I think Mr. President will veto the pipeline crap. What do you think?

[lonestarnot]

[NV Whino]

1. Nope

In his hands across the aisle bipartisan crap way, he will sign the bill.

Hope I'm wrong.

[lonestarnot]

4. I heard him talking about it this am. Sounds like he gets it.

[lamp_shade]

2. I think he will too.

[Enrique]

3. i think he'll make a deal

use the threat of the veto to get the builders to spread the benefits of it around more.

[demmiblue]

5. I think it partly depends on if there are enough votes to override the veto. n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

6. Doublecross and sign it.

But, I pray that I'm wrong! I meditate that I'm wrong. I hope that I'm wrong. I wish that I'm wrong. Sometimes I just wanna be wrong.

[HereSince1628]

7. His communications office says no, but there isn't anything to veto yet.

At this point the mention of veto by the WH is a clear attempt to influence the senate.

Maybe that's enough to stop Reid from moving it,

But, maybe Obama's really expecting to use the veto to show committment to reducing US refining dirty oil.

[Orsino]

16. He's only promised to veto a fast-track.

He's objecting to a timeline, not a pipeline.

I suspect State will give him the cover he wants to sign or veto.

[Hotler]

9. Will not happen.

he is bought and paid for. If no one from Wall St. went to jail you can bet he will not veto it. He will ram the TTP through also.

[Bettie]

10. I hope so

but, given recent history, he'll sign it in hopes that they will like him.

And Boehner will slap another kick me sign on his back at the signing ceremony.

[muntrv]

11. He should veto, if this story is true.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/14/keystone-xl-dead/

In what may be the death knell for the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, the Canadian government of Stephen Harper has approved a purely Canadian pipeline to transport the Alberta tar sands to ships waiting to send it overseas. By eliminating the pipeline which would run across the nations largest aquifer, the environmental concerns raised over Keystone XL would evaporate immediately. It handily avoids the aquifers in Canada to boot, being east of the Paskapoo Formation in Alberta, running north of the Oak Ridges Moraine Aquifer System near Toronto, and ending before reaching the Annapolis-Cornwallis Valley Aquifers in Nova Scotia. Clearly, TransCanada has learned from its mistakes in the handling of Keystone XL.

The name of this Keystone XL killer pipeline? Energy East.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025813005

[logosoco]

12. I hope he does!!!

I will give him a pass on some other things, but this is too big. This will destroy our country in many ways.
Sending vibes to him to do the right thing!!! Think of your kids, Obama!!!!!

[newfie11]

13. Nope and hope to hell I'm wrong nt

[LWolf]

14. Why would he?

I think he'll sign it.

[Autumn]

15. Why? According to this poster the pipeline is complete except for a small section.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025816200

[Amishman]

17. he likes deals, so he signs it

He will sign it to counter balance the upcoming immigration actions. He likes deals so much he gives ground when he doesn't have to...

[Nye Bevan]

18. The AFL-CIO supports it, so I am not sure.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/afl-cio-urges-approval-of-keystone-xl-pipeline/article/2555805

There's something of a balancing act between unions and environmentalists here.

[lonestarnot]

24. Unions will be happy if jobs are created. Good union jobs. Doesn't need to be a frick'n pipe-line

through the bread basket of the world. Indians are against it and it's going through lots of rez's so I'm going to go there to war with them this time as this time, I'm still alive to stand with them.

[Atman]

19. Not a chance.

He'll make a deal. We'll get screwed, the GOP will get everything it wants, then still find a way to make Obama out to be the bad guy. "We could have had these 20,000,000 new jobs years ago if Obama hadn't been such a Communist Socialist Kenyan Solyndra-loving Community Organizer!" Wait for it.

[pampango]

20. Either way it looks like 1/2 of DU'ers will be wrong.

I think he will veto it and will lower my opinion of him if he does not.

[lonestarnot]

25. Are we evenly divided?

Snort

[bigwillq]

21. I hope so (nt)

[hughee99]

22. He'll hem and haw about a veto, but eventually sign it. n/t

[CK_John]

23. Tar sand oil is much too expensive right now for a Canadian Company to build it. IMO

[lonestarnot]

26. Yes, as is the opinion of educated experts also, so you are not alone.

[merrily]

30. Yet, they seem to want it.

[bhikkhu]

27. Vetoing a private project would have to be according to some principle

His recent veto threat had nothing to do with oil and everything to do with his objection to bypassing the normal review process. Once the review process is complete, a new principle would have to be found .

Such as - reducing the efficiency of oil transportation. I don't think that should be a principle. Or - making it harder to produce oil. I don't think that should be a principle, considering we are pretty high up in the list of oil consumption per capita. Or, we could make it a policy to discourage use of oil from less "clean" sources. Which would be very complicated and controversial, and possibly hamstring the industry as the "easy" oil runs dry and more creative means of extraction become increasingly common.

Or, you could just have a carbon tax, and tax energy supplies according to their carbon footprint. No veto, and the pipeline still gets built, but it gets taxed at a rate that fairly reflects its damage to the environment.

[lonestarnot]

28. So just omit the destination of the product. Where do you think it's going to US for consumption.

Look again.

[bhikkhu]

31. There is no state-owned oil here

everything is from the world market. It doesn't matter.

[lonestarnot]

34. So why do you think they're running it right down to the coast? Who do you think is going to make

the dough when it's built? Hint: It ain't gona be us. We'll be stuck with the bill for the so called clean up, which you know or I hope you know, is never really cleaned up.

[bhikkhu]

41. They're running it to the place where the refineries and distribution centers are

where else would they run it to?

[merrily]

32. The Constitution does not restrict his veto. Morally, IMO, he should have some rational basis

for vetoing. There is enough to make a case on either side. So, he should stand by his word.

[bhikkhu]

42. His word was to veto the fast-track bill, for the reasons he gave

You have to look at what he actually said, and the reasons he actually gave. Trying to read behind the lines isn't necessary.

[Man from Pickens]

29. Not a chance

Time to come to terms with Obama being a better friend to corporate interests than our interests.

[Cha]

33. LOL.. looks like you've hooked a bunch of naysays, lonestarnot.. you know how I feel about it..

President Obama on XLKeystone..

snip//

In some of his strongest language yet, Obama pushed back against the Republican argument that the pipeline is a “massive jobs bill for the United States.”

“Understand what this project is: It is providing the ability of Canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the Gulf, where it will be sold everywhere else. It doesn't have an impact on US gas prices,” he said, growing visibly frustrated.

“If my Republican friends really want to focus on what's good for the American people in terms of job creation and lower energy costs, we should be engaging in a conversation about what are we doing to produce even more homegrown energy? I'm happy to have that conversation,” he continued.

MOre..
http://abcnews.go.com/US/obama-doubles-immigration-keystone-pipeline/story?id=26905484

snip//

President Barack Obama said the Keystone XL Pipeline won't create as many jobs as supporters claim as the House prepares to vote today on a bill to approve the controversial project.

During his visit to Myanmar, Obama also said the pipeline won't lead to lower energy costs for Americans. At the same time, the White House stopped short of saying the president will veto the bill that Republicans are pushing.

MOre..
http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/015651.asp

[lonestarnot]

36. He gets it man. He's going to veto that crap.

[Cha]

37. Lonestarnot..

[lonestarnot]

39. See you on the rez cha!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Or, will he make a deal for votes on another bill? Or, talk about the need to compromise?

Or, say something like "send me a bill I can sign"? Or, sugarcoat surrender in some other way?

[lonestarnot]

38. I've watched him do that shit too. Makes me puke thinking about it, but on this nope.

[ZombieHorde]

40. I have no idea what he will do.

I would not be surprised either way.