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Million Mask March on London's Parliament and in DC, right now. (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 OP
Wonder how many showed up to vote yesterday? dilby Nov 2014 #1
As a Millennial, I have many on my Facebook. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #2
Thank you shenmue Nov 2014 #8
It's Guy FAWKES, not Guy Fox. smokey nj Nov 2014 #16
I'm so sick of those ridiculous masks. They should walk into a fucking voting booth instead. arcane1 Nov 2014 #3
Yeah, cause voting turned out so well ............... dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #4
When two thirds of voters don't even bother to show up, this is what we get. arcane1 Nov 2014 #6
How do you know that they didn't? Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #5
Most voters didn't. Why not have a march BEFORE the election, with a GOTV slogan? arcane1 Nov 2014 #7
Because BEFORE wasn't the 5th of November. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #10
Right, the religious terrorist and the comic-book movie. Completely irrelevant. arcane1 Nov 2014 #11
It is a global protest. Not everything is about the US. Nearly 500 locations around the Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #13
To what end? "We need mass mobilization to effect change" is rather vague arcane1 Nov 2014 #15
Each town and city will likely decide to what end. The grievances of the people Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #21
And besides, this was a global protest in about 500 locations around the world Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #12
IOW Caretha Nov 2014 #20
Of course I am! I'm frustrated at the apathy in the electorate. arcane1 Nov 2014 #22
Buddy Caretha Nov 2014 #26
Get over yourself first. Insulting DUers is not cool. arcane1 Nov 2014 #28
Possibly never Caretha Nov 2014 #29
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I have no morals because I voted? arcane1 Nov 2014 #30
I always say what I mean Caretha Nov 2014 #32
Then please, enlighten me: why do you say I have no "moral fortitude"? arcane1 Nov 2014 #33
I'm not the one Caretha Nov 2014 #34
As suspected, you have nothing. Now please go away. arcane1 Nov 2014 #35
No Caretha Nov 2014 #36
I said "Good Day!" arcane1 Nov 2014 #37
Actually, she had a lot. You merely refused to address it. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #47
actually....it is your age group that fucked us into this..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38
Peace & Love Caretha Nov 2014 #40
Too bad...but it IS the truth....they sold out! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #41
believe me Caretha Nov 2014 #46
I have done it..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49
For some strange reason, people think the anti-war, feminist, social and economic justice Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #51
they were not one group...you named 3 right there.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #52
Each separately was a small segment of society and collectively they Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #54
I don't give a fuck....the fact remains.....they did this.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #55
Okay, you have me intrigued. Could you expand on the white male privilege aspect, Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #56
For every hippie, there were 10 Mitt Romneys. And the police to back them up... Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #42
Not nearly enough....WE (I am in that generation) didn't show up.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #43
51% of those who voted were between the ages of 31-59. A lot of us voted. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #45
Okay then....I take that part back....but still the average age...65 VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50
For the record, no - the average age was in the early 50s muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #57
It appears to be proactive rather than reactive myself. Change takes Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #39
exactly undergroundpanther Nov 2014 #44
Hello underground panther. Thanks for the post! Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #53
Again, how do you know they didn't vote? You sound just like my conservative father Zorra Nov 2014 #14
Yep. Dirty hippie. Cut your hair! Get a job! Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #17
I have shoulder-length hair myself. But please, smear me. arcane1 Nov 2014 #18
And yet, no evidence whether those attending the protest in the U.S. voted or not... Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #23
And I'm likely correct n/t arcane1 Nov 2014 #24
Good demonstration marions ghost Nov 2014 #9
Using the face of a religious terrorist is pretty fucked up. NYC Liberal Nov 2014 #19
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks those masks are stupid arcane1 Nov 2014 #25
Actually, it is modeled after an anti-fascist 1980s comic book character Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #31
The symbolism of the mask... yallerdawg Nov 2014 #27
just like the black flag undergroundpanther Nov 2014 #48

dilby

(2,273 posts)
1. Wonder how many showed up to vote yesterday?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:33 PM
Nov 2014

Maybe if we opened polls at 5 PM and let them stay open till 1 AM, served alcohol and allowed people to wear Guy Fox masks we could get some of these young voters who seem to not be able to wake up before the crack of noon.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
2. As a Millennial, I have many on my Facebook.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:35 PM
Nov 2014

They're all libertarian-leaning, impoverished and never vote.

They think it makes them edgy or something.

Millennial women on my Facebook like my liberal rants by a 5-1 margin.

It's the sexually frustrated white boys who need to grow up.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. I'm so sick of those ridiculous masks. They should walk into a fucking voting booth instead.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:45 PM
Nov 2014

"Boo hoo! I dropped out of the system and now I'm complaining that other people aren't fixing it for me. Therefore, I'll drop out even more!"

Gimmie a fucking break. Any dumb-ass can put on a mask and shout inane slogans.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. When two thirds of voters don't even bother to show up, this is what we get.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:28 PM
Nov 2014

And then those same idiots will use this outcome to say that voting is the problem.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. Most voters didn't. Why not have a march BEFORE the election, with a GOTV slogan?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:32 PM
Nov 2014

Nope, much easier to whine about "the system"

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. Because BEFORE wasn't the 5th of November.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:25 PM
Nov 2014

Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
13. It is a global protest. Not everything is about the US. Nearly 500 locations around the
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:34 PM
Nov 2014

world. They are using this years protest as a spring board to joining "Moral Mondays"

You asked my why now and not before the vote. I told you why.

http://www.millionmaskmarch.com/map

http://mondaymarches.org

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. To what end? "We need mass mobilization to effect change" is rather vague
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

I support protests and mass movements, but in the context of a pathetic voter turnout, what good does it do?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
21. Each town and city will likely decide to what end. The grievances of the people
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:44 PM
Nov 2014

in Ljubljana, Slovenia will not be the same as those in Oakland, California.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. And besides, this was a global protest in about 500 locations around the world
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:30 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.millionmaskmarch.com/map

I personally know 4 people who worked tirelessly during this election volunteering...on the phones and going door to door who are attending in San Francisco.
 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
20. IOW
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:44 PM
Nov 2014

you are speaking out your ass and just assuming & giving us your opinion that these protesters are not voters. Go away already.

Heh...who needs it?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
22. Of course I am! I'm frustrated at the apathy in the electorate.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

I was out there protesting the Iraq invasion along with thousands of others, including many DUers at my side, and where did that get us? Our elected officials voted for it.

this whole "unfuck the system" stunt just looks like petulance to me.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
26. Buddy
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:52 PM
Nov 2014

you are way out of your league.

I was protesting the VN war, Ive been married to 2 VN Vets and was out burning my fuckin' bra & protesting VN before you even wet your diapers.

Get over yourself and figure out why the "electorate" isn't voting.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Get over yourself first. Insulting DUers is not cool.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:55 PM
Nov 2014

How old must I be before I can speak for myself? I'm 47 now, how much longer must I wait before my opinion reaches your august heights?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I have no morals because I voted?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:58 PM
Nov 2014

Posting while drunk is a bad idea. Try again tomorrow when you can make some sense.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
32. I always say what I mean
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:00 PM
Nov 2014

....projection is a bad bad trait. Perhaps you need to quit tippin' the bottle.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
33. Then please, enlighten me: why do you say I have no "moral fortitude"?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:02 PM
Nov 2014

Put up or shut up. So far you have been nothing but a disruptor in this thread, derailing discussion instead of cultivating it. Now's your chance to actually contribute.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
34. I'm not the one
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:06 PM
Nov 2014

projecting that people peacefully protesting are "non-voters" without a right to have their grievances heard nor a right to assemble and protest. Nor am I maliciously libeling people without one shred of evidence of their voter status due to my own perceived prejudices.

If you have moral fortitude you would never do that. Simple.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. Actually, she had a lot. You merely refused to address it.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:27 PM
Nov 2014

To quote Cathera...

"I'm no the one projecting that people peacefully protesting are "non-voters" without a right to have their grievances heard nor a right to assemble and protest. Nor am I maliciously libeling people without one shred of evidence of their voter status due to my own perceived prejudices.

If you have moral fortitude you would never do that. Simple."

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
38. actually....it is your age group that fucked us into this.....
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:13 PM
Nov 2014

the ones that did vote.....they are in your generation.....the Love and Peace and flowers generation....just fucked us for a couple election cycles AT LEAST...

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
40. Peace & Love
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:19 PM
Nov 2014

that's what you think?

Pfff

My family! My friends! Fuckin' died. Nothin' goddamned flowery about it except the caskets. You have not one clue of what you speak.

My 2nd husband, a Master Load Sgt flew over 17,000 American dead soldiers home. You think we thought it was all about "Peace & Love"?

You stink...you really really do.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. Too bad...but it IS the truth....they sold out!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:21 PM
Nov 2014

and became Teabaggers!

Avg. voting age in this election..... 65....

(by the way....my father...career military....soooo)

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
46. believe me
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:27 PM
Nov 2014

protesting is a hell of a lot harder than voting.

Try it, you might like it. It's about fucking time your generation showed up instead of running their trap.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
49. I have done it.....
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:29 PM
Nov 2014

I admitted my generation didn't show up.....and I am running my trap because I did.....but it is still the truth....YOUR generation fucked us for a couple election cycles by voting FOR them!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. For some strange reason, people think the anti-war, feminist, social and economic justice
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

movements were the majority. They were decided not. They were vilified then at near all fronts... government, media, and public opinion... hippies, civil rights activists, feminists, were all a minority segment of the population. It was the "Me" generation that didn't pick up the reigns to sustain those minority of the populations movements.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
54. Each separately was a small segment of society and collectively they
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:52 PM
Nov 2014

were a small segment of society. Most of those groups had significant crossover. Except the feminists. They were pretty much on their own.

But really, do some research. The reality of the era is much more compelling than the myth. The obstacles were huge and then when leaders and inspirations started getting killed, those who had been putting up the good fight looked to the youngsters to take up the reigns. The "Me" generation wasn't interested.

The labor movement in the U.S. is pegged to have started in 1839. It's successes and failures ebbed and flowed for a century before it started to gain real footing but even at it's height, those who belonged to a union were the minority of the population though with significant public support.

During the 1980s, when Reagan aggressively began to destroy unions, the verbal support was still there but there was no guts for the fight. Those BORN in the 60s thought we had won it all for them when the fight had just begun.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
55. I don't give a fuck....the fact remains.....they did this....
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nov 2014

65 yr olds decided this election....PERIOD....because their asses are Racists STILL! That is all this was...it wasn't even in support of the Republicans....this was a fucking ratfuck the Black guy in "our White House" election.

To deny that is analogous to denying White male Privilege...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. For every hippie, there were 10 Mitt Romneys. And the police to back them up...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:21 PM
Nov 2014

And there are still plenty of people in my generation (I'm in Obama's generation... the tag end of VN), who are willing to put their liberty on the line.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,390 posts)
57. For the record, no - the average age was in the early 50s
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 07:15 AM
Nov 2014
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2014/results/race/house#exit-polls

18-24: 7%
25-29: 6%
30-39: 13%
40-49: 19%
50-64: 33%
65 or older: 22%

So 55% were 50 or older; that 33% for the 15 years from 50 to 64 works out at a little over 2% per year, so, roughly, 50% of voters were 52 or older. That's the median, and I think the average will be very close to the median in this case (there will have been a very few in their nineties or over 100 that can push up the average, but not many, I think). The average won't be above 53, I think.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
39. It appears to be proactive rather than reactive myself. Change takes
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:15 PM
Nov 2014

many years of activism in all forms... marches, voting, letter writing, art, music, movies, posters, graffiti, hacking, doxing... so Anon wants to make an attempt to make it a public, global and sustained movement by meeting every Monday.

The chances of that happening are slim; though, I would love to see it happening. Sustained activism is hard and the burn our rate is high.

As they state, one march a year is not enough.

Prior to the Iraq war invasion, I was part of the protests that shut down the financial district of San Francisco for 3 days. Imagine if enough people had joined us to shut it down for a week or 2 weeks. And imagine that happening globally and regularly... targeted protests around the globe in alliance with localized grievances.

Unfuck the system by disrupting the system.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
14. Again, how do you know they didn't vote? You sound just like my conservative father
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

did when I was protesting the Vietnam war.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
18. I have shoulder-length hair myself. But please, smear me.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:39 PM
Nov 2014

Two-thirds of the electorate didn't vote. Most of them lean left. Do the math.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
23. And yet, no evidence whether those attending the protest in the U.S. voted or not...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

Using a group of strangers protesting globally (even in places that didn't have an election yesterday) to levy unsubstantiated accusations to vent your frustrations.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
31. Actually, it is modeled after an anti-fascist 1980s comic book character
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:58 PM
Nov 2014

From the link in the OP.

In the 1980s graphic novelists Alan Moore and David Lloyd created a comic strip, "V for Vendetta", in which the main protagonist is a cloaked anarchist who wears a grinning, moustachioed Guy Fawkes mask while battling against a fascist authoritarian state. The authors wanted to celebrate Fawkes by turning him into an anti-hero for the modern age. The comic was made into a film in 2006, and although it deviated from the original in a number of ways the mask of "V" was a faithful rendition of the stylised image from the book. Plastic masks to commemorate the release of the film were distributed to fans and could be bought online. Two years later, in January 2008, Anonymous launched "Project Chanology"—a coordinated attack on the Church of Scientology’s website which they deemed to be censoring information. Rule 17 of Anonymous's code of conduct, circulated to protesters before its "first real life public demonstration" on February 10th 2008 states: "Cover your face. This will prevent your identification from videos taken by hostiles". For those who chose to wear masks the decision was simple: taking inspiration from the last scene of the film, in which a crowd of Guy Fawkeses watch the Houses of Parliament explode, the "V for Vendetta" mask provided just the cover that Anonymous needed.

Since then the image has been adopted by the Occupy movement, and Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has also donned a Fawkes mask. It has become a regular feature of many protests. Mr Lloyd has called the mask a "convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny…it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way". Although official masks from the film are still available online, most protesters prefer to print or paint their own. And to this day the Yeomen of the Guard, the English monarch's bodyguards since 1485, still search the cellars below the Palace of Westminster before each state opening of Parliament. The spirit of Fawkes, in many regards, lives on.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
27. The symbolism of the mask...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:54 PM
Nov 2014

also expresses unity with all the peoples of the world who fight at great risk to themselves and their families agaist oppression from the government, any government.

"Remember, remember the 5th of November..."

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
48. just like the black flag
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:28 PM
Nov 2014

A symbol of mourning all injustices and abuses of all peoples everywhere,in history,the present and future.

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