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Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:23 PM Apr 2012

Cheerleading | Is it a sport?

This piece from the Washington Post provides the background for this thread.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/title-ix-anniversary-maryland-cuts-cheerleading-but-was-it-ever-a-sport/2012/04/13/gIQA5EkRFT_story_2.html

The issue is not sports, but rather Title IX and gender equality.

Cheerleading is a particularly high profile face of it, not for the needed athleticism, but because it is easy to mock and use as an icon of government overreach. Like any other sport, it is open, in one form or another, to both genders, but is mostly seens as being for one and not the other. There is women's football, for example, but it isn't particularly high profile.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

I think it is a sport, as much as baseball, basketball, and football.

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Cheerleading | Is it a sport? (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 OP
I'd say no Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #1
I don't think poker is a sport Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #4
It's ESPN, not EAPN Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #8
You've clearly stated an opion, but not a reason for holding it. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #20
Is it in the Olympic games? Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #26
Okay, but why? Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #45
I guess the Olypics answer didn't suffice Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #47
Yeah, I think NASCAR's a sport. I think all auto racing is a sport. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #77
None of those are sports Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #79
"There are only three true sports..... A HERETIC I AM Apr 2012 #114
The Olympic committe is sooo out of touch they tried to get Keith Moon to reunite with The Who. dogknob Apr 2012 #72
No shit? Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #82
I, for one, hope they pull it off. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #105
but the E is (was) for entertainment fishwax Apr 2012 #115
But what about cheerleading for poker? eridani Apr 2012 #118
I'm not a big fan but I'd say yes. progressoid Apr 2012 #24
Too much skill, body control, and discipline to be a sport! 1monster Apr 2012 #57
If it is not then what is it? jwirr Apr 2012 #2
Just by way of example, it could be called an "activity" Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #12
He was an incredible athlete, same goes for Gelsey Kirkland alfredo Apr 2012 #40
I get the point. That has always been an arguement - even back as far as when I was in school jwirr Apr 2012 #59
I read somewhere that cheerleaders have a higher injury rate than the athletes they cheer for. progressoid Apr 2012 #3
Exactly fightforfreedom123 Apr 2012 #6
Girls' Most Dangerous Sport: Cheerleading progressoid Apr 2012 #32
Surprised that it outranks gymnastics n/t eridani Apr 2012 #119
Yeah, it's the most dangerous sport... jmowreader Apr 2012 #120
Sure it's a sport. There are competitions MineralMan Apr 2012 #5
Anyone who has watched a competition ceile Apr 2012 #14
No, I don't think it is. HappyMe Apr 2012 #7
Is gymnastics a sport to you? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #10
Gymnastics is a sport treestar Apr 2012 #48
It's kind of like gymnastics is just full of "tricks". nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #64
Ice dancing is an Olympic sport. Synchronized swimming is also. Downwinder Apr 2012 #56
Absolutely. Very few people understand the strength, and gynastics training it requires. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #9
about a month ago lukkadairish Apr 2012 #11
It's like people who wear flashy earring, rings, or clothes. They're obviously not real athletes. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #18
Flashy earrings? Like some 7 foot+ basketball players? RC Apr 2012 #30
Figure skaters are covered in glitter, rhinestones, heavy makeup, fake hair... is skating a sport? riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #39
Can you bet on it in Vegas? Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #13
You may just get your wish... madinmaryland Apr 2012 #22
Well done; that is the criteria for sports as opposed to athletics Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #87
It is a sport Renew Deal Apr 2012 #15
Gymnastics is a sport ceile Apr 2012 #16
No. HopeHoops Apr 2012 #17
It's like gymnastics. Not really a sport. Just a chance to display pretty girls. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21
Gymnastics is a sport. Cheerleading is a performance art like marching band. HopeHoops Apr 2012 #28
The marching band is always jealous of the cheerleaders. I guess all those cheer competitions Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #29
This Ex-Marching Band RobinA Apr 2012 #41
Always seemed like the marching band had more fun. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #42
We WERE the fun. HopeHoops Apr 2012 #108
That didn't stop Gee Dubya KamaAina Apr 2012 #63
not conducive to abstinence only kiri Apr 2012 #78
More than golf or bowling is TlalocW Apr 2012 #19
I believe there was a big debate several years ago about whether a disabled golfer should be allowed Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #23
Debate? It went up to US Supreme Court. AngryAmish Apr 2012 #66
I wonder if they would let me use one as a linebacker in the NFL. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #67
+1 Incitatus Apr 2012 #25
Yes, it is a sport. My wife was a cheerleader, and gymnast. She introduced gymnastic moves alfredo Apr 2012 #27
I remember seeing this documentary Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #38
All teams "borrow" from competitors. alfredo Apr 2012 #43
Are you referring to Bring It On w/ Kirsten Dunst? ceile Apr 2012 #52
More of a sport than golf. FSogol Apr 2012 #31
I can golf. There is no way in hell I could cheerlead. AngryAmish Apr 2012 #65
Can you bet on it? kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #33
I think it's athletic, but even when called "acro," I dunno if it's a sport. Sparkly Apr 2012 #34
Yes. Absolutely. Iggo Apr 2012 #35
Why do you see it that way? Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #49
It's gymnastics and gymnastics is a sport. Iggo Apr 2012 #61
There's a ton of supposition going on in this thread Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #62
That's why I said "I suspect". Iggo Apr 2012 #75
At least two have weighed in here saying that poker's a sport Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #73
And that makes at least two who are completely wrong. Iggo Apr 2012 #76
It is obviously a sport. Anyone who says otherwise has a vocabulary problem. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #36
It depends. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #37
Can be, but I have a more restrictive definition Spike89 Apr 2012 #44
What of beer pong, bridge, and chutes and ladders? fishwax Apr 2012 #104
Inherently a muddy mess anyway you choose Spike89 Apr 2012 #124
I do too. I also think dancing like ballet that takes years of training Cleita Apr 2012 #46
No. But is IS athletic. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #50
Like women's crew. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #71
If people will agree to call marching band a sport, then sure. Bladian Apr 2012 #51
When you can turn a back hand spring into a full and then end in a back tuck call me. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #68
Funny, I don't recall saying cheerleading wasn't hard. Bladian Apr 2012 #89
A band that marches? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #90
And this is exactly what I was talking about. Bladian Apr 2012 #91
Are they not a band that marches? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #92
They are. Bladian Apr 2012 #94
I broke several bones while cheerleading and training. Not to mention the torn tendons and ligaments Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #95
Hell yeah it's a Sport! trumad Apr 2012 #53
If Nascar is a sport, then Cheerleading is. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #54
While we're on the subject, how about billiards or darts? I say yes, they are sports, too. Electric Monk Apr 2012 #81
Yes, they are as they require a degree of skill and tactics. Cleita Apr 2012 #88
Oh sure bring in the subject of motorsports.... Little Star Apr 2012 #83
There are different types of cheerleading. BeeBee Apr 2012 #55
Since professional "sports" are entertainment and cheerleaders are entertainers... Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #58
Cheerleading is a Sport. bpj62 Apr 2012 #60
Not a sport. bluedigger Apr 2012 #69
It's like gymnastics or womens basketball. Just something to keep the girls occupied while the men Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #70
LOL! Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #80
Roll your eyes at your own self for putting words in my mouth. bluedigger Apr 2012 #84
"As long as cheerleadings' first criteria of ability remains physical appearance and not athletic Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #85
Modern day cheerleading certainly is! frogmarch Apr 2012 #74
It's an apprenticeship for pharmaceutical sales reps Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #86
No, it's cheering for the people playing the sports. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #93
Pyramids? Are you a centenarian? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #97
Hah, no. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #99
Most modern cheerleading consists of what is called stunts. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #101
I think it's become more athletic over the years TNLib Apr 2012 #96
Depends on how we define "sport". JoePhilly Apr 2012 #98
Cheerleading most certainly has #3 and #5. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #100
How do you play defense in cheerleeding? JoePhilly Apr 2012 #103
I lost my virginity to a cheerleader zappaman Apr 2012 #102
Webster's Dictionary says, yes, it's a sport DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #106
As much as figure skating or rhythmic gymnastics for sure. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #107
No. mzteris Apr 2012 #109
How, then, do ice dancing and figure skating pass muster? Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #110
Perhaps you are confusing the Lakers dance team with cheerleaders? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #113
How is it that wiggling your butt causes more injuries than any other sport? Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #123
You have to be pretty damned athletic to do it varelse Apr 2012 #111
Being physical in nature... if cheerleaders perform in a competiton then it's a sport. OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #112
Yes, it's a sport. n/t tammywammy Apr 2012 #116
Depends on the coaches, but its definitely a sport at my kid's school bhikkhu Apr 2012 #117
It's the most dangerous sport there is. More injuries in cheerleading than any other sport Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #121
Cheer competitions fall 100% under the definition of "Sport" Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #122

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
1. I'd say no
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:26 PM
Apr 2012

but then again, it is shown on ESPN (and those crazy cheer moms might kill me).

So cheerleading and poker = sports

Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
20. You've clearly stated an opion, but not a reason for holding it.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:38 PM
Apr 2012

Not picking a fight here, really.

But why do you see it as something other than a sport?

As to poker, it is done while sitting and eating salty snack. Intoxicating beverages are often consumed by the participants while participating. In most sports, those activities are reserved for the spectators. Removing tongue from cheek, it involves almost no physical activity.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
26. Is it in the Olympic games?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:44 PM
Apr 2012

Then again, a few of the Olympic "sports" I don't consider sports either.

Just like dancing - chearleading is not a sport.

Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
77. Yeah, I think NASCAR's a sport. I think all auto racing is a sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:16 PM
Apr 2012

If you want to apply "I know it when I see it" I'd say that any activity that requires exceptional athleticism to participate is a sport. Poker doesn't fit that bill. Golf barely does.

So would cheerleading, no?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
114. "There are only three true sports.....
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:07 PM
Apr 2012

Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Motor Racing. All the rest are merely games."

Attributed to Earnest Hemingway.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
72. The Olympic committe is sooo out of touch they tried to get Keith Moon to reunite with The Who.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:11 PM
Apr 2012

...for the 2012 ceremony
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/16/london-olympics-organizers-request-keith-moon-for-closing-ceremony/

That said, no I don't believe cheerleading is a sport...

But the opinion of the Olympics on just about anything is shite.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
105. I, for one, hope they pull it off.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:44 PM
Apr 2012

As long as we don't have zombie issues to deal with--dirt in the mouth and that kind of thing--I'd love to see Keith Moon play again. But while they're at it, I don't think I'm alone in wanting the Olympic Committee to do the same trick for John Bonham. I think I asked very nicely; they should take this under consideration.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
115. but the E is (was) for entertainment
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:22 PM
Apr 2012

They have long since dropped the full name, but ESPN originally stood for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
118. But what about cheerleading for poker?
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:12 AM
Apr 2012

Aces, aces back to back!
Fill that straight with a one-eyed jack!
Playyyy POKER!

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
24. I'm not a big fan but I'd say yes.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:40 PM
Apr 2012

sport (spôrt) n.

1.

a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
12. Just by way of example, it could be called an "activity"
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:34 PM
Apr 2012

What about competitive Ballroom Dancing? It was, again by way of example, a demonstration sport at the Atlanta Summer Games (Olypics) a few years back. Olympics or not, it remains a remarkably popular sport at many colleges. There are also amateur and professional competitions almost every week, year round. I can also tell you that the required athleticism is no less than that required for any other athletic endeavor.

What about, for example, Baryshnikov? Was he an artist or an athlete?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
59. I get the point. That has always been an arguement - even back as far as when I was in school
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:50 PM
Apr 2012

in the 50s.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
32. Girls' Most Dangerous Sport: Cheerleading
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:49 PM
Apr 2012
Girls' Most Dangerous Sport: Cheerleading

For high school girls and college women, cheerleading is far more dangerous than any other sport, according to a new report that adds several previously unreported cases of serious injuries to a growing list.

High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research.

The new estimate is up from 55 percent in last year's study. The researches say the true number of cheerleading injuries appears to be higher than they had previously thought. And these are not ankle sprains. The report counts fatal, disabling and serious injuries.

The statistics are equally grim in college, where cheerleading accounted for 66.7 percent of all female sports catastrophic injuries, compared to the past estimate of 59.4 percent.

...

Less than catastrophic injuries are vastly more common and they occur at much younger ages, too. Children ages 5 to 18 admitted to hospitals for cheerleading injuries in the United States jumped from 10,900 in 1990 to 22,900 in 2002, according to research published in the journal Pediatrics in 2006. The breakdown:

Strains/sprains: 52.4 percent
Soft tissue injuries: 18.4 percent
Fractures/dislocations: 16.4 percent
Lacerations/avulsions: 3.8 percent
Concussions/closed head injuries: 3.5 percent
Other: 5.5 percent


http://www.livescience.com/2775-girls-dangerous-sport-cheerleading.html


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jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
120. Yeah, it's the most dangerous sport...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:14 AM
Apr 2012

because a hell of a lot of high schools just pick the cutest female teacher, or a female teacher who "hasn't got anything better to do," to run the cheerleading squad, whether she has cheerleading experience or not.

If they picked the football coach the same way, kids would DIE on the football field in vast numbers.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Sure it's a sport. There are competitions
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:29 PM
Apr 2012

for cheerleading, and there's no denying the athletic nature of it. I'm always surprised when people argue that it's not, really.

ceile

(8,692 posts)
14. Anyone who has watched a competition
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:36 PM
Apr 2012

knows the answer is "yes". I can't imagine doing some of the tumbling and gynmastics they do...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
48. Gymnastics is a sport
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

But what is called cheerleading now may include a lot of gymnastics. It is gymnastics, not even cheerleading. I saw a competition on TV yesterday, or part of one. I had no sense, from watching that, of cheering for any team. They weren't cheerleading at all. Just performing gymnastic tricks.

lukkadairish

(122 posts)
11. about a month ago
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:34 PM
Apr 2012

I sat at a local basketball game and I overheard an interesting conversation about this very thing.....one talker (I will leave gender out of it) was very comfortable saying it was a bonafide sport. The other talk er submitted an opinion to the effect that if the cheerleaders wanted to be taken seriously they needed to tone down the glitter eye makeup and stick-ons, the fake weave ponytails, and the heavy lipstick. The first talker countered that gymnasts do the same thing and are not questioned.....the second talker came back and asked #1 how many Olympic gymnasts had a fake ponytail......and so on......its pretty good food for thought. If the hair thing is an attempt to have some kind of uniformity, its a weak attempt at such. The makeup-----all young ladies wear it, but I gotta admit that the rhinestones and glitter are a bit much......then again I have no dog in this fight, and the talkers seemingly did.....

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
39. Figure skaters are covered in glitter, rhinestones, heavy makeup, fake hair... is skating a sport?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:54 PM
Apr 2012

You could say the same about sand volleyball? Bikinis and makeup! Is that a sport?

I'd say they all are regardless of the costuming.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
28. Gymnastics is a sport. Cheerleading is a performance art like marching band.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:45 PM
Apr 2012

And yes, I was in marching band. I couldn't be a cheerleader because of my facial hair and lack of boobs.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
29. The marching band is always jealous of the cheerleaders. I guess all those cheer competitions
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:47 PM
Apr 2012

are for performance.

For the record I cheered and had plenty of facial and chest hair.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
41. This Ex-Marching Band
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:58 PM
Apr 2012

member was never jealous of cheerleaders. Well, except they got to wear sweaters to football games and I was wearing a white micro-mini skirt and a nylon blouse when it was 30 degrees out...

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
42. Always seemed like the marching band had more fun.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
Apr 2012

I was stuck doing push ups every time the football team scored or holding up a 100lb flyer with one hand.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
63. That didn't stop Gee Dubya
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:51 PM
Apr 2012

of course, the Bush men seem to be unable to grow much in the way of facial hair.

TlalocW

(15,383 posts)
19. More than golf or bowling is
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:38 PM
Apr 2012

If you can comfortably eat pizza, drink beer, ride in a cart from place to place while taking part in it - in essence consume more calories than whatever you're doing takes off, it's a game.

Which is why I've been in favor of making golfers sprint toward their ball after they've made a shot, hitting the ball again as quickly as possible, factoring in the golfer's time into his final score. That would also get the games off television a lot faster.

TlalocW

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
23. I believe there was a big debate several years ago about whether a disabled golfer should be allowed
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:39 PM
Apr 2012

to use a cart since other pro golfers were unable to do so.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
66. Debate? It went up to US Supreme Court.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:05 PM
Apr 2012

If you have a permanent disability you can use a cart. Otherwise you can't in USGA sanctioned competition.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
67. I wonder if they would let me use one as a linebacker in the NFL.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:06 PM
Apr 2012

With a few modifications I would lead in sacks.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
27. Yes, it is a sport. My wife was a cheerleader, and gymnast. She introduced gymnastic moves
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:45 PM
Apr 2012

and form to her squad. Her non gymnast teammates saw her as a threat, but her gymnast teammates got with the program. One became a championship winning high school coach. Our state is the winningest state in the sport. Our university wins the nationals nearly every year. It is a difficult and dangerous discipline.

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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
38. I remember seeing this documentary
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:53 PM
Apr 2012

about a competitive cheerleading squad from a rich suburb that routinely won the national championship for cheerleading. It turns out that all along they had been stealing their routines from a public school cheerleading squad from the wrong side of the tracks.

After getting busted they make their own routine for the tournament only to finish second to the public school team they had previously stolen their routines from.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
65. I can golf. There is no way in hell I could cheerlead.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:02 PM
Apr 2012

It is way, way harder. (But I think golf is a sport.)

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
34. I think it's athletic, but even when called "acro," I dunno if it's a sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

Just like I have a hard time with the idea of dancing as a "sport" even when there are competitions.

And, I think as an outgrowth of cheering at games, it's hindered... Maybe the skills in acro/cheer could be rolled into gymnastics somehow...??

Stinky The Clown

(67,807 posts)
49. Why do you see it that way?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

I asked the same sort of question to someone upthread who did not think it was a sport. You hold the direct opposite view. Why do you see it as a sport? (not arguing - trying to have a discussion and learn)

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
61. It's gymnastics and gymnastics is a sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:44 PM
Apr 2012

I don't even see why people feel the need to argue that it isn't a sport. And I suspect the same people would say that golf, bowling, darts, and cards are sports.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
62. There's a ton of supposition going on in this thread
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:48 PM
Apr 2012

It's kind of fun to watch

Edited to change projection to supposition

GoCubsGo

(32,085 posts)
37. It depends.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:51 PM
Apr 2012

Are they just yelling and jumping up and down, waving pom poms? Then, no, I don't consider it a sport.

Are they tumbling and building pyramids, and tossing each other in the air, doing flips and spins. Then, I would consider that a sport. The kids who do cheerleading of the sort one sees in the move "Bring It On" are just as much athletes as the ones whom they are cheering. If not more so.

Spike89

(1,569 posts)
44. Can be, but I have a more restrictive definition
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:05 PM
Apr 2012

Without a doubt, judged cheerleading competitions are technically sports, just like diving, ice skating, gymastics, synchronized swimming, dance, etc. I personally believe the people engaging in these events are athletes, but they aren't engaging in a sport. Ironically, poker is a sport in my definition, but you need not be an athlete to excel in it.
To me, a sport is a game with clearly defined goals. Put the ball/puck object in the right place, run, swim, fastest or farthest, take the chips, or do something concrete (pin your opponent's shoulders to a mat). The non-sports (IMO) are judged and often aren't even synchronous (each athlete's routine may be different).
It isn't a big deal to me, I don't care if cheerleaders, dancers, etc. want to call their activity a sport or not--I do think the term athlete is much more useful, appropriate, and easier to determine.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
104. What of beer pong, bridge, and chutes and ladders?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Apr 2012

I understand the distinction between those events that rely solely on judging and those that don't (or at least don't as much). I don't personally agree with the definition, but I get the approach. It makes less sense to me, though, without some distinction between those that require physical exertion (sports) and those that don't (games).

Spike89

(1,569 posts)
124. Inherently a muddy mess anyway you choose
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:37 PM
Apr 2012

There are lots of things that require physical exertion that are not sports (ballet, sex, climbing the stairs, mowing the lawn). And some widely acknowledged "sports" that don't require much exertion at all (auto racing, bobsledding, target shooting). I have absolutely no problem saying someone it an athlete even if they've never played a sport. Any serious dancer must be tremendously athletic.
My only issue is that judged events are not really games in that they can't be fair when picking a winner. How do you say the person doing a double flip perfectly is better or worse than the competitor that wobbles a bit when doing a much more difficult twisting triple jump? Why do figure skating commentators even discuss the pros and cons (outside of comfort/flexibility) of skaters outfits or the musical choices?
The second fastest person in a race doesn't ever win because the judge from Russia really liked their shoes. No basketball player gets an extra point for a fancy shot.
But, when it gets right down to it, I don't think it matters. If some one says they play sports and they mean they sit on the couch and use a joystick to frag "enemies" in an Unreal tournament...good for them.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
46. I do too. I also think dancing like ballet that takes years of training
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:13 PM
Apr 2012

is also a sport because of the athleticism required to be good at it. It is no different than figure skating, which is considered to be a sport.

Bladian

(475 posts)
51. If people will agree to call marching band a sport, then sure.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:27 PM
Apr 2012

But having been in band for four years in high school and seeing the shit band kids put up with (it's not a sport, it's not hard at all!) I have little sympathy for cheerleaders, who often were the ones making fun of us.

Bladian

(475 posts)
89. Funny, I don't recall saying cheerleading wasn't hard.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:12 PM
Apr 2012

No, pretty sure I didn't. I just would prefer that people call marching band what it is.

Bladian

(475 posts)
91. And this is exactly what I was talking about.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:25 PM
Apr 2012

Apparently cheerleaders are better than people in marching band. That's how you're acting.

Bladian

(475 posts)
94. They are.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:43 PM
Apr 2012

But I've been saying this whole time that I would like it to be labeled a sport. And instead of bothering to pay attention to that, since you apparently have some stuck-up attitude, you say "haha they're a band that marches silly." Way to take something seriously.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
95. I broke several bones while cheerleading and training. Not to mention the torn tendons and ligaments
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:48 PM
Apr 2012

What type of injuries did you sustain while training?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
88. Yes, they are as they require a degree of skill and tactics.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 04:18 PM
Apr 2012

I was a dart player at one time. I competed in championships. I was pretty good at it. Of course, arthritis claimed my throwing arm in my old age and I can't throw as well anymore. I don't find it any different than skeet shooting or archery, which are treated as sports in the Olympics.

BeeBee

(1,074 posts)
55. There are different types of cheerleading.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:36 PM
Apr 2012

The cheering on the sideline of a game is different than competitive cheerleading which most definitely is a sport.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
58. Since professional "sports" are entertainment and cheerleaders are entertainers...
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:45 PM
Apr 2012

who just wear a different uniform, it must qualify as a sport.

bpj62

(999 posts)
60. Cheerleading is a Sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
Apr 2012

The problem is the high schools and colleges will not list it as a sport because of the title X requirements. My daughter is a cheerleader at a club level and the routines require a certain amount of athleticism. Golf is also a sport. The rules of golf require that you walk the course however many clubs require a cart to speed up the pace of play. If you have never hit a golf ball you will find out just how athletic you have to be in order to do so. Poker is not a sport it is an activity that requires a sharp mental accuity but not any athletic prowness.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
69. Not a sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:07 PM
Apr 2012

It's a competitive and athletic activity, but it isn't a sport. I can't think of any other sport that adults can't/don't pursue. (I know there are professional cheerleaders, but they only exist as adjuncts to other teams, not as separate entities.) When the AAU has a Seniors Cheerleading competition I will revise my views.

(I have no doubt somebody will make me aware of a senior citizen cheerleading league momentarily. )

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
70. It's like gymnastics or womens basketball. Just something to keep the girls occupied while the men
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:08 PM
Apr 2012

do the real sports.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
84. Roll your eyes at your own self for putting words in my mouth.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:41 PM
Apr 2012

Your analogies are poor. Gymnastics is debatable, as I also have a problem with judged events, or "contests". Women do have their own professional league in basketball, and if they don't play much in adult amateur leagues it's due to a lack of interest on their part only.

As long as cheerleadings' first criteria of ability remains physical appearance and not athletic ability, it will remain an activity and not a sport. And that is an issue women have to police on their own - I don't think men are recruiting and selecting cheerleaders to any significant extent.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
85. "As long as cheerleadings' first criteria of ability remains physical appearance and not athletic
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
Apr 2012

ability"

Link to that assertion?

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
74. Modern day cheerleading certainly is!
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 03:14 PM
Apr 2012

Wow, I'm amazed at the feats cheerleaders perform!

Some people who say cheerleading isn't a sport call golf and bowling sports. I'd call them activities, and barely that when golf carts are involved.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
93. No, it's cheering for the people playing the sports.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:31 PM
Apr 2012

Building human pyramids and doing choreographed dancing is not a sport.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
96. I think it's become more athletic over the years
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:49 PM
Apr 2012

More complex moves and it seems pretty competitive so I would say it's a sport.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
98. Depends on how we define "sport".
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:09 PM
Apr 2012

So forget cheerleading for a minute. Let's just try to define the characteristics of a sport.

1) A sport usually includes an athletic component. Usually a rigorous athletic component.
2) A sport is usually a competition.
3) Many sports require the rival individuals or teams, to play offense and defense.
4) Many sports require direct physical interaction between the rivals.
5) Many sports include very specific and objective ways to score points.

So this is just an example list, but without some list of characteristics, hot dog eating becomes a sport.

Also, once you define the characteristics, you could also determine categories. So for instance, perhaps not all athletic competitions are sports. They are simply "athletic competitions".

I think items 1 and 2 in my list are required elements for a sport. And I think that items 3-5 can increase our confidence that some activity is a sport.

And an activity like bowling ends up on the edge. It has 1, but not in a very rigorous form. It has 2, does not have 3 or 4, but does have 5.

Cheerleading has 1 and 2, but not really 3-5. So, using my 5 items above, it might not pass the test.

But that's the point. You need a list of criterion to work from, and that list should work beyond cheerleading.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
103. How do you play defense in cheerleeding?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:31 PM
Apr 2012

Can you send your team out and block the other team in some way?

And as for #5, when I say "objective" I mean that anyone can tell when points are scored. The ball goes through the basket, into the end zone, into the net ...

I will grant that in some sports, it's more complex. In bowling, lots of folks don't know how a spare or a strike increases your score. But it is easy to explain.

Scoring in Cheerleading is not as objective.

Regardless ... my main point was not that specific list, but the need for a common list before you can actually answer the question. If you don't have a clear definition, then all you have is opinion, and eating hot dogs, poker, and American Idol, are all sports.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
106. Webster's Dictionary says, yes, it's a sport
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Apr 2012

sport
noun
1
a : a source of diversion : recreation b : sexual play c (1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sport?show=1&t=1334619903


mzteris

(16,232 posts)
109. No.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 08:32 PM
Apr 2012

Gymnastics is a sport. If they want to be gymnasts, then be gymnasts.

Wiggling your butt in a too short skirt with a midriff top and too much makeup is NOT a sport. I don't care how many cartwheels you can do.

Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
123. How is it that wiggling your butt causes more injuries than any other sport?
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:47 AM
Apr 2012

Cheerleading Still Most Dangerous Sport

Cheerleading continues to cause more serious and deadly injuries by far than other sports, despite the fact that safety efforts have led to modest reductions in the number of serious injuries in recent years.


However, until recently, records about such injuries were poorly kept. An updated to the record-keeping system last year found that between 1982 and 2007 there were 103 fatal, disabling or serious injuries recorded among female high school athletes, with the vast majority, 67, occurring in cheerleading. The next most dangerous sports were gymnastics, with nine such injuries and track, with seven injuries.

more:

http://www.kidsdr.com/your-teen/new-cheerleading-still-most-dangerous-sport

varelse

(4,062 posts)
111. You have to be pretty damned athletic to do it
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:14 PM
Apr 2012

it's also highly competitive. I still have a hard time thinking of it as a sport, but it does meet most of the criteria.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
112. Being physical in nature... if cheerleaders perform in a competiton then it's a sport.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:29 PM
Apr 2012

When cheering competitively against other squads, of course it is a sport. On the flipside... cheering strictly for school spirit or at other events is merely an activity.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
117. Depends on the coaches, but its definitely a sport at my kid's school
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:44 AM
Apr 2012

...they train as hard as the athletic teams, they compete regionally, and they take it very seriously.

Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
121. It's the most dangerous sport there is. More injuries in cheerleading than any other sport
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:31 AM
Apr 2012

No doubt about it, cheerleading competitions are a sport and a very, very dangerous sport.

http://www.kidsdr.com/your-teen/new-cheerleading-still-most-dangerous-sport

Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
122. Cheer competitions fall 100% under the definition of "Sport"
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:42 AM
Apr 2012


sport/spôrt/
Noun:
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

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