With GOP In Control U Will Get - Lower Taxes On Rich/Higher Taxes On Rest/Shredded Safety Net.

[TheMastersNemesis]

It is a good Thanksgiving for the super rich. Thanks to all the assholes, idiots, bigots, racists, ignorant and stupid who voted GOP. And even these "don't have a pot to piss in voters" will lose more jobs and more income. And the rest of us who know the GOP is a bunch of Kochsuckers and will suffer as well.

All you have to do is look at the new tax bill now floating in the lame duck Congress.

[DetlefK]

1. Here's how it will go down:

The GOP will hit Reid for proposing taking away tax-cuts from families while giving them to the rich in the lameduck-session.

And once they are in, they will do exactly the same.

[jwirr]

2. Yeah, for personal reasons I am not in a Happy Thanksgiving mood and the prospect of the future

is not making me any happier.

[JEB]

3. The GOP makes little effort

to conceal their agenda. They just keep spouting Ronny Raygun's bullshit and certain voters just love gobbling it up. Throw in a dash of voter suppression, triangulating Dems, vote flipping machines and viola. I hope the veto pen has lots of ink in it. Otherwise, this country is fucked. More war, tax cuts for obscenely rich, destruction of New Deal.

[dembotoz]

4. yep

[99Forever]

5. Well perhaps...

.. if the Democrats had actually addressed We the People's PROBLEMS when they were handed complete control, instead of capitulating and worrying about offending "our friends on the other side of the aisle" they might be looking at different results. Thanks Blue Dogs, DLCers, "NewDems", and Third Wayers. WTG, snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory.

[Thinkingabout]

6. If we had more voters in 2014 it would have been Democrats elected and re-elected, ergo working on

getting Congress back in control of the Democrats. You need to blame the non voters also.

[TheKentuckian]

9. Proof positive that none are so blind ad those who refuse to see

Did you even read what you replied to?

What is so difficult to process about that you can not even run on "lesser of two evils" when the stupid morons actually running refuse to call the other fuckwits evil and worse run races based on obscuring any possible difference. All they tell voters is that their opposition is actually right and that they are by definition wrong and more that they are ASHAMED of our party and values while the opponent is resolute and steadfast in stating we are the problem.

The electoral strategy is literally insane and the message self defeating. It is only the stone cold awfulness of the TeaPubliKlans that gives us any chance at all. Our idiots have lied, talked in circles, triangulated, and me too'ed us into destroying any and all credibility to the point the fucking Teabags are more trusted on Social Security now.

[Thinkingabout]

10. Just what have I refused to see, evil, just who is evil, I vote, ergo I can bitch, you can call

whatever names you want, refuse to see the real problem, glaze over facts, blame those who may not be as far left as you are, it does not fix the problem. Are you for ignoring the need for raising the minimum wage, upset at the disparity in wages from the working people compared the executives?

[TheKentuckian]

15. I think you are still tripping and stumbling around the point that we do not run to attract those

votes you think you are entitled to but actually seem to think they are naturally yours and we'll earned but folks are just too lazy to provide to you.

It is not winning strategy nor do the actual contestants support your central motivation but instead swear to meet great evil in the middle or try to out flank them on the right. Your vision is a partisan delusion.

[Thinkingabout]

16. You may just be confused or cognitive dissonance has over ruled the reality of facts.

[TheKentuckian]

23. What cognitive dissonance do you refer to? What do you theorize is my conflict here?

[Thinkingabout]

24. Yep, confused, maybe you will stumble into the truth.

[TheKentuckian]

25. About what?

[Thinkingabout]

29. Partional disillusion, we need increase in minimun wages, the income disparity

Are facts.

[TheKentuckian]

34. Yes, we need to raise wages, not just the bottom ones. Yes, there is great income disparity

I defy you you to point out a time I have ever stated anything to the contrary.

I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say "partional" delusion nor will you clearly articulate either what you think is causing cognitive dissonance (in fact, I'm not sure you even know what it means based on your use here) nor why you theorized I am confused.

I'm beginning to assume I'm being Palinated.

[Thinkingabout]

36. I know exactly what cognitive dissonance means and i see this occurring over and over.

I read the same untruths over and over, appears to work over and over, when returning the facts it seems as their eyes and ears glaze over and guess what, in the next thread or so it comes again.

[TheKentuckian]

37. What is the conflict here then, this is the 2nd time you've been asked.

[woo me with science]

8. Thank you. This continuing fantasy that we are not dealing

with corporate money and corruption driving policy on both sides of the aisle is beyond absurd.

Our corporate oligarchy is now busily and deliberately resurrecting Republicans. I have never seen such a relentless campaign by corporate Democrats to depress the Democratic vote as we saw this year, from the refusal to develop a positive message for the election, to the relentless online campaigns to insult and demoralize the base, to the "Accept Doom" email campaign for the midterms.

They want a Republican in next time. I think the constant and deliberate betrayals by corporate Democrats have woken up too many people to the reality that we have united oligarchy rather than divided democracy...and that is dangerous to them. I think they hope to put Republicans back into power so that all the fake, corporate Democrats can pretend to be upset by these policies again.

That way, people might fall for the old con game of believing again that our only problem is that we have Republicans in power. We can forget all this silly talk about oligarchy and the need for fundamental change, because our only problem will be that we need to get Republicans out of power and the Third Way Democrats back in.

It's united oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.

They *really* don't want us to notice this:


US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024819356

Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons? Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.

[Thinkingabout]

11. There are many many people who are not on your bandwagon who thinks the minimun wage should be

raised, sees the disparity of wages between workers and executives, don't like tax cuts continually going to the rich, maybe you don't know what the Third Way is pushing, you have the same old story, it is not going to get any further unless there are enough people getting out to the polls to elect Democrats who does fight for the middle class. This isn't a fantasy world, the trickle down economics did not work but we don't have the power in Congress to change things, this is where change happens. You rant and rave about corporations and then the non voters allow republicans to be elected to protect the positions of the rich.

[socialist_n_TN]

7. Yep. There IS a possibility that.......

a few hundred thousand people "occupying" DC in front of Congress for an indefinite period of time might make a difference though. At least it might scare them. Nothing else at this point in time has a snowball's chance in hell of changing this scenario.

[Thinkingabout]

12. Try electing Democrats to replace the GOP members in congress. You can sit in front of DC for eons,

if you don't have members in Congress to change the rules it will remain the same.

[socialist_n_TN]

13. Yep you've convinced me that nothing will change with Congress.....

Sounds like a socialist revolution is the only chance at change.

[Thinkingabout]

17. You can run on your socialist revolution, sitting in DC and when that does not change the bills

enacted in Congress try this " Try electing Democrats to replace the GOP members in congress.", this is not an example of doing nothing.

[socialist_n_TN]

19. Sure it is when the election of Democrats STILL means nothing is done....

Most of the Dem power structure is involved and part of the neo-liberal ideology that's killing the working class and poor too. So clearly "...electing Democrats to replace the GOP members in congress" is not working either.

So I guess I'll continue to "run on" about the ONLY thing that actually has a chance at changing things. Highly ironic and telling that this shit REALLY started to build after the fall of the USSR. Even though it was a degenerated workers' state, the USSR at least made a pretense of being on the side of the worker rather than the owners. That was apparently enough to keep capitalism a little bit under control. With the USSR gone and all of the owners and their toadies in the political class, IN BOTH PARTIES, buying into neo-liberal capitalism, the bosses are free to do whatever the fuck they want to the rest of us. Sounds to me like we need something akin to the USSR to force the capitalists into behaving. Ergo a socialist revolution, but this time along Trotskyist lines.

[Thinkingabout]

20. How many votes does one have sitting outside in DC, why should the Congressional members

worry about issues you have, they know two thirds of the eligible voters does not vote, they don't care what your issues are. The power is in the voting in Congress. With the TP standing opposite from your group, they are increasing their votes in Congress and they don't care about the 90%.

[socialist_n_TN]

21. Which is why I support "extra-electoral" remedies and .......

if they involve the 2nd Amendment, so be it.

[Thinkingabout]

22. What does extra-electoral remedies got to do wirh voting on Congression

Members or the congressional members voting on bills?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. A revolution may be necessary, but voting for the LESSOR of two evils IN THE MEANTIME

makes perfect sense to me.

The only reason I wouldnt is if I wanted to throw a temper tantrum.

[socialist_n_TN]

31. I don't believe I ever said not to vote.......

That's a basic (small "d&quot democratic right that any Bolshevik would support. What I'm saying is that voting, and ESPECIALLY only voting alone, in times like these when even this basic democratic right is under attack and subversion by the RW, voting won't actually get things done.

Small "d" democratic rights are supposed to give people a choice to vote for candidates that REPRESENT them and their ideas and policies for the organization of society. As witnessed by the last election, the people will NOT be represented for the next couple of years at LEAST. And judging by the history of voting in the last few decades, even after the next two years, the people will not be represented. Ergo, the people's voice WILL need to be heard elsewhere than in Congress.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

32. Agreed...I do worry about the 2nd amendment comment, we have to make sure we try

ABSOLUTELY everything else first and we have to have everybody on our side or close to everybody, and if we do have everybody then you wont need violence.

[socialist_n_TN]

35. Not time for the 2nd Amendment solutions, I agree....

just like it's not even time for a revolution. Revolutions have definite signs and conditions that haven't been fulfilled yet. But it's coming closer.

The 2nd Amendment comment was just to let folks know that I'm not a pacifist. I believe in self-defense and I extend my belief in self-defense to my class. Even on the subject of revolution and violence, I've always said that the amount of violence in any revolution will be directly proportional to the amount of violence the ruling class uses to prevent the system change that is so needed.

I'm a Trotskyist, not an anarchist or an adventurist.

Edited to add: BTW, I love your choice of a picture for your posting name. Malcolm was one of my early heroes. I was 15 when he died and I still remember it.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

14. 2/3rds right, 1/3rd wrong - I don't think the GOP will increase taxes on the poor.

What I suspect they would do, at least in the short term, is cut taxes massively, cut spending a little but not as much as they'd like to, and watch the deficit skyrocket again.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Check your history on GOP increasing taxes on the poor, What the GOP is interested in is lowering

taxes on the rich, they don't want those more able to pay a higher rate of taxes. Electing Congressional member who wants to continue the trickle down economics is bad for middle income Americans. I vote for a reason.

[yeoman6987]

26. It depends on the President.

With the VETO, he is extremely powerful his last two years. What is passed is only what he wants passed. It actually is a good position to be in. No crazy bills will be signed in the next two years.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

28. I trust Obama NOT to sign crazy shit...and crazy shit is all he will see

[lonestarnot]

30. Yeah we are about to get a two year fucking. What does the tax bill look like?

Increase loopholes for inversions or another richie rich cut?

[Ward]

33. So basicly what you're saying is that things will remain pretty much the same as they are now

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