They 'fucking' let him die to make a point.

[Hutzpa]

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I have nothing else but disdain to those that allowed this to happen.









An update for those that wanted context
Thomas Duncan the Ebola patient from Liberia has died as per MSNBC. What I and everyone else should be asking is why did the other 6 patient that contacted the disease survived medical treatment (with two of the those patients having severe symptoms) yet a Liberian with mild symptoms died 10 days from being diagnosed with the disease.

[Drale]

1. And you have proof of this? /nt

[MohRokTah]

2. Need input.

[CJCRANE]

3. Ebola? ISIS? Both? Neither?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

4. OFFS! What is the point they are supposed to be making? nt

[B2G]

5. Way to diss those that have cared for him

and put their lives on the line to do so.

Your post is disgusting.

[notrightatall]

6. Please use words to letr us all know what you are 'fucking' talking about.

[upaloopa]

7. Not to rain on your parade but what are you talking about?

There sure a a lot of these type OPs lately. There is no hint of a topic
Are we to ask you or ignore you or what?
Yesterday the poster chewed out anyone who wanted to know what they were talking about.

[Dreamer Tatum]

8. Context please nt

[Lodestar]

95. That's funny...I knew exactly what the post was about from the title.

Guess I feel the same re: the ebola patient.

[Hutzpa]

110. Most of the responders are delibrately being obtuse

and ignorant, I could be honest and say I'm amazed at the level of infestation but not completely disappointed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

161. Fuck your accusation of 'infestation'; it could easily have been about this story:

Moazzam Begg: I offered to help secure release of Alan Henning

Former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg offered to intervene to help save the life of British hostage Alan Henning with an extraordinary public appeal but was twice rebuffed by the Foreign Office.

According to a revealing correspondence, the human rights activist held talks with Alistair Burt, a former Foreign Office minister, in January to secure the release of Henning, a Salford taxi driver, who was killed by Islamic State militants last week.

The paperwork indicates Begg said he had been contacted by Henning’s friends in December, just as his passport had been taken away by the home secretary for being a “terrorist risk”.

Begg – told by the Foreign Office his “help was not needed” – was arrested a few weeks later in February on suspicion of terrorism offences linked to Syria. He was held in Belmarsh prison, but was released last week after it emerged that secret intelligence material had been withheld from police and prosecutors. That had included minutes of meetings with MI5 where his travel plans were discussed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/moazzam-begg-offered-secure-release-alan-henning

In fact, it would have made more sense for it to be about that, because that really was an accusation of inaction. You have to be paranoid to think that doctors let Duncan die to 'teach someone a lesson'.

[Orsino]

9. Did you mean they or They?

Is this a reference to a man or The Man, man?

[Journeyman]

10. Takes a lot of chutzpah to post that as a "thought" . . .

[tularetom]

11. Huh?

are you talking about

[aikoaiko]

30. Right click, save image as, sarahWTFgif, click save

Thank you.

[sharp_stick]

51. Yoink

That one is going into the rotation. Thank you.

[jberryhill]

12. They should have never handed him to de Blasio in the first place

[TwilightGardener]

14. LOL. I do feel bad about that poor groundhog.

[B2G]

16. +1000

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Call Congress! Right Fucking Now!

[closeupready]

15. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[DrDan]

17. Wow - based on what??

[Dreamer Tatum]

18. This critical piece of Truth to Power needs to be kicked for visibility.

Those FUCKERS. They let HIM die.

[jberryhill]

48. To MAKE A POINT!

[diabeticman]

19. Who died?

[Dreamer Tatum]

21. Don't be obtuse. HE died. They LET him die. nt

[m-lekktor]

83. lol nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

22. Thomas Duncan, the ebola patient in Dallas, was the one who died. n/t

[diabeticman]

31. Crap... Thanks for the sad news. In a sense the OP is right. The hospital dropped the ball

had it been caught earlier he probably had a good chance of surviving.

[B2G]

40. No one has a 'good chance' of survival

it's 50-50 at best.

[notadmblnd]

46. I'm assuming that is your expert medical opinion?

[B2G]

54. No more than you, yet

it's fine for you to suppose that things would have been different.

[notadmblnd]

72. could have been different.

But you just keep on laughing. wouldn't want to disrupt your good time

[sharp_stick]

62. With this strain and treatment

it's a little better than 50:50 for survival, probably nearer 60:40.

[Hutzpa]

93. Yet 2 people with severe symptoms worse than Thomas Duncan

have survived in America.

[B2G]

100. For all we know, there is a genetic component at play

that makes it more deadly in the African American race than the Caucasian race.

It was born and evolved in Africa. No studies have been conducted as to how ebola affects people of different races since before now it's been confined to that continent and contained very quickly.

It's probably one of the least studied virus in the world because it pops up and is usually contained quickly and burns out rapidly.

[Hutzpa]

104. If this nonsense you've just fed yourself helps you

sleep at night, then kudos to you.

[B2G]

108. Lol. OK.

I'M talking nonsense.

Good one.

[SidDithers]

124. They were both given ZMAPP...

the last dose, in the world, was given to a Norweigian aid worker yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-virus-outbreak-norwegian-patient-to-get-last-available-dose-of-zmapp-in-the-world-9781740.html

There is no grand conspiracy here. Ebola kills people, even when they're given outstanding medical care.

Sid

[zappaman]

144. We both know what did him in...

[SidDithers]

163. Oh shit. Now you gone dun it...nt

Sid

[uppityperson]

130. How do you know what his symptoms were? Kidney and liver failure are not severe?

[Mz Pip]

158. Even so

We don't know the health histories of the patients, if they had any pre existing conditions or were sick with other things.

There are too many variables at work to assume that he was allowed to die. Diagnosis by Internet info iis far from accurate.

[DrDan]

81. It wasn't done to "make a point"

Ridiculous

[diabeticman]

117. Not directly. but a hospital that just ran drills on ebola case and then dropped the ball.

if anything he died partly because of ignorance.

[MohRokTah]

35. The OP has yet to verify that was what the fuck they were talking about. eom

[jberryhill]

52. Thank goodness we have resident psychics to decipher these things

[Marr]

20. What is this about? /nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

24. It's about Thomas Duncan, the ebola patient in Dallas. He died. n/t

[MohRokTah]

36. The OP hasn't weighed in on that yet. eom

[HERVEPA]

41. He didn't need to. Clear what was referenced.

[Demit]

49. Why is it clear?

I guess I'm a little slow. Please point to the specific word(s) that make it clear?

[MohRokTah]

50. Clear as mud.

They 'fucking' let him die to make a point.

I have nothing else but disdain to those that allowed this to happen.

Nowhere does it specify precisely who "they" are, let alone "him" and "those".

I can only conclude that the OP is talking about the Spanish officials who euthanized the nurse's dog. Excalibur was a good boy. I have nothing but disdain for those who would react so irrationally over a single study that would seem to suggest that dogs might be able to carry the Ebola virus and just possibly be capable of transmitting the virus back to humans.

[HERVEPA]

68. The word "let" would make no sense for that situation.

Obviously talking about the Ebola patient in Dallas who just died. Clear to me the first second I saw the post.
And, in my opinion, a totally stupid post by the way. They didn't let him die. They treated him, and he died.

[MohRokTah]

71. They let Vic Braden Die!

Google it.

[MohRokTah]

73. They let Geoffrey Holder die!!!

Google it.

[MohRokTah]

78. They let Paul Revere die!!!

Can't have the British invading rock and roll again. They were just proving a point. I have nothing but disdain for those who would let this rock legend die.

[MohRokTah]

79. Last in this string, but certainly not least, they let Baby Doc Duvalier die to prove a point.

See how that works?

[NightWatcher]

23. They didn't really kill off Brian from Family Guy, relax

[Travis_0004]

25. Sometimes I miss the ability to thumbs down a thread.

[TBF]

26. I was surprised that they

Even bothered with an experimental drug. Hopefully some knowledge was gained from that attempt.

I do feel bad for the guy and his family. Although he likely lied on his questionnaire I am not so sure any of the rest of us would have been above doing the same.

May he rest in peace.

[Dreamer Tatum]

87. The attitude of 'surprise' is pretty insulting to the healthcare community.

Why WOULDN'T they give an Ebola victim an experimental drug? Maybe that would
help it get past the experimental stage.

[TBF]

137. Sorry - I don't love the insurance

Companies as you do and never will. Healthcare should be a right rather than a so-called privilege. The fact that he was a non-citizen and non-white only made it more likely that he would die. That, sadly, is the reality we face in America if we are not part of the 1%.

[notrightatall]

27. well, I just talked to him. He's not quite dead.

[A HERETIC I AM]

33. He wants to go for a walk

"I feel happy!!"

[Fearless]

28. They, fucking, let him die to make a point.

Hurray for random punctuation.

[notadmblnd]

29. I agree

And the message that was sent is: Don't come here from West Africa to get life saving treatment if you are a person of color with no insurance.

[B2G]

32. Which is why they cared for him for 10 days

putting every healthcare worker at risk, only to let him die.

I can't believe some people.

[notadmblnd]

39. So far all the white people who have traveled to this country and been treated are alive

6 people in total. None as far as I know were turned away. Again 4 white survivors one dead black man. One white man currently being treated. Wanna bet on whether he lives or dies? My money is on his survival.

[B2G]

44. Has it occured to you that

African American might be more at risk genetically?

This is new territory we're in. No one has definitive answers on why some survive and some don't.

[notadmblnd]

47. has it occured to you that in your denial you are grasping at straws?

but go ahead and make light of the situation. Hopefully none of your loved ones will ever be neglected medically based on color or lack of money.

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. There is no evidence that this man was neglected medically.

No matter how loud or long you howl. He died in a hospital after having received experimental treatment.

I regret to inform you that Ebola is generally fatal, and is so dangerous specifically because it has no cure.

[notadmblnd]

80. Well since there is no more Zmapp. Let's see if this next guy dies.

Oh, but he wasn't turned away with a script for antibiotics.

[npk]

148. The man lied to medical workers.

That is why he was sent away as "you" call it. The man lied every step of the process, and as a result put countless of people in danger. I am sorry that he has died, obviously it is a sad situation that he could not be saved, but perhaps if he has been more truthful with the medical screeners, nurses and doctors they might have caught the virus sooner and it's possible he could have survived. As I understand it from what I have read, hours matter in battling this diseases, so you can certainly understand how deadly this virus is.

[notadmblnd]

152. Well there you have it. He lied, his death is justified.

he told the intake person he came from West Africa on his first visit. Now he may have lied to airport screeners, but you do not know that. From interviews that I have seen with individuals in Africa who were close to him, he was not aware that the dying pregnant woman he helped, had Ebola. Spo it is possible that he did not lie.

Yes, hours matter and he was sent home with a script. If he had been admitted on his first visit, he may have gotten the support care that has enable so many to survive.

I'm not going to argue with you. You are entitled to believe what you like, as am I.

[npk]

154. Maybe lied was the wrong word

What I was saying is that the medical workers at the hospital in Texas were at the very least misinformed, perhaps at the very worse they were simply negligent and did not follow exact protocol. I just disagree that he didn't get the best medical care possible, once he was diagnosed of course. If anything I am sure that everything possible to save this man was put in place not only to save this mans life but to try and stop the spread of fear.

[seabeyond]

155. they took her to an eola ward and were turned away. the parents and a son, he was with were dead.

there is text. email. are you suggesting, ALL that, he did not know he was in contact with ebola? i do not buy it.

he could have been relieved with a flu diagnosis. denial is a strong thing. i get that. his son knew it was ebola and called cdc and said.... ebola.

if he has said ebola at the hospital, he would have had different care, you think?

you want to blame them for not seeing the connection between country, first case in u.s. ... fine. but it is not more than that.

[notadmblnd]

156. No, in fact in my post you just responded to- I said he may have lied to airport screeners

but that from the interviews I have seen with people who were close to him, he may have not known.

Yes, denial is a strong thing. I do think Drs and nurses should have been able to make the connection because if they are no more informed than the average person, then it does not bode well for anyone in this country who becomes ill.

[seabeyond]

157. it was the first case ever in the u.s. with the flu season, in a busy er. a mistake was made.

and all that pointing to ebola, a mistake was made on duncans part. neither good. and neither with intent for wrong, i do not think. just the reality.

you said, his friends implied he did not know.

he went to an ebola ward, turned away and watched her die

the parents and a son died.

i believe he had the info.

i simply will not make the medical people out to be satans, and all others innocent participants. this was a first run in our country. not perfect. far from it. lots of lessons learned. and maybe at the man determent.

but.... anyone feeling symptoms are coming forward quickly. hopefully they will quarantine self as they are processed.

the medical teams seem to be revising procedure.

it is unfortunate for the first man. and it may save lives, and contain in our future.

[B2G]

58. You are crazy

He was denied nothing. He was cared for as best they could for 10 days. He received probably around $1 million in care, minimum. People put their health at risk to do so.

And I'm done with this insane thread.

[Dreamer Tatum]

61. $100MM in care? Really?

That cann't possibly be true, though he was certainly treated at great expense.

[B2G]

63. Edited a minute ago

Got carried away with the zeros. Lol.

[notadmblnd]

82. tata

[sharp_stick]

60. They were treated at a much earlier time in the illness even in Africa

all through their trip to the US and into the hospital. That is a major factor in actually being able to beat this disease.

Now if you'd like to take off the tinfoil hat and actually produce any type of evidence I'd like to see it.

[notadmblnd]

76. and he could have been treated too, but he was turned away.

[sharp_stick]

88. The triage procedures were terrible

but I don't think it would have been enough in any case. He presented with a full on infection. At that point the only hope is supportive and the chances of success are slim.

Aid workers are trained to monitor themselves at all times and will go to the clinic at the first sign of any problem. You can bet that all of the aid workers flown back to the US were being treated from the first sneeze.

[Hutzpa]

98. His symptoms were no worse off than the aid workers

in fact the aid workers symptoms were worst than what he had.

[sharp_stick]

115. The aid workers were well underway

with the disease when they appeared but they had been undergoing treatment for several days at that point. They were on IV's almost immediately, being provided fluids so the blood pressure stays up and oxygen status doesn't creep into crisis points.

Add to this the fact that the aid workers all had really healthy immune systems and full vaccination histories going in and they automatically have a leg up on any locals that are infected.

[seabeyond]

111. i wonder how big that 10 day, kidney dialysis medial bill was? nt

[notadmblnd]

116. A friend of mine just got a transplant after beng on dialysis for 7 years.

I could give him a call and ask him what it cost him to go 3x a week for 7 years?

[seabeyond]

120. glad your friend got the transplant needed. other than that, your reply is meaningless. nt

[notadmblnd]

121. well he would know the cost since he went to dialysis appproximately 12 times a month.

You were wondering what the cost of dialysis was for 10 days, no?

[seabeyond]

132. cause it is much more fun to pretend? the obvious, he was cared for. the obvious, the OP is full

of crap. the point, you agree with the OP. the evidence suggest the opposite.

[Hutzpa]

135. Do you believe the same level of care was shown to him

as were the aid workers?

[seabeyond]

138. seriously? that is the question? that was not what was stated. i do not know if the care was

equal. i know, for ten days he was cared for, by people who were risking their health. i know they had no more of the drug that helped those two aide workers. and i am pretty damn sure they did not throw him in a corner, to die miserably, with no aide, cause he came to this country without insurance. or to prove a point.

[notadmblnd]

140. I think he would have gotten better treatment if he had insurance and he had been white.

They turned him away with a script on his first visit. Then 4 days later they admitted him, what sort of treatment he got after that, I simply don't know. Was it the best? We don't know.

We do know that the one Dr who survived offered to donate blood in a chance that that would help, but never got a call back from the hospital. We don;t know why not. We do know that he did not receive any of the experimental drugs until Tuesday this week. We do know that he told the hospital he had come from West Africa on his initial visit. We do know that the Dr. who initially treated him had access to that info after the hospital denied that he did. We do know that he is the only death so far out of the 6 people who came down with the disease and was treated in this country. We do know that people who have no insurance receive less care in this country than people with insurance.

These are some of the reasons I tend to agree with the OP.

[seabeyond]

143. i will NOT make a statement he was not cared for because of insurance when i have no way of knowing.

when no evidence points to that fact, but the opposite. it is a horrible thing to insist on, without proof, about people that are putting their life at risk caring for this man.

[notadmblnd]

145. I'm not asking anyone to make that statement. It is my opinion and I explained my reasons for having

that opinion. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. If I'm right it won't be the first time for that either.

[uppityperson]

34. mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them

[yuiyoshida]

37. but... but... but...

The Buddha was old, no one could help him..they didn't have modern medicine back than.. besides, he died on the way home... His ashes and bones are now scattered though out the buddhist world.. in fact, someone recently found a bottle containing part of his ashes and they have built shrines to him all over the...


You're not talking about Buddha are you? ...*sigh*

[ZombieHorde]

38. Is this another

"Jews killed Jesus" thread? That execution went down a long time ago, if at all, and was technically done by the Romans. Let it go.

[Baitball Blogger]

42. I don't think so.

In all probability he was weakened by the delay in the care. But I don't think anyone intentionally caused his demise in order to make a point.

[jberryhill]

53. Those bastards!

[Go Vols]

45. He's still alive

http://www.abevigoda.com/

[Dr. Strange]

160. Whew!

I was worried.

[get the red out]

55. This is possible

But I would like to see some kind of background, link, or something in order to understand your conclusion.

[Dreamer Tatum]

59. I think we are meant to think that Ebola is curable, but only if you're white and insured. nt

[get the red out]

67. Texas

Was the gentleman in Texas given the new, experimental treatment? I just haven't paid enough attention to know in my attempt to avoid the PANIC.

His death is extremely sad, but there is also the added issue of his illness not being discovered when he first went to the hospital. That might have worsened his chances.

[Dreamer Tatum]

70. The other thing that worsened his chances was that he had EBOLA.

Just think what healthcare professionals are up against: cure a man of an incurable disease who was evidently of very little help to his own cause, or you're a RACIST.

Just another example of the infantilization of opinion these days.

[get the red out]

75. Yes

Everyone sees this in extremes more than human realities. A deadly disease certainly isn't racist.

[Nye Bevan]

57. What's with the 'single' quotes around "fucking"? (nt)

[sharp_stick]

65. Maybe to clear up the

idea that the OP didn't mean they were literally fucking while they let him die to make a point.

[Dreamer Tatum]

77. Otherwise sounds like the backstory to Friday the 13th:

"They, fucking, let him die."

Therefore he will rise from the lake to exact revenge.

[Jamastiene]

147. Don't most hyperbole based posts have random punctuation and capital letters like that?

That's my best guess, anyhow. OP is very angry. That much, I can tell. Otherwise,

[Throd]

64. What point were "they" trying to make?

[MohRokTah]

66. It was WRONG for the Spanish officials to let Excalibur die to make a point!

I have nothing but disdain for them!

[elleng]

69. BS

[WolverineDG]

74. I'll call Congress..... nt

[yuiyoshida]

84. This is one of those "hit and run"

Posts right? Where the op lobs a grenade and than runs away?

[PeaceNikki]

85. Who is 'they'?

[NuclearDem]

86. Yes, it's unfortunate they withheld that 100% perfect cure for Ebola from him.

...are you fucking kidding me?

[tammywammy]

89. This is a stupid OP.

[sufrommich]

90. What point? How did they convince the hospital,doctors and

nurses to let a patient die?Were the hundreds who work at the hospital sworn to eternal silence? I hate stupid conspiracy theories.

[Avalux]

91. And why do you believe this?

We have no details about Duncan's status when he was admitted to the hospital and his subsequent treatment. We do know he was given brincidofovir hoping it would help.

I'm upset about it too, but making such accusations isn't helping anyone.

[greytdemocrat]

92. Get a grip... nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

94. Why don't you tell us how that happened, Professor/Doctor?

As much as this might enrage you, sometimes people who contract incurable diseases die. And, while this is an extreme outrage that should not be spoken aloud, not all of them will be white.

How do you know the exact circumstances of each case? How do you know that the other cases had similar manifestations, symptoms, and complications? How can you be sure, in a manner that might convince a reasonable person, that he was "let" to die, when in fact he received an experimental drug? Do you know for a fact that had his diagnosis been made immediately he would have survived?

In fact, you don't know anything other than what you typed.

[Hutzpa]

96. If you can stop yourself from being obtuse maybe you'll learn something.

nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

99. How convincing.

And you STILL haven't clued us in on what the point was of "them" (whomever "they" are...you haven't said)
"letting" (as though there is a cure, which there isn't) him die.

I'm sure you can whip one up real quick, though. Favor us, the obtuse, please.

[Hutzpa]

125. If you're waiting on me to clue you in

then your time and energy on this DU have been wasted.

[Dreamer Tatum]

126. truer words were never spoken

[GusBob]

136. *snarf* n/t

[riqster]

107. We can also learn from OPs that include facts, evidence and suchlike .

Pity this OP had none of those elements.

[Hutzpa]

129. This thread is MY fucking opinion

which is based on my view of what I believe took place, you have a choice to either contribute something tangible, ignore or find you a popcorn with whatever line of beverage that suits you and relax, put your feet up and munch away.

[Electric Monk]

139. Your opinion, yet you presented it as fact. That's the problem with the OP. nt

[Electric Monk]

153. I'm copy-pasting the OP here for archival purposes, in case they self-delete

now that they're locked out from replying any more.

Hutzpa (11,026 posts)

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I have nothing else but disdain to those that allowed this to happen.









An update for those that wanted context
Thomas Duncan the Ebola patient from Liberia has died as per MSNBC. What I and everyone else should be asking is why did the other 6 patient that contacted the disease survived medical treatment (with two of the those patients having severe symptoms) yet a Liberian with mild symptoms died 10 days from being diagnosed with the disease.

[riqster]

141. This thread is

?c=2

[Jamastiene]

150. Or find you a popcorn with whatever line of beverage...

AND get called obtuse if you happen to disagree or ask for any evidence at all.

[randome]

97. Was the 'point' that he didn't leave you anything in his will?

Sucks, doesn't it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[Hutzpa]

101. Good to know that you find this entertaining.

nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

105. I congratulate you on a successful troll OP.

You sucked a lot of otherwise serious people in.

Although you should have rickrolled us at the same time.

[Throd]

106. No, seriously, what the hell are you trying to say?

[FLPanhandle]

102. Here I thought only the far right leap into wild conclusions based on nothing

sigh

[SheilaT]

103. How incredibly offensive.

What a bullshit accusation to make. Do you REALLY think that doctors and nurses are politically motivated and so will just allow someone to die? And to what end?

Are you aware of the actual mortality rate of Ebola?

And what is your basis for saying he had mild symptoms? His condition had been downgraded a couple of days ago from serious to critical, which probably indicates severe symptoms, not mild ones.

[notrightatall]

109. The context still needs a definition of "They"

Or is it this simple:

[bobclark86]

112. Because Ebola is 'fucking' nasty...?

I'm sure it was a great big conspiracy against black people, or something. Maybe Duncan was gay or a vegan? Yeah, vegan.

Or it could be he contracted a nasty, horrible disease and, like the vast majority of people who get it, died? Like the 2,000 people who've already died? Nah, can't be that. There's no conspiracy theory there.

Provide proof, or STFU. Pretty sure there's rules about conspiracy theories in GD.

[drm604]

113. I understood immediately what the OP meant, although I can see how others might not.

In any case, there is no evidence and no reason to believe that he was allowed to die on purpose. That's pure tinfoil-hattery.

[seabeyond]

114. bullshit. how much what the 100k's medical bill was it, that they did not care? nt

[BeeBee]

118. What a ridiculous thing to say. n/t

[Purveyor]

122. Bullshit! However you find find commonality here: Jesse Jackson Questions Level Of Care For Ebola

Jesse Jackson Questions Level Of Care For Ebola Patient

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025638462

[Aerows]

123. You do realize

that it is against the law to provide detailed medical information on a patient, right?

Yes, he had Ebola, but none of us know anything further than that. Did he have other medical conditions that made his chances of survival worse than others? We have no idea. For all we know he could have had cancer, heart disease, diabetes, some additional type of infection or heaven only knows what.

Even if he was 100% healthy with no other complications, though, it is Ebola. Ebola has a mortality rate. Some people survive, some don't.

The point, though, is that no one except the medical personnel that were treating him know anything other than that he had Ebola. We know nothing else about the state of his health.

[randome]

131. He had Obama's REAL birth certificate tattooed on his left thigh.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[SidDithers]

127. ...

Sid

[bluestateguy]

128. Interesting

I look forward to you providing the evidence to substantiate that claim.

[Peacetrain]

133. Hutzpa, I understand what you are saying.. but I wonder

if he was so severely dehydrated and the clotting factors were so degraded that there was no saving him.. He seems to have been so much further along the route of Ebola infections than do the others who have recovered..

I think the issue was not letting him die for a reason..but not addressing his illness when he initially came in and sending him home with antibiotics only.

When he returned to the hospital he was severely ill from what I understand.

There are very few hospitals qualified to treat someone with Ebola at these time..who would be able to sort out the symptoms early.. all the others were previously diagnosed in another country and so treatment was at centers who could address his needs and with meds.. (which are no longer available for ANYONE..they have to be manufactured) ..

[marew]

142. Now there's a leap!

We have no idea of the general state of his health, whether he had any other health problems, etc. These types of concerns would all be kept secret due to patient confidentiality.
You have jumped to a conclusion way, way too quickly.

[zappaman]

146. This thread is fantastic!

Thank you!

[tridim]

149. Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much...

[stevenleser]

151. Unfortunately, you are locked out of your OP from a hide, but you are incorrect.

The patients who have survived from one of two treatment regimens, one discovered by a Liberian doctor---> http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/27/health/ebola-hiv-drug/ using an existing HIV drug, and the experimental one here http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/07/american-journalist-with-ebola-being-treated-with-experimental-drug/ need to have treatment start early, to wit:

Kundu and the other 12 patients who took the lamivudine and survived, received the drug in the first five days or so of their illness. The two patients who died received it between days five and eight.

From what I have read about Duncan, he was misdiagnosed and sent home from the hospital with antibiotics. I think that is what killed him, not having the right treatment start early enough.

[ecstatic]

159. I think so too, BUT not necessarily with the doctor's consent.

Letting him die would be against the oath doctors take, but that doesn't mean that a third party didn't interfere and sabotage their efforts to save him. The motive: To make it clear that the US will not save people from other countries. I think it's pretty clear that US facilities have been able to save everyone else with Ebola except for Mr. Duncan. He was used as a guinea pig and that's it.

[arcane1]

162. What point did they make?

I missed that part

[Dreamer Tatum]

164. Everyone missed that and any other possible point. nt