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A group of mens rights activists agreed during a video chat that they would rather work for a male boss than a female and so would everyone else, probably. Ill say it, because I know women whove told me this, and Ive seen women say this, if I were a woman looking to get into the sciences, a bunch of catty b*tches going after somebody in typically female relational aggression bullying fashion, that would turn me off, and I would think, I dont want to go there, said Dean Esmay, operations manager for A Voice For Men. Because if theyre that mean to a guy, theyll be even meaner to a girl they dont like, and there is nothing Ill probably get some backup on this women can be so f*cking nasty to each other.
Esmay told Paul Elam, founder of the mens rights website, and Tara Palmatier, a psychologist at Shrink4Men.com, that he was once bullied by three female colleagues, although he offered few specifics. I was horrifically bullied, and I didnt even know what was going on or how to stop it because I didnt even understand it until (in) retrospect, he said. It was unbelievably nasty.
He said multiple surveys had found women dislike working for women more than men dislike working for women. I dont think thats internalized misogyny, Esmay said. I think its because we dont teach women whatever biological component there is, I dont think we train women to lead in ways that dont involve that kind of henpecking bullying that you see is very common among women, and that seems to typify most of feminism.
Elam claimed hed never spoken to a woman who said she would prefer to work with women instead of men but he insisted the claim wasnt misogynist because he was merely repeating the claims of women. Listen to women for once, Esmay agreed. If we stop with the women are weak and need to be empowered, theyre oppressed and they need to be empowered, and start talking bluntly about these things, even some of those women who are bad leaders now will stop being bad leaders because someone can point out, hey youre being a b*tch. I didnt call you a b*tch because youre being tough, I called you a b*tch because youre being a b*tch. Theres a difference. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/mens-right-activists-nobody-wants-to-work-for-women-and-its-not-sexist-to-say-that/
cali
(114,904 posts)also, the best boss I ever had was a woman.
big_dog
(4,144 posts)just my experience, they dont care to get into the battles and turf fights
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Can't tell anything by me - my experience is limited.
ETA: As I'm thinking about this, I've worked with two other women that had direct reports and there's no way I would have worked for either of them. Both were bitchy and condescending - I wouldn't have put up with it.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)over the last 25 years (5 each); on the whole, the women have been the better bosses.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)a female.
Being a good manager/boss is a skill like any other - and it doesn't confine itself to one sex or the other. Being a crummy boss is pretty much the same thing I suspect.
That said an argument can be made that in general the stock of female managers is better because they are expected to prove themselves more.
Bryant
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)And while in the final analysis it all depends on the preson, all things considered, when given the choice I'd prefer to work for a man. And I daresay that many, if not most, of the people who've worked for me over the years probably feel the same way whether that has anything to do with me and/or my management style or not.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Elam = male spelled backwards.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)His claims sound irrational, hysterical, overly-emotional and rather catty. I think a few chocolates and a bubble-bath would calm him down...
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I have no issues with that. We work well together.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)2 of those were women. I would rank about 10th from the top and the other was in the top 3 best ever supervisors. I would be happy to be working for either of these women especially compared to the dufus we got now.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Circular logic.