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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:02 PM Nov 2014

A majority of Americans make less than $20 per hour

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Where do you fit on the earnings scale?

According to data compiled by Goldman Sachs, most American workers earn below $20 per hour. Goldman Sachs economists David Mericle and Chris Mischaikow crunched Labor Department data that is used to generate the monthly jobs report that the market closely watches, in particular from the survey of employers.

The chart, shown above, shows that 19% of workers make less than $12.50 per hour, 32% of workers make between $12.50 and $20 per hour, 30% make between $20 and $30 an hour, 14% make between $30 and $45 per hour, and 5% make over $45 an hour.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/majority-americans-less-20-per-193329260.html

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A majority of Americans make less than $20 per hour (Original Post) UglyGreed Nov 2014 OP
there are only 120 million full time jobs in the US GreatGazoo Nov 2014 #1
So true UglyGreed Nov 2014 #2
I note also that they use dollars per hour rather than total take home pay GreatGazoo Nov 2014 #3
Great post UglyGreed Nov 2014 #13
Can someone extrapolate what houses should cost based on these earnings? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #4
Well, assuming 40 hours a week, a $20/hr wage would be $800 per week before taxes... stevenleser Nov 2014 #7
So, people could afford a $100K home...? Or less than 1/2 of the median home price of $259,000. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #8
Yep, I edited the error in my post. You are correct. stevenleser Nov 2014 #10
I'm thinking that lack of proper wages may force housing prices down again, you? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #12
So far, all kinds of other 'accommodations' have happened. For instance... stevenleser Nov 2014 #16
Did they count moondust Nov 2014 #5
Shhh UglyGreed Nov 2014 #14
Count me among them KamaAina Nov 2014 #6
That is unbelievable UglyGreed Nov 2014 #9
Tell me about it KamaAina Nov 2014 #11
Yeah UglyGreed Nov 2014 #15
40 hr a week, 50 weeks a year would be 2000 hrs .... eppur_se_muova Nov 2014 #17

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
1. there are only 120 million full time jobs in the US
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:06 PM
Nov 2014

so a huge majority of Americans, 190 mil out of 310, make little or nothing at all.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
3. I note also that they use dollars per hour rather than total take home pay
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:17 PM
Nov 2014

They have framed the discussion in a context free of:

- benefits
- total hours worked (think salary divided by the total hours actually worked, 50+ in many cases)
- the self-employed such as farmers who can often wind up make less than minimum wage

At times this life seems stacked against us. Born with time and no money (or not enough). It suits the PTB just fine:

"...a slave to money then we die..."

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
13. Great post
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

some work so much they have no time to complain, protest or even vote. So much for the American Dream....



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
7. Well, assuming 40 hours a week, a $20/hr wage would be $800 per week before taxes...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:34 PM
Nov 2014

So figure, after taxes and benefits, the person would take home $550 per week or approximately four times that per month.

Ideally, housing costs should not exceed 25% of monthly take home pay, so $550 per month should be the average mortgage payment (PITI) or rent.

I am guessing that reality is that the average mortgage or rent is more like double or triple that amount.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
10. Yep, I edited the error in my post. You are correct.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:00 PM
Nov 2014

And I will further guess, without looking, that if the wage trajectory from the 1940s-early 1960s had continued until now, that the wages would be more than enough to handle the mortgage for that $259,000 home.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. So far, all kinds of other 'accommodations' have happened. For instance...
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

The whole undocumented immigrant issue, in my opinion, was allowed to happen to lower food prices and various other prices so that the middle and lower class could get by with lower wages (and of course the 1% could keep more of the profits).

There is a whole list of other things too.

moondust

(19,985 posts)
5. Did they count
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:22 PM
Nov 2014

migrant field workers who are paid by the wagon load? Or those doing other kinds of piecework?

Or temp workers who may or may not find work every day?

Or people who work on commission?

Or prison labor?


Adding up totals and taking averages probably doesn't paint a very accurate picture if that's what they're doing.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
17. 40 hr a week, 50 weeks a year would be 2000 hrs ....
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 10:45 AM
Nov 2014

so if you make less than $40k/yr full-time, that's less than $20/hr.

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