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http://www.alternet.org/time-us-dump-word-homelandIt's time to do away with the word "homeland."
As the situation with ISIS continues to escalate, and as worries about terrorist attacks on US soil continue to spread, we're hearing the term "homeland" mentioned more and more.
Ever since it first stole the spotlight with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security in the months after 9/11, the term "homeland" has become ingrained in US society.
But, as Chris Matthews pointed out on his MSNBC show recently, there's something strange and creepy about the term.
Matthews said that, "It's a term used by the neocons, they love it. It suggests something strange to me. Like who else are we defending except America? Why don't you just say 'America'? Why doesn't [Obama] say we defended against attacks against this country? As if we're facing some existential Armageddon threat from these people. Do you buy the phrase 'homeland'? I never heard it growing up, never heard it in my adulthood. It's a new word. Why are we using it? Is there some other place we're defending? What are we talking about when we say 'homeland'? What's it about?"
vt_native
(484 posts)reminds me of "The Fatherland".
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Reminds me of Bush, and of the Nazis. How about "America," or "Our country," or "the country." Any will do.
Toss "Boots on the Ground" on the rubble pile too. "Soldiers," or "Troops," would be great, or "enlisted men." Anything that implies they're actually human would be great, rather than something you lace up and put on your feet.
It's weird how everyone is getting sick of Bush "swaggerisms" at about the same time. I just about puked about two weeks ago, upon hearing them. This whole thing feels like 2003 deja vu.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Sending men and women into a battle. at least "hand to hand combat" still had a human element included.
They choose these words carefully as part of the marketing technique to get us to go along with this bullshit
MADem
(135,425 posts)As for HOMELAND, we probably won't dump the term until the SHOWTIME series wraps up.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)ellenfl
(8,660 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)it makes my hair stand on edge
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)simply America or US was not used.
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Fla Dem
(23,691 posts)The USA, United States, or America, works great for me.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Obama,Clinton=VicheyFrance. Get over it if your too sensitive for the Truth.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Intelligence agencies run our government now according to their own analysts. They probably like people thinking that too as they rule by fear. But Hubris had a way of evening things out eventually.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The stag in the forest runs free
But gathered together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me
The branch on the linden is leafy and green
The Rhine gives its gold to the sea (Gold to the sea)
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen
Tomorrow belongs to me
The babe in his cradle is closing his eyes
The blossom embraces the bee
But soon says the whisper, arise, arise
Tomorrow belongs to me
Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me
Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me
Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
trof
(54,256 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)The first time I heard the song was on a soundtrack (I hadn't seen the movie yet) and I thought it was one of the most beautiful songs I'd every heard. It took me a moment, or two, to realize what they were saying (singing). I was pretty young at the time, 12, maybe 13 years old. So I forgive myself. Lol. But my initial reaction to the song coupled with my delayed understanding brought the meaning of propaganda home to me in a way I had never grasped before.
Btw, the song was not written for the movie. It was written years before.
japple
(9,833 posts)back in the 70s when it was first issued. It is even more frightening today. My favorite number is Money, Money.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)in reference to the US that scene and the song played over and over in my mind. I really hate the term.
You are so right about Cabaret. What a great movie! Money, Money is one of my favorites. It is the one song, to me, where Liza sounds most like her mother. The Cabaret soundtrack is one I've always enjoyed all the way through. No skipping over a song or two not to my liking like I do with some.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Chilling. Somewhere in there a black dog emerges and heads up the aisle.
Got to see this again.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)brush
(53,791 posts)Mother Russia, is close though.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lady lib
(2,933 posts)nt
trusty elf
(7,394 posts)decided it was a good idea to use that shitty word, and why.
onenote
(42,714 posts)See Presidential Decision Directive 62: Protection Against Unconventional Threats to the Homeland and Americans Overseas" dated May 22, 1998.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Both the concept of the department and the name. The * admin resisted it for a while, saying it would simply add another layer of bureaucracy that didn't need to exist.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)The rest of us are just visiting.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It is creepy.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)homeland (n.) Look up homeland at Dictionary.com1660s, from home (n.) + land (n.). Old English hamland meant "enclosed pasture."
In Swedish, it's "hemland".
Words are what you make of 'em I guess. To me, it's simply the country I was born in.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hitler's speeches. It's understandable.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Of a single word, is not a good bet.
You can tie a word to whichever historical period you want but that doesn't mean you've pegged the "origin" of the word.
You go on imagining what you want, I'll go ahead seeing it as closer to "hemland" from the Swedish than anything else. You'll keep being haunted by a word, I won't.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)I'm no "visitor".
The holy land is everywhere right now here today for every one on this earth.
* Dislike the word.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As is Ministry in place of Department. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)there's something strange and creepy about Chris Matthews.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)But in this case "Blind Pig, stumbles onto corn."
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)America will be "The Homeland" until neocon policies are repealed.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)In our view, and that of many other peoples, this is Planet USA. And, by God!, we KNOW this glorious outcome started in the homeland given to us by god.
It's necessary because on Planet USA, there is THE HOMELAND, where you dodge taxes, and there are the 'Other lands' some where you exploit tax shelters, others where you exploit very cheap labor.
If you don't realize where you are dodging and where you are exploiting you stand to lose a shitload of money.
brush
(53,791 posts)Too close to "fatherland" used by the Nazis but maybe that was the aim of the fascists . . . er ah . . . neocons who coined the term.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)I can usually read the intent behind this type of loaded language. But in this case I can only guess that it is designed to breed nationalism and make more acceptable US aggression overseas and domestic.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Language is powerful (ask Frank Luntz). The word "homeland" is being used more and more to manipulate and control the masses.
I have little doubt.
The fact that it reminds so many of us of a certain fascist empire is probably a bonus to those who are choosing to implement this word in the media to such a large extent.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Naomi Wolf discusses the psychology involved in the use of this descriptor in 'The End of America'.
Beyond creepy, IMO, and into the bone-chilling zone.
RVN VET
(492 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...than it is at the present time."
Yeah right...half the population hates the other half. We have a lousy minimum wage, a large share of the population is in jail.
We don't have a decent health care system. Our infrastructure is going south because of debt. Our mass transit sucks. The rich
have totally bought the politicians who (from their actions) hate the middle class and poor. The wage disparity is ridiculous.
Fatherland ?? You've GOT to be kidding.
More like "Fuck you..I've got mine" Land.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)Manipulation of the masses is made easier when you have quick, catchy terms that do not require much thought and that can be used to stoke fear and feigned patriotism.
Motherland, Fatherland, Mother Russia.
I say we stick with Disneyland.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)malaise
(269,056 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 29, 2014, 02:06 PM - Edit history (2)
It assumes that only Americans have a homeland and it's not as if anybody is invading America. Americans and their lackeys are actually bombing other peoples' homelands.so that they can continue looting resources. What's more anyone who resists is now a terrorist.
Scary shite indeed!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)at the very end when one Hitler youth starts singing "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" in a restaurant and most of the others pick it up.
It sent a chill down my spine then. Whenever I hear the term "Homeland" this song comes into my mind and I get that chill. I almost tear up it scares me so much.
Heard Hartmann riff on this last week. He is so right
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)We have an event called "Constitution Week" in our town. It's supposed to 'celebrate' the signing of the Constitution.. a real Festivus. There are lots of "patriotic' happenings including right wing speakers every night, with the featured speaker being Michael (heck of a job, Brownie) Brown, you know, because he's an expert on the Constitution. This was the 3rd year. Several of us have objected to this fake patriotic display of right wing "values" promoted by these speakers and have been told we just don't love America and to READ THE CONSTITUTION. This year I avoided the whole mess, except for the lovely 20 minute fire works display on the last night.
Every national holiday is an excuse for extreme patriotism here. My husband is a Vietnam vet who sometimes marches in the Memorial Day parade in remembrance of his lost buddies, but too much of the display, in his opinion, is right wing, military brainwashing. Our patriotic town often reminds me of this scene in Cabaret.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)While the world watches, we elect our leaders who then do all kinds of things in the name of our security.
Wasn't our President awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
"Life is a cabaret, old chum..."
shraby
(21,946 posts)drop it and go back to "the country".
Mopar151
(9,989 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)it's creepy and fascistic - not to mention imperialist, as those who use it stole this land from the first peoples.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I cringe every time I hear that word. To refer to America with this word seems like comparing us to Hitlers Germany.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)You think that because we are less specific in our targeting and death bringing that there is much moral distinction left between the foreign policy of the Bush Doctrine era and Nazi Germany?
National Socialism rejected the concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend private property. Sound at all familiar yet?
You think there's much distinction between 'Lebensraum' ("living space" and "defending freedom"?
History is not going to view it differently...we are a diffuse version of the scourge of the 20th century and ultimately, we will be judged accordingly.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Just going through the news posts on here today is depressing as hell.
All the innocents we have killed in the last 13 years is horrific. We are still at.
Ultimately it's all about making more money and the MIC.
This will not end well and 90% or more Americans are clueless.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Made me hear the sounds of marching feet on the road outside my home.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Operation Paperclip coming to fruition.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Just changing the name of Homeland Security would cost a small fortune. But, that alone is not why Congress will not do it. Every time they talk about IS, they use "homeland," to hammer, er, home the point that IS might hit your home, with you and your family in it. (It must have tested high with focus groups. Lord, I am so sick of being marketed to by my govt--and on my dime, to boot.)
logosoco
(3,208 posts)in the title.
I wonder what they could re-name it? I always sort of thought the things the DHS cover were covered in other departments. To me they sort of started this and gave it that name to imply the US was somehow superior than other places on the planet.
merrily
(45,251 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)The Patriot ACT was first proposed in 1998. Then Vice President Al Gore chaired the committee that wrote the bill. But with a Democrat in the White House, Republicans put on their paranoid, anti-government alter ego and shot it down.
After 9/11 with a Republican in the White House, they revereted to their authoritarian, nationalistic selves and passed it without hesitation. Still paranoid, of course, but about foreigners who were different rather than Americans who were different.
That said, it certainly is possible that Bushco altered the bill in certain ways, possibly even renaming the department. But I have never heard that with any certainty.
merrily
(45,251 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)See Presidential Decision Directive 62: Protection Against Unconventional Threats to the Homeland and Americans Overseas" dated May 22, 1998.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Until today, I just assumed, without even thinking, that it was Dimson, even though one of my favorite bits of advice is, "Assume nothing."
Thanks!
Newsjock
(11,733 posts)It can happen here, too. But, sadly, it won't.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)Like I said, the DHS is sort of the department of redundancy department!
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)...is that the Department of Defense is charged with affairs outside our borders, and the Department of Homeland Security (which I would prefer were called Department of National Security) is charged with affairs inside our borders. It's kind of similar to the distinction between the CIA and the FBI.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)Agree with you!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I vote for this. Dump it, now. NO one likes it. It creeps everyone out. This isn't a "Homeland", this is America. Face it, Intel god on high: it didn't catch on. It just reminds us all of the our enemies of the past, i.e. Hitler's "Fatherland."
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Sognefjord
(229 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The US is fast becoming Homerland!
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I despise that word. It smacks of uber-patriotism and neocon B.S. I refuse to say it.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)I didn't like it from the get go.
cheyanne
(733 posts)The only references to the word were in cases where people had lost their territory, like the Palestinians. Only people exiled from their country had a homeland.
Just an addition to the fear mongering of Bush and cohorts.
summerschild
(725 posts)The term came in with PNAC. My old files are not on this machine, but I believe I would find the use of the word very prevalent in the PNAC days 98 and forward. I believe it is in some of the rhetoric introducing and surrounding the Bush doctrine, and it was in the PNAC plans for perpetual war as laid out in their "need a Pearl Harbor" letter. The only other place I've heard the term on a national scale was The Sound of Music - and guess what homeland that was talking about!
My skin crawls every time I hear it used.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Luckily Information Clearing House still has the documents available.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
for U.S. military forces:
defend the American homeland;
fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
perform the constabulary duties associated with shaping the security environment in
critical regions;
transform U.S. forces to exploit the revolution in military affairs;
Another interesting tidbit is that per Wikipedia, Peggy Noonan, of all people, objected to Bush's use of the term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)It feels like contrived propaganda.. What's more, I've never heard the term in reference to our country in public conversation. The only place I ever hear it is in in the media.
proReality
(1,628 posts)I've actually started shouting at the TV whenever someone says it.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)It is a reference to a high order police state. If they called it "Dept. of National Security" etc, that would imply the agency is subject to the usual national laws we all have to follow. Calling it "Homeland" is a way to disassociate the concrete laws and civil rights of citizens of the US for some higher purpose that mere citizens cannot be trusted to understand.
For example: "It's OK that we tortured him because it was necessary to protect the homeland/motherland/fatherland".
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I think you've hit the nail on the head. It signals a shift in our thinking where the homeland is more important than the citizens.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)The word sent chills down my spine from the very first time that I heard it.
It still does and always will.
I've hated it since I first heard it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)marble falls
(57,106 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)We managed to live successfully as a country for hudreds of years without it, and we don't need it now. We used to use the word "national," as in National Anthem. It's a wonder they haven't renamed it "Homeland Anthem." It used to be "national security." What about "national debt?" I believe the PNAC (read: "Karl Rove" decided to put this "Homeland" into use to subconscously create more fear into people and thus more manipulation. It was no longer our "nation" that we would defend, it was our "homes," as if any enemy was standing right outside our doors. It helps to underly a sense of emergency.
From the first, I saw it as it was meant to be: Marketing 101, to sell their agenda to a shocked people. It's all manipulation.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Germany to my ears.
What followed was a fruition of almost everything I grew up knowing about Nazi Germany sans extermination of "undesirables".
Watching the Congressional/interagency/Government committee hearings aimed at forming "Homeland Security" Department only served to verify my fears of a fascists/totalitarian state in the making. It happened very quickly, and right under the nose of everyone with the media promoting and cheering it on.
It was naive of me to expect Obama to have the power to return/restore our nation to something resembling a democratic system of governance.
He would have needed a Democratically controlled Congress to be able to accomplish that feat, and it would have been necessary to be seen as a priority..
oh wait.. the financial crises - (who knew?!) and then oh yeah... oh never mind.
Marr
(20,317 posts)It's jingoistic and inspires fear by implying the US is the only place you can be safe. I thought it was creepy when Matthews was still excitedly chirping it-- I expect most of us did.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)the term troops. Troops are nameless, faceless, mindless, automatons fighting at the behest of the leaders in defense of the homeland.
Good lord, the words they use are evocative.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Dubya's roots go back there, his grandfather Prescott had a few dealings with Nazi Germany.
BumRushDaShow
(129,106 posts)the UK's equivalent - the "Home Office" (a ministry that basically has the same function).
blackspade
(10,056 posts)What an awful moniker for our nation.
salib
(2,116 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)The homeland has never appealed to me
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)To me, the emotional content associated with the word "home" says, "Propaganda word. Will now be feeding you bullshit."
onyourleft
(726 posts)...way past time. I didn't care for the term when it was introduced.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)I'm glad others feel the same.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Next up: Familyland.
Sounds like a theme park with really boring rides depicting suburbia.
Here's dad mowing the lawn, here's mom putting a pie in the window to cool, here's Jane playing with her dolls, and here's little Timmy jerking off in his treehouse to National Geographic.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It is too reminiscent of The Fatherland we heard from the German Nazis.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)It's a propaganda creation, developed by people smart enough to know it, to be wielded against those NOT smart enough to know it.
lark
(23,105 posts)This is a Nazi word, no worder little Georgie like it so much. It was used all the time by dear old granpa.
valerief
(53,235 posts)jonjensen
(168 posts)It beats the fatherland!
Vinca
(50,278 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)It has a really creepy Third Reich vibe. Die Heimat. Das Vaterland. Ick.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)If you look at this page, it describes them as a paramilitary xenophobic group were the foundations of the fascist takeover of Earth...
http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Homeguard
And as noted earlier on DU, there's been a concern by many including the show creator himself, J. Michael Straczynski, that because Rove and Bush "loved" this show as one of their favorites, that these entities in this show served as a template to what would become our security state here in this country during Bush's time...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/IanDB1/1747
J. Michael Straczynski on usenet's babylon 5 group personally commented on comments made by Karl Rove himself to show star Bruce Boxleitner on a usenet post that is shown on this page (Have a hard time locating the original usenet post now at this time).
http://www.scottsmovies.com/comments/c021212.html
In one of his posts, Straczynski recounted a conversation he had had with fellow B5 producer Doug Netter, who in turn recounted a conversation he had had with B5 star Bruce Boxleitner. It seems that Boxleitner had accompanied his wife, Screen Actors Guild president Melissa Gilbert, to the White House. The occasion was to discuss acting roles moving north of the border to Canada. In the middle of the conversation, the door opens and White House strategist Karl Rove walks in. He says to Melissa, I hope you will forgive me, but Im actually here to see Bruce. And, no, it wasnt to give him a hard time about how the Night Watch subplot on Babylon 5 was an eerie foreshadowing of the War on Terrorism.
According to Straczynski, Rove tells Boxleitner, I just wanted to tell you that Im a big science fiction fan, and that Babylon 5 is the best science fiction television series ever. After a pause, he adds, And the president thinks so too.
Take a deep breath and pause for a few minutes to digest that. The president of the United States is allegedly a Babylon 5 fan.
...
Scott6113
(56 posts)It sounds like Heimat, like Germany.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimat
It is emotionally loaded. It should be called Department of Domestic Security which is still creepy, but a little less so.
I thought it really should apply to indigenous peoples, not to us European latecomers. That is, like Australia is the homeland of the Aboriginal Peoples.
There were many words that were used to avoid laws during the Bush years, and it worked superficially. It should fool no one, like detainee, enhanced interrogation, and more.
Scott6113
(56 posts)It sounds like Heimat, like Germany.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimat
It is emotionally loaded. It should be called Department of Domestic Security which is still creepy, but a little less so.
I thought it really should apply to indigenous peoples, not to us European latecomers. That is, like Australia is the homeland of the Aboriginal Peoples.
There were many words that were used to avoid laws during the Bush years, and it worked superficially. It should fool no one, like detainee, enhanced interrogation, and more.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Homeland -- a NAZI kickback which the neo-cons love. The word is unsettling to me. Makes me feel nauseous.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)it in its Swedish form. Homeland is a reference to the German word Heimat which is a perfectly OK word except that when certain right-wing sectors of the US public use it, they are referring to Hitler's speeches. Homeland in English is not inspired by the Swedish word. Please.
War Horse
(931 posts)with phrases such as homeland, motherland of fatherland. I've used the former two somewhat romantically and innocently in several contexts, mostly out of country. I agree with you that this phrase should be buried until such time that it's possible to actually take it back, though.
Unless you'd like to state that such entities are just constructs, in which you'd have valid point, but the discussion sort of moves on to a different 'sphere' then
onenote
(42,714 posts)And when Jews and Palestinians each talk about wanting their respective homelands (as in "a Palestinian homeland" or a "Jewish Homeland" are they blind to the fact they're evoking Nazism?
Or does the word, which dates back hundreds of years in terms of its etymology, and which is often cited by proponents of the right of self determination, have more than the one meaning some here seem to think it has?
Never liked the word police.
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)We are not the homeland (that would be where our ancestors came from , and honestly, only our First Nations peoples have that claim). Russia is the Motherland, England is the homeland, the US is the United States of America (in other words, not the homeland).
It's not just that the term brings up shades of the Cold War and the Soviets as the bad guys. It's that it tries to say that the US is somehow old and a place defended with blood for millenia or at least many generations. We are neither.
Whey can't we call it the Dept. of US Security or, better yet, just get rid of it?
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)And creepy as hell.
It was NEVER a part of our national identifiers for our country, NEVER a word used in our civic and social and cultural conversations about our nation and ourselves as citizens of this nation. It was deliberately imposed on us by those whose intent was the creation of an ever-expanding National Security State, with a constant drumbeat of FEAR, FEAR, FEAR to keep us in line while shredding our rights.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Who bankrolls them? Know that and you know the enemy.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)It's primarily an antiterrorism department. Homeland Security sounds better than that. Wanna change the name? You'll have to get rid of the department, and good luck finding any Democrat with half a functioning political brain for that.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)Do we have the Homeland Guard, or the National Guard? Do we say "one nation, under God," or "one homeland under God?" Do we speak of national interests, or homeland interests? National Anthem or Homeland Anthem? And on and on.
Bottom line is, the term "Homeland" is a that term we were not, and still really are not, accustomed to, and which until 9/11 was NOT in any form of common usage. It is an invention and one done that was foist upon us with the intent of manipulation.
Yes, the operating sentiment is "creepy."
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Everyone keeps passing over that for some reason...
Here's a link:
http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd-62.htm
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...just the best
Where in hell can you go
Far from the things that you know
Far from the sprawl of concrete
That keeps crawling its way
About 1,000 miles a day?
Take one last look behind
Commit this to memory and mind
Don't miss this wasteland, this terrible place
When you leave
Keep your heart off your sleeve
Motherland cradle me
Close my eyes
Lullaby me to sleep
Keep me safe
Lie with me
Stay beside me
Don't go, don't you go
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
...to get: Motherland cradle me, close my eyes, lullaby me to sleep, keep me safe, lie with me, stay beside me,
don't go.
Wouldn't you?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)Unless of course they replace it with Fatherland. I mean we're already nearly a quarter of the way into the 1000 year bit.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I can't stand it.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, xchrom.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)We fought a war from 1941-1945 to keep that crap out of this country.
TheVisitor
(173 posts)lastlib
(23,248 posts)Becoz the way it tramples on our rights, it certainly smacks of the old Soviet KGB security apparatus; and it certainly has GWB's filthy fingerprints all over it, we need to give him ownership of it.
spanone
(135,844 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Response to xchrom (Original post)
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tiptonic
(765 posts)Operation Paperclip, all the Nazis had to go somewhere. Most ended up here working for the government. Prescott Bush's Bank. Even the new kevlar helmets smell of nazi. Seems simple to me.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)In a nation of immigrants, the only people who can claim a homeland are the native Americans.
gordianot
(15,240 posts)I am all for dropping the term "homeland", "fatherland", "motherland". Given the number of abusers to the land we live including climate change deniers we should drop the term "Homeland" the place we all came from is Africa.