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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:16 PM Sep 2014

If the Dallas-Ebola patient knew or at least suspected he had Ebola before boarding that plane to

the United States, should there be consequences? How many people did he expose? Hundreds? Thousands? Is anyone investigating the time table of his flight into the US? Was the ticket purchased weeks in advance or at the last minute?

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If the Dallas-Ebola patient knew or at least suspected he had Ebola before boarding that plane to (Original Post) apples and oranges Sep 2014 OP
Unless he joined the mile high club he likely didn't "expose" any of them. It's spread by fluids. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #1
Because it's so easy to clean your hands after using an aircraft toilet. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #3
People keep looking for increasingly unlikely reasons to panic. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #5
The Flu HAS mutated and killed millions. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #6
That's my point. Nobody panics about that, and it's entirely more likely. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #7
Which again... MohRokTah Sep 2014 #8
How do viruses mutate? LisaL Sep 2014 #9
Mutations occur randomly. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #10
The 1918 flu MFM008 Oct 2014 #19
Not only do they not freak out about it, they refuse to get vaccinated. Barack_America Oct 2014 #18
He was supposedly still in an incubation period when he got onto the plane. LisaL Sep 2014 #2
Oh, FFS! Get a fucking grip! scarletwoman Sep 2014 #4
Your vote is for no consequences. Got it! apples and oranges Sep 2014 #11
No, my vote is for rational thinking. scarletwoman Sep 2014 #13
So we are immune from the infectious diseases because we are not a third world country? LisaL Sep 2014 #14
Forget it. Go ahead and freak out if that's what gets you off. scarletwoman Oct 2014 #15
While there might be a desire for consequences - this is also the fastest way to keep people from jwirr Sep 2014 #12
I swear, every friggin' relative Chicken Little ever had is hanging out at DU tonight. WillowTree Oct 2014 #16
You might get the flu on Friday, better not go to work tomorrow. Barack_America Oct 2014 #17

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
1. Unless he joined the mile high club he likely didn't "expose" any of them. It's spread by fluids.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:20 PM
Sep 2014

It's not like the flu, you're not contagious until you're symptomatic.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
3. Because it's so easy to clean your hands after using an aircraft toilet.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:24 PM
Sep 2014

At least there's the requirement that the patient is symptomatic with Ebola to be contagious.

As far as we know.

Viruses can mutate. Let's hope that any mutations with this one weakens its ability to be transmitted.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. People keep looking for increasingly unlikely reasons to panic.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:30 PM
Sep 2014

The flu could mutate and kill millions too, but lay people don't freak out about that. Ebola combines a lot of things Americans are wildly irrational about: disease, bodily fluids, poverty, people of color. What it doesn't feature is a transmission mechanism that's going to do well in a first world society.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. The Flu HAS mutated and killed millions.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:31 PM
Sep 2014

It's happened before.

It will happen again.

It's a fact of life.

I'd rather see a mutated form of Ebola that is even more difficult to transmit, as my post you responded to expresses.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
7. That's my point. Nobody panics about that, and it's entirely more likely.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:34 PM
Sep 2014

Ebola panic is irrational if you live in the developed world.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
9. How do viruses mutate?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:36 PM
Sep 2014

Viruses want to survive, so mutation that makes transmission less likely is not effective.
It's the other way around.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Mutations occur randomly.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:40 PM
Sep 2014

We have a single case in the US.

It is as likely that the virus contained in a single person in the US to mutate in a form that is unviable for transmission as a mutation that makes transmission easier.

The mutation which makes transmission less likely is unlikely to survive

The mutation which makes transmission more likely is likely to survive.

In a population of a single affected individual, either mutation is as likely to occur.

Again, mutations are random. It can go in any direction, but the outcome is limited due to the population size.

Mutations are not determinate on viability, only the survivability of such mutations are determinate on viability.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
18. Not only do they not freak out about it, they refuse to get vaccinated.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:16 AM
Oct 2014

Can't trust big pharma and all. But I'm sure they'd gladly accept an Ebola vaccine if it were available.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
2. He was supposedly still in an incubation period when he got onto the plane.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:22 PM
Sep 2014

So he wouldn't know he had it. Now, whether he knew that he was exposed to it (anyone close to him getting sick?) that is another story.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
13. No, my vote is for rational thinking.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

I'm not the least bit fond of panicky fear-mongering.

However messed up our economic system is, the U.S. is not a third world country.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
15. Forget it. Go ahead and freak out if that's what gets you off.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:05 AM
Oct 2014

Obviously, there's no difference at all between conditions in the U.S. and those in west Africa.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. While there might be a desire for consequences - this is also the fastest way to keep people from
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:54 PM
Sep 2014

asking for help.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
16. I swear, every friggin' relative Chicken Little ever had is hanging out at DU tonight.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:08 AM
Oct 2014

He was asymptomatic until 4 days after he arrived here. Why would he know or even suspect that he had it?

The man is critically ill. It would be nice if a few more folks would be thinking the good thought for him instead of trying to find a way to fear and/or demonize him.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
17. You might get the flu on Friday, better not go to work tomorrow.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:14 AM
Oct 2014

Don't want to infect your coworkers with a disease you don't yet know you have.

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