Zimmerman: Afraid of Being in Jail

[SteveABG]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/george_zimmerman_afraid_of_being_UWxL8AHEIjCLzlbwv14seK#ixzz1sF8faiR5

SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman is afraid of being killed while in jail facing charges of murdering Trayvon Martin, his lawyer said today.

“There has been an upwelling of hostility and animosity towards him that can find its way to you in many different ways,” Mark O’Mara said outside the courthouse in Sanford, Fla.

“So he’s concerned because he’s exposed to many people he doesn’t even know,” O’Mara added.

[JI7]

1. yeah, well

[robinlynne]

5. good response. +1.

[HereSince1628]

13. Yep.

I understand that...

but you know...George...

compared with asking an innocent to pay the price for your fears...

That just doesn't get a whole helluva lot of sympathy.

[Earth_First]

3. Not such a big man without your firearm and cell phone now are we, George...

You made your own bed.

Lay in it.

[calimary]

105. Touche.

So how's the unarmed kid you killed doing these days?

[madokie]

4. George you stupid murdering bastid

you made your bed now sleep in it

[Politicalboi]

6. What's wrong George

Not a man without your gun? LOL!

[bayareamike]

7. Well, that's what "ad seg" is for.

Probably should've thought about these things before you pulled the trigger.

[RZM]

8. DU really seems to have a blind spot when it coms to prison violence

It's a bad thing, people. Prisoners should not have to fear for their lives because of what they did, were accused of doing, or were convicted of doing on the outside.

But since it's him, I guess it's ok, right?

What about for the hundreds of other prisoners who will endure violence at the hands of other inmates today? Is it ok for all of them too, or should we take it on a case-by-case basis?

[Fumesucker]

10. Eh, they wouldn't be suspects if they weren't guilty..

/Ed Meese

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Indeed...it is disturbing to the core, but par for the course

Some people even seem to approve of prison rape.

When called on it they retreat into the most cowardly position available: Oh, I don't support it, but what happens happens, doncha know. Can't do the time, etc.

Utterly amoral and fatuous nonsense, in other words.

[JI7]

14. i don't think anyone here would oppose prison reform

[RZM]

53. Unforunately

I think the gangsters have sold the left a false bill of goods when it comes to 'prison reform.' It usually involves better meals, more rec, and less interference from guards. It almost never addresses rape, violence, and gang culture, which are the things that liberals should be concerned with above all else.

I'm not opposed to more perks. But I won't even think about that until the prisoners themselves address the violence and gang culture. That means the gangsters openly promising that they won't extort, beat, and rape other prisoners any more.

A few Occupy encampments have endorsed some prison reform agendas. I have yet to see one that mentions rape and violence.

[Bake]

60. Short of isolating every single prisoner

I'm not sure how you deal with problem of prison violence/rape. And solitary for all? 8th Amendment issues there.

Bake

[calimary]

107. Very true! And that means REAL prison reform, that actually addresses some of the problems.

But for the naysayers here - you'd rather he be out walking around, free, swaggering through his neighborhood with his little Wyatt Earp thing? Would you feel safer knowing he's out in the general population and not in custody where he belongs, and being held to account for what he did?

I would not. Vigilante justice doesn't make me feel safer. And if somebody decided to "do us all a favor" if he was out - that, too, would not make me feel safer. It just makes me feel more uncomfortable that more nutcases who shouldn't be armed, are armed, and thinking they're Clint Eastwood.

[dballance]

15. Totally agree. It's barbaric

If we want to claim the moral high ground we can't be indifferent to someone's safety.

And, BTW I am no fan of Zimmerman.

[handmade34]

20. thanks for saying this

[uppityperson]

28. I in no way condone violence in prison but I do find it amusing in a cynical way that Zimmy is...

figuring out that he may be in trouble for killing Trayvon. I mean in trouble beyond what happens at trial.

[RZM]

33. And that's the trouble

He's not alone there. If you did the wrong crime, are the wrong race, or aren't in the right gang, you often become a victim.

That's a terrible thing.

[DevonRex]

35. Prison violence is a fact of life at this point.

George did shoot an unarmed teenager. He is incarcerated, awaiting trial for shooting and killing said teenager.

Many people here abhor prison violence and gun violence and the ease with which some people obtain handguns in this country. People like Zimmerman. And we dont think prisoners should fear for their lives while incarcerated. It's punishment on top of punishment.

I'm sure Zimmerman scoffed at people like us before he shot and killed an unarmed teenager on the way home from buying candy to eat while watching the basketball game with his little brother.

[csziggy]

38. Zimmerman is in protective custody in the jail

He's probably safer there than he would be out on the street.

He's also not in prison - he is in a county jail while awaiting his bail hearing, Stand Your Ground hearing, and the trial. At any of those points it is possible he could be out and have to be responsible for his own safety, this time without a gun.

Whether or not he is found guilty, George Zimmerman will be afraid for the rest of his life. But then, he was afraid before according to his story.

[snooper2]

61. If a scumbag who murdered a family in one cell wants to beat the shit out of a child rapist

In a cell two blocks down, I really don't give a shit-


Out of all the things to be concerned about in the World, this is like priority #29,704

[EOTE]

64. And if that same scumbag beats the shit out of a guy in there for smoking a joint?

That's fine and dandy as well? You really can't just support prison violence and rape in extremely limited cases. You either support it or you don't. I think it's somewhat sick that we see as much support for it here as we do.

[snooper2]

66. Do you have a case of somebody doing hard prison time for smoking a joint?

[EOTE]

67. I guess it depends on your definition of "hard time".

People are sent to jail all the time for smoking marijuana, some are even sent to prison. Plenty of people receive sentences for simple possession. You seem to think it would be fine and dandy if they happen to get raped or violently attacked while they're there.

[snooper2]

69. You do know that local jail, vs. county, vs. state pen, vs. federal

all have different classes of criminals in lockdown right?

[EOTE]

70. So, if the appropriate class of criminal is locked up, rape is fine.

If you're in jail with the appropriate kind of criminal, it's dandy to get raped or beaten within an inch of your life. If you find yourself with that kind of prisoner, it's surely your own doing and you've got a rape coming to you. Such pleasant thoughts occur within your head.

[snooper2]

71. First off, as a concern I said it wasn't real high on my priority list...

Second off, what's the obsession with prison rape? Believe it or not, the vast majority of people in prison don't get raped every night.

Third off, yes, if you rape a child, (we will put the age at 10 or below), I could give a shit less what happens to that person. I would prefer the state go ahead and put them down like a rabid dog, but if getting shanked in the eatery happens I sure as hell am not going to worry about it.

[EOTE]

77. So you simply don't care if prisoners get rape.

That is flat out disgusting. You can't be 'sorta' for prison rape. Your attitude endorses it with all sincerity. That's SICK. It doesn't matter that the bulk of people don't get raped every night. Your attitude, and the attitude of all the others who are indifferent toward the act allows it to happen. That's simply disgusting.

[snooper2]

79. Care is a subjective word...

I guess we all have our priorities. I'll make you a deal. Tell me how much your gas will cost and the wood to make your signs so you can go to the nearest penitentiary to raise awareness for the issue. I will reimburse you accordingly. How's that work?

That way I can spend my time getting my gutters finished and the bedroom paint done, and you can fight the cause. This now reminds me of a Merle Haggard song-

If you got the money honey I've got the time...

[EOTE]

81. You're not interested in a conversation, just defending your awfulness.

You can not give a fuck about anything you want, and I'll be more than happy to call you on your disgusting behavior.

[snooper2]

85. So you don't want to take me up on my offer?

From your posts I thought this was a top issue for you. I honestly will help reimburse your costs for taking up the cause, and all you want to do is post online. LOL, you can't win for losing



I guess I'll just go back to my grudge race videos now..some badass pieces of machinery-

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[EOTE]

89. You do know that a person who jokes around about the misery of others is a psychopath, right?

Do you get some kind of thrill over demonstrating just how sociopathic you are? At least if you demonstrated this behavior in public, people would know to avoid you at all costs. It's a little easier displaying such sociopathic behavior on the internet, isn't it?

[snooper2]

90. you are cute..

Really, you are LOL...

I just want to give you a snuggle snuggle snuggle (even though you have YET to answer my question)



Check this one out-

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[Go Vols]

109. yes

This guy got life in prison for smoking a joint while on probation.

clicky

[LanternWaste]

83. I imagine that even in those circumstances in which we rationalize our absolute lack of empathy

I imagine that even in those circumstances in which we rationalize our absolute lack of empathy, our lack of absolute knowledge quite often bites us in the behind.

One may raise their fist in righteous indignation at a sexual assault, and then feign ignorance at cases such as Ricky Wyatt-- freed after 31 years by the Dallas, TX DA office.

But we may rest comfortably in the knowledge that our "I don't give a shit" attitude was (almost) fully justified... for 31 years, anyway.



I suppose a lot of people believe that they know what we should or should not be concerned with-- I've noticed the loud ones, unapologetic and incurious about inconvenient details, most often subscribe to Bumper Sticker Philosophies-- in that they sound great, but are more often than not, found most wanting when actually examined.

[anti-alec]

62. I survived federal prison

and I can tell you - you keep to yourself and don't go into anyone's business - they leave you alone.

I spent 88 days in a minimum security camp in Texarkana, TX.

Even at its best, it still stunk being in prison.

[amandabeech]

63. Rape is generally not part of the sentence handed down by the judge.

There are some really bad people in the pokey, but I don't see why anyone here would advocate additional punishment meted out by other prisoners.

After I graduated from law school, I clerked for a federal district judge who had found numerous constitutional violations in the Texas prison system. The abuses were horrible, but one of the worst was that the most violent prisoners were given control over cell blocks and would terrify and abuse less violent prisoners.

If what Texas was doing was unconstitutional, what does that say about the violence in other prison systems even if the guards are supposedly in charge?

[4th law of robotics]

68. In some countries

raped is doled out as a punishment for various crimes. As are beatings/violent deaths for fairly trivial crimes.

We, rightly, call that barbaric.

Here it done as well, just not explicitly.

And people (including many on this forum) call that "karma".

So the gist is that it's ok to use rape and beatings and even murder as punishments as long as we can put the blame for carrying that out on to violent felons and keep our own hands clean.

Basically "Meat is murder! But the butcher does the killing so it's ok for *me* to enjoy it"

[Becka2515]

80. I agree

It depends where you fall on certain issues on DU, if its "your" man/women I am sure you'd be upset if something would befall them in prison, but on the other hand people like zimmerman can get killed or beat up in jail and that would be ok.

[rudycantfail]

126. You are absolutely correct. n/t

[jpak]

9. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

yup

[4th law of robotics]

22. You may want to wait for the trial

and even then the punishment should be what is doled out to him by the state after being given a fair trail by a jury of his peers, not by some lifer in the prison shower.

Either vigilante justice is acceptable or it isn't.

[JI7]

27. you feel the same when we talk about Bush, Cheney etc ?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

36. I always love advice from someone who signed up just before lunch today

I also love to go sign up at new websites myself and find people who need lecturing. There's no end to people I don't know who need lecturing. Do you find the same is true?

[4th law of robotics]

59. A site that welcomes comments

and you feel it is inappropriate to comment?

Also, at some point everyone had to sign up for the first time and post some of their first comments. I suspect it even happened to you . . . .

[DisgustipatedinCA]

86. I did, in fact, post a first comment at this site

It was a comment befitting a new user, a user who wanted to get the lay of the land and feel welcome and see what the site was all about. End of conversation.

[4th law of robotics]

101. My but we're condescending

I read through the rules. Didn't see anything about an initial groveling phase.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. You are correct, and I'm not

Hello, 4th Law.

I think I read you wrong, and I'm sorry for lashing out at you.

Often, new posters who just want to cause a little trouble and then flame out, will challenge what has at this website has become more or less gospel. I thought you were doing that. I answered as such. Staying in form, I answered a second time as such. Somewhere in there Defense Lawyer let me know I was being unreasonable. You did too, no doubt, but he got my attention--I like what he posts. I've been forced to go back and look at what you posted. Although you and I appear to disagree about this issue, you didn't say anything out of line. And no, there's not a litmus test to post here, and no grovelling clause. I was out of line, and I'm sorry for my words to you. Thank you.

[4th law of robotics]

118. No hard feelings

Just a miscommunication.

Thanks for the apology, that was very polite of you.

[DefenseLawyer]

93. Pretty damn good advice

I'll second that lecture and I didn't sign up yesterday.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

95. Hard to argue with an attorney. Point taken.

[Ecumenist]

46. Well, the one thing we know is that vigilante justice was acceptable for Trayvon according to

zimmy the giggling psychopath. I say be prepared for a karmic slap when you murder innocent folks just wlking home from the local circle K.

[4th law of robotics]

58. 2nd degree murder charges

and a trial = acceptable?

I prefer justice to Karma. Give him a trial, give him the punishment deemed appropriate by the state/jury. Don't have someone shank him sans trial.

How is this a hard concept?

[EOTE]

65. I agree wholeheartedly.

I was upset it took so long to get Zimmerman locked up, but now that he is, I want him to have a fair trial. Sorry for the unwelcome reception here, this is a highly emotional issue. Welcome to DU.

[Ecumenist]

73. WTF??!! Where the hell did you deduce that I didn't want this "man" to have a trial?

Pay attention, 4th Law: I'm outraged and am among the many millions that screamed to have this idiot arrested and brought to justice. I have had relatives MURDERED in the south and the midwest, (YES THE MIDWEST) just like this. Noone investigated, noone paid a price here on Earth.

I am a black woman who understands all too well why this is a travesty, an American tragedy that keeps repeating and made insignificant by certain of those among us who want to try to turn the clock back to the time of monthly, weekly-even daily lynchings, droit d'seigneur against black brides in the south...Try to keep up and think before you post 'cuz DAMN!

[4th law of robotics]

102. You're the one who called it

karmic justice.

That kinda implies you support it (otherwise you'd drop the "justice" bit).

And this guy had nothing to do with your relatives being murdered (unless Trayvon was a kin of yours). So that really has nothing to do with this.

[Ecumenist]

103. Grow up, don't try to play with me. You know Damn well I was speaking about

his fear of prison and what will probably happen to him. That's what the post was about. Don't play with me. DID I SAY THAT THIS MANY SIMMY MURDERED MY RELATIVES??!!! You G-d Damn well what I meant. Don't waste the key strokes twisting my words.

IT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT? Are you fukking kidding? THAT'S WHAT THE OUTRAGE IS ABOUT!! The fact that WE have been murdered with impunity and the police look the other way. You know what, unless you experience it, don't try to make or dispute connections about something you know NOTHING about, OBVIOUSLY.

[4th law of robotics]

104. I'm not twisting your words

I'm quoting you exactly.

And you can't dole out justice for an individual based on historic actions of a group.

So yes, his actions are his own. He cannot and should not be put on trial for the crimes of others.

I assume you'd have issues with a white juror making the case of "well a lot of black people got away with other crimes, so maybe I'll vote guilty on this guy to even it out".

That kind of thinking is absolutely detrimental to a just legal system.

/also maybe lay off the caps-lock unless you actually are intending to yell half of your comments.

[Ecumenist]

108. Well, at least you understand when you're being yelled at. There's hope for you.

Why would I vote to convict someone just to get back at them? REALLY? Not my style and it's wrong. Was brought up and taught better than that. Projection on your part? Who said anything about doling out justice to one person to get back at a group of people because someone who looks like him hurt me or my family?

That's what the other side is doing every time they imply that Trayvon deserved what he did because he was "probably headed for prison" based on things they had heard of or believed. I'M.NOT.A.RACIST...clear enough? You are putting words into my mouth that I NEVER said NOR implied. Try to keep up and pay attention, might help you to understand a thing or two.

If zimmy is afraid being in prison then I say, good for him. He should have thought about that before he shot that 17 YEAR OLD BOY, (bolded and capitalised to make sure you have a chance of understanding what I'm saying.) I hope that he NEVER has another night's rest, that he's always afraid someone will recognise him and "be afraid that he might shoot them" . How about that? I really don't give a rust fart what happens to him because he didn't care about that boy who was minding his own damn business. May he live the rest of his life with at least a quarter of the fear that Trayvon had when he hunted him down and SHOT him in COLD BLOOD! He made himself police, judge and executioner for Trayvon.

Whatever his worst fears are, may he face them.

[MountainMama]

110. You know what?

I agree with you 1000% and if that makes me a horrible person, then I'm a horrible prison.

[Ecumenist]

114. MountainMama? You know what, dear lady?

Welcome to the Horrible Person's Club...Right glad Tameetcha!!!

[4th law of robotics]

120. You really think yelling constantly is healthy?

Anyway, I can't find any reason why you'd keep bringing up tangents like your family if you didn't feel it had any bearing on this case.

Either you're saying you've suffered so now he needs to or you're throwing in details that are completely irrelevant to the conversation ("my hamster died last week, Zimmerman needs to hang!", one could see how that would be confusing to most sane people).

That's what the other side is doing every time they imply that Trayvon deserved what he did because he was "probably headed for prison" based on things they had heard of or believed. I'M.NOT.A.RACIST...clear enough? You are putting words into my mouth that I NEVER said NOR implied.

I never said you were. That's what putting words in someone's mouth looks like.

Try to keep up and pay attention, might help you to understand a thing or two.

Your reasoning is flawed. I understand it, I just don't agree with it.

If zimmy is afraid being in prison then I say, good for him. He should have thought about that before he shot that 17 YEAR OLD BOY

Sounds like he's afraid of the other inmates, not prison so much. That's what you are not understanding: prison shouldn't have an additional punishment thrown on top of "you might get shanked by an inmate, or raped, or murdered". None of that should occur. It doesn't matter what you think of the person, justice ought to be doled out by a court not by vigilantes.

If you support vigilante "justice" against Zimmerman then you really can't condemn him as a vigilante. He felt Trayvon needed to die so he took that power in to his hands. This is wrong right? And yet you cheer on a prison who would do *the exact same thing*.

If you support vigilante justice and just feel he had the wrong target then fine. But you can't then go on to condemn him for taking the law in to his own hands. Only for aiming the gun at the wrong target.

[Ecumenist]

121. Since you seem determined to tell me I siad things I didn't, I will just say this one MORE TIME:

I HOPE he's afraid the rest of his miserable life. He deserves whatever he gets as he's earned this new existence all on his own. I didn't say a damn thing about vigilante justice. That's what he meted out to Trayvon. He's where he deserves to be, about 46 daysd later than he should have been there. That's all. Misery is his and good for it.

If you want to continue to conflate my hope for a miserable lfe of the kind of fear that he put into that boy the last minutes and seconds of his life on Earth and vigilante justice, so be it. I didn't say anything about his being raped, murdered or physically hurt in any way. I hope that he feels the fear that he visited on that 17 year old boy minding his own damn business, walking home from the local Circle K. Had his sorry ass listened to the 911 operator and left that boy alone to be checked out by the police, we wouldn't even be having this "conversation".

Now, I'm supposed to be worried about him feeling afraid of the "people he doesn't know", now that he's where he belongs? He's kept safe in isolation for the time being. I didn't wish the things on him he put on that boy. I WISH HIM A MISERY FILLED EXISTENCE for the rest of his time here on earth....there...Happy? I know I am.

[MountainMama]

125. I understand you.

He put himself in this situation.

The Horrible People's Club! You and me!

[2ndAmForComputers]

45. It's nice to have the right-wingers at the receiving end of that for a change.

[coalition_unwilling]

57. No, it's not, not if you're a human being for Christ's sake. It's remarks

like this repeated often enough that prompt me to take lengthy vacations from oh-so-progressive DU.

[NYC Liberal]

106. Um, nobody has been found guilty yet.

This is about pre-trial incarceration in jail, not prison.

And I'm not expressing my own opinion on his guilt here (because I think he is guilty).

[appleannie1]

12. Now he knows what Trayvon felt like when he followed and accosted him.

He is not the first, nor will he be the last person that is fearful in jail. He should be treated no different. Funny how courageous he felt with a loaded gun on his hip.

[man4allcats]

16. I expect he's going to be at risk anywhere.

Everyone knows what he did, and most, myself included, believe he should be convicted of the crime with which he has been charged. Of course I agree that the courts must be allowed to do their work, but people will not forget even if he is not convicted (perhaps especially if he is not convicted). If he beats this, for his own welfare he should probably find a new country to live in.

[MoonRiver]

17. Maybe the impulsive little bastard should have thought of that before

he gunned down an innocent human being.

[abelenkpe]

25. +1000 nt

[malaise]

18. Amazing how these big tough bullies are always cowards when cornered

Fugg you George Zimmerman - I hope he hears Trayvon screaming every night for the rest of his life.

[JoePhilly]

19. Just stand your ground, George.

[patricia92243]

40. Bingo!

[RebelOne]

43. And watch behind you if you drop the soap in the shower. n/t

[uppityperson]

55. Prison rape jokes are not funny. Would you please consider deleting this comment, I will also.

Thank you.

[uppityperson]

124. Murderers deserve to get raped. Thank you for making your opinion clear.

I'd rather ask someone to self delete than have it go through jury.

[Booster]

21. I'm having a hard time mustering up any sympathy for this jerk.

A friend brought up a good question about this case. The girlfriend/fiance of Trayvon's dad. Not a word, not a name, not a picture of this woman. That in itself seems odd in such a high profile case, but how do you live in a gated community and not hear a word about a young man being gun-downed in that community for 2 solid days? Especially if you were expecting that young man to come home from the 7-11. Wouldn't you have gone out and asked your neighbors if they saw such a young man walking. That surely had to be the talk of that gated community for days and days, yet she knew nothing? There's so much we don't know; like was she even home at the time; was Trayvon alone in the house, etc. Guess we'll just have to wait for these answers.

[obxhead]

29. With neighbors like Zimmerman

they may not have been on friendly terms with many of them.

The most I know of my neighbors is what cars they drive and a wave as we pass. Otherwise I have zero interaction with them. I'm sure all of them are nice, friendly people as well.

[MoonRiver]

30. I heard Trayvon, his brother and dad were at the fiance's house watching t.v.

Trayvon went out for Skittles. Don't remember hearing if she was there. Maybe they did go out looking for him. Does anybody know how big the community is?

[SteveABG]

32. No

It was just Trayvon and his dad's girlfriend's son that were home. His step-brother to be.

Trayvon's dad, and dad's girlfriend went out to dinner, came home around 10:30-11.

[csziggy]

39. Trayvon's father's fiance was interviewed the day after the death by the local Fox News station

The claim that Trayvon's body was not claimed for days is wrong.

Trayvon's father and his girlfriend went out to dinner that night. When they got back around 10:30-11:00 PM, there was no sign of any incident, no police, no flashing lights, nothing they saw. They may have returned through the back entrance which was only a short distance from the front door of her townhouse. Trayvon's father tried to call him and the call went directly to voice mail. Trayvon had talked about going to a movie with a cousin so his father tried to call the cousin. That call also went to voice mail. The father thought they'd both turned off their phones in the theater. He went to sleep.

The next morning when he got up and realized Trayvon was not home, he called the police. They sent cars out to the house, showed him a picture of Trayvon dead and the father identified his son. The body was not released until two days later, which may be where the three days later claim came from.

This information is all from main stream media links. The main one I've relied on is: http://www.reuters.com/assets/print?aid=USL2E8F31ZX20120403

[Booster]

47. Thank you for that explanation. I had not seen that info before. I know I read that Trayvon's body

was listed as a John Doe in the morgue. Maybe that info was incorrect also. I appreciate your input on this.

[csziggy]

50. Yes, the body was listed as a Joh Doe - the police did not even canvas the neighborhood

To see if he lived there. They went by their prejudice and Zimmerman's claims that Trayvon didn't belong there and did nothing to identify the young man. The police did not even check his cell phone for incoming and outgoing calls to try to trace his family or friends.

It was Trayvon's father who checked his cell phone records online and found that Trayvon had been on the phone with his girlfriend up to less than a minute before he was killed.

[MountainMama]

111. This.

This is what bothers me more than anything (other than the young man's death, of course).

How long would that child have lain in the morgue if his dad hadn't started looking for him? It just breaks my heart that the cops did nothing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Well second thing I believe George on

And quite frankly it's not a joke.

[left on green only]

24. If he thinks life in solitary at the county lock-up is scary...

[sadbear]

26. Our gun culture told him he wouldn't go to jail for his actions...

Don't blame him because he's stupid.

[MADem]

31. What? No confidence in the FL justice system to keep him secure in his person while he

awaits trial? Gee, he seemed pretty confident that the Sanford Police would clean up after him, why should he be troubled now?

Be interesting to see the demographics of the facility where Mister Zimmerman finds himself.

[CakeGrrl]

34. Boo hoo. Karma's a bitch. -nt

[shanti]

52. Exactly

Tough guy can dish it out, but he can't take it.

[varelse]

37. I would imagine they'll do their best to keep him isolated

it's hard to believe that the people running the jail would want him to be attacked while he's there.

[Morning Dew]

41. "So he’s concerned because he’s exposed to many people he doesn’t even know"

Had he been a little more concerned about that on February 26th, he wouldn't be in this mess.

[baldguy]

51. Yeah, this isn't a new problem for him.

[vaberella]

42. And Taryvon Martin was scared when you shot and killed him. But that didn't stop you.

It doesn't feel good being scared to die...does it?

[Ecumenist]

44. He didn't know Trayvon , yet he wasn't afraid to shoot him...I say karma's a b!tch!

[alphafemale]

48. He's a squirrely ass coward.

And I imagine he's being way more protected than an average inmate.

[Solomon]

49. Everybody's missing the point. His lawyer is setting

the stage to make his pitch for bail. He's gonna argue he's safer outside than in. Trying to shave some dollars off the coming bail amount.

Of course its bullshit. Zimmerman is probably well protected behind bars. At the same time, the lawyer is garnering sympathy for his client, continuing the "Zimmerman is the victim" theme, to get what he can out of it, a bail amount his client can meet, and a manslaughter plea.

[Life Long Dem]

54. Take the gun away from him and let him out on the streets.

See if he has it any easier on the streets. I bet he won't be trying to play hero anytime soon.

[Raine]

56. Zimmy has a better chance surviving prison than Trayvon had surviving Zimmy. nt

[KamaAina]

72. Ask me if I care.

[DefenseLawyer]

74. All of you that are saying "Ha. Good. You deserve it. I hope you get killed in jail" are fucked up

It's very easy to be flippant about something like that and even easier to be a righteous avenger, but really, justice will not be served by the accused being murdered while awaiting trial. To suggest otherwise is indefensible. Shame on you.

[MoonRiver]

82. Nobody, at least not me, is saying justice will be served by that.

I want to watch the trial including, hopefully, his conviction. That said, I really don't care about his safety inside or outside jail. He lost my sympathy when he shot down an innocent kid.

[DefenseLawyer]

87. Hopefully it's empathy and not sympathy

but I'm not sure why a decent human people would have to have empathy for a prisoner in order to be opposed to him being attacked and killed in jail. You are certainly not alone, but it amazes mean how vile so many "liberals" can be when they feel they have the moral high ground. Murder in jail for people I don't like? Fuck yeah. Fuck him. I'm good and he's bad.

[MoonRiver]

88. I'm not saying he's bad I'm good. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm human and have my feelings. My empathy and sympathy both go out to Trayvon and his family, not Zimmerman. Sorry I have upset your sensibilities, but I don't like cold blooded killers, especially of kids. Oh, and I am opposed to him being killed in prison for the reason I mentioned earlier.

[DefenseLawyer]

91. "I don't really care about his safety"

I didn't put those words in your mouth. You don't care if he gets killed in jail. That's what you said and that's what you think. Own it. Don't weasel around it now. (and hell, it's not just you, it appears to be the majority position at DU). Here's the fucked up thing about your point of view: You don't lose any of your empathy for the Martins by not espousing vigilante "justice" for his alleged killer and, conversely, not wishing violence on Zimmerman has nothing at all to do with "liking" him. You feel strongly that Zimmerman is guilty and deserves punishment. So people that you don't like, well, karma's a bitch right? I'm guessing if David Duke suggested that white detainees should kill all black detainees because he really doesn't like them, you would think that was really fucked up. Yet somehow, because WE hate Zimmerman, such an otherwise brutal and insane suggestion is cool. Funny even.

[MoonRiver]

94. I don't care. That doesn't mean I'd join a lynch mob to hang him.

I'm just sitting here watching this all unfold. His life is not one of my concerns. So what?

[DefenseLawyer]

96. So what?

Wow. So as long as I don't join the lynch mob it's perfectly fine to stand by and watch them kill a man because I "don't care". I'll respectfully disagree.

[ellisonz]

99. We're not even talking about his actual safety...

I imagine they have him separated and he's really probably safer in there considering how many people hate his guts. We're talking about his perception, which is skewed.

[SteveABG]

84. Charles Blow said it best:

"I take no joy in any darkness he may face, but I take great joy in the light of truth & justice, where ever it may lead us."

[calimary]

117. I don't see flippant attitudes here so much as anger and indignation.

You have to take into account a whole boatload of things, like:
-- the increasing frustration over the lack of equal justice for all, just aggravated by a case like this, in which the guilty person is flatly guilty but gets off because the guilty person is lighter-skinned and his/her victim likely wasn't;
-- the utter outrage over the very idea that this kid was unarmed;
-- that zimmerman was clearly told by the 911 dispatcher that they didn't need for him to be pursuing his target. They wanted him NOT to do that and asked him not to, directly. Then he answered them with some version of "okay" or other affirmative acknowledgement. So he lied to them because he had no intention, really, of stopping his pursuit especially when his inner Clint Eastwood was all stirred up - on top of what his deliberate defiance of that clearly-issued directive (he seemed to have understood the language the dispatcher was using that night, too, didn't he?) ultimately put him in a position to do;
-- the infuriating spin machinery on his behalf as relatives and "friends" attempted to color public opinion and embroider on events they did not witness and of which they had no knowledge;
-- the infuriating spin machinery on his behalf as relatives and "friends" attempted to color public opinion and embroider on events they did not witness and of which they had no knowledge - EVEN IN THE FACE OF POLICE PRECINCT VIDEO AND 911 TAPES that tell a different story.

BTW - anyone should understand, coming here to DU, that we here have suffered through various spin machinery since Selection 2000. We haven't been just annoyed, or upset, or confused. We were seriously outraged. Justifiably so, too, imo. And we're BEYOND infuriated when it keeps coming up, to cloud and blur and confuse facts and diffuse or excuse guilt - or make people forget about it or throw up their hands that "oh they all suck, they all do it."

So anyone who picks at that sensitivity is REALLY pushing a button. It's made some of us extraordinarily cynical, and unfortunately that deep, profound cynicism, taught to us and force-fed to us from the highest levels of government and other institutions, seeps in EVERYWHERE. It's like trying to stopper all the little leaks and oozings and bubblings around the La Brea Tar Pits. You almost always see thick, sticky little this's and that's breaking through cracks in the ground or the pavement. It's under pressure from below, and it's never contained for long.

[hifiguy]

75. Tough shit, Georgie.

Maybe you should have thought threw the consequences of gunning down an unarmed young man.

[Aerows]

76. And everybody else

Is afraid of trigger happy vigilantes like Zimmerman roaming the streets.

[HappyMe]

78. I'm sorry. I can't scrape up any sympathy for this guy.

All he had to do was back off like the cops told him on the phone. All he had to do was leave his fucking gun at home.
HE decided to pull the trigger.

I'll bet Trayvon was scared. We'll never hear how scared he was.

[Liberal In Texas]

92. Well, Zimmerman is an "afraid" person, isn't he.

That's why he walks around with a gun in his waist band.

[Solomon]

122. Damn. You hit that one. His daddy shouldn't have

taught him to be so afraid of the "coons".

Betcha pops was always ranting about "coons", er, I mean "punks", "goons", "blah people", "food stamp nixxxxhead", #government ni----s"... Hell, everybody is.

[MineralMan]

97. I'm sure he is. Jail is not nice. He should have considered that

before ignoring the 911 dispatcher's saying he didn't need to follow Trayvon. That was the turning point in this whole thing. He truly didn't need to follow the boy, who was on his way home. But, he did follow him. Then, he shot and killed him. What happened in the interim is a matter for evidence produced in court. But, the entire thing could have been avoided at the point where the 911 dispatcher advised him not to follow.

Thinking before acting is far superior to regretting after acting, it seems to me. He got good advice and ignored it.

Now he's scared, and rightly so. Jail and prison are not safe environments. Too bad he didn't think of that much earlier.

[Ecumenist]

115. But, but, but accordin' to fauxnooz, Trayvon circled back and confronted him at his car

punching him in the face after laying a line on him that was straight out of a 1930's gangster movie. it twernt his fault, it was the thug in the hoodie...

[ellisonz]

98. “So he’s concerned because he’s exposed to many people he doesn’t even know”

Hope he doesn't find them too suspicious...

[Luciferous]

100. Put him in ad seg and tell him to shut the hell up.

[otohara]

113. Did Trayvon Know His Shooter

no he did not.

[Ineeda]

116. I don't want him harmed or killed but

I'm glad he's scared. Fear of harm, especially long-term, is probably worse in many ways than actual physical harm. I hope he gets a fair trial. I hope the evidence proves he's guilty as charged and he doesn't 'get off' because of a technicality (seeing how he admitted killing young Trayvon). I hope he gets a long sentence and he's unharmed and fearful every single minute.

[MrSlayer]

119. Only a whacko wouldn't be.

Unless your circumstances on the outside are worse than they would be on the inside, no one wants to be in jail.