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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:06 PM Nov 2014

When our current political system will die

The Democratic Party is patiently waiting for the death (or at least permanent disabling) of the Republican Party as their base of whites who fondly remember the days of Jim Crow dies off and whites in general become a small enough demographic that the percentage of racists and cranks in our midst won't be enough to add up to an electoral majority at the national level.

A similar demographic change could end the stranglehold both parties have on political power.

When people who grew up getting their news from a local paper and TV become a minority, that will be the end of it.

Progressive talk show hosts and pundits rail about the sins of the mainstream media, the Sunday talk shows, columnists at the major papers and what stories those papers get wrong or don't choose to cover at all.

But younger people don't even tune in those sources. We have a myriad of sources available to us online, and if someone is just repeating empty talking points and bringing no real facts or new angles to an issue, we simply move on to a source that does.

I'm fifty, and feel like I sit in the middle of this. I grew up with TV and physical newspapers, but shortly after 9/11, I realized I could get better and more information in five minutes online than I could from any TV news show, and I had already given up reading the print edition of the local newspaper, The Los Angeles Times, except as a Sunday brunch ritual. When they raised the price and cut back content, I gave up even that.

Even though I don't rely exclusively on the LA Times, NY Times, or some equivalent, I still feel a kind of reflexive deference when their take on a story differs from the progressive one, even if the progressive one is backed by reputable studies, declassified government documents, or whistleblowers with solid credentials, and respectable news organizations around the world.

There's still a part of me that suspects that pre-packaged "conventional wisdom" is true, that the ghost of Walter Cronkite is guiding the writers and editors and newsreaders of the mainstream news media toward accuracy over balance and the public interest over the owners and investor class.

I'm not sure how much younger than me they are, but there's a generation coming up who won't know who the hell Walter Cronkite is.

When they become the voting majority, no one will be able to convince them that they have only two choices, and there are things that they shouldn't know. They will know the other choices and they will find out what those in power don't want them to know.

And if some old fart calls some opinion of theirs a conspiracy theory, they will know there's a decent chance that facts will eventually leak out making today's conspiracy theory tomorrow's ho-hum accepted history.

When they become the majority, things will start to change faster than our pot laws are now.

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Gidney N Cloyd

(19,839 posts)
2. No matter what your news source is, traditional or online, you need to apply critical literacy.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:23 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not sure we're even teaching that to upcoming generations anymore.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
3. That is the fundamental problem these days.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

I've seen plausible estimates that 40% of the US population is functionally illiterate. I'd bet that less than 25% have what could realistically be called critical thinking skills.

Why? For one thing this has always been a country/society that dislikes and mistrusts the educated, and indeed the educational process itself. Gut feelings are "better" and "more real" and "more trustworthy." The anti-intellectual strain in American society is so deep it may be beyond eradication.

Secondly, education has been drastically dumbed down since Reagan took office. As George Carlin explained it so brilliantly, the people at the top want the masses to be just smart enough to push the buttons and fill out the forms but nowhere near smart enough to start asking real questions.

BP2

(554 posts)
4. OP, Pelosi and Reid are both 74. And white. Every Democratic governor -- white. Just an observation
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

We beat the repugs senseless with our ideology, but not necessarily with the demographics of our leaders.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
6. it's not just the whiteness, but the compliance with neoliberalism that will kill them with the next
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 04:57 PM
Nov 2014

generation.

Even if people don't know what the word means, they can feel the effects of the policies, which are lethal to those who aren't already wealthy.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. Yep they sure showed us old farts in the last election.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:49 PM
Nov 2014

Yes sir we are going to get our comeuppance now.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
7. I didn't say the change has occurred YET.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 04:57 PM
Nov 2014

A lot of those who didn't vote chose not to because they believe they only have two choices: corrupt or corrupt AND crazy, mean, and ignorant.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. I hear that daily. To me you also can vote against the right.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 05:56 PM
Nov 2014

Every time they win they dig in deeper. They are counting on the fact that we don't vote.
I cannot accept any of those reasons why people chose not to vote. Now they will pass even more restrictions and onerous laws. They have the SCOTUS on their side.
We are screwed because so many chose not to vote. That fact that you can justify it is to me very disturbing.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. I didn't justify it, I made a prediction about where things are going. It also doesn't help that
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:03 PM
Nov 2014

Democratic politicians take their voter base for granted and allow too many corporate tools to use their party name.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. Well I can't feel that not voting is valid
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:23 PM
Nov 2014

Voting is too ingrained in me. I think my first vote was in 1968. I never missed a chance to vote. Way too many people risked all and gave all so others could vote.
I don't think there ever was a time that I felt the ballot was what I thought it should be.

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