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The Secret Service didn't hesitate to gun down the unarmed single mom with her child in the car
The unarmed, single mom was suffering from post partum depression. She was shot dead with her 18 month old child in the back seat. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_shooting_incident_(2013)
Yet, the White House fence jumper was allowed to get into the White House!
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Capitol Hill Shooting Update: Miriam Carey, 34, Dental Hygienist suffered from Mental Illness
Miriam Carey, 34, of 114 Woodside Green drove her black Infiniti sedan onto a driveway leading to the White House, over a set of lowered barricades. When Carey couldn't get through a second barrier, she spun the car in the opposite direction, flipping a Secret Service officer over the hood of the car as she sped away, said B.J. Campbell, a tourist from Portland, Ore.
Carey worked as a dental hygienist and according to a local law enforcement official, she suffered from mental illness.
Carey's car at one point had been surrounded by police cars and she managed to escape, careening around a traffic circle and past the north side of the Capitol. Video shot by a TV camerman showed police pointing firearms at her car before she rammed a Secret Service vehicle and continued driving. Lanier said police shot and killed her a block northeast of the historic building.
One Secret Service member and a 23-year veteran of the Capitol Police were injured. Officials said they are in good condition and expected to recover.
Police shot and killed Carey just outside the Hart Senate Office Building, where many senators have their offices. Dine said an officer took the child from the car to a hospital. She is in good condition under protective custody, officials said...
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Stamford-woman-killed-in-Capitol-shooting-4866571.php
to KoKo:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023779820
Your link to the Wikipedi disambiguation page on White House shootings required me to pick out this 2013 event.
The video was posted on DU and the unfortunate woman was driving very fast and erratically, as described in KoKo's OP. It was a chaotic scene.
Going to the event at your link does not disprove what the above story said:
On October 3, 2013 in Washington, D.C. Miriam Carey, 34, a dental hygienist from Stamford, Connecticut, attempted to drive through a White House security checkpoint in her black Infiniti G37 coupe, struck a U.S. Secret Service officer, and was chased by the Secret Service to the United States Capitol where she was fatally shot by law enforcement officers. A young child, Carey's daughter, was found unharmed in the car after it was ultimately stopped...
At about 2:12 PM, a vehicle driven by Miriam Carey allegedly struck one of the White House barriers at the intersection of 15th St. NW and Pennsylvania Avenue NW.[2] At 2:13 p.m. she drove into a well-marked, restricted White House checkpoint at 15th and E Streets NW, without authorization and without stopping, refused to stop when two uniformed Secret Service officers told her to. When an off-duty U.S. Secret Service officer placed a metal bike rack in her path to block her exit, struck the bike rack and the off-duty Secret Service officer who was standing behind it with her car, knocking both the bike rack and the officer onto the ground.[3] Secret Service attempted to arrest the suspect but she continued to drive the car evasively, colliding with one officer who fell on the hood of the car and rolled off.[4][5] Carey then drove 40-80 mph down Pennsylvania Avenue, weaving through traffic and ignoring red lights. Police gave chase east on Pennsylvania Avenue for a dozen blocks. The chase then proceeded south on 1st St. NW/SW between Peace Circle and Garfield traffic circle.
At Garfield Circle, uniformed and plain clothes Secret Service officers attempted to box the car in with at least five marked vehicles and one unmarked cruiser, on United States Capitol grounds, on the sidewalk on the east side of the circle. Four uniformed and two plainclothes officers proceeded to surround the car on foot with guns drawn, shouting orders. Carey eluded the box-in by backing into the Secret Service cruiser behind her and driving away striking a Secret Service officer in the process. The suspect proceeded at high speed north, circling Peace Circle twice and then proceeding east on Constitution Avenue. She got as far as the northeast corner of the Capitol grounds, in the vicinity of the Hart Senate Office Building, where she was forced off the road and stopped near a USCP security hut by the Sewall-Belmont House. During the chase, multiple shots were fired at the car of which five shots hit her from behind including one to the head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Capitol_shooting_incident_%282013%29&printable=yes
I've italicized the Secret Service actions and emboldened the Capitol Police actions. I do not think this event went the way your OP asserts it to have gone down, and she, like the man who jumped the fence, had severe mental health problems that were difficult:
Iraq vet, 42, 'who stormed the White House had more than 800 rounds of ammunition, a machete and two hatchets stashed in his car'
By Lydia Warren, Kieran Corcoran and Wills Robinson - Updated: 22 September 2014
...But relatives have insisted that Gonzalez, from Copperas Cove, Texas, suffers from post traumatic stress disorder after serving three tours in Iraq. He retired after losing part of his foot in an IED blast.
Jerry Murphy, whose mother was married to Gonzalez, said relatives always knew Gonzalez owned a small arsenal of weapons but said they doubted he intended to hurt Obama...
According to agents who arrested him, Gonzalez said that he was desperate to see the President to warn him about 'the atmosphere collapsing...'
His ex-wife said he was very paranoid and began carrying weapons all the time. He was up all night and checking things out. Finally she couldn't take it anymore.
'Omar is a good guy, he's just got some issues that he needs help with. I think this is a cry out for help, what he's done. He really does need help. I just hope he can get it.'
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765650/Iraq-vet-42-stormed-White-House-800-rounds-ammunition-machete-two-hatchets-stashed-car.html#ixzz3E7CmyW4J
For whatever reason, and it is not the fault of the Secret Service, neither had effective mental health care, or else rejected it. I don't see any rush to kill people by the Secret Service, and AFAIK, they drew down on her, but did not shoot her, the Police did that.
You may not feel that it was warranted, but these are not the same kind of events. If you go to the link to see further what the family described about the fence jumper, he was very paranoid, sleepless, on the alert and known by his family to be full of fear.
The case of the woman who was killed is awful and a tragedy for her and her family, particularly that young child. If the fence jumper had done all that the woman who was killed did up and down the streets of the Capitol, I think his outcome would have been the same. He didn't get that far. His family says he did not want to kill Obama. Perhaps she did not want to kill Obama, either. But she was very close to killing someone with her vehicle. It's impossible to know what she was thinking but it had to be something terrible.
It appears there is no news story that tells her full story as the jumper's family has done. We don't know what horrors she was thinking about. I do know people who have suffered with paranoid schizophrenia; they can get very fixed on what they consider to a danger to themselves or others. They try to eliminate that threat. Perhaps this is what motivated both of them.
Both of these people were living in hell, not of their own making, but from falling to a deadly disease. The jumper was tackled and didn't stab anyone with the knife he had. He had ammo and other weapons in his vehicle, but no gun there.
JMHO.
Miriam Carey, 34, of 114 Woodside Green drove her black Infiniti sedan onto a driveway leading to the White House, over a set of lowered barricades. When Carey couldn't get through a second barrier, she spun the car in the opposite direction, flipping a Secret Service officer over the hood of the car as she sped away, said B.J. Campbell, a tourist from Portland, Ore.
Carey worked as a dental hygienist and according to a local law enforcement official, she suffered from mental illness.
Carey's car at one point had been surrounded by police cars and she managed to escape, careening around a traffic circle and past the north side of the Capitol. Video shot by a TV camerman showed police pointing firearms at her car before she rammed a Secret Service vehicle and continued driving. Lanier said police shot and killed her a block northeast of the historic building.
One Secret Service member and a 23-year veteran of the Capitol Police were injured. Officials said they are in good condition and expected to recover.
Police shot and killed Carey just outside the Hart Senate Office Building, where many senators have their offices. Dine said an officer took the child from the car to a hospital. She is in good condition under protective custody, officials said...
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Stamford-woman-killed-in-Capitol-shooting-4866571.php
to KoKo:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023779820
Your link to the Wikipedi disambiguation page on White House shootings required me to pick out this 2013 event.
The video was posted on DU and the unfortunate woman was driving very fast and erratically, as described in KoKo's OP. It was a chaotic scene.
Going to the event at your link does not disprove what the above story said:
On October 3, 2013 in Washington, D.C. Miriam Carey, 34, a dental hygienist from Stamford, Connecticut, attempted to drive through a White House security checkpoint in her black Infiniti G37 coupe, struck a U.S. Secret Service officer, and was chased by the Secret Service to the United States Capitol where she was fatally shot by law enforcement officers. A young child, Carey's daughter, was found unharmed in the car after it was ultimately stopped...
At about 2:12 PM, a vehicle driven by Miriam Carey allegedly struck one of the White House barriers at the intersection of 15th St. NW and Pennsylvania Avenue NW.[2] At 2:13 p.m. she drove into a well-marked, restricted White House checkpoint at 15th and E Streets NW, without authorization and without stopping, refused to stop when two uniformed Secret Service officers told her to. When an off-duty U.S. Secret Service officer placed a metal bike rack in her path to block her exit, struck the bike rack and the off-duty Secret Service officer who was standing behind it with her car, knocking both the bike rack and the officer onto the ground.[3] Secret Service attempted to arrest the suspect but she continued to drive the car evasively, colliding with one officer who fell on the hood of the car and rolled off.[4][5] Carey then drove 40-80 mph down Pennsylvania Avenue, weaving through traffic and ignoring red lights. Police gave chase east on Pennsylvania Avenue for a dozen blocks. The chase then proceeded south on 1st St. NW/SW between Peace Circle and Garfield traffic circle.
At Garfield Circle, uniformed and plain clothes Secret Service officers attempted to box the car in with at least five marked vehicles and one unmarked cruiser, on United States Capitol grounds, on the sidewalk on the east side of the circle. Four uniformed and two plainclothes officers proceeded to surround the car on foot with guns drawn, shouting orders. Carey eluded the box-in by backing into the Secret Service cruiser behind her and driving away striking a Secret Service officer in the process. The suspect proceeded at high speed north, circling Peace Circle twice and then proceeding east on Constitution Avenue. She got as far as the northeast corner of the Capitol grounds, in the vicinity of the Hart Senate Office Building, where she was forced off the road and stopped near a USCP security hut by the Sewall-Belmont House. During the chase, multiple shots were fired at the car of which five shots hit her from behind including one to the head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Capitol_shooting_incident_%282013%29&printable=yes
I've italicized the Secret Service actions and emboldened the Capitol Police actions. I do not think this event went the way your OP asserts it to have gone down, and she, like the man who jumped the fence, had severe mental health problems that were difficult:
Iraq vet, 42, 'who stormed the White House had more than 800 rounds of ammunition, a machete and two hatchets stashed in his car'
By Lydia Warren, Kieran Corcoran and Wills Robinson - Updated: 22 September 2014
...But relatives have insisted that Gonzalez, from Copperas Cove, Texas, suffers from post traumatic stress disorder after serving three tours in Iraq. He retired after losing part of his foot in an IED blast.
Jerry Murphy, whose mother was married to Gonzalez, said relatives always knew Gonzalez owned a small arsenal of weapons but said they doubted he intended to hurt Obama...
According to agents who arrested him, Gonzalez said that he was desperate to see the President to warn him about 'the atmosphere collapsing...'
His ex-wife said he was very paranoid and began carrying weapons all the time. He was up all night and checking things out. Finally she couldn't take it anymore.
'Omar is a good guy, he's just got some issues that he needs help with. I think this is a cry out for help, what he's done. He really does need help. I just hope he can get it.'
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765650/Iraq-vet-42-stormed-White-House-800-rounds-ammunition-machete-two-hatchets-stashed-car.html#ixzz3E7CmyW4J
For whatever reason, and it is not the fault of the Secret Service, neither had effective mental health care, or else rejected it. I don't see any rush to kill people by the Secret Service, and AFAIK, they drew down on her, but did not shoot her, the Police did that.
You may not feel that it was warranted, but these are not the same kind of events. If you go to the link to see further what the family described about the fence jumper, he was very paranoid, sleepless, on the alert and known by his family to be full of fear.
The case of the woman who was killed is awful and a tragedy for her and her family, particularly that young child. If the fence jumper had done all that the woman who was killed did up and down the streets of the Capitol, I think his outcome would have been the same. He didn't get that far. His family says he did not want to kill Obama. Perhaps she did not want to kill Obama, either. But she was very close to killing someone with her vehicle. It's impossible to know what she was thinking but it had to be something terrible.
It appears there is no news story that tells her full story as the jumper's family has done. We don't know what horrors she was thinking about. I do know people who have suffered with paranoid schizophrenia; they can get very fixed on what they consider to a danger to themselves or others. They try to eliminate that threat. Perhaps this is what motivated both of them.
Both of these people were living in hell, not of their own making, but from falling to a deadly disease. The jumper was tackled and didn't stab anyone with the knife he had. He had ammo and other weapons in his vehicle, but no gun there.
JMHO.
