendants are significantly higher when there is at least one black member of the jury pool (versus all-white jury pools). The estimates are robust to a number of alternative specifications, such as the inclusion of other case and defendant characteristics interacted with jury race, and the same pattern holds in both Lake and Sarasota Counties independently.
http://qje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/04/15/qje.qjs014.full
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Not only does it inspire vocal crazies, and mass murderers such as Jim David Adkisson (the Knoxville Unitarian Church murderer with a trove of "inspiration " books by Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Bernard Goldberg. and Michael Savage's "Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder", but RW hate radio has so changed the culture (with Fox "News" memes being repeated daily by all corporate media and phony centrist NPR), and the effect on the entire culture is so broad, that it could not possibly be a non-factor in this phenomenon.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I remember the FOX-esque ugliness of his TV show because my dad used to watch it. According to WIKI, Rush Limbaugh took over his radio spot in 1984 because MDJ was too abrasive.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)You are trying to find excuses, as if the police never did any of these things before. Serpico told us of these things and worse and we pretended it only happened in New York. Miranda was the catalyst to reduce police beating confessions out of people. The police complained that the criminals would get away with crimes if they had to put the rubber hoses away.
Watch the Kevin Costner film about Wyatt Earp. He smashed people in the head with his pistol for little or no reason.
These things have been happening all my life, and I never heard of Limbaugh until 1989. The thin blue lie is now being exposed thanks to cameras, but it's been this way since there were police.
The reforms of the 1970's were a result of the abuses of the 1960's when people were murdered and beaten to a pulp by police.
Its always been this way. Now we are beginning to understand how widespread the problem is. The only question is will we do anything about it.
Hate Limbaugh and the almost never listened to talk radio. I don't care. But don't pretend the cops would be strikingly professional if only there was no Limbaugh. They would be the same out of control above the law group of thugs and bullies they are today.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)The top two reasons I stopped watching TV were pharmaceutical ads and cop shows. We're talking over 2 decades ago already that TV was absolutely saturated with cop shows.
And what these shows were showing were abusive behavior by police, often in the name of the drug war, and normalizing and glorifying it.
And then the War on Terror propaganda wave made things even worse than they were before.
My understanding is that even now, cop shows are among the top shows on TV. I haven't watched TV in many years but still the echoes of things like NCIS (which I understand is very popular) reach me.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)All the 'buddy cop' tv shows, movies etc. The good guys with overwhelming firepower, all the "cool" (their words not mine) guns etc.
Glorifying, reinforcing violence, torture, militarization etc.
Nobody "wants" to be the bad guy. The hero complex is what is at work here - people think they are being the protector and defender doing the "tough job". When in fact they're the ones creating the problem and being seduced by the quick / easy use of violence.
It's 24/7 advertising. I hear claims that there are no correlations - but how can you explain that billions of dollars of advertizing "works" by selling us crap we don't need but 24/7 cop shows of the way violence etc "works" is nothing?
I may be pushing this too far - but I think the whole gun thing is a big byproduct of this. *Every* good guy has a gun and uses it at the drop of a hat. It's like non-stop advertising: if you want to be the hero/good guy - you HAVE to have xxxx that your favorite hero has.
sawdust
(199 posts)Any ideas of how to shut down the faux nuze show
DrDan
(20,411 posts)hate radio gave listeners the new ability to articulate these feelings in a "intelligent" way. They now had the words to express this hate with friends, family etc.
Listen to the callers - they will mimic the hosts words.
Or the words of another host. You can pretty much spot who a listener is listening to by their use of a few key phraseswords.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)are just throwing gasoline on a fire that already exists. I don't think that without them there wouldn't be any hatred.
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)say that the 30 years of hate radio have fueled the fire on hate and violence against people of color
