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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:18 AM Apr 2012

CNN opinion: Ted Nugent should be in jail

Not because he doesn't like Barack Obama but because he got up in front of a group of people and insinuated he would attempt to assassinate Obama if he's re-elected. Or let's put it this way: A man with a truckload of guns has threatened the life of our president while the country's at war.

Nugent's words were: "If Barack Obama is elected, I'll either be dead or in jail this time next year," which sounds to me like he's open to directing his disapproval of Obama in a way that is violent and unlawful. When you see that statement next to Nugent comparing Obama and his colleagues to coyotes that needed to be shot, as well as the need to "ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November," I don't see how that rant cannot be looked upon as a threat on the president's life.

I don't care how you feel about Nugent's music or Obama's policies, it seems that if there were a First Amendment line to cross, that would be it. And yet, the reality is the Secret Service will spend a little time investigating Nugent, determine he's not a true threat, and move on. If the Supreme Court can rule in favor of an 18-year-old man who, in voicing his opposition to being drafted for the Vietnam War, said: "If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is LBJ," then it's doubtful anything is going to happen to Nugent.
At least anything involving jail time.

People are still free to organize boycotts and express disapproval. The First Amendment protects freedom of speech but it cannot insulate folks against the social and cultural repercussions that come from saying something offensive

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/18/opinion/granderson-nugent/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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CNN opinion: Ted Nugent should be in jail (Original Post) spanone Apr 2012 OP
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..." lastlib Apr 2012 #1
Framing, Framing, Framing . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #7
Based on Romney's current gaffe... Zookeeper Apr 2012 #32
#47!! Icicle Apr 2012 #38
And trust me, I'll be repeating THAT. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #41
yessiree tk2kewl Apr 2012 #10
and NRA pedophile Ted Nugget. Nugent. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #46
Ted Nugent should be in Afghanistan. onehandle Apr 2012 #2
And he is different from Breivik how?? izquierdista Apr 2012 #3
The difference is that Brevik did all the shooting himself. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #4
I wonder if Breivik can sing? izquierdista Apr 2012 #6
Nugent can sing? Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #36
Cat snatch fever? izquierdista Apr 2012 #45
Similar to a Cult Leader BadSaratoga Apr 2012 #11
Stochastic Terrorism. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #27
+1,000 freshwest Apr 2012 #34
Nugent is too much of a coward to be a threat himself tularetom Apr 2012 #5
Nugent reminds me of someone else who riles up the crowd, CrispyQ Apr 2012 #9
Yes!....he is a coward......that's the bottom line.....he never shot anything that could shoot back. Namvet67 Apr 2012 #13
Ted shit his pants The Wizard Apr 2012 #17
Exactly - they talk a lot of shit - but deep down they're cowards. Initech Apr 2012 #26
Turn it around... Fritz67 Apr 2012 #8
What we don't understand is that they are proud of their double standard. zeemike Apr 2012 #12
Right! And, they believe this because they are the only ones who love this country... Frustratedlady Apr 2012 #14
The right as proven time and time and time again, they have no dignity. They just don't care. DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #15
Conditioning is a powerful force The Wizard Apr 2012 #19
yes bongbong Apr 2012 #28
huh marshall gaines Apr 2012 #16
I'm not concerned with anything Ted Nugent says Aerows Apr 2012 #18
My Dog, the comments section. What a sespool. I thought my local paper was bad. corkhead Apr 2012 #20
He didnt actually threaten the president with his "either dead or in jail" comment pasto76 Apr 2012 #21
I agree with you, all their inflated egos are motivated by peer preasure. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #24
I think that the GOP should work realy hard to ... ... bayareaboy Apr 2012 #22
A health care giant in my neighborhood insisted on a psychiatric evaluation... MrMickeysMom Apr 2012 #23
He's a right winger, nothing will happen to him. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #25
Just touching Cheney. maddiemom Apr 2012 #40
Hell, if Cheney blasts you in the face with a shotgun, apparently you have to apologize to Cheney. bulloney Apr 2012 #42
Informed Americans opinions: Both CNN and Ted deserve to be in jail just1voice Apr 2012 #29
Lock and Pantload, Ted Blue Owl Apr 2012 #30
hahahahaha Namvet67 Apr 2012 #35
I just spritzed OJ all over my computer screen Blue Owl. Love it!!! bulloney Apr 2012 #43
Some guy from Portland Spirochete Apr 2012 #31
Here you go: Doc_Technical Apr 2012 #37
Yep. Exactly what I was thinking about. raouldukelives Apr 2012 #47
I still think a review of his weapons by the ATF is in order. n/t hootinholler Apr 2012 #33
kinda find this vile stuff from him ironic PatrynXX Apr 2012 #39
My sentence? BeHereNow Apr 2012 #44

lastlib

(23,242 posts)
1. "Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:19 AM
Apr 2012

"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."
"Romney campaign spokesman and NRA leader Ted Nugent..."

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
7. Framing, Framing, Framing . . .
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:39 AM
Apr 2012

. . . that's how the low-info crowd who thinks in factoids is swayed.

"Romney: Job Destroyer, Serial Firer."

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
32. Based on Romney's current gaffe...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:49 PM
Apr 2012

when the very first thing he did after sitting down at a meet and greet, was to criticize the cookies provided to him from a local small bakery, I think "Thoughtless Snob" applies, as well.

Icicle

(121 posts)
38. #47!!
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:59 PM
Apr 2012

When Rmoney was Governor of MA, the state was ranked 47th in job creation.
I witnessed the carnage firsthand.
This needs to be repeated as often as possible.

Rmoney doesn't mind that sort of ranking, but I wonder how those working-class low-information people feel about that?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
41. And trust me, I'll be repeating THAT.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 06:38 AM
Apr 2012

Maybe there should be a singular thread detailing Romney's craptastic record as a politician?

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
3. And he is different from Breivik how??
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:27 AM
Apr 2012

Oh, that's right, he's just flapping his gums in front of the camera........so far.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
4. The difference is that Brevik did all the shooting himself.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:30 AM
Apr 2012

Nugent is encouraging all those automatons in his audience to do the shooting for him. He's marginally correct in saying that he "never threatened anyone". He just told others to go out and commit the violence.

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
6. I wonder if Breivik can sing?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:37 AM
Apr 2012

Must not be able to carry a tune, otherwise he would have "fans" like Nugent does.*

[font size = 1]*If you can call what Nugent does "singing".

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
5. Nugent is too much of a coward to be a threat himself
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:35 AM
Apr 2012

but somewhere out there among the thousands of people who hear and agree with his verbal flatulence there is at least one loon that is willing to die for his demented beliefs.

So the Secret Service's job is to make an example of this POS without making a martyr out of him.

A pretty tall order IMO. Especially for an organization more effective at hiring hookers than investigating threats against the president.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
9. Nugent reminds me of someone else who riles up the crowd,
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:44 AM
Apr 2012


but is too cowardly to be a threat herself.

Namvet67

(111 posts)
13. Yes!....he is a coward......that's the bottom line.....he never shot anything that could shoot back.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:37 AM
Apr 2012

No crime being a coward.....just makes me hate him for all his pro voilence, hitler-youth name calling for the last 30 years.....because he's a hypocrite, not because he didn't join the military

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
17. Ted shit his pants
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:58 AM
Apr 2012

because he was frightened of a military physical. How long would he have lasted in a night defensive position (NDP). There were/are no tough guys in the NDP.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
26. Exactly - they talk a lot of shit - but deep down they're cowards.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:11 PM
Apr 2012

And besides - we all know what Ted did yo get out of serving - he can stop pretending to be a "patriot".

Fritz67

(353 posts)
8. Turn it around...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:42 AM
Apr 2012

...if an outspoken liberal had said in 2004..."I'll tell you this right now: If George W. Bush becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year," and. "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop <Republican> heads off in November. Any questions?" how long do you think it would be before Fox News was calling for them to shipped off to Gitmo and tortured? Five seconds? Six?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. What we don't understand is that they are proud of their double standard.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:23 AM
Apr 2012

And celebrate it...they see nothing at all wrong with it,,,that is how to win and that the end justifies the means.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
14. Right! And, they believe this because they are the only ones who love this country...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:38 AM
Apr 2012

and support the troops. It's the liberals who are the threat to the Constitution and our country. Yes, sir!

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
15. The right as proven time and time and time again, they have no dignity. They just don't care.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:38 AM
Apr 2012

They figured out a long time ago that once people on conditioned into an "us against them" mindset, they ultimately don't care about hypocrisy from someone on "their side". Even though the Daily Show has spun comedy gold for years simply playing republican politicians own words followed by another clip from previous years saying the exact opposite, they don't care. We roll our eyes and beat our heads against the wall when republicans talk about being against deficits or an individual mandate or so many other issues, but really, they have it figured out. You just say whatever you can to attack the President and if someone says "Hey weren't you for that before?", the correct response is "shame on you for asking me a question like that, liberal media!" and roll on. The bizarre thing is that we are living in an idiocracy where that works.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
19. Conditioning is a powerful force
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:03 AM
Apr 2012

And more powerful when those doing it deliberately attacked education and exploited the great dumbing down. George W. Bush is their hero, although they say it's Reagan. Reagan spoke in complete sentences while Bush spit out incoherent words through his drooling.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
28. yes
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:23 PM
Apr 2012

> while Bush spit out incoherent words through his drooling.

The difference is that Cheney's assistant was stone-drunk for 8 long years.

 

marshall gaines

(347 posts)
16. huh
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:42 AM
Apr 2012

huh? if the threat had been against the shrub or darth, i say over and over again, THAT PERSON WOULD BE UNDER THE JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a break, the hypocrisy is obvious. He should be made to feel very uncomfortable in the skin he carries

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. I'm not concerned with anything Ted Nugent says
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:00 AM
Apr 2012

I'm far more concerned about people that take anything that lunatic says seriously.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
21. He didnt actually threaten the president with his "either dead or in jail" comment
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:07 AM
Apr 2012

be honest, we're all projecting what we want on that bit.


However, making the anaology that the President is that coyote in your living room, and then telling the NRA crowd that "it's your fault if you dont shoot him" (not "it&quot , is, even in the loosest sense, inciting violence. He should be in jail, or fined and that money sent to homeless shelters.

Nugent is a GREAT example of your average dumbshit american. Self professed gun nut, "hunter", Federal Marshal's deputy, blah blah blah. He thinks, and sells the perception, that he is somehow a tough guy. he's not. We all know now that he shit himself to avoid going to Vietnam. He's a coward, but like many others, sells the perception that he "loves the troops". I didnt see him lambasting McCain and Bush when they were trying to kill the Post 9/11 GI Bill.

I consider that mentality so widespread in our country to be THE SINGLE biggest problem right now. Everyone's "tough". nobody has ever done shit. Look around the store. Look at all the obese dudes in their tough guy clothing and tough guy facial hair. Obligatory tough guy hat, and obligatory tough guy huge pickup truck(Im bigger than you so I can drive like an asshole, and that makes me TOUGH). They're all soft white meat to this veteran.

I despise every one of them. I dont get that attitude from Democrats, which is a primary reason I support them.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
24. I agree with you, all their inflated egos are motivated by peer preasure.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:34 AM
Apr 2012

They tell each other how "real" they are for liking country music and going to church (once and a while). I intend to vote a straight democratic ballot in November and do everything I can to crush them.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
22. I think that the GOP should work realy hard to ... ...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:24 AM
Apr 2012

Give the rest of the world, a chance to accept a Mittens and the white hunter ticket.

I understand Ted won't come out to California again after a couple of arrests over in El Dorado County, a couple of years ago. There is lots of other states where you can bait deer and not be called a poacher.

Oh and by the way the right to free speech shall not be taken by any agency if don't clean your pants of if you happen to be an asshole.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. A health care giant in my neighborhood insisted on a psychiatric evaluation...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:26 AM
Apr 2012

... It was after a frustrated protester ranted against them regarding their inattentiveness to his medication for anxiety.

In this case, our community is all too well aware after a recent event where a gun nut walked into a psych unit of this health care giant, then shot and killed. So, it's understandable that when another person ranted about the system, somebody from the system said, "he needs a psych evaluation, cause we don't need another episode."

So, why isn't Ted Nugen undergoing a psych evaluation and under the same watch? Have we not had enough calls from right wing hate mongers to assassinate the president? We have certainly had it to assassinate physicians.

What does America want? A gold, engraved invitation to this deranged instigator who would poop his pants to get out of a draft, then tote guns for the NRA and rant about Obama?

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. He's a right winger, nothing will happen to him.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:38 AM
Apr 2012

If a Democrat had said something even remotely similar to that about Bush, that person would be destroyed, if not arrested and charged with at least something.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
42. Hell, if Cheney blasts you in the face with a shotgun, apparently you have to apologize to Cheney.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 06:49 AM
Apr 2012

That's how crazy the double standards are between Democrats and Republicans.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
29. Informed Americans opinions: Both CNN and Ted deserve to be in jail
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:12 PM
Apr 2012

for spreading hate speech propaganda.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
31. Some guy from Portland
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:28 PM
Apr 2012

got 3 years in prison for making some joke about a "burning bush" several years ago.

Of course, Crap Pants Fever will get off scot-free. IOKIYAR.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
47. Yep. Exactly what I was thinking about.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:58 AM
Apr 2012

All I can assume is that the bar he made the unfortunate Bush joke in was in highly patriotic. Very much unlike the event Nugent was gracing with his lyrical prose.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
39. kinda find this vile stuff from him ironic
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:12 AM
Apr 2012

so all the violent cops against OWS and arresting them etc for doing things peacefully and not threatening anyone and this jackASS does threaten THE someone and no arresting. Can't do free speech Ted. Especially if they are arresting OWS protesters...

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
44. My sentence?
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:09 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:08 PM - Edit history (1)

He will never again be allowed in a recording studio or near a public
microphone.

Oh, and no more access to guns or ammo for Ted.

That would be justice in my mind.
The last thing this world needs is another crappy musician
spewing fascism through a mic or a public forum.
Ted- your music sucks, and your political rants reveal nothing
more than the talentless pond scum from which you emerged.

BHN

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