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kpete

(72,010 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:50 AM Nov 2014

STUNNING VIDEO: TransCanada CEO Concedes Keystone Pipline to create only 50 Jobs

Seeming overlooked during yesterday's (11/16/14) interview on ABC's "ThisWeek", Russ Girling, current CEO of "TransCanada"... the company behind the Keystone XL Pipeline... conceded a claim by the Reuters last year that, once constructed, the Keystone XL would produce as few as "FIFTY permanent jobs." But, he went on to argue, that the number did not take into account the nearly "9,000 temporary construction jobs" or the estimated "42,000 'indirect' jobs (from new businesses along the construction route)."




Seriously? These are the “jobs, jobs, jobs” Republicans have been promising?

The very thought that this country may risk certain environmental disaster to create fewer jobs over TWO years than it needs every TWO weeks just to keep up with population growth, is unfathomable. Tell me we’re not being ruled by people THAT dumb!

Remember when supporters of the pipeline were claiming as many as "one MILLION new jobs?" (pinky to corner of mouth.)

Worse, construction of the pipeline will produce an economic dead zone along it's 1.200 mile route... half of which has ALREADY BEEN BUILT. Steel pipe for the pipeline has ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED FROM INDIA, so there are no jobs to be gained there either.



MORE Plus supporting links:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/17/1345441/-CEO-of-TransCanada-Concedes-just-50-permanent-jobs-from-Keystone-XL-Pipeline#
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STUNNING VIDEO: TransCanada CEO Concedes Keystone Pipline to create only 50 Jobs (Original Post) kpete Nov 2014 OP
Steel was purchased from India? Jeez - we can't even get that right! Everyone gets the benefits & jillan Nov 2014 #1
Part of the TPP and other "agreements" is that we can no longer specify American-made for contracts djean111 Nov 2014 #9
We CANNOT agree to those terms. That is one of the few tools we have left to fight with. What jwirr Nov 2014 #17
Well, Hillary helped write it, and Obama wants it Fast Tracked - only 30 days for djean111 Nov 2014 #19
The majority of 'keystone' pipeline is built and in operation, in use. Sunlei Nov 2014 #28
k&R /nt think Nov 2014 #2
They're not..... daleanime Nov 2014 #3
This needs to be passed on. we can do it Nov 2014 #4
K&R, but it seems like right-wingers abandoned this talking point bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #5
Yes! And what about the tar sands themselves? We'd be an accessory to the murder of humanity RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #23
M$M buries the story... Blue Idaho Nov 2014 #6
Highly Paid Fucking Liar. We're surrounded by them. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #7
The pipes come from..... Ink Man Nov 2014 #8
Welspun is an Indian conglomerate. djean111 Nov 2014 #11
what a shame the USA outsourced thousands of major steel industries jobs oh so long ago. Sunlei Nov 2014 #29
Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2014 #10
Construction jobs aren't important? Tell that to a welder, carpenter, electrician, ... badtoworse Nov 2014 #12
Instead of 2 year jobs, lets give them 15yr jobs... JaneyVee Nov 2014 #22
Big Kick madamvlb Nov 2014 #13
rec & kick MerryBlooms Nov 2014 #14
Don't construction projects by their very nature create very few "permanent" jobs? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #15
Yep. They're great jobs as long as they're politically useful. Brickbat Nov 2014 #30
Has it been broken down into how long it will take to build it... Historic NY Nov 2014 #16
When will people get it? It's not about the jobs, it's about the money. Rex Nov 2014 #18
+1000000000 woo me with science Nov 2014 #32
K&R Expose the corporate liars. woo me with science Nov 2014 #20
Hey, think of how many jobs will be created once it spills! JaneyVee Nov 2014 #21
50 jobs for the 1% to benefit. Who would have thought it? n/t Paper Roses Nov 2014 #24
Plus thousands and thousands of bird-washers. tclambert Nov 2014 #25
Did he net out the truck driver jobs lost because of the pipelines? Sanity Claws Nov 2014 #26
'42,000 jobs' may be disaster clean-up jobs, tons of bitumen will take years to clean. Sunlei Nov 2014 #27
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #31

jillan

(39,451 posts)
1. Steel was purchased from India? Jeez - we can't even get that right! Everyone gets the benefits &
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:05 PM
Nov 2014

we get all the pain?!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
9. Part of the TPP and other "agreements" is that we can no longer specify American-made for contracts
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:22 PM
Nov 2014

over a certain dollar amount.

http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_BuyLocal.html

The TPP's procurement chapter would require that all firms operating in any signatory country be provided equal access as domestic firms to U.S. government procurement contracts over a certain dollar threshold. The United States would agree to waive "Buy American" and "Buy Local" procurement policies for all such foreign firms, eliminating an important policy tool to use U.S. tax dollars for U.S. job creation.


Also, I believe, that "Made in America" label would be a no-no - no labeling as to country of origin. especially for food.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. We CANNOT agree to those terms. That is one of the few tools we have left to fight with. What
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

the hell is going on with the Obama administration that they would even think of taking it away from us.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. Well, Hillary helped write it, and Obama wants it Fast Tracked - only 30 days for
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:56 PM
Nov 2014

Congress to examine it, Congress cannot change a word or attach a condition, there would be just a straight up and down vote.
I am sure we will be treated to many treacly and condescending lectures on what a GOOD thing this is, since Hillary bears some responsibility for it. The TPP touches a lot of things, it has lots of tentacles.
No supporter will get my vote.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. The majority of 'keystone' pipeline is built and in operation, in use.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:45 PM
Nov 2014

Following the denial of a US regulatory permit for its Keystone XL pipeline, TransCanada went ahead with the southern leg of the Keystone project. This will deliver 830,000 bbl/d (132,000 m3/d) from Cushing to the Coast. Since it is entirely within the states of Oklahoma and Texas, it does not require US federal government approval.

On November 30, 2011, a group of leading Republican senators introduced legislation aimed at forcing the Obama administration to make a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline within 60 days.[43] In December 2011, Congress passed a bill giving the Obama Administration a 60-day deadline to make a decision on the application to build the Keystone XL Pipeline.[39][44] On January 18, 2012, President Obama rejected the application stating that the deadline for the decision had "prevented a full assessment of the pipeline's impact".[39][45] On September 5, 2012, TransCanada submitted an environmental report on the new route in Nebraska, which the company says "based on extensive feedback from Nebraskans, and reflects our shared desire to minimize the disturbance of land and sensitive resources in the state



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

note only a tiny bit of XL remains to be 'approved' and that is just an existing OLD border crossing pipe that will be replaced

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
5. K&R, but it seems like right-wingers abandoned this talking point
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:17 PM
Nov 2014

by the side of the road a long time ago. The current meme is "WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL ABOUT ONE MORE PIPELINE?!?!?!?"

Hell, I've seen it thrown around here.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
23. Yes! And what about the tar sands themselves? We'd be an accessory to the murder of humanity
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014
James Hansen, Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, made another appeal this week to end our reliance on tar sands oil or it will be “game over” for the climate. If we continue to approve pipelines bringing in the dirtiest of fuels like tar sands he said, “there is no hope of keeping carbon concentrations below 500 p.p.m. — a level that would, as earth’s history shows, leave our children a climate system that is out of their control.” The production of tar sands oil has three times the global warming emissions as conventional oil production. Hansen rightly cautions that turning to these “dirtiest of fuels” for our gas tanks derails efforts to reduce our dependency on climate-changing fossil fuels.


Source: NRDC

Besides, a study from the Industrial Labor Relations school at Cornell University suggests that the pipeline would actually kill more jobs than it creates!

It's mind-boggling how money and propaganda can generate rational justifications for insanity.



"Oh,sure, there are some downsides, but at least for a few months I had a good job!"

Blue Idaho

(5,052 posts)
6. M$M buries the story...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:18 PM
Nov 2014

What a damn surprise! Anything to to please their corporate masters and prop up the TeaPublican talking points.

 

Ink Man

(171 posts)
8. The pipes come from.....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.transcanada.com/5951.html

We estimate 821,000 tons of high strength line pipe will be used on the project in Canada and the U.S. TransCanada has estimated it will use 660,000 tons of steel for the U.S. portion of the Keystone XL pipeline. The following are the line pipe mills who are manufacturing the pipe:

Welspun - Little Rock, Arkansas, USA.............................................. 332,800 tons 50%
Evraz – Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada............................................ 156,266 tons 24%
ILVA – Italy................................................................................. 103,147 tons 16%
Welspun - India............................................................................ 69,457 tons 10%



Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. what a shame the USA outsourced thousands of major steel industries jobs oh so long ago.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

So many states are broke now, their oil is long drilled away. But they have mines full of iron ore rusting away & thousands of Americans with no jobs.

Why can't those states reopen the steel manufacturing industry?

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
16. Has it been broken down into how long it will take to build it...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:43 PM
Nov 2014

most pipe is already in.... The gulf coast jobs will be at the refinery loading Tran Canada oil on ships bound for China.

http://www.state.gov/e/eb/esc/iec/permit/keystonexl/182277.htm#4

4. The economic study prepared under contract to the Applicant estimated 118,000 person-years of employment could be generated over a projected 100-year operational life of the pipeline. This number appears to have been misreported by others as 118,000 jobs created; in fact in addition to the long time-frame projected in the study, it appears the study treated crude oil that would be transported by the pipeline as an increase in crude oil imported into the United States.



Appears the commissioned study was sugar coating.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. When will people get it? It's not about the jobs, it's about the money.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
Nov 2014

That's why they love vendors and contract workers. Reminds me of hearing about CNN/Fox lying that thousands of people show up to various RWing rallies, then we find out it was 10.

Billions of dollars are on the line for bankers and Wall Street, so it will be built.

Sanity Claws

(21,851 posts)
26. Did he net out the truck driver jobs lost because of the pipelines?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:02 PM
Nov 2014

My guess is that Keystone will result in a net LOSS of jobs because fewer truckers and railroad workers are required.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
27. '42,000 jobs' may be disaster clean-up jobs, tons of bitumen will take years to clean.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:08 PM
Nov 2014

If ever they can 'clean' that toxic sludge.

Parts of Kern county in Ca. are still covered with asphalt? chunks of oil from their huge disaster in the 40s?. The yellow river they covered that 'spill' with sand a couple years ago. The gulf, all the dolphins left had stillborn calves and the fishing industry has not recovered.

We should NOT trust the oil industry to ever do the right thing.

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