For all you Jimmy Carter worshippers out there

[BeyondGeography]

Obama takes heat from Carter, Panetta on Islamic State

Former President Jimmy Carter, in an interview published in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on Tuesday, faulted (President) Obama for moving too slowly and allowing the threat to expand throughout the region.

“First of all, we waited too long. We let the Islamic State build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in Syria,” Carter said. “Then when [the Islamic State] moved into Iraq, the Sunni Muslims didn’t object to their being there and about a third of the territory in Iraq was abandoned.”

Carter added that former cabinet officials have criticized the president's "lack of positive action" on the issue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/10/08/obama-takes-heat-from-carter-panetta-on-islamic-state/

Oh, and this from CNN:

Carter also argued it would be strategic to have troops on the ground in Syria to help guide the air campaign. Obama, however, has pledged that the United States would not send troops into the country.

"You have to have somebody on the ground to direct our missiles and to be sure you have the right target," Carter said. "Then you have to have somebody to move in and be willing to fight ISIS after the strikes."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/08/politics/jimmy-carter-obama-isis/

[spanone]

1. i worship no politician. i admire jimmy carter. i disagree with him in this instance.

i still admire him.

[hifiguy]

29. This. Excellent.

[H2O Man]

47. Well said.

Thank you.

[jehop61]

2. A thank you to Grandpa Jimmy

for sounding so hawkish right before his grandson runs for Governor of a very red state. (Sarcasm)

[Scuba]

3. I admire, not worship, Carter and hate seeing his words twisted like this ...

The "something positive" he advocated need not be military action.

And the boots on the ground he mentioned would be strategically important only if we attack.

I have not seen anything attributed to Carter advocating military action in the mid-east. But we do know how he feels about war ...

[BeyondGeography]

5. Obama is apparently the pacifist in this case

Pretty quote though.

[TexasProgresive]

12. That's refreshing- Carter actually said that.

I routinely challenged quotes appended to pictures of a person-many are false but President Carter said this in Oslo - it is quite a good speech:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2002/carter-lecture.html

[MissDeeds]

36. Thanks for this, Scuba

Great quote, and some much needed clarity.

[WinkyDink]

4. He's no dummy. Hello, peace accords?

[Le Taz Hot]

6. Your use of the word "worship"

reveals your agenda.

[Phentex]

10. along with the word you

Where are we again?

[BeyondGeography]

14. My agenda

is to raise your comfort level with Obama.

How'm I doing?

[Le Taz Hot]

16. By taking a swipe at Jimmy Carter

and accusing his admirers of worshiping him? I don't know, how do YOU think you're doing?

[dilby]

7. Carter is the one former President who became more after his Presidency.

I don't worship the guy, I highly respect him and I don't always agree with him. Carter is great example on what a Progressive President should be.

[G_j]

8. worship?

way to get an OP off on the wrong foot.. LOL

[Spazito]

9. Former President Carter is a good man, one doesn't have to agree with...

everything he says to still think he is a good man.

[LawDeeDah]

24. Exactly. What's up with people in their black/white worlds? geezus.

[Spazito]

27. It is the 'all or nothing' attitude...

Either you agree with everything I do or you are thrown under the bus. It is destructive not constructive, imo.

[LawDeeDah]

33. That is how congress works, or doesn't work, today.

I see it is spreading.

[msanthrope]

11. Navy man who knows whereof he speaks. nt

[fadedrose]

13. Oh NO! Not Jimmy too~~~~ nt

[seabeyond]

15. can people respect, or think someone smart, without being called a worshipper?

[IDemo]

22. There are 10 kinds of people on DU

those who use binary thinking and those who don't.

[seabeyond]

25. ha ha. lol. nt

[treestar]

39. +1

Apparently not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Jimmy Carter was never a pacifist and he's correct about the danger ISIS poses.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Troops on the ground in Syria--fighting against both Assad and various terrorist groups?

Jimmy Carter needs to go have a nap. He's lost his mind.

[Orsino]

19. WTF did that old man ever do to bring peace to the region?

Oh, yeah.

[MerryBlooms]

20. His grandson is running for GA governor... maybe it's campaign speak.

[TwilightGardener]

21. So reading through the responses, we now support a ground war in Syria as well as Iraq,

because Jimmy Carter said so. If Obama had called for ground troops in Iraq and Syria, you'd all be losing your shit in protest, you gigantic pile of hypocrites.

[leftynyc]

32. What are you babbling about?

I read the same responses you did and didn't see one person calling for ground troops. Did you even bother to read the comments before pontificating?

[TwilightGardener]

35. Yup. I see lots of "Jimmy Carter knows the Middle East" and "Jimmy Carter was

in the Navy, he knows something!". I don't see a lot of "Jimmy Carter is dead wrong." Which, by the way, he is. Obama could not possibly have conducted a war sooner than the way it happened, for a huge host of reasons.

[leftynyc]

43. But none of that was your original claim

which was now DU supports ground troops because Pres Carter supports them. I'm not even a fan of Pres Carter and I saw the bullshit in your comment.

[TwilightGardener]

44. I've never been a Carter fan either. And unless people say, "Sorry, Jimmeh, you

are quite wrong that we should have troops on the ground in Syria and gotten sucked into another ground war in Iraq" I have to assume they support what he's saying.

[leftynyc]

45. I learned as a young lass

that assumptions can only get you into trouble. Don't we have enough drama on this board without shoving words into other people's mouths?

[TwilightGardener]

46. I will continue to wait for the denunciations of Carter's statements.

[ieoeja]

50. You're not making any sense. The very first reply disagreed with Carter. You are apparently ...

... waiting in a reverse time flow for those denunciations.


Replies disagreeing with Carter before your very first reply:

#1
#2
#7
#9
#13
#18


Replies before your last post that denounced Carter:

#29
#24

[TwilightGardener]

52. Nah, those are respectful disagreements, nothing like the screeching that Obama would get

if he proposed the same shit. You know, the "Fuck Obama Warmonger MIC Fuckity Fuck!" denunciations. Interesting how people here are loathe to disagree with Carter when he's very clearly losing his marbles (or worse, trying to polish his own image by using Obama as a pinata like Panetta and Hillary).

[ieoeja]

49. Name one.

Replies before yours disagreeing with Carter:

#1
#2
#7
#9
#13
#18


Replies before yours (at least implicitly) agreeing with Carter:

#4
#11
#17
#19


Now the big question: have those posting 4, 11, 17 and 19 ever spoken out against Obama attacking ISIL? Cause if they haven't, they aren't doing anything remotely hypocritical.

I find the "hypocrite" charge on DU is rarely true. Afghanistan is a great example. One of the biggest gripes DUers had about the war in Iraq was that it took resources away from the war DUers felt we should have been fighting in Afghanistan. Despite the overwhelming support for action in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency, pacifists still call us hypocrites for supporting Obama shifting the focus to Afghanistan.

We're hypocrites for supporting what we always supported?

[TwilightGardener]

51. Haven't seen any overt or implicit support for a ground war in Iraq/Syria...

and yet, not seeing anyone unload on Carter's monday morning quarterbacking and sheer stupidity with his statements. Very odd.

[LawDeeDah]

23. It's not an either/or. I admire both men and have no problem

that they will disagree. To make this into a wrestling cage match is beneath both of those great men. But it isn't beneath people to make this some sort of big deal. That isn't.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. I'v never met anyone who "worshipped" Carter

I like him. I voted for him. I disagree with this position, as I have disagreed with him on some issues in the past.

[Hortensis]

30. Democrats don't worship leaders. Those folk hang elsewhere.

[OilemFirchen]

48. En voilà une surprise!

There you have it.

Worship Jimmy Carter? Moi?

Non non non! Par là ------> Genuflecters!

[sabrina 1]

34. Interesting, your use of the word 'worshippers' wrt to any politician. Perhaps there is a little

projection there. I worship no politician, they are not my friends, my family or anyone I know or want to know personally. They are hired to do a job, that is all. And I have zero problem stating my opinion of when one of them, even if it is someone I placed a lot of trust in, does or says something wrong.

Just wanted to make that clear. I am aware that there are people who worship politicians, I consider those people to be enablers of bad policies making it difficult to stop politicians from making mistakes.

But those people are in the minority.

Carter is wrong about this, imo. Assuming this is an accurate account of what he said and meant.

[BeyondGeography]

38. It's an attention-getting device

And it seems to have worked.

[LanternWaste]

40. It's also a mechanism which illustrates melodrama over substance. And it seems to have worked also.

It's also a mechanism which illustrates melodrama over substance. And it seems to have worked also.

[BeyondGeography]

41. It predictably became a thread about "worship"

But it has about 1,000 views and those folks know what Carter said now.

[6000eliot]

37. He's trying to help his grandson get elected.

[moondust]

42. Did Obama even know?

Or did the "Slam Dunk" people in the intelligence community fail to know and/or fail to inform the President (in the interest of starting up another profitable war to replace the old ones)?