oh for all the heaven's sake!!! Dallas, Presbyterian Hospital? EBOLA!!!

[7wo7rees]

This is not happening!!!

Traveled here from Liberia,tested positive on the 28th and isolated. Oh for f's sake. Done, it is here. They just keep repeating it is all ok. We will stop it here. You sorry sons of bitches. You can't and you won't.

Dallas, Tx.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Relax

It's probably best not to panic about this and approach this in a cautious and scientific manner.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Yes it is

I hope the patient recovers and he had limited contact while contagious. Sad for anyone who gets this.

[CoffeeCat]

90. An area of concern...

...is that this man went to the hospital when he was very sick. He had symptoms, so he was very contagious. He was sent home with antibiotics after being examined in the ER.

Medical personnel examined this man and came in close contact with him. What about the people on the waiting room?

Those medical personnel who examined and discharged this man, most likely came in contact with hundreds of patients during the next few days.

Seems like this situation is fairly serious.

[Texasgal]

3. Oh good god...relax. n/t

[7wo7rees]

7. yep, you too. totally calm and have been expecting,you?

[Texasgal]

16. The flu kills thousands of people

a year. I don't tend to see much concern by way of our community when it comes to that.

It was really inevitable that Ebola would find it's way here with global travel so prevalent in our society now days. I hope the patient survives.

[customerserviceguy]

67. That's the problem

With current procedures, yes, it was inevitable. Given that, why didn't the President change the procedures, in fact even keep ANYONE from Africa from travelling to the US in the last few months? Maybe because he sympathizes more with Africans that with Americans?

That's the October surprise the Repukes are going to spin. And they have three 24/7 'news' networks who will be only too willing to run with the ball for them.

Flu isn't scary, Ebola is.

[Texasgal]

70. Excuse me?

Flu isn't scary? Really?

You tell that to the family of someone that died because over it...including a large portion of children!

[customerserviceguy]

71. Compared to what the mass media will whip up over Ebola

No. Americans are familiar with flu, and most don't know anyone who has died from it.

However, if this ebola spreads to other people in contact with this one traveller, then you ain't see nothing yet with what the media is going to do with this story. And all in the month before the election.

Hope like hell that it stays with this one person, and no more cases arrive on our shores. The wingnuts will find a way to blame it on the President, and by extension, the Democratic Party. Reason and sanity will not have a chance to prevail until after the election. Perhaps you remember the hysteria over AIDS some thirty or so years ago?

[Texasgal]

75. I agree.. the freak out

over this ONE dude with ebola is seriously deluded compared to the issue of influenza.

[customerserviceguy]

76. Thanks for understanding my post

It assumes that the media will go hysterical, and the mushy middle (who are so politically clueless that they decide the weekend befor an election) will be consumed with irrational fear.

Yes, flu will kill many more people in this country than Ebola ever will, but it's a damned inconvenient time for this story to have happened here.

[kestrel91316]

80. I can't believe that the admins let "Obama is a Kenyan" types like you stay on here.

[kestrel91316]

79. The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate.

You'd better hope the patient and his family don't lie or otherwise mislead public health investigators.

My money is on them lying. I have prior experience with a public health investigation over a rabid cat many years ago where the cat's owners LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH for unknown reasons, putting dozens of lives at risk.

[elehhhhna]

28. Houston, here,

Been expecting this for weeks. Oil and gas are HOT in W Africa - thus lots of folks traveling to and fro, not to mention the many professional class Africans who live and work here in O&G. I figured it would be here, actually - and particuliarly mid-Sept, when families return from their holidays "back home" and the kids go to school.

Settle down.

[Texasgal]

34. It's not shocking at all

I assumed that Houston would be the first place it would come as well.

I hope the patient survives.

[seabeyond]

37. my brother lives in houston, works oil. been asked to go to west africa, but

he has been sticking in europe. so, ya. not that you all mention it. that is very true.

[Texasgal]

38. Houston also has a huge West African community

as well.

Not shocked that it's Texas though, we have alot of global movers and shakers here.

[snooper2]

113. a lot of people here don't think there is any diversity in Texas..just dumb rednecks

I guess that is what happens when you don't travel outside your little sanctuary

[CoffeeCat]

91. Why did you guess Houston?

I'm curious why you though that Ebola would come to Houston first?

[Texasgal]

97. Lot's of West Africans Travel

there for the Oil and Gas industry.

[cali]

4. oh for fuck's sake. Hysterical much?

[7wo7rees]

12. Really Cali? From you?

[cali]

18. absolutely from me. There is no danger of an ebola epidemic in the U.S.

Hysterics about a non-existent threat are not a good thing.

[Union Scribe]

21. It already is an epidemic.

The CDC's definition is: "The occurrence of more cases of disease than expected in a given area or among a specific group of people over a particular period of time."

[cali]

26. I specified "in the United States". And it is not an epidemic here.

[Union Scribe]

29. Yes, it is.

Read that definition again. Then ask yourself how many cases of Ebola are typical in the US. One can be an epidemic if zero cases were typical. If people are going to pretend to be epidemiology experts, they can at least try to use the correct language in telling the rest of us there's nothing to see here.

[kestrel91316]

83. I don't know any epidemiologists who would call a single case an "epidemic".

[Union Scribe]

93. Well here's one

Feel free to take it up with the CDC, and the Dean of Medicine at the University of Hong Kong, who is currently teaching a course on Epidemics on edX.

with this in the very first lecture:

You will also note in this definition the phrase "in excess of normal expectancy". For example, even a single case of smallpox today would, by definition, constitute an epidemic because our current expectancy for the occurrence of smallpox is zero.

No offense, but they have more cred than you or me or anyone here.

[kestrel91316]

100. Smallpox has been eradicated, so a single case would constitute a global health emergency.

Ebola, while technically rare, has not been eradicated. The use of the term epidemic is not appropriate to the single US case.

And yes, I am a medical professional. I know how to use the language. My skills go a bit beyond googling, cutting, and pasting.

[kestrel91316]

82. There IS a risk of an epidemic of ebola in a nation with 350 million humans with

zero immunity to it.

Is it likely? I don't know.

Is our public health system able to address it adequately? Yes, as long as numbers remain low.

Does the public health system's investigation and control of ebola depend highly on victims and families being truthful to investigators? ABSOLUTELY.

Are those people likely to be truthful? In my experience, NO.

I learned in 1987 that even people exposed to rabies who know vital information about the animal and other exposed people will LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH to investigators.

And the gubmint haters and black helicopter crowd and science deniers and armageddonists will be the first to lie, along with frightened, superstitious foreigners.

Just sayin'.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Easy, Mr. Little, just take a deep breath.

[JoePhilly]

6. Time to wall in Texas I guess.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Stop it!!!

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Gov. Perry, seal the borders.

Oh wait, that didn't go so well, did it?....................

[Silent3]

14. I was for that before ebola.

[In_The_Wind]

15. sigh

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[calimary]

17. Well, it isn't Ebola that makes me want to do THAT...

Frankly, the one thing about this that worries me (other than the usual, of course) is that this is now a talking point. The assholes on the other side can point to this and say - "SEE!?!?!??!?? Texas!!!! It came OVER THE BORDER with those damned illegal aliens!!!! JUST LIKE WE SAID!!!!!" And even though, when you read past the screaming headlines - and you see this was an individual who flew in from West Africa and had nothing to do with the immigrant crossings at the Texas/Mexico border - the idiots who believe only what Pox Noise and the liar-limbaugh&co clones tell them will swallow this whole. Without even chewing. It's liable to feed the idiocy faster than anybody can stop it - OR Ebola.

[7wo7rees]

22. No it came in on a plane. Traveler from Liberia. Not from south of the border. Nice try though.

Peace always to you, and with the most respect.
Sherry

[Adsos Letter]

60. You need to reread what the poster you are responding to posted...

...before you start with the insults.

[Ishoutandscream2]

42. Yeah, DU is having a hard on for this, I'm sure

And coming from an Eagles' fan, this kind of comment doesn't surprise me. I'm sure the only thing that would make you happier is if an atomic bomb was dropped on Dallas.

[Blue_Tires]

57. If it's any consolation

I'd put San Antonio and Houston as higher bomb target priorities than DFW...

[MohRokTah]

10. I guess the preppers are gonna gloat for a bit. eom

[cbayer]

11. What in the world are you going on about?

There is a verified case of a deadly virus in the US. That's a big deal.

Sounds like they are taking it very seriously and doing everything they can to stop any spread.

Do you really think that the people in Dallas can't and won't do that?

[hlthe2b]

13. Tune down the panic.. US hospital infection control procedures and epidemiological disease control

measures can and will contain this, just as we have SARS and MERS cases and every other emerging infection, of which there have been several in recent years. The big advantage with Ebola (as opposed to SARS and MERS) is that patients are symptomatic when they are infectious and Ebola is not air-borne. The fact this patient was not symptomatic on the plane bodes well that no on the plane, at least was exposed. Health officials will still very closely track and quarantine any contact exposures among friends/family members since arrival. (Note EXPOSED non-ill contacts are quarantined. Ill exposed contacts are placed in isolation. The difference in these two terms is frequently confusing to many)

[7wo7rees]

25. I did not panic! I just said oh for fuck's sake. Not Dallas. That is all. n/t

[Union Scribe]

33. I'm glad you're so confident.

What happens in the hospital isn't so much a concern as is what happens outside of it, by the way.

[hlthe2b]

59. ...

30 years experience with infectious disease diagnostics, infectious disease epidemiology and disease control.

[Adsos Letter]

61. Please, hlthe2b...

...you're interfering with the hysteria.

[Union Scribe]

96. I see little to no hysteria.

I do see some people trying to act like there's nothing whatsoever to be even remotely concerned about and comparing it with relatively innocuous diseases, which is idiotic.

[Union Scribe]

95. Again, that's great inside the hospital.

People in public places aren't following hospital protocols. That's where any spread would happen.

[kestrel91316]

85. I think the medical personnel will do just fine. What worries me,

and worries me A LOT, is the possibility of victim(s) and/or contacts LYING to the public health investigators about their activities and whereabouts.

That happened with the rabies case I diagnosed in 1987 and so I know it can and does happen, even in the case of a 100% fatal disease.

Humans can be complete asswipes.

[Vinca]

19. This might be the time to address the fact Texas has the highest rate of uninsured.

If someone who might have been on Medicaid becomes ill, they're apt to stay home thinking it's the flu.

[Cali_Democrat]

24. +1000

Perry rejected Medicaid expansion...because....Obama.

Millions of them screwed.

They have the highest uninsured rate in the country.

[elehhhhna]

32. This is the part that worries me, as a Texan.

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. That's exactly what the Secret Service wanted.

Plug an ebola victim in a red state, let thousands get infected, and hope that one of the infected will
get on a plane, fly to DC, jump the White House fence, and INFECT THE PRESIDENT.

[TBF]

74. OK, that was funny. nt

[Marrah_G]

20. Calm down

The sky is not falling.

[seabeyond]

23. fug... and i am only 6 hours away. would prefer a couple day drive in between me and it. nt

[tammywammy]

27. Ha, I'm 30 min away.

I just texted a friend that lives in Dallas proper that he's probably gonna die.

[seabeyond]

31. .....

[Texasgal]

39. LOL!

Time for happy hour!

[tammywammy]

44. Thank god I work in Ft Worth.

I'm safe. Haha.

[snooper2]

114. Well, at work right now I'm just 20 :)

[LostOne4Ever]

30. Ebola is about as contagious as Hep-C

Ill worry about it right after I get done panicking about Hep-C.

[Union Scribe]

36. Odd

I don't usually see Hepatitis patients transported in specially made pods surrounded by workers wearing respirators and anti-contamination coveralls. They're probably all overreacting, I guess.

[LostOne4Ever]

45. Hep-C does not have the mortality rate of Ebola

They simply don't want to risk getting anyone else sick.

So unless you have an occupation or activities that puts you at risk of things like Hep-C, then you are more likely to shorten your life span worrying about this than you are of actually contracting it.

[Union Scribe]

94. We're talking about how contagious it is, not mortality

And you made the comparison to Hepatitis, not me. So again, if they're equally contagious then that means the workers don't know what they're doing with all that unnecessary protective gear on, a notion which I find difficult to take seriously.

[LostOne4Ever]

99. The reason for the precautions you describe is because of its mortality rate

So it was actually you who changed the subject. They were used because of its mortality rate and to relieve the irrational panic of the public....not because of it there was a risk it spreading.

The comparison to Hep-C with regards to how contagious it is, however, is still completely accurate. Or do you have some actual evidence to suggest otherwise? As opposed to implied fears from the medical professionals being extra cautious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C#Transmission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease#Transmission

Both transmitted via bodily fluids. Neither is airborne.

[LostOne4Ever]

110. They are over-reacting

And alluding to these measures is not evidence of it being more contagious.

[magical thyme]

102. um, no. Hep C is strictly blood-borne. You can pee on me, poop on me, sneeze on me, cry on me,

and you won't give me Hep C.

It requires dirty needle, dirty tattoo, accidental needlestick, contaminated transfusion, etc. to transmit. Rarely it is transmitted sexually or mother to newborn. And most direct exposures do not lead to infection. It takes a fairly high viral load to transmit. Even with a needlestick from known patient, the rates vary from 1.5% to 20+% depending on the viral load, type of needle and how deep the stick went.

With Ebola, all body fluids are potentially infectious, and transmission can be from exposure to mucus membrane, cuts, abrasions, scratches, any opening in the skin. It may persist for a few hours on fomites and in large droplets.

It is also very virulent; whereas Hep C takes a long time to kill you, Ebola does not.

[LostOne4Ever]

111. The word "about" was put in my post intentionally

They are both transmitted by bodily fluids as opposed to being airborne. Ebola has more vectors (vomit, sweat diarrhea, etc.) while Hep C is as you say mainly (probably entirely) blood (with some nebulous associations with sex and transmission from mother to child).

I even gave links in another of my post to transmission so that all of this could be seen here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5608655

The point is that its not something to panic about in a country with health and sanitation standards like ours.

[magical thyme]

112. the point is that Hep C has a significantly lower transmissibility than Ebola

it does not require droplet or contact level precautions.

And chronic Hep C is a slow acting disease with a mortality rate of 20-50%, whereas Ebola is fast acting with a current mortality of 70% treated, with expectation of of dropping to 50% with advanced treatment in this country.

Simply not comparable.

People don't need to panic about Ebola because they are extremely unlikely to be in direct contact with any Ebola patients.

[LostOne4Ever]

115. No it doesn't

Its about the same when it comes to how infectious it is.

The fact that Ebola is fast acting actually makes it LESS contagious than if it were a slow acting virus. It will burn itself out faster and the person will be contagious for a shorter period of time. This makes up for the fact that it has more vectors and gives the two diseases about the same danger of spreading.

Its mortality rate, and how it is handled has nothing to do with my comments.

But if you don't believe me here is NPR and the CDC on the subject:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola

Note that Both Ebola and Hep C have Ro values of 2.

[magical thyme]

116. that it is fast acting is what prevented Ebola from spreading when it was confined to remote

villages and what has kept is R# at 1.5-2. What has caused this epidemic is that it is in densely populated areas with plenty of opportunity to spread.

You don't see doctors and nurses approaching Hep patients in biohazard gear. Just normal PPEs, and you don't have to worry about Hep patients vomiting on you or wear 3 layers of gloves when doing urinalysis or processing fecal matter. With Hep C, only needlesticks are of concern unless you are their sexual partner. There's a reason for that.

"So to stop the chain of transmission, all health workers in Texas have to do is get the people possibly infected by the sick man into isolation before these people show signs of Ebola."

Written clearly by a non-health worker.

[LostOne4Ever]

117. So in other words, exactly as I said

And as I replied to another poster the precautions have more to do with it's mortality rate and public panic than it has do with its infectiousness. In our country its Ro value would probably be lower due to our sanitation regulations. So again, that proves not a single thing I said wrong.

As the doctor from the center on infectious disease said on Colbert last night , to get infected you have to pretty much take your hand and dip it in a patients bodily fluids (mainly blood) and then smear it on your own face to get infected. But I guess you don't think that health worker knew what he was talking about either?

Oh, and the chart is from the CDC and the author is a Phd on Biophysics. OBVIOUSLY she has no clue what she is talking about. Damn these experts!

[magical thyme]

118. I am a med lab tech and therefore potentially exposed

to whatever sick person brings into the 2 EDs I work in.

Damn those lousy frontline people who actually are taking the risks.

I'm familiar with statistics. I'm also familiar with how statistics work in the real world.

[LostOne4Ever]

119. Which has what to do with what I said?

What I said:


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Ill worry about it right after I get done panicking about Hep-C.

What the CDC says:




Now, getting over the fact that you tried to prove how smart you think you are by trying to make someone else look like an idiot when they actually knew full well what they were talking about, how does anything you posted disprove a single thing that I said?

Oh wait, it doesn't. Everything I said is 100% correct and now you are dancing around that fact trying to save face. Going so far as trying to question the knowledge of an author who you didn't even do a simple google search to see their credentials.

You are a med lab tech, wow, good for you. That means you and I have about the exact same amount of college education on the subject. The author, on the other hand, has far more than either of us. She is the type of person you work for, you know, a real scientist.

Ill write an email to her telling her you know more than she does if you want. I'm certain the fact that you think she is wrong will make her quite contrite.

[magical thyme]

120. and as I wrote in means I have real world, hands on experience with how statistics work in the real

world. I don't need you to post your little chart. I've seen it in my own reading. I'd already read the R-values last week on Ebola.

Write your email. I don't give a fuck what your expert claims based on statistics because, for the 3rd time, I understand how they work in the real world.

Don't bother replying. You're going onto ignore.

[LostOne4Ever]

122. You have real world experience and the doctors and Phd's don't?

You don't care what an expert says? Cause you are smarter than every other person on the planet right? If facts disagree with YOU they must be wrong?

Seriously get over yourself.

And im heart broken that you are putting me on ignore. Seriously I think I just might

What am I gonna do without someone trying to tell me I am an idiot on something I am 100% correct on?

[Skidmore]

35. I am slightly more concerned about this entero virus

because it is hitting young kids hard. Two of my grandchildren have asthma and one has been hospitalized several times.

[dflprincess]

77. I agree

and now the CDC is trying to figure out if it's also what is causing muscle weakness and paralysis in some kids in Colorado.

[larkrake]

101. fracking fluid in the water, particularly benzine

[951-Riverside]

40. How many people died of the flu last year in the US? n/t

[Texasgal]

46. 3,000-49,000

From what I am seeing. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

[seabeyond]

47. 3k-49k? big difference. nt

[Texasgal]

48. The difference is

people dying from the Flu and people dying from Flu related problems.

let's say you have the flu, you get fluid built up in your heart because of it and you have a massive heart attack. It's hard to trace that kind of thing. Especially if hospitals and Doctors offices are not saying "the flu" .

[seabeyond]

49. i gotcha. thank you for the explanation. i knew there had to be one. thanks. nt

[kestrel91316]

86. Ebola has a 70%+ mortality rate. And in WA cases are

doubling every 20 days.

I think those stats are a tad different from flu.

[Texasgal]

87. Who has died in US from ebola?

Seriously?

[kestrel91316]

88. How is that relevant? The patient has a 70% chance of death.

Though with our better healthcare it could be as low as 50%.

[kestrel91316]

89. I really get tired of people with ZERO medical/epidemiology/virology

background who go spouting off about deadly viruses.

[DeadLetterOffice]

105. I have moved beyond 'tired' and on to 'pissed.'

Bad information & hysteria serve no one's interests except the 24 hr news networks'

[magical thyme]

103. also, people dying from the flu are immunocompromised or have other severe health issues

Ebola kills (formerly) healthy people.

[longship]

41. Relax! Ebola has been here since the 70's.

Yup! It's mostly been within medical labs with high isolation procedures.

The reason why cases of Ebola traveling by airplane here are not a worry of any kind here is that we still have a population which trusts our medical infrastructure, which is the best on the planet. (Outliers like Jenny McCarthy, RFK Jr., Andrew Wakefield, Oprah Winfrey, Mehmet Oz, Depak Chopra, and other such utter kooks, notwithstanding -- and don't get me started about the homeopaths.)

[Logical]

43. FFS, please self delete this. nt

[7wo7rees]

65. Woukd love to.

Never in my wildest dreams could I ever imagined the responses on this thread. Ever. I wish you all well.

[FSogol]

50. Game over man!

[maryellen99]

69. DUzy

[tridim]

51. Chill out, it's good for your immune system.

[Iggo]

52. What.

[TeeYiYi]

53. k+r for acknowledging...

...that the United States is not immune to ebola.

TYY

[Fred Sanders]

55. Nigeria contained a far worse outbreak, the greatest health care system in the world can also.

[blogslut]

56. O Noes!

A world-class hospital in one of the largest cities in the United States!

[magical thyme]

104. world class hospital that fucked up and sent the patient home to expose more people.

Seriously, I've been waiting for our first case and waiting for our first fuckup. Didn't expect them to be the same one, though.

I figured at least the first couple would be jumped on before we got complacent.

[blogslut]

106. Do we know it was the same hospital?

I still haven't been able to find that out. Do we know that it was Presbyterian that sent him home initially? It's possible that man could have initially gone to another hospital like Parkland.

[magical thyme]

107. I saw it identified as Presbyterian in a couple articles today

here's a quote from one:

"Hospital officials have acknowledged that the patient's travel history wasn't "fully communicated" to doctors, but also said in a statement Wednesday that based on his symptoms, there was no reason to admit him when he first came to the emergency room last Thursday night.

"At that time, the patient presented with low-grade fever and abdominal pain. His condition did not warrant admission. He also was not exhibiting symptoms specific to Ebola," Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html

Apparently he was living just a mile or so down the road from it.

[blogslut]

108. Well, they done fucked up, that is for sure.

I'm betting they and most other hospitals won't do it again.

[magical thyme]

109. the problem is it is individuals, not an institution

either a nurse failed to transmit info or a doctor failed to read it. You get in a hurry and are tired and miss things.

The single most important thing drilled into us in school, for example, is verification of identity. Reporting results after labeling a spec for the wrong patient. I caught myself almost doing it just last week. A senior tech I work with got confused when she'd been running and reporting a series man's test results and then had a spec arrive of his wife's pee. She missed the first name and ran and reported it for the husband. Caught it later on and had to write herself up.

What will happen is the team in question will double-down and check and re-check things. But sooner or later, a slip up will happen again. Not necessarily them, but somebody, somewhere, because we are human, are overstressed, overworked, understaffed, tired, whatever.

[A HERETIC I AM]

58. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Of something.


Sooner or later.

But unless you are in the habit of rubbing against sweaty people you don't know, this ain't it.

[LeftyMom]

62. Your post is gibberish. nt

[7wo7rees]

63. No it is not.

There are more threads related to this.
All i said was oh for F's sake. Not Dallas, not today. You sorry SOB's. That is all. No "gibberish".

Period.

[LeftyMom]

64. Still incoherent.

[7wo7rees]

66. Not. n/t

Oh never mind.

[Sissyk]

73. I think what everyone is saying

is that it seems you are overreacting in your OP, a bit.

It's gonna be okay. Chill a bit.

[Zorra]

68. It is wise to be concerned. People on this board

were mocking those of us who expressed concern about the spread of Ebola in Africa when the epidemic was in its early stages there as well.

[TBF]

72. Well like we say in the football forum -

no worries they can't catch anything in Dallas.

Heh.

[Tree-Hugger]

84. Dammit!

I was just gonna post something similar.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

78. Planning on rolling around in this person's shit?

No? Then calm down, you'll be fine. Turn off cable news and go outside.








p.s. "son of a bitch" is a sexist insult.

[valerief]

81. Well, at least everyone in Texas has guns. The ammosexuals tell us guns save lives.

I'm sure someone will be shooting Ebola soon.

[Adsos Letter]

92. !

[TBF]

98. Now if we could just get the NRA and Ebola in the same room .... nt

[NuclearDem]

121. I think you must be overreacting a bit.