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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:33 PM Sep 2014

Why do Republicans so easily attribute despicable motives to climate scientists?

Why do they assume that 98% of climate scientists are engaged in some great conspiracy to perpetrate a massive hoax on the world?

The answer is fundamentally simple, I think. They're projecting their own lack of conscience and greedy natures onto others. They find this easy to do because, being themselves bereft of compassion, empathy, concern for the universe outside themselves, and a love of objective knowledge, they cannot understand how others might be thus motivated. Humanitarianism is for suckers. Since scientists are presumably too smart to be suckers, they must be driven by base and self-serving motives.

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Why do Republicans so easily attribute despicable motives to climate scientists? (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 OP
Projection. NT Warpy Sep 2014 #1
Yup. (nt) Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #6
absolutely Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #17
Agreed Gothmog Sep 2014 #36
Exactly. arcane1 Sep 2014 #2
Sounds logical. kentuck Sep 2014 #3
The deniers have no other choice, really Bragi Sep 2014 #4
They're trying to protect the American Dream. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #5
Simple jamzrockz Sep 2014 #7
Their entire politics is based on projection villager Sep 2014 #8
Climate observance evokes cognative dissonance in "market fundamentalists." immoderate Sep 2014 #9
The Spelling Police have asked me to inform you Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #11
Uh-oh. If I correct it now, it will look like I "knuckled under." immoderate Sep 2014 #12
They say they'd have gone lighter on you, but it was your second offense Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #13
I once was a spellling champ, but since the spell checker was invented... immoderate Sep 2014 #15
Those who operate without a moral compass Cirque du So-What Sep 2014 #10
We see it every day. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #14
Very well said. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #16
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2014 #18
You view the world through the filter of yourself. Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #19
If they didn't believe that Mariana Sep 2014 #20
I think that Upton Sinclair quote fits a lot of them.. logosoco Sep 2014 #21
It's worse than that Gman Sep 2014 #22
Actually, I'm in full agreement with you; I was mostly talking about the followers, Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #24
Projection! Exactly! MNBrewer Sep 2014 #23
Same reason many DUers stop at nothing to discredit negative marijuana research Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #25
It is to promote One World Government treestar Sep 2014 #26
Oh, yeah, that's right. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #28
In one word: greed. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #27
because their corporate masters tell them to? noiretextatique Sep 2014 #29
Kicked and recommended! You nailed it! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #30
One Thing that Frosts Me Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #32
Some (mostly on the right) choose the policy first, then fit the acceptable "facts" to it. pampango Sep 2014 #33
Decades of training JHB Sep 2014 #34
That's it exactly. They blame others for who they are. applegrove Sep 2014 #35
Plausible denialbility gollygee Sep 2014 #37
Two reasons: One, projection (as noted earlier in the thread) hatrack Sep 2014 #38

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
4. The deniers have no other choice, really
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:38 PM
Sep 2014

I don't think it's that complicated. The facts, and those who know and care about facts, are almost all against the deniers chosen misinterpretation of reality.

So all that's left in the deniers toolbox are ad hominem attacks against scientists via the invention of a massive conspiracy amongst them.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
7. Simple
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:44 PM
Sep 2014

Because it might increase taxes and govt is the solution. Had it been any different, republicans wouldn't care

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. Their entire politics is based on projection
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

the "Other."

This is what they've always done, and what they'll always be.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
9. Climate observance evokes cognative dissonance in "market fundamentalists."
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:46 PM
Sep 2014

It's where climate science runs up against the "free market."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism

--imm


 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
12. Uh-oh. If I correct it now, it will look like I "knuckled under."
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:58 PM
Sep 2014

My browser doesn't check spelling in title frames.

--imm

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
15. I once was a spellling champ, but since the spell checker was invented...
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 04:30 PM
Sep 2014

I am relegated to a total dependency.* (*Whew, I got through that one.) Perhaps it's the multiplicity of phonemes we are responsible for. Ya' know?

I question though, whether it counts as a second offense, if it's on the same word. (I bet they were both in titles, dammit! )

--imm

Cirque du So-What

(25,944 posts)
10. Those who operate without a moral compass
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 03:50 PM
Sep 2014

automatically assume that everyone else is just as amoral as they are. Projection and cynicism in one toxic mixture.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
16. Very well said.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

There is a lot to what you said. Every time I hear one of those nuts accuse scientists of being greedy and self serving, I know they are talking about themselves. Most people think everyone thinks like them.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
19. You view the world through the filter of yourself.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 04:52 PM
Sep 2014

If you are prone to lying and hoaxes, you see lies and hoaxes in others.

Of course, you could just be ignorant (multiple causes, some self inflicted some not) and assume that things outside of your narrow band of "true knowledge" are attempts to deceive you for reasons unknown.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
21. I think that Upton Sinclair quote fits a lot of them..
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 05:12 PM
Sep 2014

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Sure, they could make money elsewhere, but I don't think they have much of a conscience to begin with.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
22. It's worse than that
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:15 PM
Sep 2014

I believe there are many in the oil and coal companies as well as the GOP who know full well that man made global warming is real. They're idiots but they are NOT stupid. The tobacco industry knew and knows now cigarettes are dangerous but they continued to lie in the face of overwhelming proof. Then they settled lawsuits without admitting guilt.

It's the same thing. Attacking scientists is much like saying if your wife has pictures of you in bed with another woman deny it. Because she'll always have that little but of doubt that it's actually true. And they know their blindly faithful who ARE stupid will echo the attacks because their leaders would never lie to them.

There are trillions of dollars at stake to lose if they don't lie.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
24. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you; I was mostly talking about the followers,
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:22 PM
Sep 2014

the teabag sheep, rather than the super-cynics who manipulate them (who have in effect bought off almost the entirety of the remaining 3% of "scientists" who continue to profess skepticism in return for what amount to flat-out bribes.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
23. Projection! Exactly!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:20 PM
Sep 2014

EVERYTHING those right wing nutcases accuse others of doing is exactly what THEY are doing. The motives they ascribe to their political opponents are exactly the motives that THEY have.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
25. Same reason many DUers stop at nothing to discredit negative marijuana research
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:22 PM
Sep 2014

Because they are religiously devoted to their belief, however nuanced reality might actually be.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
30. Kicked and recommended! You nailed it!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014
They're projecting their own lack of conscience and greedy natures onto others.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
32. One Thing that Frosts Me
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:43 PM
Sep 2014

Scientists make perhaps $100,000 per year. The Koch brothers made a combined $18 BILLION last year. Who has more to lose here? You tell me!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
33. Some (mostly on the right) choose the policy first, then fit the acceptable "facts" to it.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

If climate scientists believe that climate change exists, they must be a part of a grand (liberal) conspiracy. Their opinions can be disregarded since they do not fit with the chosen policy.

Paul Krugman: It’s not just facts that have a liberal bias; so does careful, open-minded analysis.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/yellen-wages-and-intellectual-honesty/

JHB

(37,161 posts)
34. Decades of training
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:41 PM
Sep 2014

On the Evangelical side, they've believed that teaching evolution was part of a satanic socialist conspiracy to lure souls away from Real True Christianity. No trouble at all to add climate change to the list. Most of the denying tactics are the same.

More secular, but heavily overlapping, is the cultivation of the "don't trust the liberal media" mentality. Denial is real easy when it's "liberal scientists" on one side and trusted "I'm telling you the real deal that the liiiiiiiibbbbbbeerrrullls don't want you to hear" on the other.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
38. Two reasons: One, projection (as noted earlier in the thread)
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:01 AM
Sep 2014

Two, science shows us that we live on a small dot in a very, very big universe, and that we are products of, and subject to, powerful and indifferent forces that do not respond to prayer, belief, wishes, flags, citizenship or ideologies.

For many conservatives, it's just easier to ignore this beautiful and indifferent reality, and double down on just how incredibly, super-duper important and powerful they believe themselves to be.

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