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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMillion Mask March on London's Parliament and in DC, right now.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMaskMarch?src=hashRallying cry: UNFUCK THE WORLD!!!
DC:
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/124908/events/3536523
London:
http://rt.com/uk/202583-million-mask-march-police/
Remember,remember, the 5th of November.
and for those not current in their history,:
How Guy Fawkes became the face of post-modern protest
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/11/economist-explains-3?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/guyfawkes
dilby
(2,273 posts)Maybe if we opened polls at 5 PM and let them stay open till 1 AM, served alcohol and allowed people to wear Guy Fox masks we could get some of these young voters who seem to not be able to wake up before the crack of noon.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)They're all libertarian-leaning, impoverished and never vote.
They think it makes them edgy or something.
Millennial women on my Facebook like my liberal rants by a 5-1 margin.
It's the sexually frustrated white boys who need to grow up.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)"Boo hoo! I dropped out of the system and now I'm complaining that other people aren't fixing it for me. Therefore, I'll drop out even more!"
Gimmie a fucking break. Any dumb-ass can put on a mask and shout inane slogans.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And then those same idiots will use this outcome to say that voting is the problem.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Nope, much easier to whine about "the system"
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)world. They are using this years protest as a spring board to joining "Moral Mondays"
You asked my why now and not before the vote. I told you why.
http://www.millionmaskmarch.com/map
http://mondaymarches.org
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I support protests and mass movements, but in the context of a pathetic voter turnout, what good does it do?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)in Ljubljana, Slovenia will not be the same as those in Oakland, California.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I personally know 4 people who worked tirelessly during this election volunteering...on the phones and going door to door who are attending in San Francisco.
you are speaking out your ass and just assuming & giving us your opinion that these protesters are not voters. Go away already.
Heh...who needs it?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I was out there protesting the Iraq invasion along with thousands of others, including many DUers at my side, and where did that get us? Our elected officials voted for it.
this whole "unfuck the system" stunt just looks like petulance to me.
you are way out of your league.
I was protesting the VN war, Ive been married to 2 VN Vets and was out burning my fuckin' bra & protesting VN before you even wet your diapers.
Get over yourself and figure out why the "electorate" isn't voting.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)How old must I be before I can speak for myself? I'm 47 now, how much longer must I wait before my opinion reaches your august heights?
Caretha
(2,737 posts)you first have to demonstrate moral fortitude.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Posting while drunk is a bad idea. Try again tomorrow when you can make some sense.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)....projection is a bad bad trait. Perhaps you need to quit tippin' the bottle.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Put up or shut up. So far you have been nothing but a disruptor in this thread, derailing discussion instead of cultivating it. Now's your chance to actually contribute.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)projecting that people peacefully protesting are "non-voters" without a right to have their grievances heard nor a right to assemble and protest. Nor am I maliciously libeling people without one shred of evidence of their voter status due to my own perceived prejudices.
If you have moral fortitude you would never do that. Simple.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)To quote Cathera...
"I'm no the one projecting that people peacefully protesting are "non-voters" without a right to have their grievances heard nor a right to assemble and protest. Nor am I maliciously libeling people without one shred of evidence of their voter status due to my own perceived prejudices.
If you have moral fortitude you would never do that. Simple."
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)the ones that did vote.....they are in your generation.....the Love and Peace and flowers generation....just fucked us for a couple election cycles AT LEAST...
Caretha
(2,737 posts)that's what you think?
Pfff
My family! My friends! Fuckin' died. Nothin' goddamned flowery about it except the caskets. You have not one clue of what you speak.
My 2nd husband, a Master Load Sgt flew over 17,000 American dead soldiers home. You think we thought it was all about "Peace & Love"?
You stink...you really really do.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and became Teabaggers!
Avg. voting age in this election..... 65....
(by the way....my father...career military....soooo)
Caretha
(2,737 posts)protesting is a hell of a lot harder than voting.
Try it, you might like it. It's about fucking time your generation showed up instead of running their trap.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I admitted my generation didn't show up.....and I am running my trap because I did.....but it is still the truth....YOUR generation fucked us for a couple election cycles by voting FOR them!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)movements were the majority. They were decided not. They were vilified then at near all fronts... government, media, and public opinion... hippies, civil rights activists, feminists, were all a minority segment of the population. It was the "Me" generation that didn't pick up the reigns to sustain those minority of the populations movements.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that adds up to a lot of people...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)were a small segment of society. Most of those groups had significant crossover. Except the feminists. They were pretty much on their own.
But really, do some research. The reality of the era is much more compelling than the myth. The obstacles were huge and then when leaders and inspirations started getting killed, those who had been putting up the good fight looked to the youngsters to take up the reigns. The "Me" generation wasn't interested.
The labor movement in the U.S. is pegged to have started in 1839. It's successes and failures ebbed and flowed for a century before it started to gain real footing but even at it's height, those who belonged to a union were the minority of the population though with significant public support.
During the 1980s, when Reagan aggressively began to destroy unions, the verbal support was still there but there was no guts for the fight. Those BORN in the 60s thought we had won it all for them when the fight had just begun.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)65 yr olds decided this election....PERIOD....because their asses are Racists STILL! That is all this was...it wasn't even in support of the Republicans....this was a fucking ratfuck the Black guy in "our White House" election.
To deny that is analogous to denying White male Privilege...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And there are still plenty of people in my generation (I'm in Obama's generation... the tag end of VN), who are willing to put their liberty on the line.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)the average age that voted...65....
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)18-24: 7%
25-29: 6%
30-39: 13%
40-49: 19%
50-64: 33%
65 or older: 22%
So 55% were 50 or older; that 33% for the 15 years from 50 to 64 works out at a little over 2% per year, so, roughly, 50% of voters were 52 or older. That's the median, and I think the average will be very close to the median in this case (there will have been a very few in their nineties or over 100 that can push up the average, but not many, I think). The average won't be above 53, I think.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)many years of activism in all forms... marches, voting, letter writing, art, music, movies, posters, graffiti, hacking, doxing... so Anon wants to make an attempt to make it a public, global and sustained movement by meeting every Monday.
The chances of that happening are slim; though, I would love to see it happening. Sustained activism is hard and the burn our rate is high.
As they state, one march a year is not enough.
Prior to the Iraq war invasion, I was part of the protests that shut down the financial district of San Francisco for 3 days. Imagine if enough people had joined us to shut it down for a week or 2 weeks. And imagine that happening globally and regularly... targeted protests around the globe in alliance with localized grievances.
Unfuck the system by disrupting the system.
undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)Disrupt the system to unfuck the system. Hi luminous animal.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)did when I was protesting the Vietnam war.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Two-thirds of the electorate didn't vote. Most of them lean left. Do the math.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Using a group of strangers protesting globally (even in places that didn't have an election yesterday) to levy unsubstantiated accusations to vent your frustrations.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)thanks for posting
NYC Liberal
(20,138 posts)Good message. TERRIBLE imagery.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)From the link in the OP.
Since then the image has been adopted by the Occupy movement, and Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has also donned a Fawkes mask. It has become a regular feature of many protests. Mr Lloyd has called the mask a "convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way". Although official masks from the film are still available online, most protesters prefer to print or paint their own. And to this day the Yeomen of the Guard, the English monarch's bodyguards since 1485, still search the cellars below the Palace of Westminster before each state opening of Parliament. The spirit of Fawkes, in many regards, lives on.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)also expresses unity with all the peoples of the world who fight at great risk to themselves and their families agaist oppression from the government, any government.
"Remember, remember the 5th of November..."
undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)A symbol of mourning all injustices and abuses of all peoples everywhere,in history,the present and future.