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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/21/3000-flock-bill-clinton-alison-grimes-mcconnell-rally-draws-crickets.html3,000 Flock To See Bill Clinton and Alison Grimes While McConnell Rally Draws Crickets
By: Jason Easley
Tuesday, October, 21st, 2014, 8:38 pm
Momentum is definitely not on the side of Mitch McConnell. While Alison Lundergan Grimes and Bill Clinton drew a crowd of 3,000, the majority of attendees at Mitch McConnells rally were campaign staffers.
It was a tale of two tweets.
The Grimes rally in Owensboro, KY:
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Local fire chief says 3,000 on hand for the Grimes/Bill Clinton rally in Owensboro
4:41 PM - 21 Oct 2014
This was the scene at McConnells rally:
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Smaller turnout, more "staffer volunteers" at mcConnell stop in Louisa
4:59 PM - 21 Oct 2014
McConnells struggles to draw a crowd are nothing new. It is why the Republican Party is bribing people to pretend to support McConnell during his bus tour.
The Hill reported,
Senator McConnell is seeking volunteers to join him on a 3-day campaign bus tour around the state on October 20-22 to show our support for Kentucky coal. You would join local supporters in contributing to an enthusiastic atmosphere at each of his events, she wrote.
The mainstream media are saying that Grimes is the candidate who is running a bad campaign, but she isnt the candidate who has to pay people to be her friend. Anytime a campaign has to start busing in and paying supporters to be there, it is a sign of a campaign that lacks support.
It is even worse, when a campaign has to bribe the supporters to show up. Alison Grimes is attracting thousands of people to her rallies while Mitch McConnell crowds are made up of people on his payroll.
This contrast makes it easy to spot who is running a bad campaign and heres a hint for the mainstream press. It isnt Alison Lundergan Grimes.
JI7
(89,264 posts)MontyPow
(285 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... aren't legitimately Democrats.
There are many Republicans here on DU. They're usually scolding classic Democrats for expecting the Democratic Party to run Democratic candidates. These Republicans support other Republicans in Democratic clothing like Charlie Crist, or the late Arlen Spector.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... and some of them are so transparent as to what they really are - know what I mean?
I'll bet you thought I voted for McCain when I actually voted for Obama. And you thought I voted for Romney when I actually voted or Jill Stein. And you think I'll vote for the next Repuke when I'll actually vote for Bernie Sanders.
What I do know about you, is that you'll vote for anyone with a D next to their name, regardless of policy.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)Quite frankly, I wasn't the least bit interested in thinking anything about you at all. So the "I bet you thought" point is rendered moot.
And I will vote for anyone with a "D" next to their name. The alternative is an "R" - not even an option - or a third party, which is a waste of a vote.
MontyPow
(285 posts)So your "D" vote can very easily be a wasted vote. My votes never are.
I hope this renders you mute.
NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... for the candidate who, despite their policies, has no chance of winning.
That's not rocket science - that's common sense.
And rendering me "mute" is something that ain't never going to happen.
davidsilver
(87 posts)legitimate Democrat?
Stallion
(6,476 posts)nm
annabanana
(52,791 posts)S.O.P. for this crowd
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Some of us may not like everything about her but country is better off with her winning.So will KT.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He's got "it".....whatever "it" is.....
babylonsister
(171,090 posts)Dem, speaker and charismatic; that's it. I hardly swoon, but have at it!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)babylonsister
(171,090 posts)I'm not a swooner. His intelligence would be more likely to make me swoon.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)because I saw it with my own eyes...I didn't say it to mean every single woman in the world! Brad Pitt is not every single woman in the world's dreamboat either.....Bill Clinton is not even all that physically beautiful....yet he has that certain something that the ladies seem to respond to. You read about it all the time....
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)When he came to my city.
This was before anybody really knew who he was.
He had a media circus around him, boom mikes, big cameras and all that.
He was making a speech, but he could have been reading the phone book and he had more charisma than anyone I have ever seen.
He had as much charisma as real rock stars like Sting. I'm using him as an example because I saw The Police perform live in a basketball arena.
All I could do was stand there like an idiot and babble quietly and say "God he's good looking". My brain was putting out a dial tone. I couldn't think.
I also went to a private fundraiser in 1992 where Hillary spoke for over an hour with no notes, and I stood there and videotaped it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)She's ambitious and he is charismatic...
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Bill Clinton has a charisma that impacts not just the ladies. When I got to see Bill in person, the men were just as ready to march out of that room and do whatever it was he asked and they did. Every person in that room went out and worked their tails off for Hillary. Bill campaigned hard in Ohio when Hillary was campaigning in the primary in 2008 and Ohio went big time for Hillary in the primary.
Hillary is an amazing speaker. She is very charismatic in person as well. I found her voice and delivery to be imspiring and pleasing at the same time. At the event, I got into a conversation with one of the sound guys. I commented that HRC sounded very different in person. He said that the replays of audio recording are usually altered and women's voices are often messed with to make them less pleasing on replay. (I have read that that was done to Howard Dean's scream, to make him sound terrible.) He said it was common for that to happen in the media and, as a sound technician he knew all the tricks. He was not a Hillary campaigner, he was just hired to do a job, as he said he was voting for the other guy.
One of the things I noticed is that HRC is very genuine and caring to the people around her. She took particular notice of the children of the campaign volunteers who were at the event and spent extra time with the kids and treated them like they were the most important people in the room. Her campaign staff tried to pull her away from the kids and she would have none of it. She took the time to spend with the least powerful people there. She would make a great president. After seeing her in person, I understand why the elites are working at a fever pitch throwing every slur at her they can. The elites are in terror of her because she will act for the good of the American people. It is a shame people did not bother to read her platform when she ran the last time. It was far better than Obama's. I can no longer access a copy of her platform. Sure wish I had printed out the whole thing in 2008.
Obama is a good speaker, but he does not have whatever it is that Bill Clinton has. Obama is a really good speaker and is impressive in his own way.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Not a chance. I gravitate to people that I admire and respect.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)It was a great honor to hear Obama speak in person. He gives a good speech, but he does not have that quality that Bill Clinton has. Bill Clinton used his talent for far more good than bad. The speech Bill gave at the 2012 Democratic National Convention for Obama was the greatest speech given in decades. Bill turned the tide for us in that election.
You can throw all the slurs you want at Bill, but he won the White House for the Democratic Party for 8 years and appointed good judges to the Supreme Court and the lower courts and he helped Obama win a second term. There is not a politician ever that is a saint and they all do political favors or end up forced into actions that are wrong, including Jack Kennedy and FDR(neither of whom were faithful to their wives). Obama has done some really horrible things as president and he is still heads and shoulders above and far better for the American people than any of the GOP choices. Really, Obama is no babe in the woods. He is as crafty and cunning as any politician out there. The biggest problem was obvious early on in his primary run in the people he had around him. Rahm Emmanuel and Larry Summers were big warning signs about the direction he was headed.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Subjective stuff. I find Bill unattractive in a lot of ways but I know tastes vary! have fun.
He was speaking at the democratic convention - you mean he convinced 5 million (I think that is what the margin was Obama won by) people to vote for Obama that otherwise wouldn't have? Were Repuglicans convinced to switch over or he got 5 million democrats to get off the couch and vote. I don't understand, please explain because this sounds like another 'Obama owes the Clintons' line that is stupid. Obama owes the Clintons Fuck All.
Oh, what 'horrible' things has Obama done (while Bill is such a wonderman of goodness?) lol. nevermind, you don't have to answer.
Crafty, cunning... un huh.
JI7
(89,264 posts)charismatic and intelligent. but never was into him in "swooning" type of way.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Treant
(1,968 posts)I mean, a man who could, at one time, answer the question, "You and what army?" with an actual army.
I'd tap that.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)some barf. I can't see what the supposedly attraction to that guy is. At all. Nothing.
MontyPow
(285 posts)msongs
(67,441 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)How many undecideds or McConnell-leaning votes do you think Grimes would pick up if she came out in Kentucky as foursquare behind President Obama? I don't know the Kentucky electorate (perhaps you do), but my sense is that former Kentucky Secretary of State Grimes knows what she's doing and she has made the political calculation that focusing on her campaign and her issues is the path to victory, without appearing too close to the candidate who didn't win even 40% of the statewide vote in 2012.
MontyPow
(285 posts)be a Democrat, and embrace the ACA.
Oh, wait. That's Kentucky's governor.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)So you don't want to answer the question, instead substituting a non sequitur. Thanks for playing and tune in again for another episode of "Oh, So That's Your Agenda." Good night, everybody!
MontyPow
(285 posts)But I'll take a stab at it. We don't know how many votes she would garner because she didn't do it.
As for agendas, yes, I have one. So do you. So does anyone who offers up opinion an argument.
But I like how easily people here allow Democratic candidates to abandon the President but should DUers abandon the President, well that's a whole other thing.
But I enjoyed playing "So that's your agenda".
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You seem to be riding a particular hobbyhorse. I pointed out that Grimes, former Secretary of State (the person who oversees statewide elections), might have some insights and expertise on the makeup of the Kentucky electorate. I know that I don't, and it's apparent that you don't, either.
However, instead of admitting that you don't know what you're talking about, you prefer to make serial posts, criticizing Grimes for not running in lockstep with President Obama. I pointed out that Obama didn't poll even 40% of the vote in Kentucky a mere two years ago, a fact you avoided like a coughing ebola patient. When I asked you how many votes you think Grimes would pick up in Kentucky that she doesn't already have, you threw out a non sequitur about the governor's race.
Now you finally admit that you don't know how many Kentucky voters Grimes would pick up if she were to feature President Obama more prominently in her campaign, but you have to temper your ignorance with another criticism of Grimes' campaign that sounds like it has the same factual basis as your prior criticism, which is to say none. I submit that Grimes would pick up very few votes she doesn't already have if she were to feature President Obama, and in fact would lose more undecided and leaning voters than she could hope to pick up. I think Grimes knows the electorate in Kentucky pretty well, certainly better than me, and apparently better than you.
Do you have any basis for your criticism other than seeing Grimes lose voters in a race that has been polling very tightly? That's the agenda I alluded to earlier.
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NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)well thought-out post.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)A lot of people don't understand how badly we need Dems to win in conservative states, not just the more progressive states. Change is a slow and tedious process which is just beginning to show it's face in Kentucky.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)Warn people before you post Duzy's like that.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)GOTV2014!
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Grimes still has an uphill battle to win in a mostly red state like Kentucky. I hope she pulls it off.
MontyPow
(285 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)MontyPow
(285 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,144 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)What a worthless, cowardly sack of human waste. To even consider that he might be re-elected makes my head spin. Are the good people of Kentucky that fookin' stupid?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Alison has traveled all over the state and met tens of thousands of Kentuckians from every walk of life. They like her. There is enthusiasm in her campaign. I think there may be a similar enthusiasm in the Georgia and Wisconsin races also. Alison's supporters are ready to fight for her...I mean really fight...I mean physical fisticuffs.
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Northern New York and pick me up? I would expect to be dropped of at the same location after the trip was over.
Wait a minute, ride with Mitch McConnell? I thought it said trip with Mitch Ryder! Love me some Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels!
bullwinkle428
(20,630 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)(not to be confused with Buddy Holly and his mates)
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)3rdwaydem
(277 posts)We need to focus our resources in Kansas. If we can pick off that seat, the Republicans will be unlikely able to gain the Senate. Although it's an "independent" he will almost certainly caucus with the Democrats. They are even in the polls.
Kansas is the way to block the GOP from controlling the Senate.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)3rdwaydem
(277 posts)Put a fork in Grimes - she's done. Kansas is the battleground for we Democrats to retain the Senate.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine we all like to pretend we "know how it is..." Often allows us to feel a wee bit more clever about ourselves than we in fact, are.
3rdwaydem
(277 posts)I'll follow up with you on this thread after election night, right around the corner, and we will see who is acting more clever than they are. So, I'll post to this thread and your comment on election night and I can only pray that Kansas is a take away from the GOP so we Democrats hold the Senate.
I'm into accomplishing things and not pipe dreams. I will remind you of all of the on election night and then you might appreciate just how flawed your position is.
My money has gone to Kansas and Georgia - Michelle Nunn might pull it out. Unfortunately, Grimes is a right off no matter how many come out to see Bill Clinton with her.
George II
(67,782 posts)....he spoke for about 50 minutes solid without a single page of notes, just off the top of his head, and he was BRILLIANT! I could have listened to him for a couple of more hours.
He attracts big crowds where ever he goes, he's now the "elder statesman" of the Democratic Party.
3rdwaydem
(277 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Yeah, a real prince
George II
(67,782 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
George II
(67,782 posts)Deregulation of the 1980s and 1990s
Legislation passed by the federal government during the 1980s, such as the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 and the GarnSt. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982, reduced the distinctions between banks and other financial institutions in the United States. This legislation is frequently referred to as "deregulation," and it is often blamed for the failure of over 500 savings and loan associations between 1980 and 1988, and the subsequent failure of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC) whose obligations were assumed by the FDIC in 1989. However, some critics of this viewpoint[who?], particularly libertarians, have pointed-out that the federal government's attempts at deregulation granted easy credit to federally insured financial institutions, encouraging them to overextend themselves and (thus) fail.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)wiki
Combine the change in media with Glass Staegal and you got the message, loud and clear. Make funny money for Wall Street with derivatives and have a media that plays dumb about it.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Starting to look like you just do not like anyone who is a member of the Democratic Party. Those are good gish gallop talking points you have been using in this thread.
We need to get out the vote this November for Alison and every other Democrat running this year. We need to stop backstabbing fellow Democrats and start to reverse some of the damage inflicted on the American people by the GOP and the Koch brothers.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)I love her. And it is sounding more so that she is considering running.
Those debates will be lovely and exciting. Warren, Clinton, maybe Sanders and the half dozen or so others. Can't Wait!
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)... by somebody who's posted the same debunked article about an Obama appearance twice. Plus Chuck Toad.
Seriously, this is good news. Thanks for posting it, babs.
libodem
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MaeScott
(878 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)How long are crickets going to continue voting against their interests?
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)A free night in Motel 6 apparently didn't attract enough enthusiasts.
-- Mal
dinger130
(199 posts)but Owensboro is a much larger town than Louisa.
Louisa is in the mountains and coal country. Owensboro is in western Kentucky and is a more heavily populated region.
I know all about Louisa. My ancestor traded the town of Louisa for a gunstock back in the 1800s.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)The corporate media is full of s***. Go Vote!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)That would imply that the GOP had a... conscience.
EEO
(1,620 posts)It would have a lot more energy and drive to get what it wants and be above corruption, anyway. Not the strongest endorsement for Grimes, but whatever.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Tell it like it is Alison. The GOP will just think its Hell.
"During a rally in Kentucky will Bill Clinton, Democratic Senate candidate Alison Lundergan Grimes said, Kentucky is ready for a senator thats an independent thinker that can put the partisanship aside and actually fight for the people for this state. One that wont be bullied by Mitch McConnell or Chuck Todd. We can do this Kentucky. "
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/22/alison-lundergan-grimes-punches-bullied-chuck-todd.html
Wish I lived in Kentucky, so I could vote for her.