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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe President is not safe.
The incident occurred as Obama appeared at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to discuss the U.S. response to the Ebola crisis.
The contractor did not comply when Secret Service agents asked him to stop using a phone camera to videotape the president in the elevator, according to the people familiar with the incident.
Agents questioned him, and used a database check to learn of his criminal history.
When a supervisor from the private security firm approached and learned of the agents concern, the contractor was fired on the spot and agreed to turn over his gun surprising agents, who had not realized he was armed during his encounter with Obama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/armed-former-convict-was-on-elevator-with-obama-in-atlanta/2014/09/30/76d7da24-48e3-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboPN_p
How the fuck is anyone like this allowed in the same building, let alone an ELEVATOR, with the President?
The Secret Service is at best grossly negligent and incompetent as an institution. And that's assuming all of these failures are isolated incidents.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)sidering the many mole and maggots inside government who are RW zealots. It's just amazing to me that he made it through for a second term. We all know the uncontrolled power of the FBI and CIA and law enforcement in general. I truly admire those among them who are decent, fair-minded citizens doing the jobs they were intended to do. We have lost too many good men by the assassin's hand.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It's like the Secret Service couldn't give a shit if Obama gets killed.
And every one of these will only embolden the REAL assholes who REALLY want to go after the president.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)You can't get on a commercial flight with a gu but you can ride on an elevator with the fucking President armed.
No something is wrong here.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)How could they allow anyone in the elevator with him? And once he took that camera out, he should have been in handcuffs. What is going on?
cornball 24
(1,480 posts)rurallib
(62,444 posts)can cream the quarterback.
Good lord this is scary.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)This seriously borders on LIHOP.
I believe there are possibly some disloyal agents along with an incompetent director.
There are simply too many points of failure for me to conclude otherwise.
Congress should encourage more whistleblowers to come forward. We need to root out the bad apples.
someone must have known about this in advance. This is more than incompetence.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)If they wanted to LIHOP, they would have picked more carefully.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Lots of people do stupid things, but the ones who get into real power didn't all just fail upward.
At the top (where plans are made) I think there's a LOT more evil than stupidity.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)What do you think they were doing? And do you think they succeeded?
These guys being so ultra dimensional chess and all.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Why don't you ask them if they're joking?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Coast Guard won't apologize for Potomac drill that scared D.C. agencies on Sept. 11 anniversary
BY RICHARD SISK , JAMES GORDON MEEK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Friday, September 11, 2009, 2:12 PM
PHOTO
...In a video of Friday's drill,Coast Guard boats are seen circling on the water as Obama's motorcade crossed a nearby bridge - though his protective detail didn't notice them, sources said.
Park Police and FBI agents scrambled to the river after hearing of gunfire in an off-limits area. Flights were halted at nearby Reagan National Airport.
Minutes after Obama was safely back inside the White House at 10 a.m., a cop on the shoreline radioed his commanders about "shots fired to a boat" by the Coast Guard. Minutes later, a dispatcher replied, "The Coast Guard says it was a training incident only."
"Information passed to me was the Coast Guard had fired shots at a vessel inside the (restricted zone)," the apparently confused Park Police officer explained.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you have no point. Deflection is not wise in this situation. Bullets fired at the WH and by the way HITTING the WH from between 7 and 11 times, even hitting in living quarters area. Incident not being acknowledged as even happening at the time perpetrated. ALL armed responders told to "stand down" by some clown of a 'supervisor'.....armed person with a prison record(what was the crime punishable by prison is the question begging an answer), not SS, in the same elevator as the POTUS......armed citizen breaching the WHITE HOUSE FRONT DOOR and running around like a crazy man, which he is......nothing to debate or argue. How many more near miss 'incidents' don't we know about? That's the case as I see it?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)That the Secret Service wants the President to Die, but they're too stupid to actually make it happen?
That's your point?
Really?
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)it is the fail safe method, if all explanation fails just point to individual error and all will be well.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)since you're in denial and are being rambunctious with your responses I'm not surprise you will use occam's razor as a defensive argument to make your point.
Point is people are genuinely concern that the first black president who has received more death threats than any other president in recent history is being protected with lapses in detail. No one is saying the Secret Service isn't doing a good job, in fact they're terrific, but knowing the amount of threaten messages this president has received there is no reason why you should act as if people are either stupid or ignorant for pointing out the obvious, especially when you look at the history of assassination of past president and attempted assassination on sitting presidents.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)That kind of tinfoil hattery has no place on this forum.
I never responded to any point other than that.
If that's being in denial, then so be it.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)just a question.....
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)The majority in Congress is probably pissed that the Secret Service has done as well as it has.
JI7
(89,262 posts)to get around security . or even an attempt to get around security.
they just seem free to be there and do as they want.
msongs
(67,438 posts)took ya long enough
cornball 24
(1,480 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)at the expense of the massive greed of the very few, I think that is in the mix too.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I have no idea what the hell they were thinking, but they need to turn that SS department upside down to get it right!
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)its more like the United States Shitty Service at this point. They need to change the entire cadre on his detail and advance details.......too many fucking mistakes.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)They're probably very scared about all this...
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)calimary
(81,441 posts)as we have seen with the beheadings overseas.
I don't understand how security wasn't doubled - OR tripled or quadrupled - for this President, considering how threats against THIS President's life have increased by 400%, since he moved into the White House. And that fact was clear VERY early in his first term. They somehow didn't realize this??????
Good GRIEF!!!! That woman at the top of the Secret Service needs to fall on her sword. She MUST resign. MUST.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)analysis of what went wrong.
Lucky for her there's still time to prevent a worst case.
calimary
(81,441 posts)anymore. Especially when she falls back on monotonous "mistakes were made" nothingness. THOSE THREE WORDS tell me plenty - just another bureaucrat more concerned about reputations (hers and the unforgivably lazy ineptitude manifested at multiple levels beneath her).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I think we are being played, told to be outraged at her - by the GOP, no less! - and not go after the source of this - the GOP.
JHMO.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)catbyte
(34,437 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 1, 2014, 08:45 AM - Edit history (2)
Apparently the Obamas were livid, as any parent would be, but nobody was canned then either. WTF?
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It makes me wonder how many near misses the SS isn;t even aware of.
calimary
(81,441 posts)hell, a couple of them there in an unmarked car said they could SMELL gunpowder forcryingoutloud, and yet somebody above them said - "no, it was cars backfiring from a nearby construction site." WHY was that suppressed? WHY was that not investigated? A housekeeper had to find it before the Secret Service - um, pardon me, I misidentified them - the SHITTY Service finally decided to acknowledge the facts of it?????
The leadership THEN - should NO LONGER be allowed to continue to be leadership NOW. The leadership THEN is what FUCKED UP. Heads should roll.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the hands of the Security State. They grew very powerful during the Bush years and the President must be very careful. Just sayin'.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)the President have been making lately, imo It is their way of saying to him we can get to you if we want to, very scary.
SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)mopinko
(70,198 posts)just what?
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)the one about michelle?
thought you were referring to the same thing, maybe I misread your thread.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Mosby
(16,342 posts)Unfucking believable.
thecrow
(5,519 posts)I just wonder.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)catbyte
(34,437 posts)This has been a decade in the making. Huge, colossal mistake. It needs to be its own department again.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)catbyte
(34,437 posts)Hekate
(90,779 posts)catbyte
(34,437 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Move it BACK where it belongs. HS is the second biggest dept already.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Thanks for this info. It sure does make the case that the Secret Service has fallen down on it's duty, and no telling for how how long. I think it's probably a miracle that PO and family as well as WH staff has not befallen a serious incident.
Gman
(24,780 posts)But just as complacent
riqster
(13,986 posts)sheshe2
(83,875 posts)SunSeeker
(51,664 posts)Hekate
(90,779 posts)What's next? An order to "stand down"?
Stochastic terrorism. Hatred on the Right. Cultivated contempt on the Left. Reorganization of departments into "Homeland Security." Deliberate underfunding and understaffing by Congress.
And DUers wonder why BOGgers feel protective of this man? Maybe some of us wonder how we've managed to keep him this long.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)This is all too much, and very frightening.
sheshe2
(83,875 posts)I have always been frightened for his safety, just never said it out loud. The vitriol keeps escalating at an alarming rate.
Hekate
(90,779 posts)sheshe2
(83,875 posts)She said the same thing. I can not imagine the strain he is under as a President. Just add the hatred on top of that, unbelievable, Hekate.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)I just cannot imagine how horrible this stress must be.
so so sad to read all this!
multiplied
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)Do you think there are this many completely incompetent people employed by the Secret Service, or what? The more we hear, the worse it gets.
Logical
(22,457 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Yes they should and yes they can.
Logical
(22,457 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)then presidential security is an oxymoron.
Logical
(22,457 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Don't make up something to argue about if there's nothing there. Key words: security guard, employed, not doing his job... start with those concepts.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)an armed person taping POTUS when asked to stop, in a very confined spot, IS a possible security threat.....no? There are people out there who will KILL this POTUS just because of his SKIN COLOR, not to mention his policies as POTUS. His family the same because of their SKIN COLOR.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and all you got from the story was "The Secret Service cannot and should not stop someone from taping the president"
Sid
Hekate
(90,779 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)sheshe2
(83,875 posts)for our Presidents safety. Truly appalled. SS screwed up big time. An armed man road in an elevator with this President. You know the history correct? You read the OP correct?
Your only concern was the poor widdle guy being told to stop taking pictures?
mulsh
(2,959 posts)management types need to be scrutinized. I'd pay especial attention to those folks who started with the dept during the previous president's terms, focusing microscopically on anyone who got a degree from one of the bible schools like Oral Roberts and Liberty.
The fact that in 57 years of life I've only recently started hearing of frightening incidents with SS agents. Whores and drugs overseas, multiple successful assaults on the White House, the above incident leads me to believe the problems have a recent origin and yes of course the triggering incident is the election of a black president.
or maybe I'm just being paranoid.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)plus did they ever get their funding back?
And isn't our President getting something like 400X's the threats that other Presidents have gotten?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)If the Secret Service failed to protect Obama, there would be a lot of champgne popped, and NOT just in the boardrooms and the churches, but among some self-described leftists in places like Firedoglake. It is not enough that this country was woefully unprepared for a Black President, but that there are many of all stripes who think that be tearing down what civilization we have left, they will get the become the Messiahs in charge of a revolution. Of course, if that were to happen, they would get mowed sown, just as Napoleon moved down the same folks that manned the guillotine, and Stalin mowed down folks like Trotsky.
It is fully possible to be angry and attack Obama for his failure to show agression at home, in a culutre where no one respects you unless you are agressive. It is fully possible to hate what "bipartisanhip" has been corrupted to, and to wish Obama would put on those comfortable walking shoes and stand WITH the sort of people the Clintons will be running from, and running over in 2016. It is not sedition to yell at Obama, even curse him, as many of us are trying to same him and our party, from themselves.
However, to deny the fact that Obama being black is allowing all sorts of vile nastiness to erupt is a lie.
PS: when whatever WHiter person in 2016 takes over, watch the secret service get as tight as a noose!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)If they did then they are not leftists but fucking idiots.
I have issues with BHO's presidency, but if he were to be killed, heaven and earth should land squarely on the assassins and any who 'support' them.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Pres. Obama has got to start being proactive about his protection, as the number of incidences increases! If he is getting onto an elevator, and there is a stranger boarding with him and the secret service agents, he needs to STOP and ask who this is and why is he in such close proximity to him. NO STRANGER should be riding in an elevator with the president! And they are doing a background check on their cell phones??? If the situation somehow did happen, where this guy was in the elevator, they should have immediately formed a wall between him and the president - f__k the cell phones!
These are supposed to be the top security professionals in the world. They are not entitled to ANY pass for any reason, including stupidity.
The President absolutely has got to be more demanding.
NBachers
(17,135 posts)What's more basic than that? Sheesh!
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Total incompetence! There needs to be a top-to-bottom house cleaning of the "Secret Service"!!!
Hulk
(6,699 posts)It was in the forefront of my mind during both elections, when he is so exposed to the bat shit crazy teabagger types. With these few incidents in the White House, for Christ's sake....it is a wonder hea and his family are still unscathed.
With the fiery hatred fox and reich wing radio pump out 24/7, I'm just amazed that some "Dr Tiller killer" hasn't tried to harm the President and his family. I'm sure many have tried, and we just haven't heard of them in the media, but I worry for him and his family - and always will, even long after he leaves the White House. Remember John Lennon.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)but if it's the latter, well what can I say? We all need to be praying for the safety of the president.
mcar
(42,372 posts)I am gobsmacked. WTF is the SS doing?
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)It's almost as if they'd welcome it.
There...I said it.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)elevator at Staples Center. The door opened and one of the players was standing there with a security guy. They did not board the elevator, but indicated they'd wait for it to empty. If a hockey player is kept out of an elevator with the public, WTF is going on that the President of the U.S. is allowed to be in one with a convicted felon who has a weapon?
LarryNM
(493 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)one of my main concerns was that he wouldn't live past his first term. Why? Because he was our first BLACK president. Over the past several years, it has been quite obvious what part racism plays in today's society. All the shootings, one beheading, and the racists comments and actions made by Americans. It's not a safe world, especially for a black president. And now to have 3 incidents reported in the past week? It's a miracle he's still alive. The time is NOW for the secret service to get their shit together, including a replacement of the director. Is is training? Background checks? I wish I had the answer. There is an obvious, serious problem that needs an immediate resolution. I, as are many other Americans, quite scared for the first family's safety. What the hell is going on in this country?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Not just this incident but when the RW is on the defensive it's not a recipe for playing fair.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)sobenji
(316 posts)phylny
(8,385 posts)as in he was the #1 for a POTUS. We went to a party at his house, and I said, "****, I'll bet I'm the only Democrat here." He smiled and answered, "Yup, you probably are."
And yet, I could never conceive that the SS would NOT do their best for each president. However, I agree- I cannot imagine that POTUS would be expected to ride an elevator with ANYONE. How does that happen?
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
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freshwest
(53,661 posts)No, the GOP who slashed the budget for security at Benghazi, for the POTUS and every other agency of the US government are responsible. This even came out in their latest witch hunt committee where they pretend they don't know how this is happening but are more than likely toasting it, just as they did the shutdown and drooling over the chance to default.
The stage of the Sequester started the first chance that the Tea Party had after they got in office in 2010 and has continued to cut funding for the Secret Service and every other agency:
Budget Control Act of 2011
See also: Sequester (2013)
In 2011, sequestration was used in the Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub. L. 112-25) as a tool in federal budget control.[2] This 2011 act authorized an increase in the debt ceiling in exchange for $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over the following ten years. This total included $1.2 trillion in spending cuts identified specifically in the legislation, with an additional $1.2 trillion in cuts that were to be determined by a bipartisan group of Senators and Representatives known as the "Super Committee" or officially as the United States Congress Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. The Super Committee failed to reach an agreement. In that event, a trigger mechanism in the bill was activated to implement across-the-board reductions in the rate of increase in spending known as "sequestration".[14]
The Sequestration Transparency Act of 2012 (Pub. L. 112-155) requires the president to submit a report to Congress on a potential sequestration which may be triggered by the failure of the "Super Committee" to propose and for Congress to enact, a plan to reduce the U.S. Federal Budget by $1.2 trillion as required by the Budget Control Act.[15] The report which was issued September 14, 2012, and was close to 400 pages long provided the warning that "sequestration would be deeply destructive to national security... and core government functions".[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_sequestration#Budget_Control_Act_of_2011
Please note, there are many sources that prove none of this process was the fault of Obama or the Democratic Party. They support government as an agent of the majority of people, not the ones who want the government to get out of the way so allow them full ability to exploit the people. Their current round of extortion only funds government until the end of December 2014.
The trashing of federal employees trying to do their jobs at the national parks and the White House since the last shut down, is not a mistake for the GOP. But it is a mistake for Democrats anywhere to promote the trashing of people doing more with less workers. And to not hold accountable at the polls those who not only want to starve government, but the people of the USA.
Rand Paul was gleeful at the thought of he and his friends getting to 'manage catastrophe' by default. The dilemma Obama found himself in has been well documented, and we know, or should know, what the GOP's intent in the Sequester, shutdown and default was, which was no less than to make homeless, hopeless and quickly dead, the 47% that Romney, Paul, Ryan, Cruz and the rest want removed from the land of the living.
The only solution is to confront the real source of this at the polls, not getting down on the working class:
Secret Service Director Says GOP Sequestration Left Them Down 550 Employees
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/30/secret-service-director-gop-sequrestration-left-500-employees.html
In the House Oversight Committee hearing which started Tuesday on the problems in the Secret Service as it has failed repeatedly to protect the First Family, the Secret Service blamed the sequestration budget cuts for cuts in staffing.
Bloomberg News writer Del Quentin Wilber tweeted:
.@SecretService Pierson: #sequestration hurt staffing. Down 550 employees due to budget cuts.
Del Quentin Wilber (@DelWilber) September 30, 2014
(snip)
Republicans tried to blame President Obama for the sequester after it turned into a political disaster, but the discovery of a 2011 PowerPoint presentation that Speaker John Boehner gave to Republicans detailing his sequester idea killed that mid deployment. The White House has had a plan on the table since December of 2012 to deal with sequestration to no avail.
(snip)
While sequestration is not the only reason for the terrifying failures of the Secret Service to protect the First Family, it does take money to run things. It takes money to pay good people a concept that Republicans tout when it excuses Wall Street bonuses in the millions while refusing to raise the minimum wage.
(end snip)
Something I am assuming won't be in the MEdia's account. They are all too busy with the Congress Critters' soundbites.
to deminks:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025603099
Those in media releasing stories trashing these guys neglect Sequestration and how it effects us. Not the people at the WA Post, though, so they can keep on stirring hatred of yet another federal agency.
Likely another attack on unionized federal workers and their solution will be to fire all of them as has been suggested because of the sudden media outrage. We The People are hapless sponges in that regard, they toss us red meat and we gulp it down.
The WP article could have gone into the real concern of these intrusions, a coup. Instead, MSM cheers RW extremists all across the country, and plays those who aren't at the same time and then people will be disaffected and not vote.
Either way, the RW wins. If Obama is slain, there will be a Civil War. Who is locked, loaded and ready for that? The RW. Who promotes it all day long? The RW. What does the RW and LW both say? That Government isn't doing the job without looking at the hands behind the curtain. It's depressing.
JMHO!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)An armed nutjob. With a rap sheet. On an elevator. With the President. Because no one bothered to check.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Do you think the SS would have ignored the gun if the guy pulled it out, that they would have moved aside and let him shoot Obama?
It was a CCW. Congress will not stop people carrying guns, because the people that elected them don't want them to do so. Many cities prohibition on guns, OC or CCW, have been struck down in court.
Are you saying without the funding for plenty of agents, this would have happened anyway based on MSM sources?
The White House has had to take out many functions that it previously had since the Sequester. Things that were considered tradition. It is stripped to the bone. barely able to function.
Do you think employees there or in other agencies want this state of affairs?
I for one do not, and I blame the authors of the 'starve the beast' crowd. Not the ones being starved.
I really want to understand if you are outraged at the President being in danger, sans the fury at individuals, who have no control over how their agency is being defunded. This tactic was used to stymie Warren and Corduray with the CPB, the ATF, SS, the park service and so many others. None of those people wanted to see their work devalued and sent out to work with no pay, or furloughed.
I think your intentions are good and your heart is in the right place, but unsure how effective this tack is. I say go for the root of the poison, not the branches.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in an elevator with the president of the United States without a background check and/or a thorough search for weapons, explosives, etc.
This is basic stuff.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Once when I was downtown when I was in my early 20s, I went to give an interview for a job at a large building.
Then I went up to the 9th floor for the job interview on the elevator.
After the interview, I went to the elevator to go back down to the 1st floor.
The elevator stopped on the floor I was on, and the door opened and I could see that there were 2 businessmen in suits in the elevator already.
As I started to enter the elevator, the younger, middle-aged man in the elevator put out his hand toward me blocking the way, and he politely asked me to take the next elevator going down.
I looked at him and said "okay".
What the hell did I know, right?
Well, I looked at the other, much older gentleman in the elevator and I saw that it was none other than J.R. Simplot, the richest man in Idaho.
He owned that building.
Now, honest to Pete, if businessmen like Simplot can have enough adequate security to keep strangers from getting on elevators with them, you would think it would be a no-brainer to keep strangers from getting on an elevator with the President of the United States.
Especially this President, considering how many threats he has received already!!
Man, I am ticked off about this, bad!!
RobinA
(9,894 posts)me as well as a regular American citizen who knows nothing about SS operations. Can't quite buy the SS conspiracy nonsense, though. I do know that the SS, especially those around the President, take huge pride in their work. I would think that, if nothing else, as a matter of institutional and personal pride they wouldn't want a dead President to coming tumbling out of an elevator when the doors opened.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)When a stranger got onto an elevator with the president, the agents would have given the guy a quick pat down if they had a few more dollars?
Is this another thread about how much to tip underpaid workers?
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)refunding had better result from this / these debacles - that and a thorough house cleaning!
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)and overstretched and getting too tired. How much overtime are they all working?
Now, It is quite possible that there are some people in SS who do not have our President's safety as their first priority. But I bet the most of them are just exhausted and too understaffed to handle the 400X's higher number of threats.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'm not saying it's 'nothing' to be concerned about...
But now old stories (but not older than the 1st Sequester cuts went into effect) are being dredged up and the Sequester isn't the topic of discussion.
If one wants to get serious about ending the across the board cuts that have deeply affected the White House staffing in an effort to deny Obama workers to do what he can and the media outrage to blame him or those employees, vote these nihilists out of office the 1st week of November. Or else nothing changes.
This is why I get so ticked at MSM for the way they handle these affairs. Just like the GOP going after a few cases of welfare fraud, while not saying a word about what good welfare programs. They were put into place by progressives in Congress to mitigate the ravages of the instransient RightWing on our people.
The GOP is not doing the hearing because they care about Obama. They will not address the cause, they will find a scapegoat. Just like Shirley Sherrod and so many others. Pick a villain and then let the ones who are really tearing down the government hide their own actions behind a hearing.
And yes, there may be a few bad apples; but no one has got to him yet, and this POTUS has had threats on his life since 2007, and that includes the ones who were going to slaughter blacks after killing Obama to bring about a race war.
We are caught up in the trivia that media serves up to us, Pavlovian style. All are looking for someone to hang out to dry, but they are not going after the ones who made protecting PBO so very hard.
They go very hard for the personal angle to spread scandal and disrespect for the entire network of people who have signed on to take a bullet for the POTUS. Somehow, they will keep on calling PBO incompetent, ignorant, naive and unqualified by their 'concern.'
As if they gave a flying leap, just my opinion. I don't trust a gang of GOP inquistors on this case anymore than I did Ken Starr and his infamous circus. They mean Obama no good, and mean us no good either.
Thanks for the civil reply, and while I don't agree on the root of this matter with some, it's great to see those at DU who DO care about our President. Some are absent from these talks, and they are rather hard to miss with so many threads.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)and yes, that is so the GOP / M tactic- vilify and humiliate. I am so weary of it!
Thanks for sharing your intelligent insights with us. It is one reason I come to DU, to read and learn and ponder what people I do not know have taken their precious time to share.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)the utter incompetence of the Secret Service has been obvious.
The booze and hookers incidents abroad also did not inspire confidence. But you would think that after all this they would have attempted to clean up their act. But no. Now they leave the fucking front door unlocked and let someone run across the lawn and make it halfway into the White House before being tackled by someone who is actually off duty?
I mean really, WTF? People really, really need to be fired.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They had better security at any high school prom than they did at that state dinner!
Rex
(65,616 posts)around them...so what the FUCK is the deal with lax security around THIS POTUS?
I think an internal investigation might be in order.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I remember seeing Bush's security unit hover around him like bees at a beehive.
This shit has got to stop!!!!
Cha
(297,574 posts)to Training School or better yet.. get some fresh blood from those who take their job seriously.
It's seems a matter of SOP to Frisk someone who is an unknown.. who is that close to the POTUS in an elevator!
I imagine with all these latest incidents coming forth about the incompetence of the SS.. that they are in Cleaning House mode.. I hope so!
mahalo geek
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hard to believe.
Cha
(297,574 posts)incompetence that did happen..
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Director Pierson: "The Secret Service had a reduction in its staffing as a result of sequestration." Down to 550 people below optimal level.
5:33 AM - 30 Sep 2014 29 Retweets 5 favorites
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GOP slashed SS funding, leaving them 550 people below optimal level and are now "outraged" failures occurred?
Hypocrisy, thy name is GOP.
5:51 AM - 30 Sep 2014 44 Retweets 13 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/30/rise-and-shine-915/#comments
And, this.. Issa finally says something of consequence even though it's loaded with hypocrisy..
Secret Service Director Julia Pierson, left, is sworn in on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Sept, 30, 2014, prior to testifying before the House Oversight Committee.
Secret Service head takes onus for White House breach/ Poll
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The fact is the system broke down, declared committee chairman Darrell Issa. An intruder walked in the front door of the White House, and that is unacceptable.
More..
http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20140930-secret-service-head-takes-onus-for-white-house-breach.ece\
Not so sure about Julia Pierson..
sheshe2
(83,875 posts)Since the incident, the White House has treaded carefully. Although White House spokesman Josh Earnest acknowledged the president was obviously concerned about the intrusion, he expressed confidence in the Secret Service as recently as Monday.
It would be untenable for any president, not just Obama, to pointedly criticize the men and women who put themselves at risk to protect his life and family. That inherent conflict of interest means Congress, not the executive branch, is the most effective oversight authority for the Secret Service, its agents and officers.
Yes, just what this President needs to worry about his families safety.
Horrifying Cha.
Cha
(297,574 posts)"Since the incident, the White House has treaded carefully. Although White House spokesman Josh Earnest acknowledged the president was obviously concerned about the intrusion, he expressed confidence in the Secret Service as recently as Monday."
May the SS start immediately living up to President Obama's confidence in them as a whole! 'Cause yeah.. he's not going to undermine now because of certain incompetent apples.
KrazyinKS
(291 posts)his outrage seemed so phony to me. Or was he running scared? These guys have been pouring gas on this fire for a while. Yeah-he's running scared. Hmmmmmm-
FlatStanley
(327 posts)DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)With the billions we now spend on "security," we are less safe.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)his family.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)I can't help but wonder how the President and First Lady feel about their children being vulnerable to such lax security in their very home. In their shoes, given the security breaches and the general racial hatred in the country, I'd be inclined to pack my kids up and send them to a secure private school in Switzerland under assumed names for the remainder of the presidential term, leaving the so-called security team behind.
It's disgusting enough that there are those who would like to cause harm to POTUS, but the visible contempt of his family is even worse. Perhaps it is time to make the Secret Service a political assignment -- obviously the current right-wing culture leaves too many opportunities for harm to the Obama family. I, for one, would like to think that the First Family's security is in the hands of people who actually like them.
spanone
(135,862 posts)what the FUCK?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)If they'd just come clean right away, owned up to it, but now I feel like there are lots of other gaps in their security they're keeping quiet about
ancianita
(36,132 posts)as empire, which the MIC are using worldwide, 24 hours a day.
Obama himself can get to the root of the immediate problem. The larger problem has to be fought from Democratic Party war rooms.
First, Obama needs to remove SS from Homeland Security effective immediately. No more SS personnel intake allowed through HS.
Second, replace all SS staff at the White House. Obama himself should oversee the new staffing. Himself.
Defund. "Reform." Stigmatize. Privatize. Issa's faux concern is political puppetry of the protection racket theater that these bag men's bosses are playing from Afghanistan to Australia.
spanone
(135,862 posts)Shemp Howard
(889 posts)We now have two very, very serious security incidents.
The head of the Secret Service has to go, and I mean right now. And whoever was in charge of the Secret Service details on those days also have to go, and I mean right now.
I would, in fact, replace the entire details.
Look, this is most likely just a case of gross incompetence. We cannot have grossly incompetent people protecting the President! That is so obvious.
But a small part of me wonders. Did someone just look the other way? Did someone decide to just let whatever would happen, happen?
Incompetent, or worse, these people need to go. Right now.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)...is almost certainly not possible in practical terms. To replace people from Julia Pierson down to that particular protection detail, and probably a few people in between would leave a massive hole in the service.
Still, something major needs to be done. This story defies belief.
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)I'm no expert on the Secret Service, but don't they do other things, like chasing down counterfeiters?
There is something very wrong with the agents now protecting the President. Pierson has to go. Keeping her for even another day would send the wrong message.
At a minimum, I'd rotate out the other agents. Put them on counterfeiting details. Replace them with fresh Secret Service personel from other sections. I'd even have more confidence in using plainclothes Marines to protect the President.
As you said, this defies belief. If you wrote a novel with this premise, you'd be laughed out of every publisher's office in the country.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)RobinA
(9,894 posts)about this, but my impression is that they don't rotate. The culture of the SS is a hierarchical thing where the closer proximity to the Pres, the higher the level. You normally don't rotate through hierarchies. The guy sitting next to the President this week is not going to be chasing counterfeiters next week.
I'm not saying this is good or bad, that's a whole 'nother debate.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Kablooie
(18,641 posts)Just one guy was quietly assigned to investigate.
And I hear there is no paperwork documenting this.
Also Obama was not informed even though the dept head said she informs the president of 100% of screw ups.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Because RW sites are automatically discredited.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I'm not some rightwing fuckstick who would push discredited Fox & Friends sewage about the president "skipping his intelligence briefings" or other obvious rightwing trolling.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)But I believe we are in for a major realization, that within the next 5-10 years our country will be run mainly by the gen-Y, apple phone- computer, text while driving, can't put down the ipad, generation. I believe the Secret Service, and other service oriented jobs will be in serious trouble finding qualified people to fill these positions. Many will say I am biased, bigoted, prejudiced, but sorry, I work with the effect every day,and I don't see it getting much better. I am not saying this is the cause of the Secret Service breakdown, but let's look at ALL possible causes...
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The next generation will be no different.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)this is unbelievable. The SS DOES NOT care about our POTUS, period. "ARMED" is the operative word here. Could they be setting up the mindset/incidents for the next 'assassination of a POTUS' tragedy? I am just wondering what's going on here. Just a question.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I don't think this lax security around Obama is an accident.
Larry66
(32 posts)dynasaw
(998 posts)Deliberate negligence.
Larry66
(32 posts)I am not one to be starting conspiracy theories, however I would not put it passed a political party that urges military leaders to resign or not obey orders from the president to suggest to the secret service to become a little bit slack in their protection of the president.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)and I say Most, not all.
and I say a lot of other things, under my breath.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)This is so bad. With 3x the threats and less staff/funding what did Congress think would happen to the quality of the SS?
Rachel's WP guest said that agents told her that retiring staff weren't replaced because the $ was spent on other things. Wish she's asked what other things.
Most disturbing to me was her report that perimeter guards were sent to the home of the supe's secretary so many times they'd named it Operation Moonlighting.
I always end up playing "what would I do?" and I know if I felt my family was in danger so regularly, that would be the only thing I could think about.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)prepare for some future act.
These guys are top notch. Whatever personality disorders they may possibly have, they are not incompetent as a group. These incidences are more than mere oversights.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)when I read this was if an armed felon had made it to the same elevator as GW Bush, the guy would have been in court within hours and accused of an assassination attempt or something as serious.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Pretty easy to ask people to wait for the next elevator.
This is getting a bit comical.
Paladin
(28,271 posts)More and more, it appears that there are Secret Service personnel who actively want harm to befall President Obama. The sooner the agency is cleaned up and re-organized, from top to bottom, the better.