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yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:00 PM Oct 2014

Officials: 3 Denver girls played hooky from school and tried to join ISIS

(CNN) -- The first indication that something was wrong was a phone call from his daughter's Denver area school to let Assad Ibrahim know that she had not come to class.

He dialed her cell. And she answered. But, officials say, she didn't tell him that she was on her way to Syria to join ISIS.

She was just late for class, that's all, Ibrahim's daughter told him on Friday, according to the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office, which filed a runaway report.

The American girl of Sudanese descent also kept quiet about her two girlfriends, Americans of Somali descent, who were flying with her to Turkey by way of Germany.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/colorado-teens-syria-odyssey/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Officials: 3 Denver girls played hooky from school and tried to join ISIS (Original Post) yuiyoshida Oct 2014 OP
Does ISIS even let women participate? arcane1 Oct 2014 #1
They get told to marry one of the male fighters muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #5
ISIS does have female soldiers/police Recursion Oct 2014 #9
interesting- I assumed a lot of the motivation was teen angst + the urge to be seen as "grown up" bettyellen Oct 2014 #37
I find it bizzarre that they were all able to get on an international flight Marrah_G Oct 2014 #2
Depends how instrusive you want government monitoring of extremist websites to be, I guess muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #7
Do you actually believe this story? n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #12
We have the parents named, and a runaway report muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #16
You probably know exactly what I am thinking Aerows Oct 2014 #17
No, seriously, I don't know what you're thinking at all muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #18
LOL! Aerows Oct 2014 #20
It's based on your lack of effort in stating what you think happened muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #24
There are some things lacking here Aerows Oct 2014 #25
The girls had at least $2,000 among the three of them TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #27
It's beyond bizarre Aerows Oct 2014 #29
A passport is a valid ID for international travel; the story says they had their passports muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #28
You can't travel to the countries Aerows Oct 2014 #30
Americans don't need visas to get into Germany TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #33
You have to get a visa Aerows Oct 2014 #34
If they had contacts in ISIS, they were most likely told to get to Turkey. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #86
I think it has something to do with Sailor Moon. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #73
This story Aerows Oct 2014 #11
Agree, checking the article, they are all minors treestar Oct 2014 #53
Wonder if American racism has any impetus for this. Downwinder Oct 2014 #3
more likely it was some cute guys they wanted to meet up with JI7 Oct 2014 #74
Piss poor parenting and education can contribute to wanton disregard for sound decisions seveneyes Oct 2014 #4
The teen years can contribute to a wanton disregard Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #6
We all have our excuses seveneyes Oct 2014 #8
Patty Hearst Recursion Oct 2014 #13
Big difference in that Patty was kidnapped, held as a prisoner and used to extort ransom Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #89
except the Father in this case was against the girl getting involved with these thugs JI7 Oct 2014 #77
I had good parents and did some really reckless, stupid shit as a teen Marrah_G Oct 2014 #81
This story stinks Aerows Oct 2014 #10
CHECK out latest breaking news... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #14
Why does this story seem to smell? Teenage girls get on an international flight? Autumn Oct 2014 #15
It sounds about as plausible Aerows Oct 2014 #19
What strikes me as odd about this story - and did the minute I heard it - Chemisse Oct 2014 #21
I think you answered your own question. Aerows Oct 2014 #22
In prison, charged with what? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #23
Well, for one Aerows Oct 2014 #26
They hadn't tried to enter Turkey yet muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #31
Sneak in overland from Greece? Aerows Oct 2014 #32
Buy a visa on entry into Turkey is what an adult would do muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #35
I'm skeptical Aerows Oct 2014 #36
Can you please just state your hypothesis here? Barack_America Oct 2014 #41
If you can figure out Aerows Oct 2014 #42
Teenagers are the masters of "epicly stupid". Barack_America Oct 2014 #52
Who wants to marry a terrorist? Aerows Oct 2014 #59
He is just misunderstood- a classic bad boy, LOL. I know it's hard to understand HOW people get bettyellen Oct 2014 #69
I don't take things at face value Aerows Oct 2014 #71
look at the Groupies that the younger Tsarnaev Brother has JI7 Oct 2014 #80
You are discussing misinformation Aerows Oct 2014 #38
As I said in #7, this shows the NSA surveillance doesn't pick up stuff like this muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #83
I travel to UK, Germany and Turkey frequently. mainer Oct 2014 #39
Of course they can Aerows Oct 2014 #40
No one's checking visas to Syria. mainer Oct 2014 #43
Do you think 3 American teenaged Aerows Oct 2014 #44
That's how the Austrian teenaged girls got in mainer Oct 2014 #45
Turkey, by the way, is easy to travel in mainer Oct 2014 #46
Okay Aerows Oct 2014 #47
I'll put in a plug for Turkey as a tourist destination mainer Oct 2014 #48
Turkish cuisine is delicious Aerows Oct 2014 #49
most visas you can buy at the airport, so yeah, it could have happened. how many times has it bettyellen Oct 2014 #50
I don't disagree with this statement Aerows Oct 2014 #51
I don't see how they can fake three teenagers getting on a plane- but I think 9/11 happened with bettyellen Oct 2014 #54
15, 16 and 17 Aerows Oct 2014 #55
Turkey is easy as hell to get into and through to Syria from. Teens are allowed to fly w/o adults.. bettyellen Oct 2014 #56
I think the whole Aerows Oct 2014 #58
It's simple, even though stupid behavior TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #87
Not to Syria... brooklynite Oct 2014 #60
nope, you go from Turkey to Syria over land. The borders are very easy to pass. The US has been bettyellen Oct 2014 #63
They were in Germany. n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #61
Where they were only stopped because the Dad informed the police exactlly where he thought she was bettyellen Oct 2014 #64
I have no intel Aerows Oct 2014 #67
there is nothing unusual or hard to believe about this , it's not hard to get 2K if you aren't JI7 Oct 2014 #72
yep- charge the tickets- and the 2K was only what the NOTICED stolen.... The scottish gal was bettyellen Oct 2014 #79
I'm smart enough to know they would have made it to Turkey if Dad hadn't caught on. Visa are bought bettyellen Oct 2014 #75
I speculate on a lot of things Aerows Oct 2014 #82
Well if you look at other stories of people in the US even just PLANNING to join a terrorist group Chemisse Oct 2014 #84
More specific activity - plans to marry a particular ISIS member, and 'suspicious behavior' muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #85
I guess that makes sense - and I am glad they are being treated with some compassion. Chemisse Oct 2014 #94
adults would be charged bettyellen Oct 2014 #92
So, awkward Thanksgiving holiday? brooklynite Oct 2014 #57
"Not the ham" Aerows Oct 2014 #62
WTF WTF WTF? Rex Oct 2014 #65
Hmm. Kids today with their loud music, strange clothes, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #66
This has to be Aerows Oct 2014 #68
there were Somali British Twin Sisters who did this and ended up marrying some guys there JI7 Oct 2014 #70
let em go and dont let em back in. boomer55 Oct 2014 #76
another thing is that a lot of these ISIS Members were raised in the West JI7 Oct 2014 #78
Yeah, the old guys with Osama Bin Laden scraggly facial hair not too appealing to young girls TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #88
Back in my day.... KinMd Oct 2014 #90
Back in my day (waaaay back) TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #93
For teen with passport, Syria trip can be seamless yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #91

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
5. They get told to marry one of the male fighters
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:32 PM
Oct 2014

They are effectively putting themselves up as sex slaves.

Schoolgirl jihadis: the female Islamists leaving home to join Isis fighters

Girls as young as 14 or 15 are travelling mainly to Syria to marry jihadis, bear their children and join communities of fighters, with a small number taking up arms. Many are recruited via social media.
...
In most cases, women and girls appear to have left home to marry jihadis, drawn to the idea of supporting their “brother fighters” and having “jihadist children to continue the spread of Islam”, said Louis Caprioli, former head of the French security agency Direction de la Surveillance du Territoire. “If their husband dies, they will be given adulation as the wife of a martyr.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. ISIS does have female soldiers/police
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:45 PM
Oct 2014
http://time.com/3276567/how-isis-is-recruiting-women-from-around-the-world/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/inside-the-online-world-of-the-women-of-isis

Additionally, if they succeed in getting more internationals involved they will probably have to deal with women who want more of a front-line position (e.g. Chechnyans or Bosnians, whose militant groups have always had female fighters).

As far as the motivation? Smashing capitalism and imperialism holds a certain mystique for a lot of teenagers.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. interesting- I assumed a lot of the motivation was teen angst + the urge to be seen as "grown up"
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:28 PM
Oct 2014

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
7. Depends how instrusive you want government monitoring of extremist websites to be, I guess
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:40 PM
Oct 2014

The one clue that they were going to do this was that they'd looked as sites talking about how to get to Syria. The article doesn't actually say they participated. If they didn't, all the NSA (or whoever) would have is IP addresses showing someone was reading the sites. Innocent people do sometimes look to see what extremists are saying. I can see that reading the sites would be held to be a low priority problem.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
16. We have the parents named, and a runaway report
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:10 PM
Oct 2014

and enough information that people who know the Somali or Sudanese communities in the area will expect to recognise the families. So, yes, I believe the story. I take it you don't. Why not? What do you think the reality is?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. You probably know exactly what I am thinking
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:14 PM
Oct 2014

and I'm going to let it play out. Wouldn't want to "play into a conspiracy theory", now would I?

The babies were flung from the incubators and Iraq had WMD's, right?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
18. No, seriously, I don't know what you're thinking at all
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:17 PM
Oct 2014

To be honest, I suspect that you haven't thought it through at all, and this is just a kneejerk "my government must be lying to me" reaction.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. LOL!
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:22 PM
Oct 2014

That's an interesting conclusion to arrive at.

"kneejerk "my government must be lying to me".

Considering that my government has been so incredibly truthful ( ), my incredulity, I would think, would be natural.

And to state that I haven't thought it through at all? That's rich!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
24. It's based on your lack of effort in stating what you think happened
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:35 PM
Oct 2014

A lack which continues. If you're unable to put forward an alternative, it's reasonable to conclude you don't have one.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. There are some things lacking here
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:42 PM
Oct 2014

and they aren't with my (or yours, for that matter) explanations on what happened.

The massive chasm between this occurring exactly as the government stated it happened and common sense would take a *huge* leap of logic.

Feel free to come to your own conclusions, but I'm just going to sit here and go "HA HA HA" do you really think everyone is this stupid? Re-evaluate the story as written, then think about passports, security in a post-911 world, airports, valid ID, and monetary means to do all of the above, along with monetary means on their person WITHOUT triggering a response.

Really think about the logistics. Then think about the fact that these are teenagers. Are you *REALLY* going to tell me this bucket could hold water?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
27. The girls had at least $2,000 among the three of them
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Oct 2014

The story is definitely bizarre, but not necessarily completely unbelievable.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. It's beyond bizarre
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

How did they get a visa to enter those countries? If they were US citizens, they DID need a visa to enter the the countries they were traveling to.

It's dumb.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
28. A passport is a valid ID for international travel; the story says they had their passports
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Oct 2014

Is it possible for 15-17 year-olds to have enough money for a transatlantic flight? Of course it is. And there's the possibility they had help from someone else - we'll see.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. You can't travel to the countries
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:57 PM
Oct 2014

where ISIS operates without a visa. Please feel free to look it up.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
33. Americans don't need visas to get into Germany
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

They were probably caught when they couldn't produce visas for further travel.

Frankly, I haven't read very much about this. Is it possible that they hold dual citizenship/dual passports to get into any of the countries where ISIS operates?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. You have to get a visa
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:07 PM
Oct 2014

to enter the countries they were supposedly going to. Maybe they were planning to hike from Greece (LOL!) overland, or hike from Turkey as 15, 16 and 17 year old girls after they bought a visa in Turkey (LOL!).

Do you see the logistical problems with either scenario? Because I certainly do.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
86. If they had contacts in ISIS, they were most likely told to get to Turkey.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:44 AM
Oct 2014

From there ISIS has operatives getting people coming in to fight from all over the world across the border.

ISIS has been active inside of Turkey for some time now, they have crossed the border with impunity.


The two Austrian girls took the same route through Turkey to join ISIS. They are 15 and 17.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
73. I think it has something to do with Sailor Moon.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:22 AM
Oct 2014


Oni Isis | FanFiction
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/538130/Oni-Isis
Oni Isis is a fanfiction author that has written 5 stories for Sailor Moon, and Rurouni Kenshin.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. This story
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:50 PM
Oct 2014

is so bad you would have to be dumber than a bag of hair to take it at face value.

Not the OP, who just relayed it, but whatever government official decided to concoct this fable. WMD, babies flung out of incubators, etc.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. Agree, checking the article, they are all minors
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:24 PM
Oct 2014

I would have thought there would have to be permission for an airline to agree to let a minor on board.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
74. more likely it was some cute guys they wanted to meet up with
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:23 AM
Oct 2014

of course they had the whole fighting for a cause bs to justify stealing money , running away from home etc.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
4. Piss poor parenting and education can contribute to wanton disregard for sound decisions
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:16 PM
Oct 2014

Can't say for sure this is the case here but there are other inexcusable options if not.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
8. We all have our excuses
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:41 PM
Oct 2014

Joining a squad of murderous, scumbag, religious filthy killers is not one of them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
89. Big difference in that Patty was kidnapped, held as a prisoner and used to extort ransom
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

They invaded her apartment and abused her as captive for weeks and weeks before she 'joined them'.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
77. except the Father in this case was against the girl getting involved with these thugs
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:27 AM
Oct 2014

she went against them as teenagers do and father called authorities and reported them.

it's not like he sold them off to some thugs in the name of his faith or anything.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
81. I had good parents and did some really reckless, stupid shit as a teen
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:58 AM
Oct 2014

I'm very glad they got the girls back before they ended up as slaves, married off to some fighter.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. This story stinks
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:47 PM
Oct 2014

on many levels. I'll let people that haven't had their common sense flung out of the window to decide why that is.

Hint: babies aren't getting flung out of incubators, either.

This isn't a slight against you, yuiyoshida, you are just reporting the story. Thank you for that. It is up to intelligent people to process the news given and decide if it makes any sense, and this story doesn't make a grain of it.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
15. Why does this story seem to smell? Teenage girls get on an international flight?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
Oct 2014

"German authorities intercepted the trio, ages 15, 16 and 17, at Frankfurt airport and put them on a plane back to the United States, where they were greeted by FBI agents."
Daddy found out the girl was gone when the school callled to let him lknow that she had not come to class?

Horse shit.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
21. What strikes me as odd about this story - and did the minute I heard it -
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014

Is that the girls are allowed to go back home. All is forgiven.

Now that may seem the sensible way to handle this kind of situation, since they are under age and were probably lured into this decision, but it strikes a discord to me.

Since the 'war on terror' began, there has been no mercy for anyone who is even suspected of maybe joining forces with terrorists. Why aren't these young girls in prison?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
23. In prison, charged with what?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:33 PM
Oct 2014

Missing school? Wasting police time? To have them in prison, as opposed to at home (where it sounds as if the parents will watch them the whole time), you need a specific charge. And that will need hard evidence that they were going to join a terrorist group, as opposed to just travelling to the area (and is intent to join a specific charge? Or do they need to have joined?) Perhaps they will be able to work up a charge, examining their computers and phones. But look at the Canadian pair who killed 2 soldiers this week; they had their passports confiscated (which governments can do without a trial, because they are government property, in most countries at least), but they weren't jailed.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. Well, for one
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:48 PM
Oct 2014

forging a visa. Since you aren't going to be traveling anywhere and entering a country without one. I know you live in Great Britain, so you are definitely smarter than to believe you just enter a country without one if it isn't in Europe.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
31. They hadn't tried to enter Turkey yet
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:58 PM
Oct 2014

so there's no particular reason to think they had forged a Turkish visa, which you'd normally buy on entry. As far as I can see, US citizens can travel to Germany without a visa. Whether Turkey refuses visas to unaccompanied teenagers, I don't know; they may have been planning to sneak in overland from Greece.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. Sneak in overland from Greece?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:00 PM
Oct 2014

Really? Buy a visa on entry into Turkey? Really?

Far be it from me to say that any and all of that sounds far-fetched, but whatever floats your boat.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
35. Buy a visa on entry into Turkey is what an adult would do
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:14 PM
Oct 2014

as the link pointed out. People are smuggled into Greece from Turkey; the smugglers may now have a sideline in taking people back. Whether either of these would have succeeded, we don't know, since they were stopped at the German airport.

This isn't about whether their plan was well enough thought through to succeed, if the alarm hadn't been raised before they got beyond Frankfurt; it's about your dismissal of the whole story as a fake to rank alongside the 'killing babies in incubators' and 'Saddam has WMD' stories. You're saying it's part of a US government misinformation program. Which bit do you think is a lie?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. I'm skeptical
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:24 PM
Oct 2014

I've heard too much bs in my lifetime and this reeks of it.

You may call me whatever you like for being the frontrunner of calling this bullshit. The entire story is about as plausible as someone publishing a discovery that the moon is made of cheese.

I reiterate. I will accept responsibility for being the front-runner of calling horse shit on this story.

You are free to mock me if I am incorrect. Deal?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
41. Can you please just state your hypothesis here?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:42 PM
Oct 2014

What is the "real" story? I've been enjoying your back and forth but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what you're getting at here.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
42. If you can figure out
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:46 PM
Oct 2014

what is the "real story" here as opposed to this fiction, I want to hear it. I've stated my case for how implausible this entire story is, and I wasn't the one that created it. I just explained how the official story is epicly stupid.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
52. Teenagers are the masters of "epicly stupid".
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:21 PM
Oct 2014

So the story of a romantic misguided notion to go off and marry ISIS fighters, while not realizing that Visas are required for foreign travel, is completely plausible to me.

Is wanting to marry a terrorist even a crime? Seriously, I do not know.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
59. Who wants to marry a terrorist?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:54 PM
Oct 2014

WTF?

"Hey, Mom and Dad, here is my boyfriend. He's a jihadi with a .50 caliber. Don't do Christmas ham this year!"

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
69. He is just misunderstood- a classic bad boy, LOL. I know it's hard to understand HOW people get
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:16 AM
Oct 2014

duped by people who are obviously just pretending to care- and to be soul mates.... but we've all seen it happen to people smarter than 16- 17 year olds. Seducers are going to seduce and isolate. I'm sure the same hot guy is skyping with 30-40 teenagers daily because he's better at it than anyone else there. Even if he succeeding 1/100 it's worth it to them PR wise.

Boy those gals will be pissed about the bait and switch to another guy- who treats her like chattel and uses her as a breeder- when they get to Syria.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. You are discussing misinformation
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:28 PM
Oct 2014

How damn far do you think all of this really could get?

There are 3 areas where this breaks down. I showed you one.

Now here is a gem!

The NSA/Five Eyes spy on us to protect us while violating our freedoms, but they couldn't catch school girls until the school girls got into Germany, which isn't part of Five Eyes.

Pee on my leg and tell me it is raining again.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
83. As I said in #7, this shows the NSA surveillance doesn't pick up stuff like this
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 03:58 AM
Oct 2014

If they do monitor the IP addresses that read extremist websites, they're not following that up to identify the households using the addresses, and then placing all the members of the families on the no-fly list. That's what your incredulity boils down to - that they weren't marked as a problem and prevented from boarding the flight in the USA, because their households accessed some sites. Of course, they might well have used public IP addresses to read them, in which case identifying them would be even more difficult.

Do you think reading extremist websites should put someone, and their family (because you won't know which one is doing it) on a no-fly list? I personally think that would be an infringement of their rights.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
39. I travel to UK, Germany and Turkey frequently.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

US citizens don't need visas for UK and Germany. turkey visas can be obtained online within minutes, or on arrival at the airport.

And yes, a visa for Turkey is that simple. Arrive in Istanbul, wait in line, pay the fee, and you're in.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. Of course they can
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:41 PM
Oct 2014

But entry visas to the countries they were supposedly going to? No. That was my point.

So that leaves 3 teenaged girls traveling to a violent area. With 2000 dollars pooled together.

How does that make sense?

mainer

(12,029 posts)
43. No one's checking visas to Syria.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:46 PM
Oct 2014

fighters are being escorted across the Turkish border by ISIS. That's how the Aussie kid probably got in.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
44. Do you think 3 American teenaged
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:50 PM
Oct 2014

girls, 15,16 and 17 will be shuttled right in?

Uh, are you aware of the culture there?

mainer

(12,029 posts)
46. Turkey, by the way, is easy to travel in
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:00 PM
Oct 2014

It's not a restrictive country. I have driven all over it, and all you need to do is head east or south and you'll be at the border. No one will stop you. I'm a woman by the way.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
48. I'll put in a plug for Turkey as a tourist destination
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:05 PM
Oct 2014

While I've got your attention. It's beautiful, friendly, fascinating, and cheap. I head there next week on business.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
49. Turkish cuisine is delicious
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:09 PM
Oct 2014

Do enjoy when you go

They do things with yogurt and cucumber as a sauce to make a person drool for a lifetime just thinking of it .

EDIT: I'm a tea fan. I love tea. Turkish tea is delightful!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
50. most visas you can buy at the airport, so yeah, it could have happened. how many times has it
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:16 PM
Oct 2014

happened to teenagers in the UK? they're young, not savvy enough to understand they are being manipulated and often angry at the world. I don't know why anyone would think our govt needs to do anti Isis PR, they are doing a really fine job on their own.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
51. I don't disagree with this statement
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:18 PM
Oct 2014

"I don't know why anyone would think our govt needs to do anti Isis PR, they are doing a really fine job on their own."

But our government has a history of bungling things.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
54. I don't see how they can fake three teenagers getting on a plane- but I think 9/11 happened with
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:25 PM
Oct 2014

planes and no bombs. Both pretty difficult to fake, and kind of pointless in both cases too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
55. 15, 16 and 17
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:29 PM
Oct 2014

With 2000 dollars all together. No visas for the countries they want to enter ... sorry, bettyellen, I'm having a problem with this one.

I can suspend my disbelief only so far, and this one doesn't pass the test.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. Turkey is easy as hell to get into and through to Syria from. Teens are allowed to fly w/o adults..
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:47 PM
Oct 2014

even internationally. No one blinks an eye. I do not see the problem at all.

Not sure what is weird about this except how dumb it is- but teens can be pretty dumb and easily manipulated.
Isis is not going to bother trying to recruit older people with steady lives and jobs, that would be a waste of time.
Do you think they faked the british and canadian voices in their videos too? I saw speculation about that but think it's a crock. It is not currently difficult to get to Syria.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
58. I think the whole
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:52 PM
Oct 2014

thing is a crock of shit. It's contrived and weird. Maybe I'm too cynical, but the whole thing smells. Not just the teenagers going and getting caught in Germany, which is pretty damn strange, but all of it.

I don't know.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
87. It's simple, even though stupid behavior
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:42 AM
Oct 2014

Steal your parents' credit cards.

Buy your flight tickets.

Grab your passports.

Head to the airport in own car or call a taxi.

Get on a plane. (They were all beyond age of needing to be escorted.)

Meanwhile, parents figure out what's going on. Girls not at school. Check their computers. Did girls leave notes?

Notify authorities.

Grab the girls in Germany, before they fly to Turkey, which does need a visa upon entry, but is simple to acquire.

Thought on the parents and their parenting - kids do stupid shit! These parents wanted their daughters back. I presume they are not radical themselves and don't plan on stoning them upon return.

/sarcasm

Seriously, though, these girls will be questioned to see if they had actual contacts, which is probably unlikely. More likely, they are stupid, irrational girls, who have romanticized the fight against the enemies of Islam. Of course, they could have a contact in this country, so they will be watched just as a precaution. NSA and all that...

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
63. nope, you go from Turkey to Syria over land. The borders are very easy to pass. The US has been
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:02 AM
Oct 2014

begging Turkey to provide more security @ crossings for months.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
64. Where they were only stopped because the Dad informed the police exactlly where he thought she was
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:06 AM
Oct 2014

going. Interesting the Dad can believe she would do this, but DUers are having a hard time.
Another teen was arrested (beecause she is 18) for the same thing last month. All admittedly had cute jihadi boyfriends skyping them. Heady stuff for a rebellious teen.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
67. I have no intel
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:11 AM
Oct 2014

on the "cute jihadi boyfriends" via skype.

They were stopped in Germany, had 2 grand pooled together on them, and no entry visa to where they wanted to go.

bettyellen, you are a New Yorker. You must be smarter than to take this at face value.

It isn't even political for God's sake, it's common sense.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
72. there is nothing unusual or hard to believe about this , it's not hard to get 2K if you aren't
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:20 AM
Oct 2014

worried about paying it back you can easily steal it from family and other close members.

or they could have got it from the ISIS guys who want to marry them .

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
79. yep- charge the tickets- and the 2K was only what the NOTICED stolen.... The scottish gal was
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:34 AM
Oct 2014

pretty well off, wasn't she? God knows how much an upper class teen can squirrel away in six months to a year if she wanted to.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
75. I'm smart enough to know they would have made it to Turkey if Dad hadn't caught on. Visa are bought
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:23 AM
Oct 2014

on the spot- not sure why you keep claiming there was some obstacle stopping them from getting to Turkey? There was none.


Dad knew his daughter had a romantic LDR with a foreign muslin, (he denied them his blessing) and put two and two together when he found her passport missing. He went to the best friends house and found they were missing, l also stole 2K and took their passports.
That is when he called authorities.

Sorry, it is not that hard once the tickets are bought. No one blinks an eye at teen travelers.

Do you have ANY theory why the USA would try to make something like this up? DO you think thy are faking Isis videos? Bomings? What?
I'm curios, because THAT makes no sense to me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
82. I speculate on a lot of things
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:44 AM
Oct 2014

I'm sure you do, too.

My thought is that it was gin up support for what is going to turn into a "Boots on the ground" against ISIS, despite that public support for another war campaign has a sorry showing in polls.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
84. Well if you look at other stories of people in the US even just PLANNING to join a terrorist group
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:32 AM
Oct 2014

They are all charged with crimes.

Such as this one:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/justice/colorado-jihadist-guilty-plea/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
85. More specific activity - plans to marry a particular ISIS member, and 'suspicious behavior'
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:49 AM
Oct 2014
Conley, 19, was arrested at Denver International Airport in April as she was about to embark on a journey to Germany and eventually to an ISIS camp near the Turkish border. She told investigators that she was going to Turkey to await word from her suitor, identified in court documents as Yousr Mouelhi, an ISIS member she met on the Internet, whom she planned to marry.

Conley, a convert to Islam who wore a blue and white striped jail uniform and a traditional Muslim headscarf, appeared before a federal judge Wednesday and pleaded guilty to charge of conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization.
...
She told federal agents she had read a book called "Al-Qaida's Doctrine for Insurgency" and intended to wage jihad against the United States, according to the criminal complaint.
...
Conley first came to the attention of authorities after the pastor and the security director at a church in Arvada, Colorado, called police and said she was acting suspiciously. Authorities interviewed her seven times over the course of five months before arresting her at the airport.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/10/justice/colorado-jihadist-guilty-plea/

Their youth and apparent lack of other activity may have stopped them from being seen as more than foolish wannabes with a vague plan to get to Turkey. And it's possible they will be charged; Conley had a history the authorities could put forward at once as evidence, while they've only just started the investigation of the teens.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
62. "Not the ham"
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:01 AM
Oct 2014

Seriously, not the honey ham this time. Or the oyster dressing. Or ...

Oh hell, we'll just have a salad and eat somewhere else after they leave.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
66. Hmm. Kids today with their loud music, strange clothes,
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:11 AM
Oct 2014

and joining anti-Western Jihadist terrorist groups..... it was all different back in my day.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
68. This has to be
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:13 AM
Oct 2014

the dumbest story I've ever heard, and I've heard some dumb ones.

I think they picked up whatever fell off of the turnip truck to make "news".

JI7

(89,269 posts)
78. another thing is that a lot of these ISIS Members were raised in the West
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

so they are able to communicate and more easily have things in common with others in places like the US , Europe etc.

this is why there seems to be more young people in the west who find it appealing compared to Al Qaeda and some other groups where it's mostly older types raised in the old countries and much more conservative who mostly want to talk about the quran .

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
88. Yeah, the old guys with Osama Bin Laden scraggly facial hair not too appealing to young girls
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:51 AM
Oct 2014

ISIS, ISIL, IS, Islamic State ???? members have learned a thing or two, apparently, about attracting young females.

KinMd

(966 posts)
90. Back in my day....
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:23 AM
Oct 2014

girls would skip school, go to a guys house, get high and maybe have sex. The good ol' days

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
93. Back in my day (waaaay back)
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

ya' skipped school with your fella' and walked down the railroad tracks into a rural area where you "made out."


Those were some well-worn tracks.

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
91. For teen with passport, Syria trip can be seamless
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:40 AM
Oct 2014

PARIS (AP) — The teenage sisters told their father they were staying home sick from their suburban Denver school. Instead, they took $2,000 and their passports and headed off for Syria with a 16-year-old friend. They made it as far as Germany before border guards detained them for questioning.

The fact that adolescent girls could make their way across the Atlantic might come as a surprise to many parents, but a patchwork of laws and rules governing international air travel in many cases makes it easy for teenagers to travel with nobody's permission but their own.

Airlines have a range of rules governing minors' travel: Many major carriers including United Airlines and Scandinavian airline SAS place no restrictions on children over 12, while others let even young minors travel as long as they are accompanied by someone over 16. Yet others, including American Airlines, require a parent to accompany travelers under the age of 15 to the gate, while those 15 and over face no restrictions.

Countries have a separate set of laws that is no less haphazard, from a Russian requirement for notarized parental permission to the U.S. system where adolescents with valid passports are free to come and go.

In Spain, both parents must fill out a permission form at a police station before a minor can travel alone. In Germany, where the American teens were stopped, border guards are required to verify that minors have parental permission to travel.

And in France, which is Europe's single largest source of would-be jihadis, parental authorization had to be received by city hall — until January 2013.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/For-teen-with-passport-Syria-trip-can-be-seamless-5842188.php

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