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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:39 AM Apr 2012

How Obama Became a Civil Libertarian's Nightmare

http://www.alternet.org/rights/155045/how_obama_became_a_civil_libertarian%27s_nightmare/


When Barack Obama took office, he was the civil liberties communities’ great hope. Obama, a former constitutional law professor, pledged to shutter the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and run a transparent and open government. But he has become a civil libertarian’s nightmare: a supposedly liberal president who instead has expanded and fortified many of the Bush administration’s worst policies, lending bipartisan support for a more intrusive and authoritarian federal government.

It started with the 9/11 attacks. Within a week, Congress, including many liberals, gave the White House blanket authority to wage a war on the terrorists. A month after that, Congress passed the USA Patriot Act, authorizing many anti-terrorism measure including expanded surveillance. By mid-November, the White House ordered creation of military tribunals to try terrorists who were not U.S. citizens.

Bush quickly expanded covert operations, creating a shadow arrest, interrogation and detention system based at Guantanamo that violated international law and evaded domestic oversight. While the Supreme Court eventually ruled that detainees have some rights, the precedent that the Constitution does not restrict how a president conducts an endless war against a stateless enemy was firmly planted. In response, groups like the American Civil Liberties Union proposed reforms the newly elected president could make. What few anticipated was how he would embrace, expand and institutionalize many of Bush’s war on terror excesses.
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How Obama Became a Civil Libertarian's Nightmare (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2012 OP
His drug policy leaves pipoman Apr 2012 #1
The 'Secret Government' are most un- Democratic. Octafish Apr 2012 #2
It's all: n2doc Apr 2012 #3
I think you covered them all gratuitous Apr 2012 #4
You've got the Catechism well memorized! kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #5
F. If you're not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have anything to worry about DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #6
H-Z: Blue links having nothing to do with the topic Occulus Apr 2012 #7
+1 progressoid Apr 2012 #20
Oh...you're bad! Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #10
Option E is so 2008 hootinholler Apr 2012 #12
Except! By disliking Obama's actions now one must have been a Palin/Gramps supporter in 08 n2doc Apr 2012 #16
I've been told that 80% of us on the left hootinholler Apr 2012 #21
"Civil Rights" are pretty much ignored here as bizzare as that seems just1voice Apr 2012 #8
I gotta throw some props your way for that... xchrom Apr 2012 #11
Just throw it on the pile with PermaWar and Epic banking industry fraud kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #13
DURec KG Apr 2012 #9
but he was hoping the authoritarian right would be appeased I guess fascisthunter Apr 2012 #14
Then "civil libertarians" should put forth a candidate, and work their asses off to elect them. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #15
Good Democrats are civil libertarians. xchrom Apr 2012 #18
But I thought the Republicans were for individual freedom. Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #24
It's the typical ProSense Apr 2012 #19
But none of that progress matters, cause Glenn told us "Obama=Bad". Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #23
DU rec. Thanks for posting. TransitJohn Apr 2012 #17

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. The 'Secret Government' are most un- Democratic.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:11 AM
Apr 2012

K&R. Must-read.

The truth hurts: We the People aren't the enemy. Unchecked power is.

One correction: It's "James Bamford" who wrote the Wired article.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. It's all:
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:21 PM
Apr 2012

A- For our own good!

B- The fault of Holder and the DOJ Lawyers left over from the Bush Administration. Obama has no power over them at all.

C- Great, because Obama is a Good Man who would never ever abuse those powers. And of course no successor ever will, either!

D. Inevitable. Obama is just doing what anyone would.

E. What? You must want President Palin!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. I think you covered them all
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:36 PM
Apr 2012

Except maybe for the "Congress won't go along, and even when Democrats had majorities, it couldn't be done or we would have lost badly in 2010" excuse, which is almost always good for a giggle.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
5. You've got the Catechism well memorized!
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:40 PM
Apr 2012

or else you wrote it down on your wrist.

A perfect score entitles you to a free pair of pom-poms, complete with hidden switchblade.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
6. F. If you're not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have anything to worry about
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:43 PM
Apr 2012

G. Why do you hate America?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. Except! By disliking Obama's actions now one must have been a Palin/Gramps supporter in 08
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:16 PM
Apr 2012

At least, so I've been told.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
21. I've been told that 80% of us on the left
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:23 PM
Apr 2012

Have responded to polls that we think he is doing great! Even though I have yet to see the exact questions asked in those polls or the cross tabs, I hear it so often it must be true.

Yeah, like we all were gonna vote for the geezer/bible spice ticket. Ok, I'll give you that one.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
8. "Civil Rights" are pretty much ignored here as bizzare as that seems
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:46 PM
Apr 2012

Bigotry gets a ton of attention but overall civil rights for all citizens oddly goes mostly ignored as if there's no connection. When people get stuck in a political paradigm rational thinking goes right out the window.

Assassinating Americans, violating civil rights at airports, torture camps still open, wiretapping everyone, removing protections for whistle-blowers: these are all things that outraged democratic people during the Bush admin but not so much now. It's a shame because as soon as some repuke gets into office people will be screaming about it but it'll be too late.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
13. Just throw it on the pile with PermaWar and Epic banking industry fraud
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:56 PM
Apr 2012

things Democrats used to care about. Or pretended they did.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
14. but he was hoping the authoritarian right would be appeased I guess
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:58 PM
Apr 2012

beats me as to why... I guess he truly believes in what he is doing. I don't.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
15. Then "civil libertarians" should put forth a candidate, and work their asses off to elect them.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:14 PM
Apr 2012

But they shouldn't be able to do it here. Last I checked, this is still "Democratic" Underground, not "Civil Libertarian" Underground. Fuck 'em.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
18. Good Democrats are civil libertarians.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:42 PM
Apr 2012

If they aren't - they should consider - seriously - joining the Republican party.

Response to xchrom (Reply #18)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
19. It's the typical
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:42 PM
Apr 2012

strung together hyperbole.

President Obama now has power that Bush never had. Foremost is he can (and has) order the killing of U.S. citizens abroad who are deemed terrorists. Like Bush, he has asked the Justice Department to draft secret memos authorizing his actions without going before a federal court or disclosing them....One of Bush’s biggest civil liberties breaches, spying on virtually all Americans via their telecommunications starting in 2003, also has been expanded. Congress authorized the effort in 2006. Two years later, it granted legal immunity to the telecom firms helping Bush—a bill Obama voted for...How bad is it? Anthony Romero, the ACLU executive director, exclaimed in June 2010 that Obama “disgusted” him. Meanwhile, the most hawkish Bush administration officials have defended and praised Obama.


Yeah, dig up everything every said or reported, debunked or not, and throw in the word "nightmare," and voila!

Never mind that even the ACLU sees progress in many areas.

  • Ordered an end to the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, withdrew
    flawed legal analysis used to justify torture and applied the Army Field Manual on interrogations
    government wide.
  • Abolished the CIA secret prisons.
  • Says that “waterboarding is torture” and “contrary to America’s traditions… contrary to our ideals.”
  • No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.
  • Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
    alleged victims of torture from having their day in court.
http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf


Bush left a tremendous mess, and anyone who believes it's going to be easy to untangle it is kidding themselves. Look at Guantanamo.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
23. But none of that progress matters, cause Glenn told us "Obama=Bad".
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:07 PM
Apr 2012

They know they can't outright campaign for Gary Johnson here, but they've found a workaround. Hey, if you can't go in through the front door, pry open a window, you still gain access, before the homeowner even knows what happened to him.

And I wonder if this is posted over at Civil Libertarian Underground? Oh, that's right.....
Have civil libertarians come out with an official endorsement yet?

CL's get the best of both worlds. No one's ever gonna elect one of them, because despite what Americans tell pollsters, they care about safety, and whether intended or not, CL's sometimes seem to be working at odds with that concept. That's a luxury no sitting president can afford. It's a delicate dance, but I think this administration has tried to protect our rights, while doing everything possible to keep us safe. Afterall, if there's another large scale incident on American soil, CL's won't take the fall for it, but guess who will?

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