"Routine pedestrian stop"

[Recursion]

What the hell does that even mean? Not to mention that it was an off duty peace officer.

[Adrahil]

1. Dude was black... that obviously needed checking out. NT

[bvf]

14. Excellent distillation of the whole problem. n/t.

[gollygee]

2. I wondered that too

I've never heard of pedestrians being routinely stopped. Why are pedestrians routinely stopped? That is nothing I've ever heard except as a reason why the police initiated contact with someone who ended up getting shot.

[yellowcanine]

9. I have. Happened all the time in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

"Papers please!"

[jwirr]

40. And we scream bloody murder when they had to have IDs. Now that it is here we do not remember

the good old days.

[Bandit]

42. Ever heard of stop and frisk?

That is for pedestrians every bit as much as drivers..

[gollygee]

43. Yeah but that is very controversial, and are done by on-duty police

rather than people being paid to be security guards, and the articles about this latest shooting seem to act like it's normal and not part of any "stop and frisk" policy.

[Sunlei]

3. police 'perma-kettle' some areas & neighborhoods across America.

[Recursion]

7. Yeah, I lived in both B'more and DC in the 90's

I'm well familiar with it, sadly...

[KamaAina]

59. What is "perma-kettle"?

I can well imagine, but what exactly? And where did the term come from?

[Sunlei]

70. 'perma-kettle'

Kettling (also known as containment or corralling)[1] is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area. Protesters are left only one choice of exit controlled by the police – or are completely prevented from leaving, with the effect of denying the protesters access to food, water and toilet facilities for an arbitrary period determined by the police forces. from wiki definition

'perma-kettle' when police 24/7 watch a neighborhood constantly for any chance to harass, arrest, look in their pockets, search the cars, seize cash, check 'papers', issue tickets & generally nag at- all the people who live there.

The term came from me. Seems to me the police in some cities "perma-kettle" some areas. That behavior needs to be declared unconstitutional by the Feds.

Because the state gov. does nothing to stop their police.

[MindPilot]

4. Right up there with "failure to aid a officer"

Cops are literally making up the rules as they go.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. "peace" officer

It has to become more painful for the police to shoot than not shoot. It's that simple. Through endless protests and municipal payouts and reputation and social opprobrium, it must become more painful for the police to shoot than not shoot. Only then will they stop killing civilians and particularly people of color at the remarkable and despicable rate that they're doing so.

"Feared for your life?" Fear more for what happens if you DO shoot. Your municipality trains police to shoot first? Get out your checkbook, citizens.

There will not be justice in individual cases until that general sentiment prevails as well. They have to really, really hurt for shooting. They have to be made to pay.

[Recursion]

6. I'm with you there

Though I'm one of those crazy "citizens should be armed, too" people.

[Rose Siding]

13. How would that have helped in this situation?

[Recursion]

15. In this one it would have made it worse

That's more of a long-term idea.

[hedgehog]

17. I have been wondering how many "peace" officers are killed while on duty,

and how many civilians they kill. Setting aside the relatively rare armed criminal, I suspect that the civilian count is far higher. I'd like to know specifically how many mentally ill people were killed, and how many people died because they were stopped at random .

[HereSince1628]

21. 105 cops killed in 2013 roughly 500 people are killed per year by cops

The mentally ill number would have to be extracted from the detailed list of killings in the wiki project that tracks police killings

[Recursion]

23. How many deep-sea fishermen per capita are killed every year?

Now that is a dangerous job...

[HereSince1628]

29. CDC says 46 per year a rate of 124/100,000

[Recursion]

32. I think that's all fisherman: riverine, brownwater, and deep-sea (nt)

[HereSince1628]

34. It's for commercial fishing...it's mostly salt water

"Species that contributed the most to this revenue include shrimp, Pacific salmon, pollock and lobster."

[Gormy Cuss]

37. "Line of duty" deaths are defined very broadly. Only 33 of those were firearms-related.

Most line-of-duty deaths are in traffic-related incidents.

[HereSince1628]

39. True.

[bvf]

18. Sad to think that

"get out your checkbook, citizens" is what it should take, as if further economic pressure on an already stressed citizenry were a route to racial equality.

Going after offenders' personal assets would make these "peace" officers think twice a hell of a lot sooner.

But yes--it has to hurt. Well said.

[The Blue Flower]

22. Absolutely agree

We citizens should also insist on setting up citizen review boards in our communities. I'm sick of police reviewing themselves and finding nothing wrong.

[Scuba]

41. Police misconduct settlements should come out of the police pension fund. Then they'd ...

... start policing each other.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Communities, and especially majority white communities, support this nonsense

They need to feel it, too.

[KamaAina]

58. "peace officer" is increasingly an oxymoron

"The policeman is not there to create disorder, the policeman is there to preserve disorder." -Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley at the 1968 Democratic convention

[uponit7771]

63. +1

[malaise]

8. Living while black

means driving, walking, riding, breathing or even sitting in a chair at home.

[dembotoz]

10. did not signal a turn

[JustAnotherGen]

11. Regarding this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025641941

[Recursion]

12. Yeah (nt)

[thesquanderer]

20. Thanks. Had no idea what the OP was about!

Seems like it should have just been a reply to that thread. Unless there have been numerous citations of such a thing?

[msanthrope]

16. Because he was Black.

[yesiwasacop]

19. I have never heard of a "pedestrian stop," but it is probably

their agencies way of an officer telling dispatch they are out with a pedestrian for whatever reason.

For instance, if we were looking for somebody who shoplifted at walgreens and left on foot and happen to see a dude walking down the street matching their description. We would call dispatch and tell them, " (call sign) I will be out with a pedestrian at (state location) matching suspect description."

I could also do the same thing while investigating a case from a couple days ago and I see a very "In the know" person walking down the street who I want to ask if they saw anything reference the case. That also would be handled just about the same way except mention of "matching suspect description."

I imagine it is just their radio terminology for that kind of stop. Usually that stuff is done because they are looking for someone or the activity itself is suspicious.

[onethatcares]

25. sadly

that "suspicious" activity too often turns into stop and frisk, give me your papers, what are you doing here boy, and has nothing to do with a crime being committed beforehand.

[GummyBearz]

79. yep

Yea, happened to me and a few friends once back in college. Apparently there was a hit and run in the area, and cop sits us on the pavement and interrogates us for 45min. All of us had been in my friends house all day, which we said. He thought asking everyone for ID's was more relevant than searching for the white explorer with a smashed up front.

And just to get the race stuff out of the way, I am white, the friends are all asian, the cop was asian

[bravenak]

36. He was off duty.

Are off duty officers still allowed to do Pedestrian checks on anyone they please? So, if I'm at the movies, an off duty cop can try to search me, and If I say no, he can pull out his gun? He better hope I'm alone if that ever happns. And why do cops do 90% of their pedestrin checks on black people?? So what if a black person has a gun? They are legal. I have two. But I'm black so.... If I ver get caught with a legal gun I purchase, a cop can just shoot me, because 'fear'. One day, people will just start shooting cops, if they move too fast, get too aggressive, or they will decide to get justic for their soain family by sniping cops for justice. Then what? What can we say? We cannot pretend that people have no reason to fear getting pumped full of lead by jumpy cops. Cops are endangering all of us an themslves. I just keep waiting to hear that police officers are being randomly murdered. To prevent that, cops need to chill the fuck out and stop shooting as a first resort.

A million lawsuits is what we need to get cities to start getting rid of evil cops. I feel safer around gangs. At least I know what to expect from them and tgey can be reasoned with.

[edgineered]

46. I share your feelings bravenak.

Can't believe you put the writing on the wall into print.

It is the inevitable outcome of this madness.

[bravenak]

47. I just don't see why they don't see it.

How can they expect any assistance from the community in the even that an officer IS killed on duty? Even if there are a hundred witnesses, no one will have seen anything. Funny thing, I think that's what they are pushing for. A way to make it look like the community is violent and cops have a reason to kill black men. Somebody is going to start Tupacing cops.

[edgineered]

49. Having not always been as relaxed as now,

there was a time I would fight - a lot. I grew up small and was constantly picked on. As a freshman in high school I weighed less than 80 lbs. As a junior I was 140 lbs, faster than a cat, and strong as hell. And I declared war on the bullies. Every time I saw a bully in action I would jump in. This continued for a long time. I'll bet that I've been in a hundred fights. Sure, sometimes I got whopped, but not often.

Maybe the most important thing I learned during that time was when to stop. When to know the opponent was done fighting. When to put my fists down and walk away. Because beating someone when both you and he know that he is beat has bad results. That person will hold a grudge if beaten too much. He might go get a gun. That's happened. He might vandalize the apartment or car. That's happened. He might hide around a dark corner with an axe handle. That's happened too. And more.

This f'ing country needs to learn this lesson. And not only with poc, not only with women, and not only with our foreign relations. We need to learn this in the businesses, the banking, public meetings, and especially our attitudes.

There's a bad moon on the rise, yet the solution is simple.

[bravenak]

50. "There's a bad moon on the rise" yes, indeed.

I think the bullies of today underestimate the rest of us. They think revolutionary things only happen in the past or other countries. They forget how this all began over here, while proclaiming their love of the constitution and founding fathers. They know that one day something will happen to knock their kind off of their comfy perches, but the are sure it will not happen to them. They always go too far. One day they'll shoot the wrong fucking kid. And then everyones eyes will open and we will dispose of them and put them where they have put so many other folks.

[edgineered]

51. Silence is misunderstood

silence is underestimated. When an entire national community shares a single feeling no leader has to go on tv and speak it. It exists. It is alive and becoming stronger. We should speak no more of this. We've said what it is without fear, and we don't need anyone knocking on the door.

[bravenak]

52. Gotcha!!

Thanks.

[yesiwasacop]

53. Who said he was doing the check on anyone he wanted too?

Part working a security job is to "provide security."

If you are working an off-duty job, your responsibility is to do what you are paid to do. I dont know what his particular job was, but it seems as if a neighborhood association or community org has him doing night patrol. If that is the case and these guys are in his are of responsibility AND he has a reason to check on them- then he can.

Again- dont know what his job was and what the parameters are. Time will tell.

Most off-duty police jobs involve wearing of the uniform. Back in the day, the cops would wear whatever they wanted, get into some kind of mess and next thing you know the dept is getting sued because the cop did something he was taught to do by the police, therefore no it is their fault and so goes the lawsuit.

Fast-forward, police agencies got tired of getting sued for stuff off-duty cops were doing so they said hey you guys cant do those jobs anymore. The private businesses then had to use security guards who prevented nothing and ended up getting into even bigger messes. In fact where I live, we have had a few killings over the years of security guard vs whoever.

businesses got tired of that and wanted the police to do extra patrol at their area because little shitheads are always breaking into stuff or vandalizing things. So the police said, fine, you can hire our folks at X $$ per hour and you get your cop. He has to wear a uniform and abide by our rules, not yours.

Anyway- that is pretty much how it works. I did off- duty years ago at a few bars and construction sites, but it def wasnt worth the money. I got into more crap on those jobs than on regular duty. Pretty much because you are usually alone. People are more likely to assault police if they know no one is coming to help them AND they think they can subsequently get away with it.

[bravenak]

54. Why do cops only do these routine stops on black people most of the time?

What are we? Like 13 percent of the population? Why are these tactics only used in black neighborhoods? Why? Why? Why? Why are cops always jacking black men up against the walls in their own neighborhoods?

I have been stop and frisked nearly a dozen times. None of the white people I know have EVER been stop and frisked. I have been frisked with a white homegirl standing there with the weed in her bra and she never got searched. Why are cops so quick to manhandle and stop and search black people?
This is reminiscent of the plantation days.

[yesiwasacop]

60. How do you know it is only blacks who are stopped?

I'm white, I have been stopped three times in my truck in the area. I live in an area with trailers galore and meth all over. Guess what- everyone here on this side of town is white or hispanic. Every time it has been for some super minor traffic violation that we all make.

I dont yell at them, I dont run, I dont fight them, I dont whip out a camera and try to play mr lawyer with them. I cooperate and am gone in a couple minutes- only once with a ticket in hand. I recall seeing a chris rock video re how not to get your ass kicked by the police. While he directed that at blacks, I think it is good advice for all races. Look it up.

I worked this area for a while and everyone I stopped and arrested were white.

The vast majority of my career was in a mostly hispanic area- virtually everyone I stopped was hispanic. Was it because they were hispanic? No it was because I had a variety of reasons. Mostly was gang related because they couldnt stop slaughtering each other. Additionally, virtually no whites lived in the area so the odds of stopping a white even if you wanted to was slim to none. Maybe where you live is primarily black??? could possibly be the source of your opinion that only black people are stopped by police.

Now are you advocating cops stop women and reach into their bras to check for dope? Yea- now we dont have a race problem, but the cops now cant keep their hands off women's boobs. Good try.

Hey we have booked all kinds of women with crack pipes in their vags that the jail nurse has had to retrieve, you want us to check that too?

Yea that would go over great.

[bravenak]

62. Have you ever been stopped walikng down your own street?

Because that's the kind of profiling i'm talking about, and that is what cops do. They don't actually report every-time they jack a kids against a wall. And why the fuck do cops care so much about a crack fucking pipe that they have to continually harass any and everyone they want to. Fuck your stupid ass drug war. That is also a racist policy directed at controlling and imprisoning the black population.

I live in Anchorage, Alaska. Majority white. There are few blacks in my state. Mostly white and most of them have guns.

Your drug war excuses are just that. Excuses to harass minorities. Whites do most of the drugs and have most of the guns. But blacks and browns are stopped more and searched. If you all searched whites as much as blacks, and actually treated them just as fucked up, the prisons would be full of whites. Cops are racist as fuck. They would never harass a white man standing on his own lawn doing nothing. But they will put a blavk man on the ground and search him. Like we are on a fucking plantation.

[yesiwasacop]

75. No, but driving down it, yes

I have stopped white people waking down this same street before I lived here. All white.

Hey I checked out anchorage stats (see link) looks like the same deal there as anywhere else in the country. Anchorage Alaska has only 5.9% black population in 2010 according to wiki. So what do the police there in Alaska do when you go in your house? You make it sound as if the only people they mess with are black. They sure arrested way more whites than blacks...how could that be???If they dont even harrass them?

http://dps.alaska.gov/statewide/docs/UCR/UCR_2012.pdf

As for prison populations- in 2013 there was a 46% white pop in Alaska prisons....native american 36 and black..9%

http://www.correct.state.ak.us/admin/docs/2013Profile_Final.pdf ppg 13 for easy reference

[bravenak]

76. Here, they harass Native Alaskans.

They put them into Community Service Patrol vans if they suspect them of being intoxicated, even if they are sitting on their own porch. They always suspect them of being intoxicated if they are walking down the street in their own land. They rape them. They let people get away with abusing them. Josh Wade killed a native woman and raped her corpse. He got convicted of tampering with evidence. Then he killed a white nurse. Now he's in jail for life. Your value is based on race out here, and Natives get the raw deal.

Whites are about 70 percent of the population, natives are twenty. There is a discrepancy in there. Natives are looked at like drunks and criminals and many are jealous of them for being a part of native corporations since they get dividends. They make towns dry towns, making alcohol Illegal in towns that are basically native villages, towns with very few whites, then they arrest then for shipping in beer and home brew. Alcohol is legal in white towns.

It's different everywhere, but still the same. Things are illegal if minorities do it.

The CPS never goes around picking up white drunks wandering around after the bars close, but they pick up natives from in front of the very same bars and take them to jail for public intoxication while they wait for their cabs.

[yesiwasacop]

77. bravenak, as much as i enjoy sparring with you I think you had too much of your friend's weed

if you look at your post #54 you tell me all the police do there is harrass blacks...now you are telling me they just harass indians.

You need to make up your mind.

As for alcohol restrictions and such......... Are you are talking about the indian reservations? If so that is the federal gov't not the Anchorage police.

I did look into the dry village thing and found that the residents of the village actually vote to keep the village dry or damp. Seems to me it is a community vote. I think you are listening to too many people who dont know what they are talking about' Shipping in beer and home brew for sale is illegal pretty much in all US states unless you are a licensed distributor. And dont tell me it isnt for sale. No one buys boooze for the whole neighborhood for free. These dry/damp status' is decided by a community vote, not a decision of the police and from what I understand, the native communities almost always vote to be dry because of the rampant alcohol problems.

read the laws for yourself:

http://commerce.alaska.gov/dnn/abc/Resources/DryDampCommunities.aspx

[bravenak]

78. I was speaking of Police in St Louis county. But its a usa thing.

THEY harass black people. So do LAPD. THE APD harasses natives mostly, since they can. But they harass us too. I have had a cop pull me over for a light on my car in the daytime, gun drawn pointed at my head. For a tail light. 3 cop cars, one was a k9. I was wearing a hoodie. He thought i was a man and said so.

I know the laws. What about the csp harassing tgem and arresting them all the time. I will video it for you, it happens everyday.
And do you see the bullshit cop out you just did accusing me of smoking too much weed? Thats some racist cop shit u did. You all always do that shit. Accuse black people of being high if you cannot understand them, instead of askinh for clarification.

The only thing you can take issue with is my interpretation of dry villiages. But call me high so you can pretend that I don't have a point. I live here, you just read a webpage.

I wonder if you cops will ever stop making excuses for the way you treat minorities or will you all go to your graves bloodlusting over your good kills. It takes a control freak to wear a badge these days. A lying control freak.

Weed doesn't make me stupid, dear. I can never be that.

[yesiwasacop]

80. Well how was I supposed to read your mind on that?

you said you live in anchorage.. In case you did not know, anchorage is a few thousand miles from STL so forgive me for just following along with what you are saying.

I suggest in the future you say what you really mean.

And I didnt say you were stupid. Your comments are not based on fact in many cases (prison population, murder rates, dry villages) need I go on?

So now saying someone has had too much of their friends weed is a racist comment?

[bravenak]

81. Why would you assume I had any weed today?

Did you assume that about anyone else? I was not smoking today. But cops think that all blacks smoke everyday or something. Thats why they always stop and frisk us.

My comments are based on facts. You should just ask me to clarify. Like as if I were a real person.

[yesiwasacop]

82. you need to go look for a sense of humor

I did find something interesting for you to read.

Never heard of these before, but they are public perception surveys conducted with the census.

Apparently they ask citizens about their past police contacts and their opinion of the contacts.

It is a good read.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf

[bravenak]

83. I am one of the funniest people on DU.

I just don't find cops accusing my black ass of being high, funny. Especially when I'm being dead ass serious. It's something they do to otherize us. Cops always think it's funny to accuse blacks of being high or something. Cop humor is racist.

I'll wait for a study of what minorities in minority heavy communities think about police encounters there. I'm sure they will get to it soon. I hope they call me. Stop acting copish.

[yesiwasacop]

84. Whatever

you can call names and whatnot as much as you want. I often wonder with attitudes like yours how we will ever fix anything in our society.

[bravenak]

85. Attitudes like mine is exactly how we will fix this country.

Accusing someone of being high, is not funny unless you're funny. I felt offended. Cops always assume that WE are high or have drugs. Then they use that as an excuse to profile and harass us. Then you just did exactly what I complained that cops do, and you want to pretend it was a joke. And you haven't accused ANY white people of being high. Which is exactly what cops do. I think you may have just proved my point about cops and their biases. Thats why I hate cops.

[yesiwasacop]

86. I just had to look up these CPS vans you speak of...didnt hardly feel legal for police to do

that is why the fire dept is who dispatches those vans. No one is "arrested" because these guys are civilian employees or firefighters, not cops.

Just from reading their webpage, it appears that in some cases they can transfer an intox person to a facility next to the jail Pretty much a drunk tank.

http://www.muni.org/Departments/health/PHIP/pages/anchoragesafetypatrol.aspx

Interestingly lots of these drunks were brought in by taxis and friends...., but the majority were brought in a cps van.


EMS personnel can lock someone down and transport them to either med care or to the police if they cant even walk halfway straight. This is based on past history where the general community concensus was tolet people do whatever they want whenever they want despite being smashed. So we (I saw we, but this was 30 yrs ago prob so wasnt there) just let people stagger along their merry way playing frogger with cars until they get hit. We then go clean up the mess. Eventually, people found they could sue us because we let their drunk college kid go, but we should have arrested him or something cuz now he is dead. Fast fwd to now and this is why there are laws like this.

I am not familiar with Alaskas laws, but I am with these, which are similar, but never seen vans go around picking people up:

http://www.shouselaw.com/drunk-in-public.html

Where did you get the idea it was the police doing all this stuff????

[bravenak]

87. They work with the APD.

I think if you saw it you would get it. They are allowed to arrest people and many carry guns. And they only drive around in certain neighborhoods. I didn't even know about them when I lived on the south side.

[yesiwasacop]

88. I dont know if they are armed or not

bottom line, plenty of people self-deliver to them via taxi and tons of people call them for rides...or at least that is what their report suggests.

So are you saying this is strictly the police or whoever just picking people up and arresting them for being drunk? What are they being charged with. Are they also arresting people who show up in a cab and ask for help?

[bravenak]

89. No.

I am saying they choose who to arrest by race. And who to stop. I am not talking about people who call for help. Just like I am not talking about people who call the police on themselves. I am only speaking about unwanted contact. Why would I be talking about people who call them on themselves? I am talking about the people who say, no thank you, and get restrained and placed in the vehicle. If you want to discuss anchorage, pm me. I am talking about the phenomena of racial profiling, something that happens everyday. I am speaking of the way minorities receive undue suspicion and get terrorized by the boys in blue. That is something the police have been guilty of forever.

[yesiwasacop]

55. You might feel safer around gangs, but if you look at the stats

and I'm sure you know this. You are far likelier to get killed by one of them than anyone else- to include cops.

At least in Missouri- see page 5

http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf

And nationwide too

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

Scroll down to "Homicide" and you will see you you are really in danger of being killed by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Bottom line- while this police vs black youth shooting stuff definitely needs to get fixed- however we do that- you as a black (man I assume) are about as likely to get killed by a white person much less a cop as I am likely (as a white male) to win $1million in the lottery.

I dont know the details of last night so I'm not over here helping to wire the electric chair for the cop just yet.

[bravenak]

57. I am a woman.

I have been stop and frisked multiple times. Why? I am no very likely to be doing anything worthy of note, they never once found anything on me, but they still stopped me for looking suspicious.

No wonder black youth are violently angry in some cases. They get run rughshod over by cops from the time they are children, called suspicious for their skin color, and then get questioned as to why they are angry and violent when they get older. Maybe if cops stopped harassing them and began working with them, we could do something about the violence. They could call a cop and say 'Officer Smith, some bad shit is about to go down, can you help stop it?'. But they have nobody to call if they know of a crime about to be committed or that somebody is planning a shooting. Because calling the cos is the worst thing you can do in any heated situation. Cops make everything that much worse. And they're racist as fuck.

Cops are supposed to find ways to reduce crime. Not antagonize the communities they serve and create more crime and dead bodies. They are doing a terrible job at being police.

[yesiwasacop]

61. It is noted you are a woman

Anyway- sure cops all over can behave better and so can the public. One thing that cannot be disputed though and you didnt even try is that you (even as a woman) are most likely to be killed (if unfortunatley that happened- hope not) by another black. Not a white, not a cop, probably someone you know.

[bravenak]

68. So are white people. More likely to be killed by white people.

And hispanics, more likely to be killed by hispanics. The way you framed it is racist. You made it sound like only black people are more likely to be killed by someone of the same race, when that goes for all races. I am more likely to be killed by a white cop than a white person. Strange isn 't it? The only group more likely to kill outside of their own race is cops......

[yesiwasacop]

72. Yes, white people are more likely to get killed by another white

if you would have read the link I sent her you would have known that.

As for cops killing outside their race more often than others- probably a true statement. Of all the officers on my dept I used to work for, the black and hispanic officers shot whites most often than of someone belonging to their own race. Vast majority of people who get shot in the city I worked were white...almost every single one of them. White officers also shot whites more often. Why??? Because that is who lives here. Are the Black and hispanic cops on my former dept racists because they have shot white people?

I dont think so- outside of one shooting I personally know of and believe didnt need to happen, every single one of them were justified. We get shot at a lot over here. Someone in this thread kind of advocated shooting at cops. Well, we get a lot of it here and very rarely does the suspect win. We did have a cop shot yesterday so that should brighten your day a bit (chalk up a win for whatever race the suspect was). Dont know who the suspect is yet as they have not located him/her, but we have their car so it is just a matter of time.

[bravenak]

73. Maybe it was friendly fire. I already been knew that white people kill white people, etc....

Cops accidentally shoot themselves too. Sometimes they do it on purpose for attention and get caught.

As for you thinking I advocate shooting cops, nope. What I do advocate is cops preventing the citizenry from losing faith in their ability to protect and serve. I also want cops to admit that they are profiling black men and to stop.

Cops have a problem with dealing with minorities. They use illegal tactics and lie. They violate civil rights daily. They harass our black and brown youth. They always think their kills are clean. No matter what. And they rarely turn each other in for anything.

Now, what's going on there is not cops policing their own neighborhoods, otherwise they wouldn't be so quick to shoot the people they have to live with. They are white cops policing black neighborhoods. And they are harassing and violating the citizens who pay their salaries. They would never stop and frisk the white kids in their own neighborhoods like that. It is up to cops to stop equating black with criminal. White people have more guns and contraband of many types. But black people get searched many times more. That is racism. In white neighborhoods, stop and frisk doesn't really exist. But it is prevalent in black neighborhoods. Cops would find just as much contraband on those white kids in those white neighborhoods if they searched them with the same dedication that they search black kids in black neighborhoods with. But they do not do it. Not to those white kids. So, the stats for crime are higher in areas where cops are always for crimes. That way they can convince themselves that it's not racist to only stop and harass black folks. But it is. And that's the problem there. White people have a history of racism that many of them ignore. We know this about white people. That's why we run from cops. They took the place of the runaway slave catcher in our society and the prison took the place of the plantation. Cops became traders of humans. Corporations use those men in their prison factories. You were just an overseer in the New Slavery.

[uponit7771]

64. Vs a million law suits a million votes... I can't believe some of the racial makeup of these PDs..

... relative to where they patrol

[bravenak]

66. It's crazy!!

It's like they're overseers on a plantation.

[uponit7771]

67. YES!! The KCPD was that way, 5 black cops out of 100 in an all black neighborhodd and they hated us

... with a passion.

[bravenak]

69. I sometimes think they purposely hire the most racist vile specimens of humanity.

Or, good people refuse to be cops anymore. I think that all the good cops are dead or retired. I knew a few good cops. They retired. One had a K-9 dog that would hit on my mothers greenhouse all the time. He would tell his dog to leave the weed lady alone..

[Sivart]

24. And why was he patrolling....

Why was the cop patrolling a neighborhood if he was off duty, but working for a private security firm? What right does a private security guard have to patrol the public streets?

My son goes to college right outside STL. Im getting more than a little concerned.

[logosoco]

33. This is what I am wondering as well.

Who hired him? Did the person who was shot know it was a security person? Lots of questions and I am not real sure if I am going to go with the "official" explanation.

I live outside of St. Louis (my son is in Africa right now with the Peace Corps), where does your son go to school? (if you don't mind my asking?)

[HereSince1628]

26. In this particular case, it's likely a euphemism

in which 'routine' replaces other descriptions, such as 'profile-based' that the public recognizes as 'race-based ' pedestrian stop.

[Recursion]

28. I've lived in Baltimore and DC; I know my euphemisms

But even those police forces don't go that far. "Routine pedestrian stop"? Even Baltimore PD wouldn't try that.

[L0oniX]

27. Can we make a pedestrian stop on a cop too?

[Recursion]

30. Best of luck (nt)

[hfojvt]

56. I did that once

Once.

Cop turned in front of me, and then stopped to talk to another cop, so I jogged up to his window and said "I need to see your license and registration, please." Female cop he was talking to looked at me like "who the hell do you think you are" and I said to the driver "you failed to signal for that turn" and he mumbled something like "sorry" and went back to his conversation and I laughed and went back to what I was doing (being at work at the time).

[uponit7771]

65. +1

[unblock]

31. given that someone ended up dead, i sure hope it wasn't "routine".

[valerief]

35. Routine criminal stop. The War on Drugs has brought us civil forfeiture and that's

brought us these stops. Add racism to the mix and for-profit prisons and you have 21st century slavery.

[Malraiders]

38. I called the St Louis PD and was told that

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a "routine pedestrian stop" was just that - a routine pedestrian stop. So I asked further that if a cop sees a pedestrian, that cop can just stop0 the pedestrian? So the cop says, :Yes, if there is reason to stop the pedestrian."

I think being a black pedestrian in a white neighborhood is not a crime, but I am sure that it is seen by LEOs as a reason to stop the black pedestrian.

Sounds like a stop and frisk - like in NY.

Done but not legal by LEO.

Anyone wishing to call SLPD - here is the number:

[phone]

[Logical]

44. Terry stop maybe. But has to suspect a crime has occurred or is about to. Nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

45. I'm trying to get SLCP on the phone but for some reason their lines are busy. nt

[nolabear]

71. I believe that is called a "shakedown."

And it is abuse.

[Spider Jerusalem]

74. Over here in the UK it's sarcastically referred to as "being black in a built-up area". (n/t)