It is going to be a FUCKING REVOLUTION!

[sheshe2]

Buffalo Springfield -Stop Children What's That Sound

there's something happinin here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there








telling me I have to beware.

i think it's time we stop, children
what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down











there's battle lines being drawn



nobody's right if everybody's wrong
young people speakin there minds

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getting so much resistance far behind
it's time we stop,
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

what a field day for the heat
a thousand people in the street
singin songs that they carry inside
mostly say hurray for our side

?

?





?

Ssssh, what's that I hear? It's time we heard it. Past time. This could be the Revolution of our lifetime.

Let's~ UNFUCK AMERICA!

[Jeffersons Ghost]

1. As President Xi Jinping of China aka China's verson of George W. Bush Jr.

Continues to bribe Senators and Congress-people, while making unilateral back-room deals with world leaders, he is deliberately setting up world-wide economic collapse.

[sheshe2]

2. And that has to do what with my Op?

Black men are dying. Cops are killing them and literally getting away with murder. I don't have a lot of patience these days and you are indeed tiring me.

[KingCharlemagne]

75. +Infinity! - nt

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

153. Ignore those who would distract, your post is A W E S O M E

[Cha]

272. You're on the wrong the thread.. your post has absolutely NOTHING to do with the OP. Show some

respect for our Black People who are being murdered by cops.

[agent46]

287. We can hear the voices in your head JG

We have the technology. Take your meds and go to bed.

[woo me with science]

3. Can we actually demand a stop and reversal to the militarization programs now?

Or would that be too mean to Obama?

I welcome the Third Way's concern about Ferguson if it is genuine and means they will stop circling the wagons around the actual policies and politicians who grow the militarization....and instead demand that the militarization stop and the weaponization be reversed. We also need a public, national database of police brutality and murders of citizens, and RELENTLESS Department of Justice attention to this garbage until it STOPS.

Here's to the citizens standing up against a viciously corrupt system. Now, let's pressure some politicians into doing more to dismantle this outrage than merely adding some cameras to America's police state.

_________________________________________________________________________________

The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424

The Obama Administration's Escalation of Police Militarization
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter&quot , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.”

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.

The final ACLU report on militarization of police in America
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report

WOW... Went Looking For Connections Between Ferguson And ALEC... Found This Piece Of The Puzzle...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413841

The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667

The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747

The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157

"Operation Urban Shield"...Training our Police, Fire, First Responders..in Military Tactics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909

[sheshe2]

8. You never stop do you?

I got it woo, you hate him and blame him for every fucking thing that happens on this planet. That is pathetic.

I do believe I asked you on another post if you had lobbied congress for some of your concerns. All I got was crickets. I am so not in the mood to talk to you further. Night.

[woo me with science]

10. Why don't you answer my questions?

Why is is so hard to demand ACTUAL change, and why is it so important to attack anyone who calls for ACTUAL dismantling of the police state on the part of our politicians?

[sheshe2]

11. Why should I you never answered mine.

It's not up to you to demand anything from me.

[woo me with science]

18. I'll answer your question. No, I will never stop.

I will never stop trying to underscore the ugly chasm between what Third Way politicians and their PR machines try to pass off as concern about human beings and communities, and what they actually DO.

This police state, and exploitative communities like Ferguson, will not change as long as corporate politicians are not confronted to end the policies that create them.

You will know the Third Way, because they attack or avoid every single time these policies are mentioned. The Third Way exploits tragedies like this to create political divisions, but they have a serious problem when it comes to anyone who would actually pressure politicians to take real steps to end the police state.

[sheshe2]

24. No, it was my question from the other night as you damn well know.

You are derailing my Op. This is about racism, do you understand that? Yet you do not take part in what that means

Let's talk White Privilege and Racism in America. Why can you not for once address an Op for what it is and not make it a platform to be all about you.

ADDRESS RACISM THIS IS WHAT THE OP IS ABOUT! For once could you please answer an Op directly without derailing it. Would you allow me a voice here and not drown it out with Obama hate.

[joshcryer]

26. They don't care about racism.

It's apparent in every derailment.

[sheshe2]

33. I know josh.

Damn that makes me angry.

Thank you.

[Bobbie Jo]

57. Not one whit.

And yes, it's very apparent. The tone deafness on display in this thread is just stunning.

[sheshe2]

78. Stunning, yet not surprising Bobie Jo~

Sad that.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

154. NOW I am starting to get it, I truly thought these types were just the RADICAL

lefties (of which I am one, in that I support all that), but you cannot be a radical lefty like me if racism and white privilege doesnt piss you off almost more than anything.

The issues they address are all important, but seem to always end up blaming Obama

[joshcryer]

166. It's all about derailing practical discussion.

The poster didn't address a damn thing I said in my debunking of their hyperbolic outrage politics.

[1StrongBlackMan]

295. I'm glad others are starting to catch on ...

when I, or other African-Americans, state what we have seen from that small; but loud, corner of DU, all we get is told that we make DU suck; or worse, that we are just too stupid to realize "It's CLASSISM, stupid."

[hopemountain]

95. you nailed it, she2

pure narcissistic effort to ram his "platform of hatred" down our throats. every. single. post.

[heaven05]

165. good for you

and I agree with every word of your retort and call it a hundred times.....

[Vattel]

25. Continue to speak out woo me with science. The Third Way PR machines never stop.

And so neither should we.

[sheshe2]

74. Sure keep speaking yet not bothering...

to answer the issue of racism or the blatant display of White Privilege in Ferguson and other black men that have been murdered by white cops. Wow! you rock Vattel as does woo!!!!!!!!

[woo me with science]

76. Oh, I will, and you, too. I think what we see playing out in this thread is very illustrative

of the Third Way's rhetorical and PR tactics.

To me, perhaps the most revolting aspect of the PR of corporate politicians is the shameless, outrageous claim to be the ones who *especially* care about racism....even while they are aggressively and relentlessly advancing policies that actually savage minorities and minority communities.

These national conversations are always the same. The corporate PR machine relishes seeking accolades for corporate candidates' pretty but deliberately vague speeches about race. They also benefit from stoking anger between groups to enhance whatever division is possible in the electorate....But if you even begin to mention actual policies that affect minority groups, the defensive attacks begin....because the actual record of corporatists on policies and race is an ugly one, indeed.

Racial Aspects of Economy are Significant for White House to Address
http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/07/28/racial-aspects-of-economy-are-significant-for-white-house-to-address

The Astonishing Collapse of Black and Latino Household Wealth
http://www.alternet.org/economy/black-and-latino-household-wealth-has-collapsed

The Roots of the Widening Racial Wealth Gap: Explaining the Black-White Economic Divide
http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/shapiro-thomas-m/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf

Wealth Gaps Rise to Record Highs Between Whites, Blacks and Hispanics
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2011/07/SDT-Wealth-Report_7-26-11_FINAL.pdf

The truth is that women and minorities can't afford more corporatism and are already dying because of it. The effects of *continued* corporate warfare on this nation will be a disaster for all Americans, but *especially* women and minorities.

It's all viciously cynical rhetoric. The Third Way will not protect values of racial *or* gender equality by supporting candidates whose policies are dismantling the very economic and democratic systems that make it possible for women and minorities to be empowered. They certainly won't do it with policies like Obama's and Hillary's that protect bankers, starve schools and communities, grow exploitative industries including private prisons, and militarize the hell out of police in marginalized communities.

If people think things are bad now, just wait until we see the status of women and minorities in this country when we are all working for Third World wages, Hillary's trade agreements have ramped up corporate power and the ability of predatory corporations to override our democratic laws and protections, and dissent in the new corporate America has been crushed.

It's a vicious agenda. It's the corporate agenda:

Poor minorities are worthless to corporations on the street. In prison they can bring in $40,000/yr
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969

Poor Land in Jail as Companies Add Huge Fees for Probation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014158005

The Caging of America - Why do we lock up so many people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226110

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681

Obama's 2013 budget: One area of marked growth, the prison industrial complex
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002392306

Obama selects the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/mars-d03.html

Private prison corporations move up on list on federal contractors, receiving BILLIONS
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Federal Private Prison Populations Grew by 784% in 10 Year Span
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4362184

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html

Private Prison Corporation's Letters to Shareholders Reveal Industry's Tactics: Profiting from Human Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022665091

Financial growth of private prison industry...Profiting from caging humans.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/BshteP8i282pcaeH8pdUsA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTUyMA--/

We heard about private prisons...but do you know of the private probation industry?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025380204

NYT: Probation Fees Rise, Firms Profit and the Poor Go to Jail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002893040

No Safe Place: How Cities Are Making It Illegal to be Homeless
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699724

Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603515

The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667

The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747

The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157

[Mojorabbit]

80. Great post. nt

[fredamae]

129. Thank you for this post n/t

[heaven05]

171. some people are only impressed with quantity

not quality as I see by some posts on here.

[heaven05]

170. All that BS you post just provess

sheshe's point. It's about you....and your group of sycophants. This not about 'third way', your Obama hating or how many links one has to prove an irrelevant post. All those posts mean nothing if you don't address the point. A lot of hot air in those posts. It really is all about you. The narcissism is revolting. Your ego is king sized your effect miniscule.

[Comrade Grumpy]

181. What a crock! You want a FREAKING REVOLUTION, you have to make some changes.

Woo outlines a big part of the problem. Frankly, I don't get the outrage about it.

[heaven05]

187. Woo outlines NOTHING

but woos sizable ego that makes everything about his approach right and everyone else as wrong. Please take it somewhere else. None of you are impressive in your argument in the least. I was there in the last revolution fighting for my fucking right to vote and be seen as equal under the law that is being abrogated by the current wave of virulent racism and hate. Tell your neighbors to stop hating, that will be a start IF you have principle and courage enough to stand up to them. We got some change, since reversed by the reactionaries in Congress and the Executive branch, REAGAN and that goddamn GWB, his father, cheney and lazy ass democrats. Don't come off telling anyone what to do, I was at the fucking barricade last time, where in the hell were you and the woo types, doing the same thing spewing BS and not effecting change in the least. Crock, yeah, I'll give you a modern saying, "tell it to the hand".

[sheshe2]

307. heaven has to make changes? WTF!

PoC have to make changes? Really? PoC need to make the changes? Dear Goddess, I weep for America when I hear statements like yours. We lost our soul. What an ignorant comment. Woo gets it and people of color do not? WTH are you talking about. Woo never addressed racism or white privilege here. He posted blue links. Never commented on the Op. Did you? Nope, crickets. What fucking bullshit!

[hifiguy]

176. I wish I could PM you a beer, woo.

You are a genuine truth-teller and one of DU's gems.

[woo me with science]

235. I'll take one! Actually, the root kind. :)

I'm beginning to think those posts were even more on-point than I thought they were when I wrote them, judging by the defensive swarm response that has been activated. You will notice that most of the responses from the usual group are all about me personally now. Textbook tactics of smear and diversion in response to ugly truths. And attempts to drown the links, of course.

It makes sense. Corporate Democrats can't run on their Bush-like war, economic, or police state policy. When you point out that their policies are viciously predatory even and *especially* toward the groups they claim to especially represent/care about as proof that they are really and truly are liberals...Well, they don't appreciate that exposure.

Third Way "liberalism" is a scam. These protesters deserve concrete results from these protests. We all do. Enough of the police state. Enough of the militarization. Enough of this lip service while destroying the very foundations of democracy that make equality possible.

[Bobbie Jo]

242. Take 2 and call it a day

You're getting your ass handed to you in this thread, and rightly so.

Take note.

[woo me with science]

251. Actually,

I think we are getting a *marvelous* illustration of Third Way messaging behavior.

[Bobbie Jo]

252. Whooooosh....

Yet another robotic response.

New material, get some.....

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

263. Actually,

everybody is getting a *marvelous* illustration of a comprehensive (and deep down embarrassing) tone-deafness to racial issues and a sad insistence on retreating to baleful and wholly irrelevant cliches when justifiably called out for it.

Despite the high-fives hastily dished up by your cheering section, you really have had your ass handed to you, and rightly so, as Bobbie Jo noted above. So message that.

[sheshe2]

303. Jeff.

Welcome to DU. I am so loving you.

"everybody is getting a *marvelous* illustration of a comprehensive (and deep down embarrassing) tone-deafness to racial issues and a sad insistence on retreating to baleful and wholly irrelevant cliches when justifiably called out for it.

Despite the high-fives hastily dished up by your cheering section, you really have had your ass handed to you, and rightly so, as Bobbie Jo noted above. So message that."

Bravo!

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

306. Thank you.

Unfortunately, I go back way too far on this site, and it's probably time to leave again. Too many things like the blatant attempts to hijack this thread and the approval such attempts draw infuriate me.

[sheshe2]

308. Please don't leave,

we need your voice.

She~

[sheshe2]

309. Oh we are indeed getting a *marvelous* illustration

Of your Obama hate. Your lack of compassion for members here. The complete ignorance of the plight of PoC and your dispassionate soul.

You sure do rock woo woo woo. Your crowd sure had high fives for you and the chest bumps were awesome!!! Sadly there were none for PoC.

Are you going to alert on me again?

[hifiguy]

261. An expanded version of my

New Fascists post will be up on worldnewstrust.com. I will PM you and octafish a link but will not post it on DU myself. If anyone else wants to, that is their business.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

179. Great post, Woo!

Racism and corporatism are inextricably linked, just as capitalism and the state are.

Smashing one without the other is foolish.

[CrawlingChaos]

198. Outstanding post. Many thanks (nt)

[sheshe2]

276. Yoo hoo, woo woo...

your links on Ferguson and said corruption have been discussed on DU at length. Where the hell have you been? Obviously late to the party.

We have been there, we have discussed it, we are disgusted about it and not a peep out of you on any of the facts you are so outraged about.

[1StrongBlackMan]

296. Then, please, feel free to ...

START YOUR OWN GODDAMNED THREAD!

[Number23]

204. My Christmas wish: that the keys on your computer that spell out Third Way get some much needed rest

[bravenak]

206. Hahahahaha!!!

[Number23]

210. Won't you join me, my love?

If everyone here that is not the slightest bit fooled by this poster joins forces (and there are ALOT of us), maybe our wish will come true...

[bravenak]

214. Oh, I suppose I can offer up a prayer to hope.

[Number23]

220. Oh shit!!!

You win!! I ain't worthy. Girl, you won it all!!

[bravenak]

229. I knew what you needed.....

Every-time I see third way my eyes glaze over. I'm so far left nobody is ever going to please me. And that's a good thing if you don't want to live in communes, smoking weed all day, chilling on the internet and gardening. My utopia is not everybody's utopia.

[Number23]

236. My eyes glaze too. And the idea of introducing such a pointless stupid diversion into this thread

just makes me want to do exactly what my man in your card was praying for.

And we all want to do something about the militarization of police. But the idea that a) they just got militarized on Obama's watch or that b) everything was super de dooper swell between black folks and the cops BEFORE the cops starting playing soldiers is just so fucking IGNORANT and is so typical of the shit that gets posted here over and over and over again complete with the +1s and attaboys from the equally privileged and fucking clueless. This ain't got shit to do with the goddamned Third Way. This is shit America has ALWAYS done.

Cops have been killing black folks FOREVER. Every cop in the country could be issued one of those musket guns that they used in the Revolutionary war and there'd STILL be DEAD NEGROES in every town. I'm just so goddamned sick of the endless attempts to obfuscate and distort. Until cops can stop seeing every person with melanin as a threat and as a criminal, and until this country gets serious about providing a more holistic approach to affirmative action, including providing our children with more opportunities and improving schools in our neighborhoods, then nothing is going to change. And typing "THird Way!! ThirD Way!!!" in every 2nd post might give you tons of high fives from morons on DU but it won't do anything to address what is really going on.

[bravenak]

238. Officer, overseer. Same thing.

Overseers policing black people is an American tradition.
All of these so called smart people like to ignore the history that doesn't fit into their worldview. We remember, we must. They are used to getting what they want from us and leaving us the scraps. We don't eat fucking scraps any fucking more. And fuck them for trying.
https://m.

[sheshe2]

225. Gawd I luv ya bravenak.

[bravenak]

231. I love you too.

I hate when people ruin other people threads.

[sheshe2]

237. It's like they are talking behind our backs here and....

high fives all around. We see you~

[bravenak]

239. Just like High School.

It was boring then and it's boring now.

[Deny and Shred]

244. That was 11 high five posts in a row

[sheshe2]

221. Hallelujah~

I'm on my knees with you Number23.

[Number23]

230. I am glad, hell I am THRILLED that you posted this thread and that folks can see out loud and in

technicolor what the black posters have been saying here in PMs for YEARS.

I can say in all truth and in all honesty that we have not been wrong about a single poster yet. NOT ONE.

[sheshe2]

304. No, you have never been wrong, 23

And I love seeing there lily white racist asses flapping in the wind for all to see!

[Bobbie Jo]

222. LMAO!

They've got to be worn to the nubs.

[betsuni]

223. I still don't understand what the whole Third Way thing is about.

I think if ever I do, it will be a Festivus miracle.

[NanceGreggs]

257. Its basically about ...

... a poster who requires an inordinate amount of attention, and thinks yelling "THIRD WAY!" in the middle of every thread is the best way to get it.

[betsuni]

259. Thanks. So it's just something shiny and distracting,

like tinsel.

[Cha]

271. "THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY"

LOL

I'd never heard of "THIRD WAY" until I started seeing said "THIRD WAY" being bandied about DU as a personal attack from those who like to toss out "AUTHORITARIAN" with no clue wtf they're talking about.

[jaysunb]

281. Bingo !! n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

297. LOL, Here ...

I'd never heard of "THIRD WAY" until I started seeing said "THIRD WAY" being bandied about DU as a personal attack from those who like to toss out "AUTHORITARIAN"AND AVOID ANY AND ALL DISCUSSION OF RACISM (EXCEPT TO TELL PoC THAT IT IS ALL IN OUR IMAGINATION BECAUSE THE REALLY, REAL PROBLEM IS THEIR ECONOMIC CONDITION, ER, OUR ECONOMIC CONDITION) ... with no clue wtf they're talking about.

There!

[Cha]

302. Exactly! It Shuts Down any Discussion.

[NOLALady]

301. Miss seeing you NanceGreggs.

Love every one of your posts.

[AgingAmerican]

147. Thou shalt not ask probing questions

...of the Third Way®, lest deflective rhetoric betide you

It's not our place to peel away the layers of the onion, revealing the rot that lies below the surface.

[Cha]

273. "THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY"

lol

[AgingAmerican]

277. You forgot the ® symbol

Otherwise, spot on!

[Cha]

278. "THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY"

[sheshe2]

310. ROFLMAO

Thou shalt not ask probing questions


...of the Third Way®, lest deflective rhetoric betide you

It's not our place to peel away the layers of the onion, revealing the rot that lies below the surface.

I asked a probing question, some here refused to answer. Why is that?

Holy shit. You said this? Really? You want to reveal the rot? Then answer the Op. I know it is hard to peel away the rot of racism and white privilege.

[AgingAmerican]

311. *

[sheshe2]

312. Got it!

Ya have no answer. It is impossible for you to answer racism and white privilege.

Your non answer says it all. You got nothing!

You just lost.

Frick You!

[AgingAmerican]

313. *

[heaven05]

164. why don't you stop

distracting, discounting and deflecting from the issue at hand, the murder of unarmed black men, women and children. Yeah, yeah we get you, like hundreds of thousands of others on the hate Obama train, and sadly that train is full of all political persuasions including ours saying the same thing, I hate Obama........ waaaa, waaa, why can't we have someone else....waaaa waaaa why don't you answer her question, what are YOU doing to stop the insanity besides putting something on this thread that belongs somewhere else....

[rbrnmw]

180. it's obvious hating President Obama is more important than anything to woo

and woo is trying to derail the topic because woo is lacking in politeness.

[sheshe2]

240. Thanks heaven...

you have made excellent points here yet sadly they will not answer my Op. Guess they don't need to now, they undeniably made their point loud and clear for all DU to see. Yes, we see them.

[heaven05]

245. well another problem not addressed by the

detractors, deflectors and discounter/deniers is all of the fearful white RW males with guns that are only to be "taken from their cold dead fingers". Not a word from all the Obama haters and 'third way' haters. They will be one of the reasons for violence and the need for counter violence by citizens and authorities alike. From the citizens because that's who these racist cowards are going to come after first. The authorities only because they will have to respond. I don't think that these people can be ignored as a real danger that can cause the kickoff of violence and chaos in the streets. Remember these people WANT to see the murders and executions of black people and do justify them with all kinds of white superiority/black inferiorty rationalization(s). These are the ones I also am keeping a close eye on. I will never forget that asshole in bundyland on that overpass, with a high powered rifle, top of the line scope, aimed at federal authorities.

THERE is a real problem of racism personified and these people are purposefully being kept under the media radar because, of course, only the black people are a 'threat'.

I think these people are planning and scheming on how to get something kicked off to start their white privilege revolution...you know the RW white privilege insanity..waaaa waaa we want our white privilege and we will kill to keep it all to ourselves...waaaa waaa That is going to be an important and large catalyst in the upcoming 'troubles' along with the continuing racist murders and virulent white racism. And racism deniers are not going to be any help unless they reach down deep and find a pair, ovaries or testicles, don't matter, all will be involved. I truly believe.

[Cha]

270. Well done, heaven!

[steve2470]

293. +1 nt

[Pastiche423]

15. Why should he stop?

It is all true, isn't it?

[sheshe2]

19. Wow, a tag team and neither of you addressed my Op!

[Pastiche423]

22. Just like you did not address my question

Right?

[sheshe2]

60. Do you even care about civil rights?

Racism? Do you care about that? Woo wants to blame Obama about the civil rights issues in Ferguson cause he is to blame for everything, you have no problem with that? So where do you stand on White Privilege?

[Pastiche423]

65. When you answer my question

I will answer yours.

[sheshe2]

83. I thought I just did.

Woo blames everything on Ferguson on the President all the corruption, everything. Holder is already looking into it and before you answer you may want to do some research.

I will give you a start, the rest you can find out for yourself.

For years now one of the things that has frustrated me about the "what have you done for me lately" Blackacademics has been their insistence that the Obama administration hasn't done anything for the African American community. That's why - back in 2011 - I started writing about DOJ's investigations into police brutality.

Today we learned that the investigation into Cleveland's Police Department has resulted in a finding that they have engaged in a pattern and practice of using excessive force. It is horribly sad that this finding comes too late to save the life of Tamir Rice. But perhaps we can take some small amount of comfort in the fact that previous investigations might have saved the lives of others. And hopefully this one will be part of finding justice for Tamir's death.

P.S. For those of you who - like me - are going to miss having Eric Holder as our Attorney General, this article about what he plans to do in the future is hopeful. And in 2 years, he's likely to have some company

So much more here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025911389

[Pastiche423]

103. You have trust in the DOJ and Holder

I do not.

If any justice comes out of any investigation, I will be shocked.

[woo me with science]

112. +10000 An extensive record of predatory corruption from our DOJ and Eric Holder,

in service of a corporate agenda that, as noted above, has disproportionately harmed poor and minority communities.

Yet once again, we are urged to celebrate what may happen in the future...

Jaw-dropping corruption from our own "Justice Department":
Helping criminal bankers bury the evidence...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5776546
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-9-billion-witness-20141106#ixzz3IJnvzrej

Our "Justice" Department and Eric Holder (long, long, long list of outrages, betrayals, and corruption)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5709758Justice

[Odin2005]

131. Civil Rights and overthrow of the ruling class goes hand in hand.

MLK was getting too friendly with Communists, that is why he was murdered.

[socialist_n_TN]

169. I wish we had a "like" button......

Racism (and sexism and ageism, and every other social "ism&quot will never be "reformed" until you get rid of the "ism" that engenders and supports it all. And of course, that "ism" IS capitalism.

Now that doesn't mean to stop fighting for those reforms because it might save some lives, BUT it won't stop until there is a true revolution and capitalism is destroyed as a ruling system.

History tells the story of reform. I'm 63 years old and THIS SHIT HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL OF MY LIFE! Window dressing reforms don't do squat to ameliorate the real problem. Capitalism.

[heaven05]

192. that is very true

to a point, it is a catalyst and cover for the powerful to be able to perpetuate inequality under the guise of "bootstrap pulling". Racism is a direct result of a system that values money over lives.

[CrawlingChaos]

197. + infinity

[Number23]

212. So it had nothing to do with his attempts to end American apartheid, huh?

We need a "Deep Sigh" emoticon

[sheshe2]

260. The Op came first answer the Gawd Damn Question!

Or are you to frightened to do that!

[muriel_volestrangler]

267. ANSWER Coalition: "Rights lawyers condemn Obama appointment" - do you agree?

I ask again because I think my reply to your OP with this question (#175) got lost in all the others:

The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) condemned President Obama’s appointment of Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey, former chief of D.C. police from 1998 to 2007, to co-lead a presidential task force on militarized police tactics and equipment. The task force will develop a draft executive order on “21st Century Policing” within 90 days.

Ramsey, who was also recently brought in as a consultant for the Ferguson PD after the unrest in that city, has a record marked by excessive force, false arrests, and complete disregard for constitutional rights.

“If the President’s idea of reforming policing practices includes mass false arrests, brutality, and the evisceration of civil rights, then Ramsey’s his man. That’s Charles Ramsey’s legacy in D.C.,” said Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the PCJF. “President Obama should immediately rescind his appointment of Commissioner Ramsey, who is a mass violator of civil rights and civil liberties.”

Carl Messineo, PCJF Legal Director, stated: “For civil liberties advocates, Chief Ramsey became synonymous with militarized and repressive policing. If this task force is under his command it does not stand a chance of substantially changing the status quo. Keeping Ramsey as the leader of the task force will demonstrate that President Obama is only seeking to provide window dressing rather than to create meaningful reforms.”

http://www.answercoalition.org/rights_lawyers_condemn_obama_appointment

Since your OP's last photo was of an ANSWER Coalition banner, and this is on their front page, is this the kind of revolution you're looking for? Is Ramsey part of the revolution, or the status quo?

http://www.answercoalition.org

[Scootaloo]

68. They did, actually

Militarization of the police is very much a factor in these murders - obviously not the sole factory, but probably the most damaging, all sid - a racist cop is a problem, yes. A racist cop with military weaponry who is trained to see himself as a soldier stranded in enemy territory? That's a whole 'nother ballpark.

[joshcryer]

50. The FBI has that "database" he seeks.

The problem is racist prosecutors and racist law enforcement agencies who push incidents under the rug.

The fact that the FBI's data and the CDC and BJS's data are all over the place shows irrefutably that the law enforcement agencies are choosing to report only what they want to report, this actually hinders the DOJ in its ability to address the situation.

But see, that's the problem with woo. He wants the DOJ to magically just start cracking down, without any justified cause, while the OP sees that there is a new civil rights issue brewing which is going to cause legislation which will make these unlawful police agencies start reporting properly, and start dealing with their abusive cops.

Basically woo wants to blame the federal government for police agencies under-reporting and causing the problem to begin with, when they don't do it for their own racist reasons and to protect their own.

A pass is given to the racist police agencies.

[woo me with science]

85. Thanks for noticing that.

We need lots and lots of people to notice.

[Pastiche423]

98. You are most welcome

I seek out your posts and am most appreciative of the educational links you share.

[Cha]

274. No, he should continue with his "THIRDWAY" BULLSHITE.. Attempting to Hijack Threads about

"#BLACKLIVESMATTER" I would certainly expect nothing more than the leaching on to someone else's thread.

[sheshe2]

279. Damn I love you activism!

#BLACKLIVESMATTER They sure as hell do, Cha!

Funny, I took a glimpse at woo's complaints about Ferguson and the Police Corruption. That has been discussed at length here, I don't remember woo on any of those threads. Funny that!

Nope, Derail, Dismiss, A LOAD OF OBAMA HATE. Now that is one done deal. Lol~

[Cha]

283. Oh yeah, "A LOAD of Obama Hate".. even on the thread about his having to go

to the hospital for a sore throat he's evidently had for 2 weeks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=959587

Get Well Soon President Obama.. We need you 100% Healthy!

[Marr]

36. I don't understand your complaint.

You seem to want some sort of esoteric joining of hands to chant something we all already believe here, ie, that racism is bad.

But calling for real, factual, achievable and quantifiable change via policy is verboten.

[joshcryer]

47. It's a civil rights issue, not an outrage issue.

Outrage politics achieves nothing, and in fact, by simply being outraged, and diminishing the civil rights aspect, you are diluting the power for change.

[sheshe2]

56. Educate yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025911389

There is more about it out there if you care for the truth.

[woo me with science]

79. Bingo.

Distilled perfectly.

[CrawlingChaos]

101. Yes, that is certainly the way it appears (n/t)

[treestar]

116. We have to be the change

And motivate and inspire ourselves.

That's the division of DU. We can be and support change or demand others do it.

The latter obviously won't work.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

157. Seems like the anti 3rd way folks are intent on always confronting others and rarely

do I see them putting that aside and just commenting on the issue like race or white privilege. If I am wrong then so be it, just seems like it is confrontation first, anyway.

I completely understand how continuing with the status quo will mean minorities are always hurt the worst.

I understand that anti 3rd way folks are angry at Obama for not being the change they had hoped for, but he has done a pretty good job given what he has had to deal with.

Seems we should find a way to come together, do the best with what we have, personally that would be Bernie Sanders for me, but whoever it is, sure has to be better than someone like Mitt or Jeb or Rand or Mike Huckabee?

[heaven05]

195. A lot of them are afraid

of losing that white privilege if the push for equality wins. You are definitely NOT WRONG. It's as obvious as night and day. I've been around fighting for decades and it's their wway or no way. No compromising or listening to reason other than theirs. Sheshe asked that we stick with the purpose of the OP--White racism in america now-- and you see where they went. All the other places except how we can defeat the murderous racism and hate NOW. They want to hate our POTUS first because he is an american politician, as all american political animals have been and will be. Not the white racism in black faces every day.

[LWolf]

119. I hope

you are right about the revolution. For many reasons. One of which is that the very act of taking to the streets and speaking our minds inspires HOPE for change, and many of us have had little to no hope for a very long time.

I also think that any effective revolution will look at the larger picture, will look at sources of the corruption we are determined to change. That certainly includes the 3rd way and neo-liberals. It has grieved me for 7 years now that Barack Obama aligns himself with the wrong wing of the Democratic Party, but acknowledging the part militarization programs that feed the problem is certainly not ABOUT him.

Meanwhile, regardless of my pov when it comes to the POTUS, I will be with any and everyone who will take to the streets and the airwaves, stand a line, speak their minds, and make sure the world sees what's going down.

[NanceGreggs]

232. Sorry, sheshe2 ...

... but he can't stop. That much is obvious.

You see, it's his world - it's all about him.

You're concerned about out-of-control cops killing black citizens? That's not as important as THE THIRD WAY!

You're hoping to encourage the citizenry to take action against the rampant racism that has become part-and-parcel of many US police forces? That's not as important as THE THIRD WAY!

You want to bring attention to the notion that concerned citizens CAN stand up to injustice, and demand to be heard? That's not as important as THE THIRD WAY!

You feel a need to focus on the inequality that exists within the nation's judicial system, and the fact that our countrymen are fed-up with that inequality and are more than willing to take to the streets to make their disgust known? That's not as important as THE THIRD WAY!

So now you're down to wondering who IS this nefarious THIRD WAY, and exactly what are they up to?

Well, according to he who can't stop, THE THIRD WAY is anyone who disagrees with his political views, anyone who doesn't high-five him when he hijacks yet another thread in order to bring attention to himself, anyone who doesn't get on-board with his paranoid delusions that THE THIRD WAY is out to destroy civilization, with a specific emphasis on "getting him" - and maybe his little dog, too.

Does he even know what the THIRD WAY is? I doubt it. It's just a catch-all accusation he flings about when he has nothing of substance to say - which is pretty much always.

So keep fightin' the good fight, sheshe - and just ignore that man behind the OMG!!! THIRD WAY, THIRD WAY, THIRD WAY (!!!!!) curtain. He's just another one of those high-maintenance posters who require more attention than rare tropical fish.

[sheshe2]

254. Nance,

Once again, you brilliantly put it in the proverbial nutshell! Slam Effing Dunk!

It's kind of funny how ProSense was always slammed for her blue links, you know the ones I mean, the informative educative links. Yet here we seem to get copy and paste ad nauseam.

Thanks for the laugh as well. THIRD WAY, THIRD WAY, THIRD WAY ~ Well they do say that three times is a charm.

I wish you and yours the best of the holidays and a bright New Year.

Good to see you~

she

[Jesus Malverde]

81. Notice the third way encourages street protests

In December.

They'll double down in January and February...




By March/April this will be another #KONEY2012 OR #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS

[heaven05]

196. oh please

I see right now you are incapable of seeing any truth except yours or your sycophants. Too bad, so sad. Not really. Typical.

[Jesus Malverde]

200. Woo hoo I have sycophants

a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.

Maybe you were thinking of a different word.



Don't forget your snow boots for the march!

[heaven05]

205. No, in my book they are

a..kissers. I've been out there and can tell you're full of words, not action. Take it somewhere else it's appreciated. You're trying to hard to gain favor with the Obama haters and you're trying too hard to drag others along with you with your the weather is not right BS. It didn't stop us in the 60's. It won't stop us now. No ,I got the word for you and your group(s) right... Okay I'm done. Getting very tired of this BS. Sheshe is right, you're wrong along with the rest of the Obama haters. Period.

[Cha]

275. THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY""THIRD WAY"

[sheshe2]

280. Snort~

Gotta love you~

[Cha]

285. The Robotic "THIRD WAY"ERS have no clue how to get their points across..

I see that ignorant insult thrown out to discourage discussion and.. that's exactly what it does. It's like a playground bully taunt.. nobody wants to stick around and find what's on their mind.

Bacatcha, she

[sheshe2]

305. Jesus!

It's so white there! Holy Shit!

[treestar]

115. Send the President the list of your demands eom

[sheshe2]

256. I asked him the other night if he had petitioned congress as well, treestar.

answer~ crickets

[notadmblnd]

136. the militarization of PDs did not start with Obama

So why you felt you had to bring him into it mystifies me. Unless you just did it to slam him, which then brings your bias into question?

Also, if you were as politically as savvy as you seem to think you are, you would know that the President, or any president for that matter, is not the all powerful, omniscient being that you seem to think he/she should be.

In fact there is no other president in the history of these United States where congress and people such as yourself have come together to complain about him or work against him to prevent implementation of any change that could be construed as positive in any way.

Again, your complaining brings your personal bias into question.

[woo me with science]

137. Actually reading the links I provided might help.

Not to mention the conveniently posted excerpts.

He has both resurrected militarization that was being phased out and massively escalated militarization through these federal programs and his own budget.

See also post 53.

[notadmblnd]

138. Congress holds the purse strings, not the President.

[woo me with science]

139. Yes, the administration resurrected the programs because it opposes them.

Just like the President made speeches defending austerity because he opposes it.

And just like he signed the NDAA because he opposes it.

And he *really* opposes the TPP, see?

Obama Ready to Defy Base in Order to Advance Trans-Pacific Partnership
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025911398

Thank you again for this great illustration of Third Way political messaging. War is Peace!

[notadmblnd]

140. What part of- it has to go through congress don't you understand?

yes, the president can sign an executive order, but congress still has to fund it. Why are you so full of hate for this man. I don't even recall you being this hateful towards Bush. Again, it call your personal bias into question and that my dear, harms your credibility.

[woo me with science]

145. Exhibit A for Third Way robotic talking points.

"but Congress still has to fund it."

That comment is completely illogical here, like something a poorly programmed artificial intelligence program would spit out. This conversation didn't call for an explanation of why something *couldn't* be funded. Just the opposite.

It's a bot response. That's the canned response for when we want some progressive program but are being given excuses for why the Third Way administration isn't fighting for it. Here, we are talking about why the administration *chose* to resurrect fascistic programs that militarize our police.

And the response we get is, "...but Congress still has to fund it."

You see...This is what we are dealing with. This is the Third Way message machine in all its "2+2=5" Orwellian glory.

[notadmblnd]

146. moving the bar now, are we?

Instead of addressing the question I asked, you are now attempting to deflect by making accusations against me. Your motives are transparent. Your credibility rating on a scale of 1 - 10 is now at about 2. Please stop, before it becomes zero.

[Number23]

208. You deserve a medal for trying. But the +1s and "attaboys" from that ones' shrinking list of seal

clapping fans is all that he cares about.

Racism, police brutality and other issues are ONLY to be cared about if they can be used as a cudgel to slam Democrats, and extra plus points if he can slam Holder or Obama (hmmmmm....) in the process. And he has made that as obvious as he possibly can.

[KittyWampus]

209. holy shit! You have the nerve to say "robotic talking points"? All you do is parrot the same schtick

day after day after day.

It's amazing how lacking in self awareness some people can be and how they can project their own dysfunctional behavior onto others.

[heaven05]

199. don't waste your time with

any of the links. Although please be my guest, but I think you'll come to the same conclusion I did by reading some of that drivel. They just affirm that this is all about him and his hate for the POTUS. Oh they like to think they are proving a point about who's at fault,ect; ect; but they are only end up proving that they are looking for some to massage their huge egos. They are not really able to understand their objections are seen for what they and are directly related to losing their privilege and not dealing with murder, executions and summary judgements by bullets, torture, hanging of black people by other people who fear that people of color will gain some of the privilege they enjoy everyday.....

[leftynyc]

178. You blame Pres Obama for Ferguson?

That's pretty fucking pathetic. I don't put many on ignore but your nonsense is not worth my time.

[NorthCarolina]

185. You can try, but in doing so you may discover their real intent. nt

[truedelphi]

194. I don't know if I should laugh or cry when hearing that Obama wants

More billions so police can be properly trained!!

More billions for police departments? In an era where there are so many friggin' monetary programs for police departments that one envies the police. The money comes from the Federal Government, including beaucoup Homeland Security monies, and from the individual state, and then there are things like asset forfeiture where the homes, cars, bank accounts etc of various individuals whose property has been seized now goes to the police. (John Oliver recently had a story about how a family home in Pittsburgh was seized, due to the arrest of the teenager kid living in the home. The kid had a baggie of heroin, police suspected he was selling, and although the teen got probation (IIRC), the house was seized, and the family will probably lose it.)

As an example of huge monies going to PD across the nation, we can look to one city:
For the 2013/2014 fiscal year, the Santa Rosa Calif.'s Police Department's budget is $45.5 million. Santa Rosa is a city thirty miles north of San Francisco and it has a population of 172,000.

This is so much money that back in September, the police were assigned the task of going door to door to tell people about social programs available. (Never mind that those programs are being drained of monies, as social services are cut, while police budgets are increased.)

Meanwhile the fire department in Santa Rosa had only 33 million dollars available to them, at a time when the drought was a huge feature of everyday life.

So you have police getting so much money they don't know what to do with it, nor does this city even know what to do with the additional police officers the department has hired.

While fire departments, more needed than ever, shut down fire houses!

[AverageJoe90]

4. Something's going down, indeed.

There may be some reason to hope, that this may be just the start of turning this country's fortunes back around.....and maybe from this, we can see the birth of another Occupy movement, even, bigger and even better than the original.

[tridim]

5. Definitely feeling it. I'm ready.

I think we all are.

[panader0]

6. Great photos sheshe2

The one with the kid in the middle of the street is poignant.

[Kennah]

7. Revolutions are ugly, messy, violent, and brutal

Also, sometimes they are necessary and unavoidable

[Initech]

13. It may take that to overthrow the oligarchy police state that's been established.

[treestar]

117. I don't notice anyone actually doing it

There's a lot of demand that others do it. Where's the plan? Or are we going to wait for a leader?

[heaven05]

201. we have leaders

but let's not get them all assassinated this time. As long as people of conscience agitate for all people what is guaranteed under the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the Civil and Voting rights Acts, we have leaders.

[KingCharlemagne]

77. 1688 in England was pretty all-around 'glorious' (and 'bloodless'). Aside

from that one, though, I think you're right.

[muriel_volestrangler]

167. 1688 was a coup, chucking out the guy at the top, and not many other people

which I doubt is what sheshe2 is asking for.

[KingCharlemagne]

193. Well, the Glorious Revolution also made England into a constitutional monarchy (one where

the parliament called the shots), thereby helping propel England into the modern age a century earlier than its continental peers. That's nothing to sneeze at, imo, although I agree that is probably not what sheshe2 is hailing.

[woo me with science]

108. As we see here, Third Way calls for "revolution"

are weirdly limited to encouraging some sort of group emoting, while viciously and defensively resisting even the suggestion that the protests be used to pressure politicians for actual changes in predatory policies.

Sort of a nice, corporate "Revolution-Without-the-Risk-of-Any-Actual-Change" protest.

[Odin2005]

133. If voting and "peaceful" protests changed anything they would be illegal.

Things that would genuinely threaten the Ruling Class, like sit-down strikes and workers taking over businesses, are illegal because they are "violence against (capitalist) property".

[Glassunion]

126. Have some faith. They are not all that way...

1930 - India
1968 - Czechoslovakia
1974 - Portugal
1986 - Philippines
1987 - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania
1980's - Poland (Solidarity)
1989 - Germany (Fall of the Berlin Wall)
1989 - Czechoslovakia
1989 - Bulgaria
2000 - Yugoslavia
2001 - Philippines
2003 - Georgia
2004 - Ukraine
2005 - Lebanon
2005 - Ecuador

[Odin2005]

132. The notion that true change and social revolution can be peaceful is a dangerous myth.

Behind MLK's pacifism there were Malcom X and other radicals pushing violent struggle against oppression.

During the French Revolution the alternative to The Terror was Counter-Revolution.

[heaven05]

207. true

and some of those like Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X , some of the Black Panthers, Cleaver et al all were truly respected by MANY.

[Cleita]

9. Fighting each other is unproductive.

We need to expend our energy disempowering the oligarchs that are breeding these conditions. Right now I can picture them in their penthouses and mansions swilling rare cognac and laughing at us while they plan their next theft of the worlds assets.

[sheshe2]

17. Well Cletia we will agree to disagree.

What we need to do is sit the hell down and have a conversation about racism in America. That was the point of my Op.

White people have to understand that they are a huge part of the problem. They need to sit down and listen to black voices or they will never understand and we will never resolve this.

Some here are not trying to understand the point of my Op.

[sheshe2]

89. Corruption and Racist attitudes that breed that corrupt state are a problem.

Yet you and others refuse to see racism and white privilege that go hand in hand.

Yes I agree, I give up talking to people like you who can't see the truth.

[rbrnmw]

182. So do get up every morning worrying that one of your family members may get killed today?

Quit trying to derail sheshe's thread

[Cleita]

84. Racism is the result of rich plutocrats making poor people hate each other.

In the case of this country it was pitting poor white sharecroppers against poor black former slaves. That's where it started and I am oversimplifying but I think I got the basic cause here. But it's as old as Julius Caesar in Gaul getting one tribe of Gauls to fight another, while he sat back and then went in and conquered both when they were sufficiently beaten down by their own. He said, "Divide and conquer." I don't know if he actually said it. Maybe it was something handed down to him but he wrote it down and got the credit. It worked too.

Now I do agree with you that white people in North America are stubbornly deaf to the problems black people have just trying to survive. But I also believe that the constant racist dog whistles being fed to the white majority by the corrupted media and in how this country is governed and managed is coming from the 1%. I don't know how we end it but I do know what is happening.

[woo me with science]

86. Excellent post.

[marions ghost]

121. Agree totally--ye olde Divide & Conquer tactics

played by the 1%



Seeing this historical pattern does not in any way diminish my outrage at the recent atrocities we are witnessing. I am glad to see the protests--they are appropriate and justified.

[Cleita]

143. Oh I never objected to protests but we need something more

and something more permanent. My point is white people and people of color in general need to stop blaming each other, and whites are supremely guilty of this, and join together in comimon cause against the real enemies, the plutocrats.

[marions ghost]

149. Absolutely

but how do you do that, when zillions are spent to keep us all at odds? Plutocrats own the mainstream media and hate radio thrives on the ignorance of those at the lower end of the economic scale.

The protestors represent a racially mixed group saying--"No More." That is inspiring.

"Join together in common cause"--sounds good to me. But to get any attention to it, in an era of right wing government and right wing media control, what voice do we have?

Rev Al Sharpton has called for a peaceful march on Washington on Dec 13. This means all of us, not just African Americans...This is a national crisis.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/04/1349220/-Al-Sharpton-calls-for-national-march-on-Washington-We-are-dealing-with-a-national-crisis#

[sheshe2]

233. Cleita

You do know that I am white, correct?

[Cleita]

246. Why would I need to know and why would this influence my opinion of

what I have witnessed first hand over a very long lifetime? Most white people go to the head of the line in life in everything, better jobs, better schools, better neighborhoods to live in and better protection and respect by police and fire depts. in those neighborhoods. It's not rocket science. You just have to open your eyes and observe.

[Odin2005]

134. Racism and Capitalism go hand in hand.

Capitalism was built on the enslavement of blacks and the extermination of aboriginal peoples.

[Cleita]

168. I don't disagree at all.

However, capitalism is an economic system like communism is and both can flourish under different types of government and those governments kind of determine how they work whether benignly or as the devil incarnate. When either system is allowed to merge with governments is when you start really seeing the abuses.

[treestar]

118. So what's the plan?

What's step one to disempowering the oligarchs?

[Cleita]

142. Well the first step is recognizing the real enemy, the oligarchs and

some of us have done that. The next step is for everyone to join together to focus on them as the real enemy instead of trying to keep one side down who they want us to believe is the enemy while the 1% continue their plundering unobstructed.

The Occupy movement was on the right track, but the 99% are going to have to go back and rethink their war plan because the 1% showed some very ugly teeth in fighting back.

[treestar]

150. The term "enemy"

is interesting, is this going to be a revolution or have anything to do with the ballot box. Next, how is everyone to be rounded up to focus on the enemy? And then, what does focusing on the enemy mean?

[Cleita]

162. I already defined "the enemy" as the 1%.

To refine it, the one percent isn't just American interests but all the global energy, banking and worldwide military interests that operate in this country, like BP, Trans Canada, all the banking interests, Monsanto, etc.. These are all the horrors brought to us like the WTO from NAFTA and CAFTA and soon the new one on the horizon that is being pushed for, I think TPP, isn't it.

We could start with making them get out of our country. Then we need to go after our domestic oligarchies like Koch Industries and WalMart as well as many others. I think banks should go back to being allowed only to be incorporated in one state like they once were. Just so much needs to be done.

But my point in this thread is we have to unite to do this not fight each other. I hate what the cops are doing to black people. But the cops are civil service employees and often underpaid ones doing a dangerous job. Our elected representatives need to change police department cultures and we need to pressure them to do it. Then white, black, civilian or civil servant we need to join together in common cause.

Years ago when I belonged to a union, we went out on strike. This was a company that hired minorities so there were many black and hispanic employees on the picket lines. The mostly white police cruised around regularly to make sure no scabs were hurt and gave us news on negotiations. Sometimes they even brought us sodas for both white and strikers of color because it was summer and very hot. Of course they were on our side because they too were union members back then. We had common cause and that's what's needed now.

[heaven05]

211. Racism IS the problem

when whites at all levels in the 99% realize that trying to hold on to the real and divisive privilege the 1%ers have led many of you to believe that the people of color are coming to take from you, then we will have some common ground from which to work.

[Cleita]

243. Yes, it's what they use as bait.

When we overcome our problems with racism, they will find another bait. We need to deal with them directly and permanently.

[heaven05]

247. see response #245 for another thought

on this society's 'troubles'. Just something this thread and another sparked. The other was on the military doing 'maneuvers' in LA soon, the Marines to be precise

[Major Hogwash]

264. This isn't your fight, anyway.

You can sit this one out.

[Cleita]

268. All injustices are my fight and yours too.

Sitting any of them out makes you complicit in the deeds of the perpetrators.

[spanone]

12. k&r....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Just perfect. Thanks SheShe2

[Cha]

16. Well done, she.. mahalo.

[Jesus Malverde]

20. Your fantasy?

An uprising by poor people would result in a bloodbath at the hands of the police state, followed by a whole influx of business for the prison industrial complex.

[NOLALady]

29. Last time I checked,

Black Communities are in the middle of a bloodbath by the police state. And the prison industrial complex has been Big Business for quite some time.

What do the people have to lose? Decent paying jobs are Gone With The Wind. Their children are not safe. There is no justice through the Courts. What do the People Have To Lose?

[Jesus Malverde]

34. The only thing they have to lose is their life or their freedom.

We saw the cities burn in the sixties, what came of that? Shitty burned out inner cities.

My friend went to prison for looting, the state came out stronger than ever.

I would wager the police would love to try out their armored vehicles and full auto machine guns and would encourage these developments.

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[sheshe2]

38. What is so hard for you to understand.

They are already losing their lives and going to prison and being profiled.

[Jesus Malverde]

41. I don't think you have a clue as to the power of the police state.

Brothers and sisters cannon fodder for what.

Heres a basic question for you. Do you think the national security apparatus led by President Obama (FBI, Homeland security, CIA, defence intelligence agency, the regional fusion centers, etc.) are for revolution and the people or against them? Do you think they would allow a revolution to occur or would do anything in their power to crush it.

Remember President Obama is their boss, a revolution ultimately goes against him. I know we like to pretend he's only nominally in charge of the military and federal law enforcement. Its necessary cognitive dissonance because it's hard to reconcile their actions and understand they work at the behest and service of President Obama.

[sheshe2]

113. Jesus!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025911389

[heaven05]

183. These type of responses shows me the

fear of the state that a lot of the crowd here has. They have you where they want you. On your knees. So we just take what they have to dish out and say yes boss. Is that what you're saying? I was there in the 60's and if ENOUGH people say no more, by whatever means at hand, then the state does stand up and tries to put out their fires, in america that is. We have to make them address the problem(s), racism being right up there at the top of the list. Guns, militarized police or not, we still have to stand up, get off the knees and say no more to the powerthatbe. You and the rest of these deflectors, obfuscatory distractors, discounters are all so predictable when a real issue affecting a sizable minority comes up that you have NO concern about. Oh you're all very good with the 'liberal' lip service but when it comes to walking the walk, you're not present at all. You are put on notice, you and your little group of 'liberal's. You really aren't impressing anyone with you quantity of BS. There is no merit, quality or relevance to the subject at hand in your arguments. The OP is about racism, not Obama, not the police state and Obamas alleged culpability in perpetuating that state. It is about murder, execution and the reasons behind it. I truly don't think you have any firm ground to stand on. Hell, if you hate Obama so much tell me who's better that will be running or change the system and quit whining..... it's not very adult.....

[BobbyBoring]

202. "Give me liberty or give me death"

Said long ago....

[heaven05]

216. No power structure "allows" revolution

Last edited Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Remember it will get worse when the RW takes over in January and possibly, because democrats may not vote because of all the, "it makes no difference crowd", in 2016. Are you one of them? Your wording fools no one who can look past BS. I don't think you have a clue as to the courage it takes for change to happen, peacefully or otherwise....

[hopemountain]

102. yes to she2 - and the children are loosing their innocence and

living more in fear - the kind of fear children experience in war and genocide - in 2014!!

[Major Hogwash]

100. We died in WWII for your freedom.

We died in the Korea War for your freedom.
We died in the Vietnam War for your freedom.
We died in the Iraq War for your freedom.
We died in the Afghanistan War for your freedom.

Just give us our guns back while we live in the United States, so we can have a fighting chance to die for our freedom here at home!!!

That is all.

[heaven05]

217. +1000

[sheshe2]

32. Dear Gawd....My fantasy, holy shit.

You miss the whole point of my Op.

So are all black people considered poor to you? Do you think those white people that support them and hate racism are all poor? Wake up, we have been seeing the bloodbath. PoC are feeling the bloodbath that has been ongoing forever. They are dying. Police are killing them and getting away with murder.

The point, people are seeing, they are finally waking up and listening. This is not a black problem.

"It is incumbent upon all of us as Americans regardless of race, region, faith -- that we recognize this is an American problem and not just a black problem or a brown problem or a native American problem --- this is an American problem when anybody in this country is not being treated equally under the law that's a problem and it's my job as president to help solve it," Obama said at the sixth annual White House Tribal Nations Conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/obama-eric-holder-on-eric-garner/

[helpmetohelpyou]

42. You might have had me but the Obama administration is part of the problem

Don't you see that

[sheshe2]

44. How?

I do realize Obama is to blame for everything. He is to blame for racism as well? Really?

[helpmetohelpyou]

45. The militarization of police under his watch went 1000 miles an hour full speed ahead

[sheshe2]

48. So answer the question about racism.

Do you believe that White Privilege exists?

[fredamae]

127. Absolutely-yes. n/t

[Number23]

228. The slaughter of black people by police didn't begin with the militarization of police forces

[steve2470]

288. [phone] nt

[Odin2005]

135. Eric Holder is a Establishment tool, he is part of the problem.

[Nevernose]

71. Tell that to Gandhi

And all the people willing to suffer arrest and imprisonment, including me and a hell of a lot of DUers.

[heaven05]

215. When are you going to come out of your fantasyworld??????

geez I am supposed to fear because the white power structure may kill me? Hey, the white power structure has been and is killing black people in unprecedented numbers for generations. Get real. Blood is running in the streets from bullet riddled dead bodies of unarmed black people. Get real !

[helpmetohelpyou]

21. When does it start

[sheshe2]

35. It already has.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. I guess the GOP thought it would have a quiet time after the election

I blame all this on the Republican policy: guns, greed, hate and violence.

[left_of_center]

27. heh...

bet this is blowing their minds.

[helpmetohelpyou]

30. You would be wrong

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/obama-endorsed-napo_n_1703978.html



Obama Endorsed By National Association Of Police Organizations



This Administration’s unwavering support for law enforcement has meant that men and women in uniform across the country have the resources they need to do their jobs safely and efficiently, protecting the communities and citizens they serve. There are simply no better friends of law enforcement – and no stronger choice to lead this nation for another term – than President Obama and Vice President Biden.”

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. nowhere near

[helpmetohelpyou]

37. Really ????

in the last 6 years?

Police have been outfitted like they are patrolling the streets of Iraq

You want to know how that was possible? look up a few posts

[sheshe2]

46. Care to tell me about your feelings of racism in America.

And a PD full of White Privileged White Men?

[helpmetohelpyou]

49. Good tactic , try and change the subject matter

I can see you are not comfortable talking about it

[sheshe2]

51. Excuse me? That was the point of the Op.

I can see you are uncomfortable talking about it. You never addressed the Op. You only derailed.

[helpmetohelpyou]

53. Some reading for you , you might not like it but it's all true

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/obama-police-militarization_n_3566478.html


7 Ways The Obama Administration Has Accelerated Police Militarization

[Jesus Malverde]

67. Kinda like having cake and eating it too.

It's a secret that he's commander in chief of the US military and the national security state.

[woo me with science]

93. Thank you for this link.

Adding it to my list.

[heaven05]

219. Alway trying to teach with BS

and unteachable yourselves....geez What could that be classified as?

[heaven05]

218. you're changing the subject, answer her question

about white privilege, which I doubt you can.

[Odin2005]

28. It's way overdue.

We should have had a revolution 30 years ago when the Capitalists started their attack on the New Deal.

[JEB]

39. Our abusive police and Justice system

is trickle down form our MIC's "preemptive" wars for profit. Working perfectly, exactly as designed. Bloody, brutal and remorseless as any empire that ever flourished across the face of the earth. I fear we are stuck with it until it collapses under its own weight.

edit to add:
Police protect and serve the obscenely wealthy. Everyone else is a suspect. Especially if your skin tone is less than lily white.

[billhicks76]

40. Great Photos SheShe2

The revolution WILL be televised.

[ellennelle]

43. great montage!

and great sentiment!

reminds me of the 60s when all of europe was also rebelling, and it seemed like it would all change.

sigh.

not to burst your bubble, but the real revolution will not likely happen because of what we intend.

it will more likely happen because what we've been ignoring will rise up and bite us all in the butt.

meaning the planet.

the great leveling. no more oligarchy, no more overlords or underclass, so no more racism.

no one will survive unless we work together.

we have met the common enemy and he is us.

(and not to pick nits, but one of my fave old songs, but that's not its title. for what it's worth. fwiw.)

[joshcryer]

52. The police won't change, it'll take laws to change them.

The good thing is that the people have woken up.

There are hundreds of these cases every year. Yes, hundreds.

Police agencies refuse to report the cases because they don't want the FBI or DOJ to actually look at them. What needs to happen is there needs to be legislation requiring all police agencies to report all homicides by cops. This is rather simple to do, and can be passed on a bipartisan basis.

The bad thing is, is that the police won't change, and until something is done about their training and about assessing brutal police in the system, and getting rid of them, these killings will continue, and the people will protest.

[sheshe2]

55. Josh...

It has already started.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025911389

more links in my post. It started in 2011. There is more out there. To tired to find it. Holder is going to move on and do some great things, PBO...he may follow.

[joshcryer]

58. I think Holder will help get the ball rolling.

Most definitely.

But the people must keep protesting these incidents.

[sheshe2]

61. You know something josh,

I am thinking the people are not giving up and going quietly into the night this time. Is it the straw that broke the camels back? Let's hope so.

[Hekate]

54. Great post, She. Great meme, too: Let's Unfuck America!

There's still hope.
Thank you.

[canoeist52]

227. Accurate - thank you.

[zentrum]

62. OHIO by Neil Young

"Ohio" (About Kent State)

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

[PeteSelman]

63. No, it's really not.

And those hippies from the 60's? They grew up to be Reagan supporters and destroyed the country.

The reality is that the bad guys won back in the eighties. The game is over. Just try to hold on to what you have because things are never going to get better.

Sorry to be the wet mop but reality is reality. These protests aren't going to change a damn thing. America is dead.

[BlindTiresias]

87. Bingo

Sorry optimists, this is the truth.

[Bohunk68]

88. we most certainly did not grown up to be Rotten Ronnie supporters.

Broad brush much? You are not a wet mop, you just give up too easily and don't have what it takes to bring about change. You need to get a spine and get out and do something rather than be a wuss and get stepped on.

[BlindTiresias]

90. Yeah here is a list of things we can do.

1. Vote - ah damn guess not

Well shucks. Maybe the thousandth impotent and ignored protest will do it?

[Bluenorthwest]

124. Here is what Howard Zinn says. You sure won't like it....

“TO BE HOPEFUL in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.
What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.
And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.”
― Howard Zinn

[BlindTiresias]

144. Nice sentiment

But useless.

[heaven05]

224. One of my highly respected heroes.

thanks and per the other saying it's useless. Never read Zinn. Sssshhh, don't wake them up.

[Bohunk68]

266. Appreciate Howard Zinn a great deal

I'm having a strange feeling happening that I haven't felt since the 60's. There is something in the air. An undercurrent. Would love to have a Che at this point. OWS got bogged down by process. My own opinion. I thought they did great and held out for a long time. But, inspiration didn't happen. I'm feeling it now. Something is going to happen, no idea what. Change, real change. But, then I guess I'm just a dreamer. Imagine. Thanks for the Zinn post, we often despair, but then, Hope.

[Rex]

66. I never thought I would see the day.

Video evidence of cops killing someone, would be ignored. What kind of standard does that set? None.

[pothos]

69. when? where?

the most egregious shit happens and we are lucky if we can get maybe a few hundred, or at most a couple thousand in the street. when we do get more, like the iraq war protests...nothing comes of it anyway.

[starroute]

70. If we're digging out the old songs, we need Phil Ochs

[starroute]

73. Also Thunderclap Newsman's "Something in the Air"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

72. Meanwhile over at the FOX "News" website....

They're claiming Obama is coming out in support of criminals attacking cops.

Then they talk about memorials for fallen cops.

Then they claim Obama has damaged America.

Then they claim it has nothing to do with race.

[hopemountain]

99. same thing happening here up thread nt

[sheshe2]

105. Yes hope, it is.

tears~

[hopemountain]

107. ***thank you for your op*** nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

109. That's funny. Here they claim he's not Liberal enough and there they claim he's a commie.

[hopemountain]

110. striking, the similarities - what a coinkydink nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

111. The punchline is Obama is actually trying to be like every other president we've had.

[bravenak]

82. Got a good song for you.

https://m.

[sheshe2]

94. That was beautiful and just what I needed, bravenak.

Tracy Chapman. Outstanding.

[bravenak]

96. I have been on you tube all day watching videos.

I'm in the mood for political music today. I love her songs.

[Quayblue]

91. yep!!! nt

[BlindTiresias]

92. Wait, I'm confused

I thought the Democratic orthodoxy would tut tut talk of revolution of any kind?

[Ykcutnek]

97. Yep. And some people are frightened of the changes coming.

As evidenced by their willingness to discuss everything except what's contained in your OP.

White cops are killing unarmed black people. It has to stop. The President agrees. The end.

People who are trying to twist this into an attack against POTUS are not genuinely concerned about what the black community faces every day.

They want to make this about their pet issues. They are not true allies. They are jealous co-opters, who can barely scrounge up a dozen people to walk down the street for their causes and need to attach themselves, like a virus, to a real movement.

We don't need them. This movement has plenty of people who genuinely care.

[BlueCaliDem]

104. + 1000! eom

[Number23]

241. "They are not true allies." We've known this forever

We don't need them. This movement has plenty of people who genuinely care.

[hopemountain]

106. "we've got to find a way to bring some lovin here today"

thank you, she2 and the people here who acknowledge the reality of racism and do not obfuscate with agendas of smoke and mirrors.


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[aint_no_life_nowhere]

130. Absolutely positively mutha fuckin amazing song for these times

Mother, mother
There's too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There's far too many of you dying
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today, yeah

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today

Picket lines and picket sign
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me
So you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going
What's going on
What's going on

[hopemountain]

269. "save the children" song #5

thank you for the lyrics aintnolifenowhere (sic) ... the #5 song is haunting

Save the Children

I just wanna ask a question
Who really cares?
To save a world in despair
Who really cares?

There'll come a time
When the world won't be singin'
Flowers won't grow
Bells won't be ringin'

Who really cares?
Who's willing to try
To save the world
That's destined to die

When I look at the world
It fills me with sorrow
Little children today
Are really gonna suffer tomorrow

Oh what a shame
Such a bad way to live
All who is to blame
We can't stop livin'

Live, live for life
But let live everybody
Live life for the children
Oh, for the children

You see, let's, let's save the children
Let's, let's save all the children
Save the babies
Save the babies

And if you wanna love
You got love to save the babies
You will save the babies
All of the children

But who really cares?
Who's willing to try
Yes, to save a world
Yeah, save our sweet world

Save the world
That is destined to die
Oh, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
Oh, oh dig it everybody

Songwriters
Gaye, Marvin P / Benson, Renaldo / Cleveland, Alfred W

[PatrickforO]

114. Great post and excellent photos, but

the song goes:

What a field day for the heat.
A thousand people in the street.

Singing songs and carrying SIGNS
Mostly say 'hooray for our side.'

But it is time we stop.

[randr]

120. Deja Vu

You should have been in Berkeley when they mined the harbor during Viet Nam. Exact same scene and song.
The result was a massive traffic jam that imploded the marchers.
The right believes the ones with the most guns win.
I believe the ones with the most votes win.
All it takes to make this go away is for a small number more women or young voters to exercise their civic duty and vote.

[logosoco]

122. Great post!

Have always loved that song, sorry to see it is still relevant. But, here we are.
I am going to add my $.02. All perspectives help.
I think right now we are at a critical point where we can get racist people and policies to change by educating the racists that it is not skin color that makes a difference. They need to know that if they don't stand up in this fight NOW, they will be next.

I have seen small but positive changes in my community (large area, smallish population). Over the past decade or so, black people and Mexican immigrants have moved into the area. It seems to be going well, because the white people here are seeing them as hard working people, just like themselves, and the old thoughts of "but they are different" are going away. We aren't where we need to be, but it's a start in the right direction. Like Chris Rock said, it's the white people who need to make progress.

To me, that is what it takes to rid the country of racism. I am seeing some black people who have made it big (Ben Carson, Charles Barkley to name two in the news this week) who are, well, it seems to me, being very racist. This leads me to believe that it is money and power that is the main problem.

We need to teach and show people this. I know several people who are still on the bandwagon of "oh, the black people live on welfare I pay with my taxes". They don't understand that nobody can live off of welfare. They weren't paying attention when welfare reform happened. And for reasons I can't understand, they still keep saying black people aren't working, even when they go out in the world and see that they are working just the same as they are. Nobody is doing well economically, except for a tiny part of the population. And those are the ones who are, essentially, making the laws and creating the wars that the lower classes are dying in. Seems like we didn't learn that in the 60s as well as we should have.

Education is the key to ending racism. Hopefully enough people are paying attention to the folks in the streets and surely they will see that they will be next if this fight ends.

My son is teaching with the Peace Corps in Tanzania. One thing he is having to teach them (beside math and science!) is that not everyone in America is rich. To the people in Africa, they saw the picture of our brick ranch house and my sons 2001 car and they thought that was fancy! Here, we haven't even made middle class, it's always just a step away, but it is lost very easily. I don't think he will be able to adequately show them that there are a lot of people here, who, while they do have better living conditions than Africa, they don't have much power with making the laws fair and equal, without a fight. (But that's okay, he's supposed to be teaching math and science, fields that are almost naturally equal!).

Maybe I am just looking at the world too simply, but to me, the best way to end racism is to get everyone to see that we are all connected, we are all made of the same thing (this is true for both people who believe in evolution and the Bible). The more we can get poor white people to see this, and to see that they need to be in the street right now with the protesters, then MAYBE we can get this country to a place where equality for all is not a joke.

One world. One love. Not one percent.

[randr]

125. All thumbs up

[jonno99]

290. +1

[mcar]

123. Change must come

Great OP she2.

[Xyzse]

128. Amazing Picture

This one was well taken.

[polichick]

141. Great song, great post!

[Albertoo]

152. Well, yes, but there's this qualifying song ;)

"Revolution"

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait

[polichick]

177. This also comes to mind:

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

[Orsino]

148. The powerful have decided that nothing less will produce change.

They've made peaceful change nearly impossible, and that is scary.

[Dont call me Shirley]

151. Awesome post sheshe2. I love that song.

https://m.

[radiclib]

155. "Singin' songs and carrying signs"

Sorry to nitpick, but, y'know...
Great post, though.

[JEFF9K]

156. These "revolutions" result in extreme right-wingers taking power ...

NOT a good thing.

[Derek V]

158. I completely agree

So completely, in fact, that I expressed said agreement nearly five hours before you posted this thread's OP.

[PsychGrad]

159. Powerful!

Thank you for sharing!

[albino65]

160. Great post

The problem with racism is that it is always underlying the social conscientiousness. Things are no different than they were in the sixties. You are right, and shouldn't have to put up with assholes who post link after link after link as a form of rebuttal. Attention whores are all about themselves and redirecting the conversation to their liking.

[heaven05]

161. this song captures the spirit

of the times. Always has been one of my favorites from way back when. Timeless, in a fascist, racist, murderous political climate like ours now. That last election drew THE line in the sand and the import of that seems to have been missed by many, either purposefully or they are in the wishing it were not so crowd or don't care crowd.

[Blue_In_AK]

163. No, it isn't.

I've been imagining a revolution for roughly 45 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not going to.

[marym625]

172. Awesome Sheshe2

[BlancheSplanchnik]

173. !!

I'd like to stop male terror...
It's always the people with the testosterone doing the shit.

We ALL, worldwide, need to stand together against the "might makes right " people.

[Dont call me Shirley]

174. The song on the post wouldn't play...here's another version

http://vimeo.com/96125019

[muriel_volestrangler]

175. Link for the ANSWER Coalition, sheshe2

http://www.answercoalition.org/

Are you supporting "Rights lawyers condemn Obama appointment" now?

The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) condemned President Obama’s appointment of Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey, former chief of D.C. police from 1998 to 2007, to co-lead a presidential task force on militarized police tactics and equipment. The task force will develop a draft executive order on “21st Century Policing” within 90 days.

Ramsey, who was also recently brought in as a consultant for the Ferguson PD after the unrest in that city, has a record marked by excessive force, false arrests, and complete disregard for constitutional rights.

“If the President’s idea of reforming policing practices includes mass false arrests, brutality, and the evisceration of civil rights, then Ramsey’s his man. That’s Charles Ramsey’s legacy in D.C.,” said Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the PCJF. “President Obama should immediately rescind his appointment of Commissioner Ramsey, who is a mass violator of civil rights and civil liberties.”

Carl Messineo, PCJF Legal Director, stated: “For civil liberties advocates, Chief Ramsey became synonymous with militarized and repressive policing. If this task force is under his command it does not stand a chance of substantially changing the status quo. Keeping Ramsey as the leader of the task force will demonstrate that President Obama is only seeking to provide window dressing rather than to create meaningful reforms.”

http://www.answercoalition.org/rights_lawyers_condemn_obama_appointment

This is very relevant to your OP, since it's an ANSWER banner you've put up. Is Ramsey part of the revolution, or the status quo?

[heaven05]

191. bookmarked, thank you

will peruse soon.

[WillyT]

184. K & R !!!

[Calista241]

186. In three weeks it will be Christmas, 1/2 the country will have forgotten and nobody will give a shit.

There's no leader of a movement to rally around and direct actions and policy like there was with MLK.

The United States would still be a part of the British Empire without men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin. African Americans would still be second class citizens and suffer under the Jim Crow laws without courageous men like Martin Luther King that led a movement. MLK, one of the greatest men in American history, was killed for trying to change America, and still the civil rights movement very nearly failed to become reality.

I know people here like to say Occupy and other such movements are led by the people and not a specific leader, but this is the real world and that's not how things get done.

I wish i could say i see real change in the future, but sadly I don't have the confidence many people here seem to possess. And I really don't think there will be any kind of armed revolution in the near future.

[heaven05]

188. sheshe, you are on firm ground

you are principled and correct in your request that the subject of the OP is talked about and discussed and NOTHING else. The rest of the ego driven drivel is just that. Good work, people have your back because you are correct. Racism, I think will destroy this country way before anything else will. It is one important tool used by the RW as a wedge between us all. on edit: Powerful and influential white people are trying to withdraw the privilege of voting, corrupt system or not, from many hundreds of thousands of people of color. I have a scar on my head from a police billy club from agitating for my right to vote decades ago. I will not let this current obvious turn toward racial hate by hundreds of thousands, maybe more, espousing inferiority of people of color as a reason. All these on here that show by their transparent and obvious lip service to the real problem of widespread white racism show that they don't really care and are only able to whine and squeal they do. I watched and listened to them for decades and frankly I don't really care for them much. What's happening in the black community now has been around for decades and if enough people would have stood before against these vicious RW racist reactionaries and stayed vigilant, we would not have the problem of widespread white racism cropping up again. I will not let them take my right to vote away. I will not let them take my right to my manhood away and I will not let the shoot me down in the streets like a dog without a fight. Keep up the good fight you are on the side of righteousness. Period.

[deaniac21]

189. singin songs that they carry inside

swing and a miss on this lyric.

signin songs and a carrying signs

[calimary]

190. Like this, sheshe2!

That song still rings true. I was a teenager when it was a hit. MAN did it speak to us then. Good to see it's still relevant, but also VERY sad, frustrating, and infuriating at the same time.

I keep thinking of that young woman with the sign...

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[malaise]

203. Now that we can all produce the news

those who want to know are aware that shit has been going on in many places.
In Florida tonight they have demonstrattiond fo Brown and Garner but also for a graffiti artist tha police killed some time ago.
I'm lovin' it - hope it spreads across the globe.

[napkinz]

213. wow

very powerful!

(you could use those pics with the music/lyrics and make your own video)

[DemandsRedPill]

226. ahh! the great buffalo springfield

I remember these times well

The banners and protests and long hair

Yes a first person front seat

But if only your optimism were better founded

The odds of this country seeing anything even closely resembling a revolution are slim to none

If the first line of defense is to petition your representatives for redress of grievances and I cannot so much as even see someone show up at the local political functions let alone raise their voices above a whisper as they 'debate' the latest useless 'brain fodder' supplied by mainstream media and then parroted by those 'UN-incumbered by the thought process' how could I feel I will somehow see a real ground swell and revolt.

Oh say it is so that finally we will all rise up and at least demand some redress for what is called 911 and its associated travesties of justice and common sense

But no we slept while that one grew stale and 'so yesterday'

All will be calm
All will be silent

In simple terms it's 'no one really has the time or inclination to even give a shit yet alone throw it at someone in protest'

[heaven05]

234. really a great thread

because it really got people off their asses and made them come out on the porch to see what all the ruckus was about.

[genwah]

248. Umm...about that " This could be the Revolution of our lifetime"? Been there, got

the shirt. My sign has been, on more than one occasion,"I can't believe I'm still protesting the same shit!" Same song too, thanks for digging it up.

Sorry, we let you down. We weren't supposed to be fighting this fight again. We weren't supposed to be fighting stupid wars anymore. We did worse than fail, we sold out for track lighting and VCRs and SUVs and 30 years of propaganda. Our bad, sorry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still out on the streets, still doing what I can. But the deck is stacked so much more against us now than it was when I was in high school. My hope is that you're right, that this could be a capital "R" Revolution. Never mind the trolls up above. The Movement lives as long as we remember that we are right. Morally right. Here's a voice that says what the Panthers, SCLC and, hell, the Yippies would understand and agree with:

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Link if the embed doesn't work

[Z_California]

249. Question

When are mainstream Democratic politicians gonna get behind this "revolution"? Because I'm not seeing it. Seems like this so-called free trade deal is on the front burner right now. Maybe that will help the victims of discrimination right?

Right.

[raven mad]

250. The most powerful, heart wrenching post I've read in a long, long time.

I hoped I never have to see one again. REVOLUTION!!!!

[classof56]

253. Thanks, sheshe

One of my favorites--For What It's Worth. Listened to it a lot back in the Viet Nam protest days. Got to me then, gets to me now.

Keep the faith!

[Zorra]

258. Awesome. Hasta la victoria siempre!

[bettyellen]

262. Inspiring! Thank you SS2, for bringing inspiring back to GD GD!

[Recursion]

265. I hope not. Revolutions usually make things worse (nt)

[flvegan]

282. Can someone actually explain the OP?

I get the emotion, I do. But how is "it" whatever that is, unexplained by the OP, going to be a "FUCKING REVOLUTION" exactly?

And how does this/that "unfuck America" as I'm intrigued?

[sheshe2]

284. Sure.

The first group of pictures are police in Ferguson bombing the hell out of it's citizens, army style for peaceful protesters, remember Fallujah? This is not a war. They are stalking and killing black men. And they are getting away with murder. Wilson murdered Michael Brown. that is what this is about.

The second set.

Am I next? Black children and men ask that question after the rash of murders since then.

The last set is the protests that are happening across this country. Stop killing black men. Stop the bloody racist attacks and excessive force.

[slipslidingaway]

286. Comparing Ferguson to Fallujah ...

a bit of a stretch don't you think?

And is there no justice for the millions of people in Iraq that were affected by our war of aggression? Are we just supposed to 'look forward?"

[sheshe2]

315. Has there been justice for the men of color in the US?

No. There has not. They have been denied justice time and time again. Police win, unarmed men die. Again and again and again.

[slipslidingaway]

316. No there has not been and there never will be when we turn a blind eye to people of color

in other nations.

Everyone matters, no matter what nation of birth, until we see and respect all people, we'll never respect all of our citizens.

[sheshe2]

317. How about we start it at home and then make it right for the rest of the world.

Native Americans and African Americans have been waiting here for hundreds of years for justice. Hundred plus years. Let's start what needs to be done here. Then we can move it along. If you are unwilling to do it for your neighbor you will never care about that person overseas.

[slipslidingaway]

318. This is not an either or type situation ...

when we have a president, and his followers, or are able to overlook the suffering of millions of others who have had their fate altered by our hand. We cannot make it right for the people in our country if we dismiss the suffering of others.

EVERY PERSON matters, I am not going to single out those who were born in our country as being special while our country kills children in other countries. Sure start at home, but not while we make millions of orphans in other countries and say 'we need to look forward' and turn a blind eye to what Bush did and how it will impact our country for decades! That is just BS and just bowing to corporate interests.

Does that make sense, or do you think that being born in the USA carries a higher weight and we can disrupt and kill at will other people because they were born in another country? Do you think that suspecting all boys over 14 or 15 as being terrorists in Fallujah is a good policy? You made the comparison between Fallujah and Missouri.

We agree, but I am not buying into the idea that treating people in one country dramatically different from ours advances the cause for all people.

"If you are unwilling to do it for your neighbor you will never care about that person overseas."

Exactly and we need to acknowledge the fact that (a neighbor can live outside the US) instead Obama said we need we need to look forward when it comes to the atrocities we committed in Iraq, why is it different for atrocities committed at home. They are all people, unless you are willing to take a stand for all people everywhere, you'll never find justice. That is my point, you need to broaden your view IMHO.

[steve2470]

289. awesome OP, keep it kicked! nt

[Number23]

291. I concur!

[steve2470]

292. .....

[Leopolds Ghost]

294. bump

[sheshe2]

298. Kick

[sheshe2]

299. Kick

[sheshe2]

300. Kick

[Bobbie Jo]

314. kick

[rhett o rick]

319. The revolution will be world wide. Brussels burns as more than 100,000 protesters clash with police

during march against EU austerity measures

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2824057/Brussels-burns-100-000-protesters-clash-police-march-against-EU-austerity-measures.html#ixzz3ZBDQIbBr

All around the world common people are revolting against the oppressive forces of their governments.

[sheshe2]

320. Good.

Thank you for the link, Rhett.

[Gothmog]

321. K&R

[sheshe2]

322. Lol

I was wondering who kicked this up.

Happy Holidays to you and yours.