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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:58 AM Oct 2014

A dangerous and pernicious op-ed from McCain and Graham itching for war with Syria

This is the full-throated cry of the war hawk. It's probably worth digesting in its entirety, because we're going to be hearing a lot of similar talk in Washington in coming weeks. The pressure is mounting on Obama to really try to overthrow the Syrian government. What these guys prescribe would, though, be a disaster, in my opinion.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/john-mccain-and-lindsey-graham-to-defeat-islamic-state-remove-assad-1412636762

To Defeat Islamic State, Remove Assad
Syrians are already asking why we’re bombing ISIS but not stopping Assad’s attacks on them. Good question.

By JOHN MCCAIN And LINDSEY GRAHAM
Oct. 6, 2014 7:06 p.m. ET

The airstrikes and other actions President Obama is taking against Islamic State deserve bipartisan support. They are beginning to degrade the terrorist group, also known as ISIS, but will not destroy it, for one reason above all: The administration still has no effective policy to remove Bashar Assad from power and end the conflict in Syria.

Administration officials have called their approach “ISIS first.” As for Mr. Assad, in the words of Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the administration will “defer that challenge into the future.” This is not a luxury we get to choose. And Mr. Obama himself recently said he does “recognize the contradiction” in his own policy—which is that by confronting Islamic State but not Assad, the U.S. may unintentionally benefit the ruler whose ouster he continues, rightly, to demand.

Unfortunately, this is not the only self-defeating contradiction in the administration’s Syria policy.

After Islamic State stormed into Iraq in June, Mr. Obama argued that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ’s alienation of Sunnis had strengthened the terrorist group. Destroying Islamic State in Iraq, the administration suggested, required Mr. Maliki’s removal and an inclusive new government. Why not the same urgency about Syria?

Mr. Assad all but created Islamic State through his slaughter of nearly 200,000 Syrians, and he has knowingly allowed the group to grow and operate with impunity inside the country when it suits his purposes. Until we confront this reality, we can continue to degrade Islamic State in Syria, but Mr. Assad’s barbarism will continue to empower it.

This points to another contradiction: How can we arm and train 5,000 Syrians and expect them to succeed against Islamic State without protecting them (and their families) from Assad’s airstrikes and barrel bombs? Or expect moderate groups in Syria fighting Islamic State to take advantage of U.S. airstrikes if we do not coordinate or communicate our operations with them? This is reportedly not happening. Instead, Mr. Assad is exploiting U.S. airstrikes to kill the very people we want as our partners. This is not just a recipe for failure; it is immoral.

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A dangerous and pernicious op-ed from McCain and Graham itching for war with Syria (Original Post) Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 OP
That would unleash chaos CJCRANE Oct 2014 #1
Fuck them. Who replaces Assad? Invade Syria, replace Assad, profit? neverforget Oct 2014 #2
White Noise Principled Peter Oct 2014 #3
I would really love to meet the people that do, interview them and littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #4
Why don't Democrats expose these profiteers of war malaise Oct 2014 #5
All Wars Are Bankers Wars Ichingcarpenter Oct 2014 #6

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. That would unleash chaos
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:49 AM
Oct 2014

just like in Libya (and Iraq).

Although I'm beginning to think that this is all a Punch & Judy puppet show for our benefit.




littlemissmartypants

(22,695 posts)
4. I would really love to meet the people that do, interview them and
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:24 AM
Oct 2014

Create a documentary. Anyone?

~ littlemissmartypants 🙇

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. All Wars Are Bankers Wars
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:04 AM
Oct 2014

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John J. McCloy, President of the Chase Manhattan Bank, and President of the World Bank, was named to the Warren Commission, presumably to make certain the banking dimensions behind the assassination were concealed from the public.

In 2012, the Federal Reserve attempted to rebuff a Freedom of Information Lawsuit by Bloomberg News on the grounds that as a private banking corporation and not actually a part of the government, the Freedom of Information Act did not apply to the "trade secret" operations of the Federal Reserve.

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