The Primary Process is already over.....even before it has begun.

[mylye2222]

Elizabeth Warren will not run. Sh will be too busy nonthelesd working her best in a GOP Senate.

Bernie Sanders will run...but he will never be nominated. He doesnt have any DC powerstructure on his side .

Biden? Dont think will run either

Kerry, Dean, Kuscinich , Gore, ......they all gave up their presidential ambitions

And no one seems to see another viable alternative. This time there is no potential freshman or freshwoman politician to enthusiast the crowd as Obama did

Or maybe there is....but she/he is too afraid of the momumental machine the Clintonians put in place, in the party, in the media, into grassroots Dems souls and in American politics is general.

How not to be a little afraid by this prospective of an Unique (or only two) canditates primary?


Bravo Mr and Mrs Clinton, and fellows people. You did a perfzct job by already entirely paved your way . And building unbreakable barriers behind you.

[Electric Monk]

1. That's called an "assumptive close" sales technique

I don't buy it. Someone will step up.

[djean111]

2. Nah. That's just wishful thinking.

It IS weird as fuck to see all the attempts to declare Hillary the candidate and bypass primaries. Not her strong point, I guess.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. Not declaring....FACING FACTS

64% approval rating and polls ahead of ALL Republicans....

You got anyone who can make those claims?

Do you really want to win?

[mylye2222]

6. Of course I do want to win.

But I want a real fight of different ideas. Not an already done game.

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. then now is not the time to try to draw to an inside straight.

We have to keep Republicans from getting ALL Three Branches. You go with the strongest...

[djean111]

8. So - do you think we should just not have primaries, and anoint Hillary right now?

That seems to be the logical extension to the constant barrage of Yay Hillary posts.

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. NO I am saying...SHE is the front-runner...for now SHE is the candidate to beat....

and right now....you "Opposers" do not have anything even CLOSE....

whine harder!

[djean111]

10. So you are declaring her the winner before the primaries begin, hoping that no one will

try and run against her?

[mylye2222]

11. Kick to you djean111

I have exactly the same sickening feeling regarding all those Clintonverse manoeuvers

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. I am declaring her our best chance to keep a Republican OUT of the Whitehouse in 2016!

[djean111]

15. Good for you, but that does not mean that others cannot prefer someone else, and it does not mean

the primaries should be skipped. And skipping the primaries seems to be the end game here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. they can "prefer" all they want...but they don't stand the chance.....

Get used to it....

someone famous once said:

"You can't always get what you want....but if you try some time....you get what you need"

[djean111]

19. Can you answer my question - do you think we should just skip the primaries?

Yes or no.
The smug jeers really do not have the effect you think they have.

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. The Primary will happen....but Hillary is the very likely winner....

and we need her....she can beat all Republicans. She holds the pole position in a car with nitrous oxide.

[djean111]

22. Then - I should think you could relax and stop with the constant jeers and

cheer-leading. Getting a bit heavy-handed, and I doubt anyone will be swayed at this point.
The constant Hillary is great everybody else is a loser thing is like those annoying campaign ads on TV - they just get tuned out now.

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. Why not...I SUPPORT the winner!

WE NEED a Winner ....and she has the cred to prove it

[pangaia]

30. No, We do not NEED Hillary Clinton.

We NEED a real, an honest progressive. If we can't get one, then in my view we are just STUCK with Hillary Clinton.

Fortunately I will not have to vote for her as I live in New York.

PS
And frankly, I have heard just too much about Hillary, Hillary, Hillary these last few years.

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. YES we do....WE NEED to win....and she has the evidence to show she can beat them all

even Jeb Bush.

[pangaia]

36. We need a WINNER.

A progressive WINNER.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. she is Progressive...

and she has 64% approval ratings and polls ahead of EVERY Republican including Jeb Bush.

Until YOU have a candidate that can do better....SHE IS the winner...

[pangaia]

50. Nice chart.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. backed up with evidence....

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale) Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale) Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale) Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale) Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) 1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale) OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale) $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale) Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale) Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale) US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale) There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale) Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale) Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale) $100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale) Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale) Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

[pangaia]

69. HEE HEE,,,,

I see you have this saved as a word doc and you just copy and paste.






Here's another--from you know where..

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (/ˈhɪləri daɪˈæn ˈrɒdəm ˈklɪntən/; born October 26, 1947) is a former United States Secretary of State, U.S. Senator, and First Lady of the United States. From 2009 to 2013, she was the 67th Secretary of State, serving under President Barack Obama. She previously represented New York in the U.S. Senate (2001 to 2009). Before that, as the wife of President Bill Clinton, she was First Lady from 1993 to 2001. In the 2008 election, Clinton was a leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

A native of Illinois, Hillary Rodham was the first student commencement speaker at Wellesley College in 1969 and earned a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1973. After a brief stint as a Congressional legal counsel, she moved to Arkansas and married Bill Clinton in 1975. Rodham cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977. In 1978, she became the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation, and in 1979, the first female partner at Rose Law Firm. The National Law Journal twice listed her as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America. As First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992 with her husband as Governor, she led a task force that reformed Arkansas's education system. During that time, she was on the board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations.

In 1994, as First Lady of the United States, her major initiative, the Clinton health care plan, failed to gain approval from the U.S. Congress. However, in 1997 and 1999, Clinton played a leading role in advocating the creation of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act. Her years as First Lady drew a polarized response from the American public. The only First Lady to have been subpoenaed, she testified before a federal grand jury in 1996 regarding the Whitewater controversy, but was never charged with wrongdoing in this or several other investigations during the Clinton presidency. Her marriage endured the Lewinsky scandal in 1998.

After moving to the state, Clinton was elected the first female Senator from New York; she is the only First Lady ever to have run for public office. Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, she supported military action in Afghanistan and the Iraq War Resolution, but subsequently objected to the George W. Bush administration's conduct of the war in Iraq and continued to oppose most of its domestic policies. Clinton was reelected to the Senate in 2006. Running in the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries, Hillary Clinton won far more primaries and delegates than any other female candidate in American history, but narrowly lost the nomination to Senator Barack Obama, who went on to win the national election.

Obama nominated Clinton to be Secretary of State and she was confirmed by the Senate in January 2009. She was at the forefront of the U.S. response to the Arab Spring, including advocating for the U.S. military intervention in Libya. As Secretary of State, she took responsibility for security lapses related to the 2012 Benghazi attack, which resulted in the deaths of American consulate personnel, but defended her personal actions in regard to the matter. Clinton visited more countries than any other Secretary of State. She viewed "smart power" as the strategy for asserting U.S. leadership and values, by combining military power with diplomacy and American capabilities in economics, technology, and other areas. She encouraged empowerment of women everywhere and used social media to communicate the U.S. message abroad.

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. Its copy and paste of her entire record summarized...DUH!

Was I supposed to write it all in my own voice to suit you? See it for yourself...

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

[pangaia]

72. Have you ever met Clinton?

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. and? You ever slept on her sofabed?

did you borrow her toothbrush too?

[pangaia]

76. I didn't ask if you slept on her sofa, for pete's sake.

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was dat about?

[VanillaRhapsody]

77. because what you said made no fucking sense....

[pangaia]

79. fucking sense?

why the obscenity?

[VanillaRhapsody]

88. why not?

[pangaia]

111. I've told this part of this story here at DU before.

I met Clinton once. Just once.
Very briefly at a fund raiser for someone locally. I was with my then new Chinese wife who had only been in the states maybe 3-4 months... It was her first chance to meet real 'American politicians,' as she expressed it. Actually, Eliot Spitzer was there, as well. I was impressed with how Spitzer related to people, including me, and my wife. He wanted to know about her and gave her his undivided attention for a minute or so..even with a bunch of well-to-doers and power brokers nearby.

Later that same month, I think it was, I met Howard Dean, again with my wife with me, at another fund raiser for a local. He showed the same genuine interest in her that Spitzer had, only even more so.. And again, he talked with her for, oh maybe 2-3 minutes while all the 'important' ones just stood by and listened. His interest was real, his smile was real. Jing could feel it.

Later she said to me that she could feel his sincere attitude toward her. And she had felt the same from Spitzer. She did not feel it meeting Clinton. She said, "Her smile is on her face."

Jing has a sixth sense about things..

It's just a brief story.

[VanillaRhapsody]

201. and how does that even fucking matter...

I have met Oprah Winfrey...4 times....I don't claim to KNOW her!!!!

[pangaia]

293. AARGGGHH!!

'fucking' arrgghhh.

I didn't claim to know Clinton. You accused me of claiming to know Clinton..

kersplitt.. fucking.... big nasty word.....

meeting someone..... feeling... instinct aarrggg.. useless.... psychology... fucking...... perception....eyes.... waste of time... body language aaarrrgg doesn't fucking matter,,,,

pissed off.... aarrggg.... happy day....

[TheKentuckian]

303. The list is a scam, it gives points no matter what position is taken

Like

YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15 
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15 

What the fuck does this even mean?

Or this

Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17

Or

NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16 

Or

YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13 
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13 
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13 
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13 

Who decides how to weight Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12 ? Does this even mean anything? Considering certain gets 12 but actually doing something like Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1, gets a one?

Why is Keep God in the public sphere or Never legalize marijuana proof of being liberal?

Why are we supposed to be impressed with Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13?

This wall of randomly weighted, often extrapolated, and anything goes crap is utterly meaningless.

[davidpdx]

116. Only Hillary can cave us

Getting sick of that one.

[mylye2222]

25. The big question are

How did we come to that obligatory "get used to it"
How came the democratically frightening truth that a whole political powerstrucre and its corrollary mediabases has become the intrument witch serves the goals of one political family and surrounderings ones?

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. because Independents think they are in charge of the Democratic party on DU!

[mylye2222]

39. So tell me..

Are you OK with the fact tgat ONE FAMILLY AND ITS CLIQUE rules a whole party?

Pretty monarchic dont you think? Or really Bushes like.....

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. I am okay with Democrats winning the next election....

I go with our strongest candidate....and that is Hillary Clinton....by far!

[mylye2222]

48. Well we will not niw if she is the best

Until some others would threw their hats in the game...

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. We do know...

64% popularity and polls higher than any Republican including Jeb Bush....


Who you got that can compete with that? Who you got that even has above single digits?

[pangaia]

295. The BEST requires at least 2.

AT the present moment there is ONE. Clinton. SAt the moment she is not the best, she is the only.

[Scootaloo]

58. Then you really don't undersrand US politics.

and putting Clinton in the white house to keep a republican out is a lot like putting ferrets in the henhouse to keep foxes away.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Yes I really do....

I know that YOU are not like the rest of the American voting public....

[Scootaloo]

66. No, I'm not; 54% of them stay home on election days

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. You are also not like the other 46% either....

you are a minority among the voting public....but soo am I. But then again....I am a Realist.

[bravenak]

73. And kinda bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

75. and that sounds kinda sexist....

do you call outspoken men that too?

[bravenak]

80. Yes I do.

All the time!!! You must think I'm a man. Nope. Black woman.
Still think you're bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. Yeah...I am sure you do...

and is it okay for women to call each other bitch because they are both women? Is that word ever okay to call a woman....no matter what the gender? Is that your position?

regardless....I'll wear moniker as a badge of honor.....it means its all you got! Its what women get called when they get all "uppity"....I think you understand that concept.

[bravenak]

84. Did I call you a Bitch?

What made your mind go there? I don't use that type of language, and I'd advise you not to use such filthy sexist language yourself, either.

Funny how I say bossy, and you turn to discussing the word bitch. Seems like you have things inside you that you need to figure out.

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. did I say you did?

No I did not....

I explained it very well...and you know VERY well how the word "bossy" is used against women....it is almost ALWAYS used against women solely.

[bravenak]

94. Umm hmmm.

You tried to pretend that I was being sexist by calling you bossy. I mean, you just spend the entire thread making demands, deriding, and demanding that people vote for your candidate, but you object to being called bossy? Amazing. But, oops, I'm a woman and a Feminist and I call bossy people bossy not women who have big mouths.
I have a big mouth too. But I do not make demands of others or ridicule them when they disagree.
And then you drop the profanity bomb with the anti woman language in it and i don't quite believe you are sincere.
You seem to have 'dish it out can't take it' syndrome.

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. Yes it IS sexist....for the very reasons I laid out...

you just bought into it...

[bravenak]

96. You are wrong.

You are being bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

97. No I am right as rain...

funny the Guardian seems to agree with me...

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/sep/01/feisty-flounce-bossy-words-put-women-down

Bossy
As the Ban Bossy campaign puts it: “When a little boy asserts himself, he’s called a ‘leader’. Yet when a little girl does the same, she risks being branded ‘bossy’. Words like bossy send a message: don’t raise your hand or speak up.” The campaign to make people think before using the word (and basically stop it), launched this year by Sheryl Sandberg, and supported by lots of high-profile women including Condoleezza Rice, Michelle Obama and Beyoncé, was predictably met with the charge that it was authoritarian and, well, “bossy”. Wrong. Often the simplest and most useful test is: would this word be applied to a straight, white man? In the case of bossy, almost certainly not (Margaret Thatcher was called “bossy”; it would be unthinkable to describe any other British prime minister as “bossy”). See also: “pushy”.

[bravenak]

99. You are not being assertive.

You are making demands of others and trying to bend them to your will. Sometimes bossy means bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. and yet you still used that word....

when I just showed you why you should retire it....especially to another woman.

[bravenak]

103. I can decide for myself which words apply.

The way other people may have used it has nothing to do with the way I just used it.

boss·y1
ˈbôsē,ˈbäsē/
adjectiveinformal
fond of giving people orders; domineering.
"she was headlong, bossy, scared of nobody, and full of vinegar"
synonyms: domineering, pushy, overbearing, imperious, officious, high-handed, authoritarian, dictatorial, controlling; informalhigh and mighty
"we're hiding from his bossy sister"
antonyms: submissive

[VanillaRhapsody]

104. that is the definition all right.....BUT usage is normally to belittle women....FACT!

just like the B word is also a female dog.....

[bravenak]

106. Yeah. Maybe in your eyes.

But not in this conversation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. Mine and those that contributed to that Guardian article....

Bossy
As the Ban Bossy campaign puts it: “When a little boy asserts himself, he’s called a ‘leader’. Yet when a little girl does the same, she risks being branded ‘bossy’. Words like bossy send a message: don’t raise your hand or speak up.” The campaign to make people think before using the word (and basically stop it), launched this year by Sheryl Sandberg, and supported by lots of high-profile women including Condoleezza Rice, Michelle Obama and Beyoncé, was predictably met with the charge that it was authoritarian and, well, “bossy”. Wrong. Often the simplest and most useful test is: would this word be applied to a straight, white man? In the case of bossy, almost certainly not (Margaret Thatcher was called “bossy”; it would be unthinkable to describe any other British prime minister as “bossy”). See also: “pushy”.

[bravenak]

108. They weren't here for this one.

[VanillaRhapsody]

109. I was.....

and I pointed it out immediately....you denied that it was such a word....and I proved you wrong....there is an entire campaign to eliminate its usage.

[bravenak]

112. You proved nothing except that you are overbearing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

114. Nice backpedal!

but not buying.....

I proved that there is a campaign to stop using the word "bossy"...because it is sexist.

[bravenak]

122. I don't care what thing you brought up so that you could later 'prove' it existed.

You cannot handle critisism and will break your neck to try to get out of admitting the real.

[VanillaRhapsody]

123. of course YOU don't....I hope you learned something from the experience...

bossy is a sexist word...

[bravenak]

126. To you.

But not when I used it abou you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

130. to everyone....it is a derogatory term used to demean women...it is almost never used against men

and that is why is IS a sexist term. Much like slut is....

http://time.com/22004/how-to-not-sound-like-a-sexist-jerk-even-if-youre-a-woman/

Don’t Call Girls Bossy. Or Grown Women Aggressive.

Seriously, don’t do it. And while you’re at it, don’t call them pushy, angry, brusque, ballbusters, bitchy, careerist, cold, calculating — you get the point. Also: shrill and strident, both of which imply high-pitched and screechy women a la your mother, finger pointed, scolding you to clean your room. Bossy is the subject of the new Sandberg campaign, but it’s something linguists have written about for decades. The reality is that these words are rooted in stereotype, and they are only applied to women. Think about it: girls are bossy, boys have “leadership qualities.” Women are deemed aggressive, while men are simply decisive (or just, um, bosses). From Ruth Bader Ginsburg (called “a bitch” by her law school classmates) to the “ball-busting” Hillary Clinton, historians will tell you: women in power have long been punished for exhibiting qualities of assertiveness, because it veers from the “feminine” mold. And yet, isn’t it precisely those assertive qualities that will help women get ahead? If you wouldn’t call a dude these words, don’t say ‘em of a lady.

[bravenak]

134. Except I call dudes bossy whenever they are.

And if a woman is bossing people around and demanding things of them I will let them know they are bossy too. They can take it. I deal with much more bullshit than being called bossy. Like racism. I am still strong and bursting with energy and my mouth speaks loudly.
I find it sexist to only be able speak truth to men. Women are not weak creatures and do not need to be coddled against people disagreeing with their overbearing methods, if those are the type of methods they use.

[VanillaRhapsody]

135. riooght....I soooo believe you....

unfortunately....my links belie your position. Even Michelle Obama agrees with mine...

Never call another woman bossy...period.

[bravenak]

136. Are you demanding something of me?

That seems like you are telling me what to do. Sort of, like a boss. Hmmm.

I say what the hell I please in the manner I please. Nobody tells this black woman how to speak. Tired of that shit in this country.

[VanillaRhapsody]

137. Just stating the facts Ma'm

Unless you don't mind being thought sexist.....

[bravenak]

138. So you decide how a black woman needs to speak?

[VanillaRhapsody]

139. did I say something that had anything to do with race?

I was talking to another woman as far as I am concerned.....or are you trying to say something here?

[bravenak]

141. Yes. I am trying to say something.

Don't ever tell me how to talk, sister. I have seroiusly had enough of being trained on how to talk in a manner that is pleasing to a 'certain' demographic. How often do black women tell white women which words they are allowed to use?

[VanillaRhapsody]

142. then don't use sexist terms...and you won't get that pointed out to you....

your race or mine had nothing to do with it.....

[bravenak]

144. Your sex had nothing to do with what I said, but you brought it up.

Turnabout is fair play. Never tellme how to speak. You do not rule over me. You better learn how to suggest things rather than making demands. You go to far. And it is a pattern for people to think it is their right and duty to correct black folks speech. Would you like links? I can do links too on how racist it is to constantly correct black people's speech.

[VanillaRhapsody]

147. Yes it did and I had 2 articles to prove it...one from Time even Said "even if you are a woman"

11 Ways To Avoid Sounding Like a Sexist Jerk–Even If You’re a Woman

http://time.com/22004/how-to-not-sound-like-a-sexist-jerk-even-if-youre-a-woman/

[bravenak]

154. You a faking sexism to win an argument.

[VanillaRhapsody]

156. Not faking....pointing out the obvious....you are just busy denying what I said was true....

even though I keep proving it to you...would you just over look it if I had used a racial slur?

[bravenak]

158. I pointed out what you were doing.

You haven't said you are not trying to tell people what to do , or that you are not very demanding. You hate the word bossy and you have a couple of links that I don't care about. It does not mean I was wrong. You are.

[VanillaRhapsody]

161. No you didn't you used a sexist slur and refused to withdraw it....even in light of evidence to

back up my claim. So it is YOU who cannot admit when they are wrong....

[bravenak]

172. Tell yourself whatever makes yourself feel good about yourself.

Have fun chasing phantom sexists and 'independents'. Hahaha!! You'll convince somebody that Hillary will save us from Doom, soon. And if they don't agree, find a way to call them names. You've been doing it all over the place so I take your opinion with a grain of salt. Ta ta!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

174. I didnt have to tell myself, obviously I already knew it...I told you....

and supported it with evidence...

[bravenak]

175. Your opinion articles?

Hahahaha!! That proves nothing except some people want to ban a word.
I used it properly on you. Hahaha!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

176. Opinion articles in Time and the Guardian?

It says the section is Living and the category is Feminism in the Time article....nothing about it being in the Editorial section...

By the way the articles REPORT that there is an actual campaign going on against usage of that word...and even Michelle Obama supports it....

but but but...its JUST a little "editorial"...

[bravenak]

178. That doesn't make the opinion that saying the word bossy is sexist, fact.

You indicated that the articles 'proved' my using the word is sexist. They do not. They show that some group of feminists find the word sexist and want to ban it. Along with a long series of other words that mean the same thing.
Like I said before. You. Proved. Nothing. With. Your. Articles.

[VanillaRhapsody]

179. Michelle Obama seems to think so....

Like I said before...the word is...S.E.X.I.S.T.

here is another one...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/9767680/Only-women-are-called-bossy-claims-Clare-Balding.html

[bravenak]

181. I do not care what someone else thinks.

Like i said before. Bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

182. and if a racist said that.....would you be impressed with the response?

"I don't care what someone else thinks....like I said before "insert racist term here"


that an okay statement in your mind?

[bravenak]

183. You have already corrected my speech like a slave today, so...

[VanillaRhapsody]

184. No I corrected a sexist term you used.....

apparently you didn't realize it was....and needed it pointed out (repeatedly)

This is not a racial attack....as hard as you are trying to make it one...it is not.

[bravenak]

185. I love white ladies correcting me all the time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

186. this has nothing to do with your race or mine....

like I said...as hard as you are trying to make it seem so.....its about sexism.

Condoleeza Rice, Beyonce and Michelle Obama all seem to agree with me that it is....

[bravenak]

188. They never ever realize how rude and insulting it is for us to be told what words we are allowed to

use.
Then they bring up Oprah, Beyonce, Michelle, or Rihanna to make their point more palatable.

[VanillaRhapsody]

189. do you think Condoleeza Rice, Michelle Obama and Beyonce are trying to be rude and insulting

by asking you NOT to use that term too? You kept bringing up race...I am just trying to show you that support for NOT using that term....crosses racial divides.

[bravenak]

190. No. You are using them to try to get to me emotionally because they are black.

People do this all the time to us. It's pretty textbook.
They say something, you say no. They say so and so (rich back woman) thinks like them so I should be like (rich black woman).

[VanillaRhapsody]

191. Nope....but you are still in denial....

Now its a class thing too? Do I have to also find poor women to tell you its a sexually charged word? It has nothing to do with race or class...it has to do with GENDER!

[bravenak]

192. Sorry. Don't agree.

Just because some people decide something, doesn't mean they are right or that it applies in every circumstance.
Bye. Vanilla.

[VanillaRhapsody]

193. Of course you don't....that is what a sexist would say....and I don't think you ARE one...but...

You refuse to retract soo...

Do you understand that racists or homophobes would say something like that too?..(In fact I have heard them say very similar)

"Just because some people decide something, doesn't mean they are right or that it applies in every circumstance. "

[bravenak]

194. I have had racists tell me what words to use.

And try to 'correct' me. They have been doing it for so many centuries they don't even notice that they are thinking too highly of their own opinion and have respect only for themselves.

[VanillaRhapsody]

195. and I have had sexists do the same....

I am sure Gay people do too...

I would tell you or any other person who used that word....the same thing.

[bravenak]

196. Funny I don't care what words YOU use. You are more concerned about my word usage.

And you demanded I stop using one and then tried to bully me by calling me names afterward.

[VanillaRhapsody]

200. oh....now it becomes "bully"

I called a term you used SEXIST....and you denied it and refused to retract it....what would you call someone who refused to retract a racial term?

[bravenak]

202. You are a bully.

[VanillaRhapsody]

204. And you use sexist terms!

not just a term...a slur!

[bravenak]

207. And you are overbearing and attack and bully people who don't agree with you.

You constantly berate, demand, put down, and tell others to leave the party and firm their own. You ridicule anyone with an opinion on another candidate. You call people names when you don't get your way. Bully.

[VanillaRhapsody]

208. Yeah that is what people say when they get proven wrong.

Your bullying me!

That is what my White racist family members say when I tell them not to use racist terms....

[bravenak]

211. Poor you.

Such a victim of the black woman 'sexist' who called you bossy. Lol!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

212. No poor you.....

even if you are a woman ...

11 Ways To Avoid Sounding Like a Sexist Jerk–Even If You’re a Woman

http://time.com/22004/how-to-not-sound-like-a-sexist-jerk-even-if-youre-a-woman/

[bravenak]

214. There, there. You'll feel better soon..

Using force doesn't always work.

[VanillaRhapsody]

215. I didnt use force....unless you call supporting evidence as force...

Grandmom always said..."a poor excuse is better than no excuse"

Often the simplest and most useful test is: would this word be applied to a straight, white man? In the case of bossy, almost certainly not (Margaret Thatcher was called “bossy”; it would be unthinkable to describe any other British prime minister as “bossy”).

[bravenak]

217. Sure...

You are not forcefull at ALL.

You evidence is opinion articles, and the fact that rich black ladies agree with you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

221. Nope just being right.....

[bravenak]

225. You wish.

Aren't you the one telling people to leave and form their own party? Telling them they are not Democrats? Telling them who they should vote for? Being nasty about it? Seems kinda bossy. But the word bossy kills your vibe. Bullcrap. You are using sexism to win the fight. And Michelle Obama for some reason. And Oprah and Beyonce. Phony tactics get called phony. It was phony and obvious what you were doing.

[VanillaRhapsody]

228. I know...and I proved it...

and yet you are still denying it.....that is the point.

[bravenak]

230. You are too funny!!!

And sadly wrong and bossy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

231. Happily right....and happily have Michelle Obama agreeing with me...

and there is an entire campaign to get people NOT to use that word....and I proved that....

[bravenak]

233. Still laughing.

You and Michelle. I better agree, or else!! LOL!

[VanillaRhapsody]

234. Do what you want....but if you don't want to be associated with sexism....

then you will elect not to use that term.....because it is based on stereotypes....I think you of all people understand about certain terms being associated with racists..how do you feel about the Army still using the term "negro"? They seem to be more enlightened than you are....they have changed their mind about using it now...

[bravenak]

235. Then you need to watch the way you tell black women what words they are allowed to use.

Kinda getting old.

[VanillaRhapsody]

236. Your race had nothing to do with it....I keep telling you that....

I would tell you the same thing if you were purple with green polka dots...

I am telling a woman that she is using a sexist term....

[bravenak]

237. I don't believe you now.

You haven't been correcting the speech of white people for hours and demanding they speak a certain way.

You don't want to seem, well, you know. Like one of those.

And I am telling you woman to woman you are using an old tactic used by the majority for many year to control the speech and manners of blacks. The constant correction, the modeling of wealthier blacks to show them what you think they should be like, the berating, the name calling for lack of agreement. Old tactic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

239. I definitely would if they called a woman that term....

It is DEFINITELY a sexually charged slur.....period. YOU never use it but particularly to women...it is based on stereotypes....and I know you KNOW this....and that is why I won't let you off the hook.

Or since you seem to think NO ONE should dare point out to you that you said something sexist....but I bet you reserve the right to tell someone they are using a racist term....How is this any different than that?

and if it were a slur of homosexuals...I would do the same....

[bravenak]

240. And I won't let you off the hook either.

I hope to see you correcting the speech of white people soon just as forcefully. Otherwise I'll know exactly what's up.

[VanillaRhapsody]

241. You definitely would....you must not know my reputation....

somehow...because I pointed out YOUR use of a sexual slur.....its all because I am a racist???? Is that your logic?

[bravenak]

242. I am wondering why you are so worried about my use of that word.

When there are plenty of other worse words in use right now. Black people constantly get monitered for speech errors. And then they get corrected. Constantly.

Your opinion is not fact. The words means what it means and I used it appropriately. Anyone can find an article and a few people who support their position. But you seem to think that your opinion should be law and that it is up to you to berate and correct me for hours. Seems kinda odd. Kinda Jim crowish. If you had just said something once, I could believe you. But the fact that you are demading sonething of me and threatening to correct me in the future if i do not bend to your will, seems so imposing and privileged. You would never ever talk to me in that way to my face. You would be afraid to tell me what I better not say. You are a chat banger.

[backwoodsbob]

305. why

are you so bossy?

[VanillaRhapsody]

223. again...do I have to find poor women to make you a believer?

[bravenak]

226. I am a poor woman.

You lose.

[VanillaRhapsody]

227. there is no winner or loser...just right or wrong...or are you the ONLY poor woman in the world?

Note to self....start polling poor women so that Bravenak can understand that "bossy" is a sexist term...based on stereotypes directed almost exclusively towards those of the female persuasion.

[bravenak]

229. You are just wrong.

Bet you don't know many poor women at all if you think the word bossy is at the top of the list of problems for them to ponder.

[pangaia]

297. YEA !!!!!!!!!!!

[SwampG8r]

218. uppity?

There the not so subtle dog whistle of racism the Clinton's made famous in 08

[VanillaRhapsody]

220. I used it to show a similarity...nothing to do with Hillary in this case....

it was about making a point in that sexism is not that much different....that's why I used quotation marks....

[pangaia]

296. I'm going to follow this one. :>)))

I never knew if vanilla was a man or a woman. Now I know. She thought you were a man, and therefore sexist because...??

BUT, turns out you are NOT a man...
In fact you are..black.. and black but not a man is...a black woman.. oh my goodness.
And I am a 71 year old white man. Now SHE knows that, also.

But I was once married to a black woman...which means.. ? I have no idea what it means..

OK, now I will read the rest..


PS Bossy ain't the word for it... entertaining....
I'm trying to have a discussion with HER, but.. it is not easy....

[bravenak]

312. It's not easy at all.

Such a demanding person. I was amusing myself after a while, though.

[pangaia]

313. Yea, I could tell. That's why I kept reading.

I do the same thing.

[Rex]

314. I can't believe she tried to tell you what words you could use.

Very interesting sub-thread. Answered some of the questions roaming around in my mind.

[bravenak]

315. I found it quite revealing, indeed I did.

Very Bossy.

[LawDeeDah]

87. The choices are not here yet!

LOL!
keep on keeping on, you amuse me to no end.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. Oh so there are no names being floated about at all!!!!

NOBODY is going to be President in 2 yrs! (Even if polls suggest otherwise)

[LawDeeDah]

148. I could float Gilligans name. So what.

NoBody Is In the Game Yet, Offically.

get it? So don't take that winning ticket you think you have to cash in quite yet.

[VanillaRhapsody]

150. and what are Gilligans polling numbers?

You taking the over or under on dear Gilligan?

[LawDeeDah]

152. actually, I would choose Gilligan

he's not that smart as well, but he is honest.

[VanillaRhapsody]

155. Again....then you are not a Democrat....so why should Democrats give a rats ass what you think

anyways?

[LawDeeDah]

157. and you are not a... ummm, Florist!

take that!

I know who I am. You don't get to define me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

159. I know who you are now too.....

and yes I can define what an Independent is......and if you are not committed to vote for the Democrat after the Primary.....then you are actually an Independent. It is all pretty simple really.

[LawDeeDah]

165. what primary, what teleport into the future you have there?

omg this is better than tv.

something IS pretty simple, REALLY!

[VanillaRhapsody]

167. are you a loyal Democrat...or a Fair Weather Independent?

its very simple....either you are or you aren't....

[LawDeeDah]

170. I have independent thoughts, is that okay with you?

[VanillaRhapsody]

171. an Independent... guilty as charged...

how about that....

The reason you are playing this game....is because you KNOW that if it were truly revealed that you are an Independent....you understand that your opinion is not really important to actual Democrats anymore you are not a reliable member....you cannot be counted on...you are "INdependent" afterall.......fair weather friend. You obviously know and understand this.....but you are trying very hard to be obtuse....too hard...it gives you away.

[LawDeeDah]

180. the I was not capitalized.

I am independent, I have my own thoughts that lean way into the liberal and democratic spectrum, I don't have your thoughts. I have mine. Understand?

[VanillaRhapsody]

197. It doesn't matter...if you cannot confirm that you are committed to vote for whomever wins the

Primary...you are STILL an Independent Understand? Democrats will gladly tell you that they support whomever their fellow DEMOCRATS elect in the Primary....

[LawDeeDah]

210. you are commited in thinking Hillary will win the primary

I am not.
This does matter.

[VanillaRhapsody]

213. as I have said...many times over and over

I am committed to vote for the winner of the Primary...

Hillary has 64% support AND beats ALL Republicans....she is head and shoulders the best candidate....until you can produce one that can show numbers better.....she is in the catbird seat....just because you don't like her...doesn't negate reality. And I for one do NOT want to risk a President Bush or Cruz.

[LawDeeDah]

222. Reality will show its face.

I'm just guessing now, not absolutely positively like you are with your crystal ball (ocks). Reality will show

There are other people involved in this! I hazard a thought there might *gasp!!! be others on stage besides HILLARY!!!!

Hillary is a loser. She coming out so early in the game just wears the boredom down to, GO AWAY. whatever graphs W. Wall says or Money Me.comClinton says

[VanillaRhapsody]

224. reality is accepting the truth....

You do not have anyone that can compete with her numbers....and besides...you are not committed to vote for the Democratic Primary winner regardless who it is....so your opinion doesn't mean very much to me.

[LawDeeDah]

232. let's just revisit 2008, and revisit and visit again.

the Clintons, the big shots, DA MACHINE, LOST,

to a BLACK MAN with a terroristy kinda name.

I love Obama, I always will for the many things he represents in the goodness of people. He shows it all the time. But yeh, i understand he is just a hood ornament on a dangerous machine. I get that. I also get that a Clinton is not into that vibe at all. History.

[backwoodsbob]

307. will you commit right now

If EW or Bernie wins the primary will you vote for them?

[VanillaRhapsody]

286. I don't care about your thoughts....I care about whether or not you are a Democrat...

ANY Democrat will readily admit to being able to vote for WHOMEVER wins our Primary....you apparently cannot. So again...I don't care about your thoughts.....you don't respond like a Democrat would.

[djean111]

289. You DO know that you are just one of the posters here, right?

It is ludicrous to think you can "demand" things.
Anyway, once a thread hijacking gets this hilarious, no one is inclined to even pay attention to what you are sputtering on and on about, methinks.

[Union Scribe]

290. Just one period will suffice thanks.

We're here in the middle of a period shortage and there you are using three of them at the end of every sentence.

[noiretextatique]

285. OMG...are you demanding loyalty oaths now?

i hope you get paid well for your work.

[VanillaRhapsody]

287. It is what it is....either you are a Democrat...or an Independent who leans Democrat...

Its pretty frickin easy to understand...

My grandparents who voted for FDR voted Democrat all their lives and wouldn't consider anything else.....was there something wrong with that? Were they obligated by oath?

There is nothing in writing...you are free to vote however you want....just don't expect to be called a Democrat if you cannot vote for whom fellow Democrats elect in a Primary....that's called Democracy....

"You can't always get what you want.....but if you try some time....you get what you need"

And by the way....when the election season starts....DU holds us to that "oath".

[noiretextatique]

306. i am not a democrat

i am a green party member, and i have been for over twenty years. i support democratic candidates, and i will probably continue to do so. but, i am not taking any damn oath, and i will be supporting the most liberal candidate in the primary. if that person is an independent, so be it. i certainly hope the nominee is not clinton because i don't believe she will win.

[Comrade Grumpy]

308. I see the ghost of Joe McCarthy...wearing a clown suit.

[pangaia]

298. How do you know she is not a florist?

She very well may be. If so, then she's gotcha....

One thing we know, she sure is... bossy !

[arcane1]

78. Bingo. It's pure fear-mongering.

[mylye2222]

82. "Hillary Or The Apocalypse"

In that no alternative to this family is possible.

[VanillaRhapsody]

90. Hillary or....what you got....that is still in single digits!

64% to all single digits....

[LawDeeDah]

93. do you want Hillary or do you want zits?

do you want Hillary or do you want whowho to clamup?
I think I might vote for Hillary in that case. Tough choice.

[VanillaRhapsody]

118. zits or zilch....cause your polls are closer to zilch than to beating Hillary for the Primary....

[davidpdx]

115. Yep, exactly

It's the "Hillary is the only one that can save us" meme.

[VanillaRhapsody]

120. and who do you have up your sleeve?

What you holding....show your hand please!

You got nada!

You know the old saying....A bird in the hand is worth three in the bush! And this one even beats "the Bush"

[davidpdx]

125. I have a rude person who goes around thinking they know it all

and has a huge chip on their shoulder that claims that only one candidate can win. How long before your kind start playing the sexist card? More inevitability from the inevitability police.

[bravenak]

128. Already calling me sexist.

[davidpdx]

132. Yes, I know

I saw that. That is some ugly ugly shit.

[bravenak]

133. Thank goodness I get amused rather than angry.

[VanillaRhapsody]

203. Know the hell you don't

a term she used against me....WAS sexist....and I called her on it...it had nothing to do with her support or lack thereof...for Hillary Clinton...

You have already been wrong once tonight...

[VanillaRhapsody]

199. I called a term you used Sexist....not your opposition of Hillary!

get real!

[bravenak]

205. The term is not sexist coming from me to you.

It just stating my opinion on your ways of demanding obedience.

[VanillaRhapsody]

206. Its not JUST coming from me.....

I do recall...Michelle Obama requests it be retired as well...I am just stating who else agrees with me....but Michelle is just trying to "oppress your speech" right?

[bravenak]

209. You make demands where others make requests.

That is why you got called that. It fits.

[VanillaRhapsody]

246. No...I pointed it out...YOU refused to retract it no matter how much support I found

you denied and denied it again...THAT is why it FEELS like you got demanded...

Did you call me that? Because I do know some real actual racists that think someone calling THEM a racist...makes the other person a racist...its the same logic. Because I DARE point out to you that you used a sexist term...therefore ipso facto...I MUST be racist!

[bravenak]

247. No retraction for truth.

[VanillaRhapsody]

248. then okay...accept being thought of as sexist....and perpetuating the problem "Stockholm Syndrome"?

and the truth shall set you free...

Don’t Call Girls Bossy. Or Grown Women Aggressive.

Seriously, don’t do it. And while you’re at it, don’t call them pushy, angry, brusque, ballbusters, bitchy, careerist, cold, calculating — you get the point. Also: shrill and strident, both of which imply high-pitched and screechy women a la your mother, finger pointed, scolding you to clean your room. Bossy is the subject of the new Sandberg campaign, but it’s something linguists have written about for decades. The reality is that these words are rooted in stereotype, and they are only applied to women.

[bravenak]

249. Don't tell me what to do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

250. Its not me...its an entire campaign

and a lot of racists and homophobes don't like being told what to do either.....when you point out their use of language...

[bravenak]

251. And alot of bossy people like to control others.

[VanillaRhapsody]

252. Yea...so do alot of racists, homophobes and misogynists...

you can call me it till the cows come home...doesn't change the fact that it IS a sexist term...

[bravenak]

253. And latent racists like to correct black people above all others. All day long.

For hours.

[VanillaRhapsody]

256. anyone on this board would laugh at the very notion that you think that I am singling YOU out

because of your race....

Thats ridiculous....and you can do that till the cows come home too...for the most part I don't know what color or gender most people on this board are....if not for your words and avatar I would not know yours either...Everyone that criticises you...is not a racist.

[bravenak]

257. I didn't even know you were a woman until you called me a sexist.

[VanillaRhapsody]

258. and THAT proves my point!

Exactly...thank you...you didn't know....so therefore...probably best not to use that term.

[bravenak]

259. You could have been a bossy man.

[VanillaRhapsody]

260. Yeah right....sure...sure....makes perfect sense...

I am sold I tell ya!



Its still a sexist term....and turns out I AM a woman....so I called you on your error!

[bravenak]

261. A bossy one.

[VanillaRhapsody]

262. but not a sexist one....

I just calls em like I sees em...

[bravenak]

263. Don't know that for sure.

Do know you seem to have other issues.

[VanillaRhapsody]

264. but we know someone is....

that we know for sure...because that person continues to use the same sexist term....after the error was pointed out repeatedly....


If you checked out the Army manual...and it called African Americans Negroes.....would you say something or let it slide? Would you protest that term? Or would you just overlook that error?

THAT is the point I am trying to make to you.....

[bravenak]

265. You just tried to boss me out of using the word bossy.

But only for women. We can still call men whatever we like. Wtf? You're the boss maam. Yes maam! You decide who to vote for, who is a Democrat, who is independent, who needs to leave DU, what to say, hiw to say it, who is sexist, who is the winner, you decide everything. And you demand to not be called bossy while bossing people around. Then bully anyone who disagrees.

You member that thing you said about racists getting mad when you call them racist? You're like that with bossy.

Btw. We live in a sexist world. It affects all of us. Even me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

266. Nope...just proving a point to you....

Yes it is sexist...just like it is racist....and homophobic....but we don't have to stand by and accept it now do we? I have thrown people out of my home for using a racial epithet...more than once in fact....Why should I overlook a fellow Democrat using a sexist one?

[bravenak]

267. You proved nothing except that some people agree with you.

Does not make my use of the word sexist. Sorry. I was describing what you were doing. You were bossing people around all day long. Very forcefully telling them they did not belong here. Telling me what not to say. Deriding people. Bullying. Own it. Don't hide from yourself.

Google the song Bossy. That's how I use the word. Don't care what a bunch of rich ladies say. That word is not holding me down. In my culture strong women are respected. We head the family. And yes, I'm bossy my damn self. It is a good thing. I run my own program and I'll run other's too if they let me.

Keep feeling beatdown by the word bossy. I bet you would just shrivel if you got called half the names I have been called if this is the worst thing in the world to you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

268. an actual campaign against using the term...particularly against women

doesn't prove that the word is sexist??? What would? Does Rush Limbaugh have to say it? OOOHHHH I get it....Only when YOU say it its not!!!



Often the simplest and most useful test is: would this word be applied to a straight, white man? In the case of bossy, almost certainly not (Margaret Thatcher was called “bossy”; it would be unthinkable to describe any other British prime minister as “bossy”).

[bravenak]

269. There is a campaign against weed.

Does that mean the drug war is a good thing? Please.

[VanillaRhapsody]

270. and then...

Call a little girl “bossy” and she starts to avoid leadership roles because she’s afraid of being seen as unlikeable. People are already wary of assertive women at work, but call a woman “aggressive” out loud and they will probably like her less. Call a female politician a ballbuster enough times, and people may actually be less likely to vote for her. Words tell us something about the way our culture perceives women in power, and whether we believe they’re supposed to be there.

and

http://time.com/22004/how-to-not-sound-like-a-sexist-jerk-even-if-youre-a-woman/

[bravenak]

271. Call me bossy and I pick up a clipboard and direct you.

Must be a generational difference. I boss my husband around often. He tries to boss me but I am THE boss. Sorry. I like being the boss. So do my daughters. Sorry you don't feel empowered by being bossy. I do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

272. Sooo....if an African American uses the N word....does it make it acceptible?

http://banbossy.com/

[bravenak]

273. I don't care.

I don't even care if mixed groups of kids use it back and forth. Generational differences.
My white friends do call me up,and say, 'What up, n$gga?" And i be like 'What up?"

Why should I be all sensitive with people who mean nothing negative by it? Throw an er on the end and it means sonething different. We know what's meant by how it's said. I take it case by case and give people benefit of doubt.

Our cultures are blending. There will be cultural appropriation. Period. Fight it and it stays around forever.

[VanillaRhapsody]

274. is it acceptable to use or not.....

OHHHH so you think YOU should get a pass on the term? Well I and alot of other folks...including the Girl Fucking Scouts....beg to differ!

[bravenak]

275. I don't care who uses it.

Nobody cares what I think. And what do the girl scouts have to do with anything? Now I need kids bossing me too?

[VanillaRhapsody]

276. but lots of other people DO....including little girls

You should banish it from your vocabulary...


Some people do not care about the name of the Washington DC football team either....

[bravenak]

277. I will do as I please.

This campaign will bear no fruit.

[VanillaRhapsody]

278. and so will racists and homophobes.....

your campaign thus far is bearing no truths...




I am woman hear me roar!!!

[bravenak]

279. You should post a thread about bossy then and get a bunch of people to agree with you more.

You have so many on your side, you should make it official. Tell DU the word bossy is banned. Let people know you will be on them like white on rice if the step out if line and ever say a woman is any version of the word bossy. Only men can be bossy. It is known.

What is the appropriate word for women who constantly berate and tell others what to do? I thought we used tge same word for both genders but I guess we have a female specific term? Or is there just no term for women and we just pretend not to notice when they do it?
Because I never got the memo, and I don't think it's on any master list of things we can only call men on DU.

[VanillaRhapsody]

280. I don't have to...I have this

whoops there's that Girl Scout logo again!

[bravenak]

282. Good night.

I have to go back to being THE Boss in my family right now. Things to do. Ttyl.

[VanillaRhapsody]

283. Being the boss is far removed from being called a sexist term...

[VanillaRhapsody]

284. But never fear....the Rightwing agrees with your position...

[VanillaRhapsody]

146. awww.....did I hurt your feelings because I don't agree with you?

[davidpdx]

162. Nope

I feel sorry for you. To have that big of a chip on your shoulder must be hard.

[VanillaRhapsody]

163. Oh so are you actually going to claim you WEREN'T talking about me?

seriously???

quote:

I have a rude person who goes around thinking they know it all

and has a huge chip on their shoulder that claims that only one candidate can win. How long before your kind start playing the sexist card? More inevitability from the inevitability police.

[davidpdx]

166. See my edited post

I thought it was a response to what I said to Bravenak.

[VanillaRhapsody]

169. and this changes what I said how....here is what you said before you changed it:

I have a rude person who goes around thinking they know it all

and has a huge chip on their shoulder that claims that only one candidate can win. How long before your kind start playing the sexist card? More inevitability from the inevitability police.

that is a pretty big "edit"

[davidpdx]

173. Yes, because in the context I was talking about someone else who said something to another person

I essentially responded to the wrong post. It happens. My edited post fixed that.

[LawDeeDah]

143. nothing up your sleeve!

[LawDeeDah]

86. front runner made by the media, that should ringy some bells.

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. front-runner made by polls...

that show her at 64% approval (the pack are still in single digits)

and ahead of EVERY Republican including Jeb Bush...

I am sure that rings your bell!

[LawDeeDah]

98. Front runner in What?

See, you don't get it. Hillary might not even throw her hat in and here yar, wasting energy and personal capital.
The media sure wants her as a front runner for many reasons (huggy huggy big money), and all none to do with the betterment of anything for the rabble.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. Among every known potential candidate for President in 2016 Democrat, Republican or Other....

[LawDeeDah]

145. 100. Among every known potential candidate for President in 2008 Democrat, Republican or Other....

[VanillaRhapsody]

153. Yes exactly

If you have one with better numbers.....put up!

[backwoodsbob]

291. What does Hillary stand for?

should we just pick her because she is polling good or do we elect someone because they believe in what we believe in?

[mylye2222]

299. She stands for herself. that is all.

[Marr]

59. lmao-- it's 2014 and you want people to 'face the fact' that your

corporate stooge as won the 2016 nomination.

Seriously, you're cracking me up.

[babylonsister]

91. It's way too early to annoint Clinton. Politics change

daily. I hope there are some viable challengers. She needs to earn it.

[Logical]

198. LOL, Same as when she ran against Obama?? nt

[Katashi_itto]

302. More from one of our resident Pro NSA, pro 1984 "advocates".

Someone that demands people leave the party without blind devotion to a party....where have I heard this before?

That alone should tell people about HRC.

[99th_Monkey]

4. Maybe Steven Colbert? nt

[pangaia]

31. Jon Stewart.

[99th_Monkey]

85. But Colbert can turn out the TeaBagger Voters!! America!!! Fuck Yah!!!

[pangaia]

294. Yee hawww good point ...!!

[craigmatic]

5. Fuck that if we can take away anything from Tuesday it's that we shouldn't take anything for granted

until the votes are counted.

[Aerows]

12. Martin O'Malley

is an exceptional choice. I think he has a chance.

[brooklynite]

110. Not after the Maryland Governor's race...

I would have concurred, and in fact had heard he would run a "friendly" campaign against Hillary. But the Republicans won MD by campaigning on his record. He's damaged goods at this point.

[Aerows]

117. Well, there is going to be somebody other than Hilary

Or Dems are going to lose the Presidential election. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but donating time or money to her campaign? Not going to happen. I'm not the only person that feels that way, either. If you think she can sway enough independents without the enthusiastic support of the base, good luck, you will need it!

[brooklynite]

127. Right now she polls ahead of any potential Republican...

...and that's before the Republicans are pushed to the right in their Primary process. I know a lot of people here don't like her or downgrade her chances, but she scored 17 million votes in the Democratic Primary against arguably one of our most popular Presidential candidates, and she was particularly competitive in the more conservative battle ground states.

Personally, I'm happy to have Bernie run, but present a serious case about how a candidate who's political experience is getting 250,000 votes in a liberal state where he'd well known translates that into winning a national election.

[Aerows]

168. Like I said

Present a serious case where a candidate doesn't have much support from the base that DOES vote and influences others to vote still wins. Any Democratic candidate is going to have a hard battle against Republicans - that's a given. If the base isn't thrilled about her and half-heartedly votes for her because they have to, not because they want to, it certainly doesn't bode well for getting Independent turnout/votes.

[Gman]

13. Don't forget that us Hillary supporters

From 08 have patiently waited for going on 7 years. We accepted nominee Obama. It's going to be Hillary's turn.

[mylye2222]

18. Other people who werent named Clinton also wished to

get this right of "it is my turn"..
Well Hillary Clinton had already a huge opportunity by serving at State. She was also infamous and powerfull in minds even before.
Why would she have a special free pass?
For instance Gore didnt get that "it is my turn now, I had enough waited"...

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Gore had an incredibly easy primary

The apparent front runner and party establishment candidate Vice President Albert Gore Jr. of Tennessee only faced one candidate in the primaries: U.S. Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey. The two campaigned to succeed the 1992 and 1996 nominee, President Bill Clinton. During the course of the five-month primary season, Gore had managed to win every single primary contest over his rival, and was easily declared the party's nominee for the 2000 Election.

Serious early speculation surrounded Bill Bradley, a U.S. Senator and former basketball player for the New York Knicks, who had long been considered a potential Democratic contender for the presidency. In December 1998, Bradley formed a presidential exploratory committee and began organizing a campaign.[2] Gore, however, had been considered the favorite for the Democratic nomination as early as 1997, with the commencement of President Bill Clinton’s second term.[3] Though numerous candidates for the Democratic nomination tested the waters, including Senator John Kerry, Governor Howard Dean,[4] Representative Richard Gephardt, and Reverend Jesse Jackson, only Gore and Bradley ultimately entered the contest.
...
Although both Gore and Bradley showed comparable success in terms of fund-raising, Bradley lagged behind Gore in many polls from the start and never gained a competitive position. Despite the late endorsement of the Des Moines Register,[8] Bradley went on to be defeated in the Iowa Caucus; Gore garnered 64% of the votes, while Bradley received only 35%.[9] Gore won the primary competition in New Hampshire as well, though by a significantly smaller margin, receiving 52% to Bradley’s 47%. After a resounding defeat on Super Tuesday, with Bradley failing to carry the majority of delegates in a single state, he withdrew from the race on March 9.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_2000_presidential_candidates

[Gman]

44. Anyway it's Hillary's turn

And that's pretty much the way it is. Sorry.

[L0oniX]

47. "it is my turn" = just like the Rmoney's.

[Gman]

55. Don't vote for her

I don't care. But she's the next nominee.

[L0oniX]

61. So you are for the destruction of the Dem party ....thanks.

[TheNutcracker]

301. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?? The new "let's forget the primary process" is alive and not well

[dflprincess]

219. Or Jeb Bush nt

[Cali_Democrat]

24. You're joking, right?

[Gman]

46. Serious as a heart attack.

[peacebird]

62. LOL! HRC will fail to secure the nomination for 16 like she did before

Did you not see how disastrous her book tour was?

[bravenak]

26. Turn???

This is not a Monarchy. There are no 'turns'. That is a turn off.

There are people who were not even old enough to vote last time she ran, do they just have to accept her because you supported her before? No.
She needs to earn new votes like she earned yours or lose.

[Gman]

49. I don't care if you support her or not

It's not my fault you weren't old enough to vote that's the politics of it regardless of how old you are.

[bravenak]

57. Except you need people my age to vote for your candidate in order to win.

Can't just tell us it's her turn, when she's been in politics since before we we're born.
Very condescending to just tell people that it's her turn because of seven years ago.
Can't win alone. Need the votes.
And it's not our fault people older than us allowed the crap to build up with the conservative revolution.
And it won't be our fault if she loses. It will be because she lost her turn again.

[Gman]

64. Your age group doesn't vote anyway.

In the unlikely event they do, they're pretty much gravy. Campaigns try to turn out the youth vote because they're extra. They fight for the older voters. You'll be there one day. That's just the way it is.

[bravenak]

71. I'm 33. I always vote.

I see the youth as important humans, not extra, like an afterthought. No wonder they tell me they don't care who wins. Neither side has one iota of respect for them, but expect respect from them.

[davidpdx]

121. I think what was said to you was totally disrespectful

No one should say that your vote doesn't count or that we should take it for granted. That is just pure and unadulterated bullshit. It is too bad that people on DU, especially those who support Clinton are so rude.

[bravenak]

124. I am quite surprised at how little our generation's input is valued.

They'd rather lose than give us a voice or try to win our votes. Quite nasty about it too. I though Republicans were the mean ones.

[davidpdx]

129. ...

[bravenak]

131. I know.

We will perservere!

[Gman]

245. There are economics to politics

And groups are valued in votes rather than dollars. Some are worth more than others. The more education and money a person has the more likely they are to vote. And those things come with age.

[bravenak]

254. And vote count no matter how much money you have.

And those with out the votes lose. And those who ignore the voters, lose the voters. We are ascending. Time to listen to us.

[DonCoquixote]

27. what?

What makes you think that Hillary is enitiled to it. Hillary ran for office and LOST, and lost because she would not shuit her bigmouthed husband up.

Hillary's turn to screw things up, and heaven forbid she loses to Jeb. Then you fools will nominate someone well to her right!

[Gman]

51. Pretty much because we feel that way

And frankly, that's good enough.

[DonCoquixote]

119. If everythign that people "felt that way" was good enough

we would still be selling slaves at markets.

[pangaia]

32. I don't believe it is anybody's 'turn.'

Sounds too much like Anne the freak..

[davidn3600]

16. Hillary vs. Jeb

Jesus Christ!

America tried to get away from ruling families when we fought the revolution, but we keep going back to it.

We need a LOT of new blood in Washington. Otherwise this will continue to be the same old shit every time.

[L0oniX]

43. The people obviously want to be ruled over / destroyed by the rich.

Some people just aren't that smart.

[hrmjustin]

28. Hillary will likely win and tgat makes me happy but there will be a primary.

It is not over at all.

[gwheezie]

29. If someone is intimidated by the clintons

They're going to pee themselves over the GOP.
So far I'll vote for Hillary but someone else could rise up. I don't think hillary is entitled to the nomination and I support her. I can think of several dems who would make good candidates other than hillary.

[Niko]

35. Would LOVE to see Dean run again

That man was an actual liberal who stuck to his principles.

[brooklynite]

113. ...and couldn't figure out how to get people to vote for him.

[LawDeeDah]

37. perfzct job by the Clintons. yep.

[L0oniX]

38. Unrec

[onehandle]

40. You have named eight Democrats* in nothing but a divisive way.

Nothing but negativity.

Name the ninth 'Democrat' you have in mind.

You do have a ninth, right?

A Democrat.

Hmm...



*Bernie is not a Democrat, but caucuses with them.

[mylye2222]

45. Yes I have one.

Mr or Mrs Averagage Middle Class ordinary American and Grassroots Registered Dem whi id fed up with this clanic and cirporate take over of his/her party and who has a passion for politics and a real knowledge ofwhat life is.

[donco]

53. time for a

change of faces.Time for the Bushes and Clinton's to go fishing.Enjoy their retirement.

[Autumn]

54. We don't even need an election. Hillary has already won!!!!!!!

[peacebird]

65. LOL! Exactly, just like she won the primary for '08 before it happened!

She was a lock! The sure thing! It would be a cakewalk to the presidency! She was inevitable!

Unbeatable!


Except she wasn't.

[Autumn]

68. Exactly. I remember all that, I was a supporter then.

Hillary's time has come and gone.

[Autumn]

151. Yep, until she wasn't.

[L0oniX]

140. When a US congress, senate & POTUS will not punish banksters & war criminals, who will you vote for.

[Autumn]

149. I'm not voting for another president who is for the 1%, banks, war and thinks republicans

have good ideas. That much I do know.

[Marr]

63. Out of all the current candidates, Hillary is the only one who's lost a pres. primary. :(

She's a proven loser.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

255. Yes, and so yesterday's news. Why not go with a real progressive who can excite the base?

[muriel_volestrangler]

292. Joe Biden lost 2 primaries - 1988 and 2008 (nt)

[still_one]

83. I disagree. If Hillary runs she will be the overwhelming favorite, and if Bernie runs he will have

Overwhelming odds against him, but the issue is beyond winning or losing, it is about bringing focus to the issues that matter, and win or lose, that is what Bernie will do, and it will make whoever is the Democratic nominee a better candidate for the general election

[brooklynite]

105. Yeah, being popular sure is a bummer, isn't it?

I mean, since when does getting 17 million people to vote for you in the last election scare off prospective opponents?

[L0oniX]

164. *

[LawDeeDah]

238. creeepy

[fadedrose]

177. How depressing nt

[aikoaiko]

187. Still plenty of time for someone to woo the left wing.

[Recursion]

281. Umm... O'Malley? Schweitzer? Patrick? Rendell? Manchin? Baldwin? Klobuchar? McRaven?

Warner? Nixon? Tester?

[Reformed Bully]

288. 2016 Obama - Biden (Michelle & Jill)

[rock]

300. So you're disappointed because a candidate is too good?

[Agnosticsherbet]

304. Jeff Boss, Vermin Supreme and Robby Wells are currently the only declared candidates.

Jeff Boss, Vermin Supreme and Robby Wells.

Possible Candidates are: Jim Webb, Brian Schweitzer (very unlikely), Bernie Sanders (Will need to change party to run in the Democratic Party Primary), Ed Rendell (Will run if Hillary doesn't), Martin O'Malley, Hillary Rodham Clinton (You can look her up yourself), Joe Biden (“I look out on that field, and first thing I think is, ‘Coach, put me in, man, I’m ready to play,’”)

Howard Dean (I hope Hillary Clinton becomes president) has joined Warren to support Hillary Clinton. Why do they think that Clinton is the best Candidate? No one talks about that.

Joe Manchin (Gag me with a spoon) has been mentioned, but there is nothing recent. If he does enter the Democratic Primary, he will be running in the wrong party's primary.


If someone is too afraid of the Clinton Machine, then they don't deserve to be President.

I will vote for the best candidate in the Presidential Primary. Currently, that is Vermin Supreme. I may change my mind when I see other candidates who have the courage and conviction to run.

In the general election, sadly, there will be no choice. Allowing a Republican the power to appoint the next two to four Supreme Court Judges, and to appoint dozens of judges to lower courts, is unacceptable.

[LWolf]

309. While I don't disagree with your assessment,

I can't agree with your acceptance.

As the defiant idealist that I am, I will not go gently into that good night.

[Old Nick]

310. 2008

"drops mic"

[TBF]

311. You're assuming no other

dems want to run and I think that is VERY presumptuous.

So this can be one of two things -

1) Hillary supporter who can not accept anyone else

2) Hillary hater who is stirring things up in hopes of angering dems


Frankly, I'm not buying what you're selling either way. I'm waiting for the primary season to see which names are really on the ballot and who gets attention in Iowa. It may be someone who isn't even on our radar yet.