lets call this shit by the right name. assassination attempts.

[mopinko]

to call shots hitting the truman balcony, and a nut who would have made it to the family quarters if he hadnt missed the turn anything but assassination attempts is just bullshit.

BULL.SHIT.

lying by omission at its finest.

[femmocrat]

1. I agree.

Why else would someone shoot seven bullets into the level of the family's residence, from such a distance? They were not hunting squirrels.

It is a national disgrace that that person was not hunted down and prosecuted.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. That person got 25 years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-who-shot-at-white-house-sentenced-to-25-years/

[femmocrat]

22. Thank you for the correction.

I have been listening to too much TV and missed some of the details! I thought it was recently.

[savalez]

47. Oh boy...

he was under the misguided belief that Armageddon was coming

Wacko.

[mopinko]

50. like i said, bush leave behinds.

tongue in cheek, kinda, sorta, um, gog and magog and yeah.

[onenote]

6. Maybe before you label something a national disgrace

you should check the facts. Just a friendly suggestion.

[mopinko]

2. people here blaming it on obama.

of all the things i wish i could unread........

[calimary]

4. Unbelievable. Disgusting, isn't it?

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I thought Obama haters belonged on the freeper/Pox/breitbart sites...

I'm sorry to say this but they remind me of my late mother. God rest her soul in peace with the angels! But NOTHING I DID was ever good enough. NOT EVER. Mainly because I was fat and didn't care that much about my appearance when I was younger. NOTHING I DID was ever good enough for her. I got straight A's. ALWAYS made the honor roll. NEVER got in trouble. NEVER dated some asshole they had reason to hate or distrust. NEVER drank or smoked cigarettes - OR pot. NEVER ditched school. NEVER got arrested or stayed out all night or made them worry or ran around with a bad crowd or ANYTHING. Nevertheless, she would ALWAYS find fault. Of course I was not perfect, so she was able to find a LOT to criticize. And she did, with relish. She insisted on perfect while the best I could come up with was merely good - NEVER enough to get close to satisfying her. And later on when I'd grown up and moved out, graduated college with good grades, started my career, and found a good guy with whom I set up a stable marriage, AND lost weight, too, she STILL was able to find fault. She still criticized me - til the very end. Even literally almost on her deathbed (about a year before she passed), she still made it clear to me that she didn't, couldn't, and WOULDN'T EVER accept me just as I am. She was world-class in that particular "talent."

As I write this, I realize this is probably what leads me to post all the stuff I've posted in the past either defending support for Obama or support for Hillary or SOMEONE/SOMETHING that has an actual chance to win, rather than the pure and perfect that only the connoisseurs and perfectionists among us find worthy and for whom/for which they resolutely hold out, either to "send a message" or prove some "point".

[mopinko]

7. stunning i would say.

i mean, shit.....

[calimary]

12. Fucking TIRESOME is what I'd say.

I swear, mopinko, sometimes I just wanna grab some of 'em and shake 'em and say "GET YER HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS!!!!! AND DOWN HERE WITH YER FEET ON THE GROUND WITH THE REST OF US!!!!!

And GRANTED, the ground IS dirty and so are our feet. And when we stumble, we stub our dirty toes, but we can still slog along and maybe still, actually, have a chance to get somewhere and accomplish SOMETHING. But when you're up there in the idealistic perfection-only clouds and you stumble, you crash thousands of feet down to earth and burn to a crisp and you WON'T be able to "slog along and maybe still, actually, have a chance" to get ANYWHERE 'cause you'll be fucking DEAD.

I appreciate some of the motives of the idealists and those who just have to have it perfect. But sometimes you've just simply gotta be PRACTICAL!!!!

[mopinko]

39. AMEN. people have to DDOO!

i dont care what you actually do, just get up off your ass. see things on the ground and realize your simplistic world is just a mirage.
jeebus.

[sunnystarr]

56. AMEN and a few hundred thousand more AMENs (nt)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

52. Sounds like my friend when her mother was in the hospital dying.

Her mother said, "Susie, you need to get out of here. You need to go home and WORK!!!"

[LawDeeDah]

13. w.t.f. NO! HOLY SHITE. please, say you made a typo

because if I find one I will blow a gasket on it and get banned.

fucking shit!

[mopinko]

14. i wish. he hired janet napalitano, see, so

it's all his fault.
i wish i could say i was shitting. i really, really do.

[mopinko]

16. see reply 11

[Iggo]

19. It's Obama's fault now?

Dammit! I just got used to its being a Secret Service plot.

But now it's an Obama plot? To assassinate Obama?

Damn, that's clever! I never would have suspected him of plotting against his own self.

[BobbyBoring]

37. 13 dimension chess!

He's a master!

[mopinko]

40. and his family, dont forget that.

i mean, think how eligible he will be when he gets out of the white house, and doesnt have to take the ball and chain with.
how much fun would that be?

[ashling]

42. Did you see the Politico piece?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025608071

[KurtNYC]

5. echoes of the past

from about 1:30 on, a former secret service agent gives details of his experience guarding JFK

[mopinko]

9. secret service should all resign when a new pres is elected.

no holdovers. none.
i dont care how much it costs to train up new agents. it shouldnt be a long term assignment, anyway. people dont stay sharp. people start to wear down, to make friends that they want to keep happy, like ushers.

and most of all, i want to know how many active agents are holdovers from/connected to bush/cheney.

[former9thward]

11. Your post is ridiculous.

SS officers are hired professionally through civil service. They are not appointed by the President or anyone else. To lose countless years of experience would be insane. If you think there are problems now, it would be the keystone cops with your suggestion.

[mopinko]

15. your post is ridiculous.

it isnt rocket science. we have legions of highly trained security people who could learn the job in a reasonable amount of time.
and you offer no solution. just more of the same.

[former9thward]

23. How about everyone in the federal government resign?

If the SS is not rocket science then almost all federal jobs are not rocket science either. All resign including the military. I did not know this had turned into anarchist underground.

[mopinko]

32. how about all the straw men resign? cuz

yeah, delivering mail and serving in the military are the same as guarding the president.

why are you defending these people? they are nothing less than traitors who abandoned their posts.

[LawDeeDah]

17. Can you imagine the problems if something happened to the Obamas?

You want problems, you will get chaotic ones. I like this President, a lot, but I wouldn't want anything like that to happen to Any President, even if I gut hated him or her as much as Bush the Junior. It would be chaos. But then some people want to have that, to scortch the earth and start over ina garden of friggin eden they think.

[LawDeeDah]

20. Sure, SS slackers losing their jobs is worse than the Obama's losing their safety.

jesuz.

[former9thward]

21. So 100% should resign?

How about apply that to all federal government. Everyone resigns when there is a new President including the military. Want that?

[LawDeeDah]

25. People are shocked and reacting like they are in shock

Why is that something to make fun of?
Why are you doing this?

[former9thward]

27. I was not the one who said everyone should resign.

And the poster was serious. Is that your position??? Why are YOU doing this???

[LawDeeDah]

28. I'm just wondering if in the past you were a general supporter of President Obama.

Of course, you don't have to answer.

When people are upset that the President could have been in danger and want a clean slate, that's understandable to anyone with feelings. There were so many instances and so many SS that Knew about these lacks in security - what kind of popsicle stand were they running? Were they being paid to be slackers, were some of them bigoted fucks and flew under the radar when applying? Was this a second job for some where the first was working for some behemoth rich shit that was testing the waters of security? A whole lot of people were involved in this and if an SS person takes their jobs so lightly they should get their pimply ass fired on the spot and further investigations should be done as to who else knew what and did what when.

And I don't care in the least of your opinion on my opinion.

[heaven05]

48. well your question

stopped all that silliness. Thank you.

[LiberalArkie]

35. A valid point. The past presidential detail could rotate out to the normal Secret Service details.

A very small part of the SS is the presidential detail. I believe mot of the SS deals with the U.S. Treasury and currency.

[elehhhhna]

8. and today's news - armed felon on elevator w/ Obama at CDC visit. WTH?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-rode-in-elevator-with-armed-convicted-felon-1412114785

[mopinko]

10. anybody who didnt see rachel last night needs to go watch the whole segment.

starting with the freaks that snuck into the first state dinner, the sign language interpreter at mandela's funeral, to where the guys who should have been stationed by the guy who landed bullets on the FUCKING TRUMAN BALCONY.

this is not one or 2 lapses. this is a STRING. of the sort that, were it looked at in light of a dead president, would, i believe, have profound repercussions, none of them good.

heads better roll. and i agree w lawrence o'donnell, the head of the ss should have tendered her resignation. that omission alone is reason to FIRE HER ASS.

[femmocrat]

24. That was an excellent segment.

Rachel is so thorough.

[hugo_from_TN]

29. I will be baffled if she is not fired.

[tularetom]

31. So who should fire her?

Wouldn't that be her boss, the Director of Fatherland Security? And who does the Director work for? Isn't that the President?

So why is she still there? Why in light of all this, has there been no shakeup in the Secret Service?

There is only one person with the ability to change this situation and that is President Obama. You can't blame Boner, McConnell, McCaingraham, Palin, Fox News, Cheney or anyone else for the fact that this incompetent hack still has a job.

When you post FIRE HER ASS here, you're preaching to the choir. The person who needs to hear that, is the President. I don't think he likes to fire people but why he wouldn't act in this case is ridiculous. If it makes you feel better I will volunteer to do the President's job for him and fire her, but somehow I doubt that it will stick.

[Aerows]

18. I saw that earlier

That is beyond incompetent. What are they, former mall security guards? I apologize to any mall security guards I offended by comparing them to the Secret Service.

[mopinko]

34. ^^^^

i've seen mall cops way more dedicated to their jobs.

[samsingh]

26. i agree with you

[Nye Bevan]

30. The Secret Service head should resign or be fired.

What an utterly disastrous tenure she has had.

[Hutzpa]

41. On an hindsight

it shows the guys in suits do not trust her or want her as head of the SS can be the only reason I can come up with.

[Nye Bevan]

55. Whoa. My wish came true (nt)

[Hutzpa]

33. Twice!

makes one wonder what the fuck is going on.

[mopinko]

36. two attempts, a basketful of breaches.

drunk agents, superiors sending agents on white house detail to help his girlfriend, all that can go wrong has gone wrong, except for an attempt to succeed.

what the FUCKING FUCK.
and people here defending the ss. amazing.

[mother earth]

38. Attempts, or warnings? Security breachs by design? In a broken democracy, same shit, different

day.

At the very least, wake up calls to those who still believe in the illusion.

[Enthusiast]

43. I thought the same thing.

The FBI should take the head of the secret service into custody.

[mostlyconfused]

44. Would it be appropriate to call it workplace violence?

Some pretty nasty stuff has gone down recently which has been described as workplace violence. Is that what we should call this?

Or should I just hide under my desk now?

[former9thward]

45. The 11 Worst White House Breaches of All Time.

Here's a look back at some of the most egregious breaches at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue:

1. July 1976: Chester Plummer Armed with a 3-foot-long metal pipe, Chester Plummer, 30, climbed the 8t-foot fence and advanced toward the White House in July 1976.After reportedly menacing a Secret Security agent, he was shot in the chest and died 90 minutes later.

2. October 1978: Anthony Henry Dressed in a white karate uniform, Anthony Henry, 35, scaled the fence and charged the North Portico in an attempt to convince President Carter to remove the phrase "in God we trust" from U.S. currency.When officers approached, Henry adopted a karate stance and whipped a knife out of the bible he was carrying. He slashed one officer in the face and another in the arm before being wrestled to the ground.

4. January 1985: Robert LattaJust a few hours before President Ronald Reagan's second inauguration in 1985, Robert Latta, 45, sauntered into the White House with the Marine Corps band and wandered around for about 15 minutes before being apprehended by Secret Service."I just walked in with the band," he told the Associated Press. "I was just going in to see the ceremony."

5. September 1994: Frank Eugene CorderIn September 1994, during President Clinton's first term, former Army mechanic Frank Eugene Corder allegedly stole a single-engine Cessna airplane and crashed it on the South Lawn. The plane skidded across the lawn and slammed into a wall just below the presidential bedroom. Corder, reportedly intoxicated at the time, was the sole fatality.6. October 1994: Francisco Martin Duran About a month later, Francisco Martin Duran, 26, pulled a rifle from under his trench coat and opened fire, unleashing at least 29 rounds at the White House, where President Clinton was watching football. When he stopped to reload, passersby managed to tackle and subdue him.Duran later claimed he was attempting to save the world from an alien "mist." He was convicted of attempted assassination and sentenced to 40 years in prison.


More at link.

Oddly the article leaves out #3 and #6 -- or maybe misnumbered?

http://abc13.com/news/the-11-worst-white-house-security-breaches-of-all-time/320021/

[watoos]

46. Uh, I worked at a machine shop

where you had to have a security card to get in the front door. Once in the front door you still needed that card to get into the main area of the shop. We just made glass bottle machines and our security, getting into the main area of the shop, seems to be tighter than White House security.

[mopinko]

51. i guess folks start to get cocky.

i mean, they work at the whitehouse.
that's how it looks to me. when an usher can tell the ss to turn off a security alarm, there is some deep drama happenin.

[shenmue]

49. I know

This freaks me out.

[mfcorey1]

53. And if Gonzalez mysteriously dies, we know that he's being hushed. (Tin foil hat on!)

[Politicalboi]

54. SS detail should be picked from military

Young soldiers who aren't bent in either direction. That have been vetted, and really want the job. They should have no family and live on site like a barracks. Serve 2 years, and quit if you want, or continue on. All you think about ALL day is protecting the President. No texting while on the job of ANY kind unless it's job related. It should pay well for your sacrifice away from family except maybe 4 weeks vacation a year.