We should know by now which races are rigged. Do we?

[True Blue Door]

By now we should already have a firm accounting of voters who have been denied the right to vote due to Jim Crow 2, and have a good statistical grasp of what districts their exclusion will be decisive in. So I'd like to know the following if anyone has this information:

1. How many do we know firmly to have been excluded nationwide?
2. How many more may be excluded on election day?
3. How many local, state, and federal seats is this likely to be decisive in?
4. Is this likely to be the decisive factor in determining control of the Senate?
5. Are there any states whose legislatures will fall - or fail to become Democratic - due to Jim Crow 2?
6. Governorships?
7. Is the Democratic Party prepared to call races where Jim Crow 2 is decisive fraudulent?
8. Is the Democratic Party prepared to call the loss of the Senate or statehouses fraudulent if due to Jim Crow 2?
9. Has the Democratic Party prepared effectual strategic and tactical mechanisms to resist the illegal political actions of such illegitimate office thieves, when The Five fascist revolutionaries on the Supreme Court inevitably find in favor of their accomplices?
10. Assuming the Democratic Party will do nothing, probably because Hillary Clinton (superb Republican that she is) will say not to, does anyone else have a plan?

[FSogol]

1. Unrec. How many "it's all rigged" threads do we need today? Ignore these threads and GOTV

[H2O Man]

2. "

[True Blue Door]

3. So you think fighting Jim Crow 2 is anti-GOTV?

Not a very bright response. Frankly pretty insulting.

Unless all you want the day after the election is Blame Game.

[emulatorloo]

6. Try this: sign off DU and knock doors

Volunteer to be a poll watcher. Make sure Dem voters are allowed to vote and stop republican harassment of Republican "poll watchers"

[True Blue Door]

7. Taken care of. Now deal with my questions.

They're obviously important.

That's why I'm asking them the day before election day, not the day of or the day after.

[emulatorloo]

4. Uh-huh, especially ones that slam Democrats based on bullshit speculation

[True Blue Door]

5. Voter disenfranchisement is "speculation"?

Did you just tune in to the election coverage like five minutes ago?

And where do you get off claiming this slams "Democrats"? You post a lie like that, you better defend it.

[emulatorloo]

8. See above: volunteer as a poll watcher

Rather than trying to pick a fight w DU'ers

[True Blue Door]

9. Why would you assume I'm not a poll watcher?

Why are you picking a fight with me because I want to know about Jim Crow 2, and about the Party's preparations?

Some people in this Party are committed beyond one day. I'm sorry if you find that inconvenient or threatening for some reason.

[randys1]

10. #10 of your list reminds me of what I am going to start doing Wednesday

after focusing on the election.

As much as I am a liberal and I know there are no liberal Democrats who have a legitimate shot at the WH other than Bernie (run Bernie Run), I am going to speak out against ANY and ALL anti Hillary posts or comments I see.

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote


This thread may be well intended as you probably are, but here is the thing, IF the terrorists (my pet name for a political party who says all they want to do for 8 yrs is destroy the American president and economy, if necessary) take the Senate and hold the House thru unconstitutional voter ID (stop arguing about what type of ID, ANY and ALL identification requirements are unconstitutional) if they take this power, ALL attention better god damn be on getting ANY Democrat in the WH, which is likely Hillary.

But that is just me, you all do what you want, I will do what I must.

[True Blue Door]

11. Hillary hasn't been nominated, and this election obviously doesn't include the 2016 primaries.

Your position is premature.

Also, you pretty heavily sidestep the core questions I'm asking, and the implications thereof.

We know for a fact that Republicans have introduced a "rigging window" into the system in a number of states whereby their candidates can "win" via margins smaller than the number of voters illegally prevented from voting. And we know they've kept expanding those windows every single chance they get, through tactics both subtle and extreme.

"GOTV harder next time!" is not a rational response to that kind of Treason.

[randys1]

12. Like I said, starting Wednesday

[True Blue Door]

13. So we're supposed to institute some kind of mental block until Wednesday

and not think about anything after Election Day?

I realize that might be emotionally easier, but I don't go in for that sort of thing. We need to always be seeing ahead.

[randys1]

14. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this thread, I am listening

[True Blue Door]

15. Exactly what I say in the OP: I want to know the answers to my questions.

And I doubt I'm alone in wanting to know the answers.

I want to know The Plan, or if there even is one.

Anyone who doesn't have the answers is welcome to say so and express thoughts and reasoned conjectures, but I definitely have no interest in comments like some of the above - just divebombing in to say that The First Rule of Project Blind Resignation is You Do Not Ask Questions.

Yours is much more constructive than that though. I do appreciate it.

[randys1]

16. then, explain this one to me

Has the Democratic Party prepared effectual strategic and tactical mechanisms to resist the illegal political actions

Illegal political actions? which ones exactly?

[True Blue Door]

17. Republicans have vowed to use even a 51 majority in the Senate to repeal Obamacare.

If they obtain a majority purely due to vote suppression, such an action would be illegal legislation by an illegitimate Congress.

I want to know what plans are being made to resist that sort of thing beyond just the normal process of complaint and feeble "Well, let's use it against them in the next election" thinking.

[dumbcat]

44. How would that work?

Republicans have vowed to use even a 51 majority in the Senate to repeal Obamacare.

How exactly can the Senate repeal Obamacare? You think the President will sign the repeal bill?

Think, man.

[True Blue Door]

18. Know what really makes me sick about your comment?

The day after the election, if I ask the same questions, you're just going to roll your eyes imperiously and say "Oh no, not more of this 'Blame Game' stuff - why can't we just move on?"

Your script is a well-worn one.

[Dreamer Tatum]

26. You should know by now that when the OP author gives you work

you better freaking DO it, lest you get accused of being the problem yourself.

[FSogol]

28. Exactly. Here in VA, we had a voter id law go into affect. We've know about it a while,

so we have made an effort to:

include info about bringing an id to the polls in our literature, calls, and messages
inform voters without an id that they can still vote on a provisional ballot
identify and get ids for voters who needed them (the elderly, etc.)


We didn't wake up the day before the election and say, oh noes, voter suppressions!1!1

[True Blue Door]

39. I'm happy for you, but your attitude is ridiculous.

Not every district, and not every state is in the same situation as yours.

[FSogol]

42. If you were involved with a campaign or your local/State Democratic party, you'd know

that great efforts are being made to prevent the type of stuff you assume will happen.

Don't discourage anyone from voting tomorrow.

[LanternWaste]

45. I imagine that's one, rather melodramatic interpretation of the OP

I imagine that's one, rather melodramatic interpretation of the OP. It misses only the grim soundtrack (Hans Zimmer, maybe?) and you've created yourself a very typical late-night cable movie.

[maced666]

19. All of them.

[True Blue Door]

20. No, clearly not true.

[Dreamer Tatum]

21. Have you yet noticed that most of your OPs give people chores and homework?

Why not do your own for once?

[True Blue Door]

23. I'm sorry, did I interrupt your comfortable slumber with inconvenient questions?

Nobody forces you to respond. You do so simply because you find my questions irritatingly pertinent, and so have to make up some excuse for why I'm unworthy of asking them.

You have no knowledge of what I do or don't do. All you know is that I ask questions you should be asking but aren't, and find that knowledge troubling.

Do you seriously not get that what you just said - that I "give chores and homework" - is a compliment? Who gives chores? Parents. Who gives homework? Teachers. And who complains about chores and homework like you just did? Children.

Interesting, isn't it? You see yourself as a child and me as the adult doing what adults should be doing.

Maybe you should deduce something from that about your own priorities, and stop focusing on how much you don't enjoy what I say.

[Dreamer Tatum]

25. Whatever, dude.

Your OPs are often pedantic and tedious, and I'm not the first one to say something.

I also think you should cut down on nonsense prose, like "irritatingly pertinent." And I didn't say you were
unworthy of asking them. Instead I pointed out that perhaps, instead of tasking others with your work,
YOU try doing it. That way, your attempts at seeming insightful and incisive might find their mark.

As for this: All you know is that I ask questions you should be asking but aren't, all I can say in response
is:

[True Blue Door]

29. And the tantrum continues.

You can't deal with what I say, so you obsessively gnaw on how I say it.

I'm deeply wounded that you consider my writing style "pedantic and tedious." Here, let's try this: Ree-al-i-tee duz not cayr iff u r en-tur-taynd. Ur comments r friv-o-lus and in-con-se-kwen-shull. Gro up.

I ask questions because I want to know the answers. If you don't, I don't care. Nobody cares that you don't care. Just go away if you have no answers to the questions I asked, and nothing of value to add to the surrounding discussion.

Or maybe you need something to occupy your time? Here, I've got some "homework" for you: Read some electronics manuals and then send emails to the companies that published them criticizing their "wooden literary style." That sound like fun, sport?

[Dreamer Tatum]

31. Sorry, too busy doing the research you required.

You've CHANGED me. I've seen my ERRORS so CLEARLY now.

Everyone reading this: is there some award we can give TBD for marshaling us and pointing us in a
useful direction? We were all milling around uselessly until 800-odd posts ago. Come on guys, we have
PURPOSE now. Can we pass the hat?

[Le Taz Hot]

34. Somebody *cough cough* Alerted on your post.

Thought you might be interested in the outcome:

On Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sorry, too busy doing the research you required.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5751315

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Another personal attack on the OP. Several more in this thread alone by same poster. Please make him stop.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:59 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Flamebait deserves flamebait.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Who ever Alerted on this needs to get their big boy/girl chonies on. This is mild for DU standards. Leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sarcasm, it's what is for lunch.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: eh

[littlewolf]

35. was very happy to vote leave it alone ... not sure which number I was

I didn't leave a comment. did not think it was needed.

[True Blue Door]

36. Wasn't me, if that's what you're intimating.

Certainly more justified than some alerts I've seen, although I would have voted to leave it alone.

[True Blue Door]

37. That's the fourth or fifth comment where you say NOTHING about the subject of the OP.

At this point it's becoming troll-spam.

Not one single utterance of any word even remotely relating to an election...you do at least know there's one coming up, right?

It isn't a complete shock to you to hear that, right?

[Dreamer Tatum]

40. I'd feel bad about trolling you if you weren't trolling me.

Yes, I am aware there is an election tomorrow, in which I will vote. I have been aware of the election for years now, indeed before you joined DU. The volume of human awareness, activity, and contemplation that occurs outside of your awareness or influence is probably larger than you think.

You remind me of a more articulate Asher Heimermann.

[True Blue Door]

41. Except I wasn't talking to you until you started trolling this thread.

You came to this thread, completely ignored the OP, and started whining that my style of writing wasn't entertaining enough for you. Don't you have a Netflix subscription or something? A dog to play with? A potted plant to water?

[Dreamer Tatum]

43. I commented that you expect people to work for you or reply to you

which is slightly off-putting. When you don't get the response you want, you seem displeased. Again, I'm not the first person to notice or comment. No worries; I can fix it. You block me, and I'll block you. You'll be done with my trolling, and I'll be done with pompous arrogance.

[librechik]

22. Ohio. North Carolina. Wisconsin. Maybe Colorado.

I'm not going to look it up, but wherever there is a Repub Secretary of State or other vote-counting office. expect trouble. Those places almost always have hanky panky.

[True Blue Door]

24. Makes sense.

I'm sure the Party has its legal engines oiled for challenges and lawsuits. I just hope they have a Game Beyond The Game.

[librechik]

27. Then the race is on to have the SOS certify the Republican (of course) before the case

can be brought before the judge or the legislature. If they can get their candidate certified as the winner (and of course this is all deeply thought out complicated legal rule making designed to make the State's decision difficult to challenge.)

That's what happened in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Time ran out for a challenge and by the time 18 months later statisticians learned that Gore had won the nation by half a million actual votes, and that Kerry actually won Ohio, the crook in this case W, has already been in office for months and no change can be considered, apparently. In certain states the rigging is generations old. It is lawyer proof. Remember how the Supreme Court stepped in to settle Bush v Gore?

They want us to know it's hopeless. They just don't went us to go around saying we live in a Soviet style dictatorship. So they lie a lot.

Frankly, we have nothing to respond to a stolen election except for oh well, vote better next time. Except it has nothing to do with us voting. It only has to do with who counts the votes.

[True Blue Door]

30. That's my point. We shouldn't accept that kind of result again. Ever again.

If we can show convincingly that a result was illegitimate, then we have to act accordingly - not just go along with it because anything else would be too inconvenient.

If necessary, there have to be something akin to officeholders-in-exile - the winners of the election, acting as the legitimate officeholders with the loyalty of the constitutional party.

[librechik]

32. If you have problem in your state, I urge you to seek out the people there

who are working for democratic electoral reform and join them. Grassroots actions are effective but they need to have committed passionate folks working on the problem. Start a group yourself if you can't find one already in existence--social media is great for this! Good luck!

[True Blue Door]

33. I live in a blood-red area embedded in a deep blue state

so I have no worries about the legitimacy of results here, or the consequences of any fuckery that might occur: The locals will be right-wing douchebags no matter how fair or how fucked things are done, and the State will be liberal. I still do what I can laterally, but the Scene of Action on this specific subject is elsewhere. Mostly I just need information to figure out what else I can do.