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Jello Biafra

(439 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:51 PM Apr 2012

Leaked Video: Live Goats' Legs Cut Off With Tree Trimmers

Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:40 PM - Edit history (2)

Leaked Video: Live Goats' Legs Cut Off With Tree Trimmers

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO....IF YOU CLICK THE LINK GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE...THERE IS A PETITION TO SIGN....

Upper left is the article in question.

Click that link.

You will be directed to the page--go to the bottom and click "Sign The Petition"

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Each year, more than 10,000 live animals are shot, stabbed, mutilated, and killed in horrific military training exercises that are supposed to simulate injuries on the battlefield. But the training exercises that are taking place in these highly secret courses bear no resemblance to real battlefield conditions—and they don't help soldiers save the lives of their injured comrades.

In disturbing, never-before-seen undercover video footage leaked to PETA showing a Coast Guard training course in Virginia Beach, Virginia, instructors with a company called Tier 1 Group, which was hired by the military, are seen breaking and cutting off the limbs of live goats with tree trimmers, stabbing the animals, and pulling out their internal organs. Goats moan and kick during the mutilations—signs that they had not received adequate anesthesia.

During this cruel exercise, one Tier 1 Group instructor is heard cheerfully whistling on the video as he cuts off goats' legs and a Coast Guard participant callously jokes about writing songs about mutilating the animals.

Later in the day, according to the distraught whistleblower who came to PETA, goats were shot in the face with pistols and hacked apart with an ax while still alive.

Cruel exercises like these continue regularly across the U.S. even though most civilian facilities and many military facilities have already replaced animal laboratories with superior lifelike simulators that breathe, bleed, and even "die."

The Army's own Rascon School of Combat Medicine at Fort Campbell does not use animals in its training program and has even publicly stated that "[t]raining on [simulators] is more realistic to providing care for a person than training on animals." The Air Force's Center for Sustainment of Trauma and Readiness Skills and the Navy Trauma Training Center also do not use animals to train soldiers.

Department of Defense regulations actually require that alternatives to animals be used when available, but this policy is not being enforced.

Unlike mutilating and killing animals, training on simulators allows medics and soldiers to practice on accurate anatomical models and repeat vital procedures until all trainees are confident and proficient. Studies show that medical care providers who learn trauma treatment using simulators are better prepared to treat injured patients than those who are trained using animals. A leading surgeon with the U.S. Army even candidly admitted in an internal e-mail obtained by PETA that "there still is no evidence that [training on animals] saves lives."

For all these reasons, the Battlefield Excellence through Superior Training (BEST) Practices Act (H.R. 1417), which would phase out the U.S. military's use of live animals in trauma training courses in favor of modern non-animal methods, has been introduced in Congress.

Please help improve military training and spare the thousands of animals who are tormented each year in these cruel exercises by using the form below to send polite e-mails to U.S. Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security officials urging them to take immediate action to comply with federal regulations and completely replace the use of animals in military trauma training with superior non-animal training methods.

https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=4087 ( WARNING: GRAPHIC MATERIAL)

Please support H.R. 1417...animals should not have to suffer......

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Leaked Video: Live Goats' Legs Cut Off With Tree Trimmers (Original Post) Jello Biafra Apr 2012 OP
There is no fuckin' way I'm going to watch that. Lil Missy Apr 2012 #1
I'll take your word for it dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #2
Is there a link where we can sign a petition? WhoIsNumberNone Apr 2012 #3
I know I don't . I am an animal rights advocate RebelOne Apr 2012 #5
I'm not a PETA supporter and I despise animal cruelty. Zalatix Apr 2012 #6
You can go to that link...at the bottom is a petition the video wont start unless you click on it... Jello Biafra Apr 2012 #4
PEOPLE!!! YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH TO SIGN THE PETITION BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #19
I can't watch this. I have 10 goats who are very dear to me. kaiden Apr 2012 #7
I can't watch it either, it's horrible. But, kick .. & signed. polly7 Apr 2012 #8
Signed and shared. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #9
OMG!! WHY?? There's no way I'm watching that...I need to be able to eat and sleep. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #10
NO NEED TO WATCH THE VIDEO, FOLKS! Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #11
I was NOT going to click on this post - but I want everyone to DO SOMETHING to Casandia Apr 2012 #12
When will the world realize that our military efforts are killing the planet? Gregorian Apr 2012 #13
+1 freshwest Apr 2012 #21
I really detest these kinds of posts. Whisp Apr 2012 #14
Why do you "detest" it? bayareamike Apr 2012 #36
the images triggered in the description Whisp Apr 2012 #42
One can only hope that karma comes back to haunt these people. gtar100 Apr 2012 #15
Meh... the video is not all as bad as people seem to be indicating... OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #16
Signed life long demo Apr 2012 #17
Mother of god what a horrendous act LaurenG Apr 2012 #18
signed petition k&r nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #20
The fact of the matter is that vivisection of any sort is a moral outrage. MadHound Apr 2012 #22
Ever taken mammalian physiology? Or vertebrate zoology? Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #46
Those who won't go there for fear of seeing this crap, disable java script and it won't show. freshwest Apr 2012 #23
I think this kind of thing is done Mz Pip Apr 2012 #24
I agree, it is done to create "soldiers". nt siligut Apr 2012 #38
Lord above. flvegan Apr 2012 #25
DONE! Here's how to sign WITHOUT SEEING THE VIDEO BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #26
thx...I've modifed the original posting to reflect your instructions... Jello Biafra Apr 2012 #28
oh thank you!! I'm very glad BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #33
time to start calling 'military contractors' what they really are: mercenaries Tax Man Apr 2012 #27
K&R rudycantfail Apr 2012 #29
horrible horrible Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #30
What kind of people do they get to do this? Canuckistanian Apr 2012 #31
you truly ask the crucial question. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #32
A better question is why would the Coast Guard do this. n/t gkhouston Apr 2012 #35
Signed, could not watch the video. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #34
I'd only watch it if Keith were showing it PatrynXX Apr 2012 #37
The video is nothing. Mendocino Apr 2012 #39
Someone alerted on this post as "shock content" jsmirman Apr 2012 #40
Most emphatically signed... WillParkinson Apr 2012 #41
Signed. felix_numinous Apr 2012 #43
K&R. Done and passed on... Rhiannon12866 Apr 2012 #44
Signed. onestepforward Apr 2012 #45
K&R. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #47
I'm not a proud American. We are creating sociopath killing machines. firehorse Apr 2012 #48

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
5. I know I don't . I am an animal rights advocate
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:06 PM
Apr 2012

and a PETA supporter. Can you now see why PETA crusades against animal cruelty?

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
6. I'm not a PETA supporter and I despise animal cruelty.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:08 PM
Apr 2012

Aside from my love of cheeseburgers, at this point I find myself wondering why I don't just join.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. PEOPLE!!! YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH TO SIGN THE PETITION
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:05 PM
Apr 2012

Hi Jello....People probably won't see this, since apparently no one is smart enough to read your entire post, and understand the clear explanation that you can sign with watching..... SORRY TO BE INSULTING, PEOPLE, BUT I AM SO ANGRY that no one's signing the petition because they're afraid to click the link....

I am SO ANGRY!!!! READ goddammit!!!!!!



there has to be a way to make it clear to people that they need to sign the petition, and clicking the link WON'T force them to watch!!!!!!

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
11. NO NEED TO WATCH THE VIDEO, FOLKS!
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:25 PM
Apr 2012

I was able to get to the petition without viewing the video -- please, this is too important!

Casandia

(649 posts)
12. I was NOT going to click on this post - but I want everyone to DO SOMETHING to
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:25 PM
Apr 2012

STOP THIS !!!!

And now I am going to cry....

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. When will the world realize that our military efforts are killing the planet?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:45 PM
Apr 2012

I signed the petition. Oh, please stop what you're doing SATAN. Like hell they're going to stop. I can hear them now. Go away hippy.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
14. I really detest these kinds of posts.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:48 PM
Apr 2012

I won't watch the video but even the description makes me want to bring up.

yes, we all know there are evil people out there that do some horrific things. I don't have to bathe in it every friggen day to realize that.

bayareamike

(602 posts)
36. Why do you "detest" it?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:38 PM
Apr 2012

This post (and others like it) is doing a good thing: it's spreading knowledge about disgusting, inhumane practices. No one is suggesting you "bathe in it"; no one forced you to come into the thread.


I'm just confused why you detest this post. Your frustration is misguided. It should be aimed at those perpetrating these cruelties, not those spreading info about them.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
42. the images triggered in the description
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:57 PM
Apr 2012

I feel physically ill when I come across stuff like that by surprise. I suppose it's just an overdose of violence and cruelty in movies and in real life for some but I just can't handle that.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
15. One can only hope that karma comes back to haunt these people.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:57 PM
Apr 2012

How else will such callous behavior be fixed? These people are absolutely sick in their minds yet our culture treats people like that as normal simply because they don't do it to people (or admit to it). But this is not normal, it's a sign of a psychological disorder and insanity.

If humanity is judged by our treatment of animals, we don't deserve to survive.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
22. The fact of the matter is that vivisection of any sort is a moral outrage.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:08 PM
Apr 2012

Yet it continues to happen at the most prestigious medical schools in this country. Like cutting a dog open is really going to give a med student any sort of experience in what a human abdominal cavity looks like.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
46. Ever taken mammalian physiology? Or vertebrate zoology?
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:05 AM
Apr 2012

I did. We operated on animals in mammalian physiology lab, and the professor told us that if we did not give them adequate anesthesia, or stole any drugs, we would be disciplined and probably expelled on the recommendation of the biology department professor who taught the course.

This was in undergrad, but it was a medical school course.

As far as the organs of any mammal, they tend to look a lot like human organs. All land mammals have the same bones, muscles, nerves and organs, with a few very minor differences, but they may change shape somewhat.

(B.A. in Biology from the best pre-medical school in the state-that's why I ended up taking med school courses in undergrad that were quite difficult.)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. Those who won't go there for fear of seeing this crap, disable java script and it won't show.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:18 PM
Apr 2012

I never see a video, listen to audio or see a picture without giving permission.

Download NoScript for your Firefox browser. It's clean, not a virus or worm.

There was no video when I went there. NoScript blocked it.

It makes being online a better experience. Oddly enough, I got when there was a PETA advertisement on DU a while back and a lot of people were upset. So a DU member read our complaints and suggested it.

Mz Pip

(27,449 posts)
24. I think this kind of thing is done
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:23 PM
Apr 2012

to desensitize soldiers to battle. If they can learn to hack up a screaming goat, it makes it easier to take it to the next level.

And given some of the photos that have immerged from Afghanistan and Iraq, it works.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
26. DONE! Here's how to sign WITHOUT SEEING THE VIDEO
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:33 PM
Apr 2012

CLICK THE INK that Jello has provided.

Upper left is the article in question.

Click that link.

You will be directed to the page--go to the bottom and click "Sign The Petition"

 

Tax Man

(104 posts)
27. time to start calling 'military contractors' what they really are: mercenaries
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:35 PM
Apr 2012

who act like mercenaries

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
31. What kind of people do they get to do this?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:59 PM
Apr 2012

Seriously, if someone told me to mutilate an animal, I'd tell them to get stuffed.

What kind of a person does this willingly and even cheerfully? And they live among us?

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
37. I'd only watch it if Keith were showing it
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:53 PM
Apr 2012

like Sarah Palin talking in front of the turkey killing machine. do'h..... there's always the ad that comes on during Animal Cops. Fork lift meets cow. and they want to make such videos a felony. o_O

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
39. The video is nothing.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:14 PM
Apr 2012

Outrage over this is fine and dandy, but millions of animals suffer far, far more than this to provide cheeseburgers eggs bacon and McNuggets to the masses.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
40. Someone alerted on this post as "shock content"
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

They got me as a juror.

I signed this verdict.

Shock content... show yourself, coward.

Oh, and I signed the petition, too, of course. The military has been doing unnecessary trauma testing for waaaaaay too long. Add in some despicable cruelty - fantastic.

My beloved University of Michigan was doing unnecessary animal-based trauma testing which caused me great distress, but I was pleased that they decided to cancel those testing programs.

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