You Mean Rand Paul Doesn't Really Give A Damn About Civil Liberties & Will Say Or Do ANYTHING?

[kpete]

“He could have voted against the bill on final passage. That would have been a completely different thing than shutting down the debate,” said Laura Murphy of the American Civil Liberties Union, one of Paul’s strongest allies on the issue. Both have filed lawsuits against the NSA surveillance programs.

This type of criticism may become a recurring theme as Paul’s presidential campaign blossoms — the purist libertarian beliefs that built the Paul brand are going to keep crashing into traditional Republican standards, especially on national security.

His “no” vote on NSA reform even raised suspicions that Paul just didn’t want to have the debate.

“Even if Senator Paul had problems with the text he still should have voted to advance the bill, offer an amendment to fix his problem, and then vote against the final bill if it wasn’t adopted,” said Mark Jaycox of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. By voting against the procedural motion, he said, “Senator Paul made clear that he didn’t even want to debate the bill.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/rand-paul-nsa-libertarians-113042.html
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/11/20/american-rand-stand-cont/

[Orsino]

1. I think Paul has spoken the truth a few times.

But I'm not aware of any occasion on which he ever followed through.

[Mass]

2. You mean that Rand Paul is an opportunist who will not hesitate to change his opinion to show

the establishment he can be trusted for a presidential run. shocking.

[Autumn]

3. Obama Admin Considered Ending NSA Phone Records Program In '09, Opted Not To

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-considered-ending-nsa-phone-surveilance

WASHINGTON (AP) — Years before Edward Snowden sparked a public outcry with the disclosure that the National Security Agency had been secretly collecting American telephone records, some NSA executives voiced strong objections to the program, current and former intelligence officials say. The program exceeded the agency's mandate to focus on foreign spying and would do little to stop terror plots, the executives argued.

The 2009 dissent, led by a senior NSA official and embraced by others at the agency, prompted the Obama administration to consider, but ultimately abandon, a plan to stop gathering the records.

The secret internal debate has not been previously reported. The Senate on Tuesday rejected an administration proposal that would have curbed the program and left the records in the hands of telephone companies rather than the government. That would be an arrangement similar to the one the administration quietly rejected in 2009.





Fuck Rand Paul. He is an irrelevant piece of shit.

[Liberal_Dog]

4. Rand Paul Has No Principles Whatsoever

He thinks he can please everyone by being a libertarian when it is convenient and a traditional values Christian when that is convenient.

In the end, Paul will end up pleasing no one and he will wind up on the scrap heap.

[dilby]

5. They should not have included a Provision that extended the Patriot Act.

I am not even sure why people liked this bill, it would have been a decent Bill except for the Patriot Act extension which is bullshit. In my opinion the bill was Ice Cream with flecks of poop in it, no matter how you try to spin it you are still eating shit.

[jeff47]

9. They liked the bill because it stopped NSA's bulk data collection.

To get the "OMG TERRORISTS!!!!" caucus on board, they extended part of the patriot act by two years.

[dilby]

10. Which was already extended earlier and will continue to be extended forever if people let it.

[jeff47]

11. Well, now the OMG TERRORISTS caucus will extend it in another bill

and the NSA bulk data collection continues.

So much better than stopping the bulk data collection now, and stopping the part of the patriot act that was extended later. Btw, do you even know what part it extended?

[dilby]

12. If they would have extended it in another bill why not just pull it out then so this would have

passed?

[jeff47]

13. The OMG TERRORISTS caucus would have a bill that only helps terrorists, in their paranoid view.

The extension was designed to bring a few of them along to get the bill done.

But that plan required the politicians who keep claiming to care about civil liberties to actually care about civil liberties. Or to accept improvements instead of only allowing perfection.

So again, which part of the Patriot act did this bill extend?

[librechik]

6. send balloon juice to your friends--It's the awesome!

And I quote:

"Dumbasses. Rand. Paul. Is. A. Right. Wing. Republican. Get that through your thick skulls, guys. Your champion doesn’t just have clay feet, he’s Evil Gumby. You made common cause with the slimeball and now you’re horrified to discover the knife in your backs?"

And, addressing Randian self admiring nonsense quote:

"No, you’re a racist who employs racists, and then you call people who call you out on it “unreasonable”. Screw you. As a constituent, you embarrass me and I fervently want you out of office. You can fool the ACLU all you like, but as a black Kentucky voter, your comment on being a “defender of minority rights in the Congress” is not only factually incorrect, but completely insulting and asinine to boot.

Go talk to Rep. John Lewis, asshole. Learn a few things from him. Then apologize to him for your rank stupidity."

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/11/20/american-rand-stand-cont/

[kpete]

7. Balloon Juice

I am a huge fan of their comment's section
Highly recommended!

peace to you librechik
kp

[Spazito]

8. +1000 n/t