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I thought I caught this while watching the game between KC and New England tonight.
KC was beating down NE, I was watching while eating a sandwich in a local Pizza joint. The game is out of hand early in the 4th, Brady drops back and misses the underneath coverage, who is just camped and waiting for the throw, Brady lets go, dude picks of ball and returns it about 30 yards for a TD. Nothing remarkable, the guy goes down to his knees, camera cuts away.
Then there is a 15 yard penalty on the play, WHAT THE HELL?!, and I can recall the guy going down to his knees before the cutaway. NO FUCKING WAY, I THINK!! YUP, FUCKING WAY! watch the whole thing.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/muslim-nfl-player-penalized-for-praying-after-touchdown/
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Christians make it very difficult.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)so trivial. What he would want is for me to work on quelling my anger at the people who treated this Muslim football player so badly. It's not easy to recognize injustice and fight for justice without getting angry, but that is indeed what I should be doing and what I will do.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)anger against injustice is enlightened anger. As long as you use it to help create justice without harming anyone, and determine to respect the buddhahood of even those who are unjust, then you are practicing Shakyamuni's Lotus Sutra correctly. Well done!
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)We don't tolerate against blacks. We don't tolerate it against homosexuals. We don't tolerate it against women. We DO, however, tolerate it against christians.
Like any group, there are good and bad. Last I checked, the majority of Catholics voted Democratic. You wouldn't know it here, because the presumption is that 100% are right wing fundamentalists. It isn't right and a Buddhist would know that.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Some could be as few as two. I didn't say all. I didn't say many. I didn't say majority. I said some, and that includes the referees that found it necessary to penalize this player. I'm hearing this morning that it was the slide to the knees that they were penalizing. They could have overlooked that. As a Seahawks fan I can tell you our guys can get pretty rough and get a lot of penalties, but they don't get called for every rough play. The referees use discretion in when they make calls. They didn't have to call this penalty. At the very least it was insensitive. At worst it was discrimination. My father is an evangelical Christian and he lives with me so believe me I get plenty of chances to practice being tolerant, respectful, and keeping my mouth shut but like I said it is not always easy. I do see it as my duty as a Buddhist to quell my anger, but I also see it as my duty to not let my or others freedoms be taken away and that is exactly what is taking place. We must not become like them; prejudice, judgemental, discriminatory, angry, and hateful. But we must not allow them take our freedom away without a fight, non-violent of course. I do believe in non violence. Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that non violence can be one of the most powerful weapons humans can have.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)My ipad cut off the topic title before "some" and I did not see it when I clicked on it.
My bad!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)Because it doesn't even matter when it is included. Some huffery over the word some isn't even about the word some.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)and keep in mind to recognize the buddhahood even in those who perpetrate injustice, that is Buddhism.
In Buddhism, there is enlightened anger and unenlightened anger. Even when we experience unenlightened anger we are still Buddha, and if we recognize that and do our best to win over our negativity, then we are also still practicing Buddhism.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Does it teach lumping all blacks together? How about homosexuals? Women?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But their is with yours.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Please, elaborate.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Read the thread.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Glad that person had the patience to not be an asshole.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)I have more important things to pray about than being thankful I was successful in a football play. But a small showing of prayer or acknowledgment of God/Allah/Whoever isn't unsportsmanlike. This, making the sign of the cross, clasp hands, pointing to the sky or even Tebowing. None are over the top or any kind of in your face display.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Just find it shocking that a crew found it acceptable to penalize a player for praying to his god.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)The rule says you can't slide to the ground in order to celebrate, with the exception being its a personal religious act. The ref's were too quick on the draw to throw the penalty flag and it should have been just picked up after they saw what he was doing. The NFL made a public statement saying this today.
What would have been really upsetting is if a christian "Tebow'd" during an Arab soccer game... instead of a 15 yard penalty he would be getting decapitated as we speak.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)but even if i did it seems stupid to pray for or over something like that .
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Talk about blatant discrimination.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I doubt they'll care.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)the flag was for sliding to his knees. He may not have been flagged if he had first stopped and then prayed. I am not sure Tebow prayed immediately after a touchdown so I don't know if the two cases are equivalent. Brandon Marshall may be a better example.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/chiefs-player-gets-penalized-after-kneeling-in-muslim-prayer-035223137.html
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You just don't do that in the No Fun League.
Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)How funny!
"Unsportsmanlike conduct. Having the temerity to score on an interception of Tom Brady. 15 yards of genuflecting to be assessed on the kickoff." Or something like that.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Certainly not excusable, but I doubt an official would risk a lucrative job by demonstrating blatant discrimination on national television.
Johonny
(20,893 posts)http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article2324330.html
So you can't go to the ground to celebrate by rule... only you can based on unwritten magic rule. I hope that clears things up for everyone. If you worship invisible being(s) in the sky then going to the ground in celebration is okay, but if you make a snow angel then it is 15 yrds because the NFL hates angels made of snow. Frankly the official made the right call and the penalty is and always has been stupid. I'll cut the official some slack because of the vagueness of the NFL rulebook on this. You can't have magic unwritten rules and not expect stupid rulings on the field.
malaise
(269,193 posts)Tebow did this with regularity and was never called for it.
Personally I hate all prayer associated with sport.
LeftinOH
(5,358 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)It was always on the sideline after the play. I think this has to do with the NFL rule on end zone celebrations which are frowned upon and generally flagged as penalties if it is deemed taunting.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)of the Universe (a universe made up of multi-billions of galaxies) who is currently focusing on some dumbass game on one little patch of turf on some obscure little planet?
Having said that, I do believe that the double standard favoring one brand of silly organized superstition over another is wrong.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)There's a lot to dislike about the NFL but I think we can chalk this one up to one overzealous ref and let it go.