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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:37 AM Sep 2014

Ohio Governorship a done deal for Republicans and what we can learn from it.

I love history because I believe that those who learn from history can avoid the mistakes of the past. So what can we learn from the campaign of Ed FitzGerald in Ohio?

“Voting from the bottom to the top: That is the way we need to roll this year,” said Nina Turner, a candidate for secretary of state.

Translation: Ignore the contest for governor and concentrate on the down-ballot races for the five other statewide offices, where Democrats are challenging Republican incumbents.


I've spent the last couple hours reading news article after post on the Ohio Race. Focusing mostly on Ohio based news organizations. It's a disaster, a defeat of epic proportions in the making. So what happened? How did the Democrats nominate someone with such poor judgement that they would select a tax cheat as a Lieutenant Governor, and then forget to do the little things, like get a drivers license? Why does this matter anyway?

I've talked many times before about image. About how you say things, and how you present your arguments. Simply shouting that Republicans are awful doesn't win elections unless there has been a slew of articles and scandals breaking that show the Rethugs being awful. So you have to campaign for something. You have to present plans that are if not original, are then credited to smart people you are emulating. But there is one thing you can never do. You can never, under any circumstance, appear to think yourself special, blessed, or above the people you are asking to vote for you. In other words, you can't be arrogant, egotistical, or a member of the elites. You can never behave as though you think that the laws are for the little people, and not something that you personally must endure.

Those who are elected, or hired to work for the Government, are called Public Servants. The public expects the servants that they are going to elect will actually obey the laws that they pass for the public. If your campaign position is that Republicans don't have the rich pay their fair share of taxes, you better be sure you've paid your taxes. Because if you haven't, then you will drag down those around you.

The Drivers License thing was just stupid. While we can assume that Ed FitzGerald didn't know about Eric Kearney's tax issues before he was nominated as Lieutenant Governor, we can reasonably expect that Ed FitzGerald would have known he didn't have a Drivers License, especially when he was driving Government cars. That is the image of arrogance that I'm talking about. Oh I don't need a license you see, I'm elected, and nobody would issue me a citation.

In the old days, before the internet. You could safely expect much of this sort of thing to remain hidden unless you were caught red handed. Today, with the internet, you're screwed.

So what should we do as Democrats? We should encourage the parties. State, local, and national parties should spend a day sitting down with a candidate and letting them know that whatever dirt there is, no matter how deeply buried it might be, will come out. Vet them in other words. Then the candidate knows that the election cycle anal exam will be even worse, and if there is something they have hidden, they had better choose to proceed and hope it stays hidden, or drag it into the light themselves, and take the scandal out of the campaign early.

Imagine it friends. "Yes, I did screw up a few years ago. But I've learned, and I've made no secret of this mistake, and I've paid my dues, debts, and apologized for this mistake." Then you're a human, who like the rest of us, makes the mistakes that the rest of us do. You have admitted the mistake, and talked about the lessons you've learned. The news of the mistake lasts a day, or two, or a few days at the most depending on the enormity of the mistake, and then is over and history. If the Republicans bring it up later, you laugh and point to the interviews you gave on the mistake, and how it's a shame that the Republicans didn't bother to read the papers. You continue on your issues at that point, because you have already covered the mistake and it's out there in the light. Honesty is very endearing to voters. They don't expect you to be perfect, but they do expect you to be honest. They also expect you to learn from your mistakes, so if you have a DUI where you paid the normal penalty. No problem if it was a few years ago or more. If you have more than one DUI, find a new line of work. Because you didn't learn from the first one. The voters can tolerate a mistake if you learn from them, they can't and won't tolerate someone who won't learn from a mistake.

So from Ohio we learn, or I hope we do. Because we as a party need to learn from our mistakes too.
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Ohio Governorship a done deal for Republicans and what we can learn from it. (Original Post) Savannahmann Sep 2014 OP
I take a certain amount of grief here for throwing cold water on hopeless Democratic races... brooklynite Sep 2014 #1
Ohio's Dem party is an entrenched and obstructionist organization. riqster Sep 2014 #2
We need to clean house in the ODP Botany Sep 2014 #6
That's the way it was when I moved to Tennessee in 2000. SharonAnn Sep 2014 #9
^^this^^ irisblue Sep 2014 #10
This is the same Dem group in Ohio that... CincyDem Sep 2014 #3
you have a few things wrong Botany Sep 2014 #4
Yep - You are absolutely correct sir. CincyDem Sep 2014 #5
And Lee Fisher f****d the Democratic party in Ohio for years w/his junk lawsuit against Botany Sep 2014 #7
Lifelong resident of Ohio...... dawnie51 Sep 2014 #8
Curious rpannier Sep 2014 #11
The party discouraged him from running. riqster Sep 2014 #15
I Agree Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #12
No worries the Fitzgerald campaign just got in their yard signs. Botany Sep 2014 #13
The only thing left to do at this point is to have Gordon Lightfoot write a song. Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #14

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
1. I take a certain amount of grief here for throwing cold water on hopeless Democratic races...
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:40 AM
Sep 2014

...at least as far as making further political contributions, and this sadly (I have close connections to the leadership of ODP) is one of them. We will will PA, and have good prospects in FL, MI and WI, but OH has never jelled.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
2. Ohio's Dem party is an entrenched and obstructionist organization.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sep 2014

Add to that, opaque, arbitrary and immovable.

Activists try to participate and get shut out, marginalized, and made to feel unwelcome.

Pretty much a perpetual employment mechanism for Redfern and his cronies. I haven't the physical wherewithal to lead an overthrow, but would gladly help if someone younger and healthier could get something going.

Meanwhile, all we can do is GOTV and try to win despite our corrupt and counterproductive state party.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
6. We need to clean house in the ODP
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:34 AM
Sep 2014

I have always thought for years some of them have been working for the Rs.

I will always remember Tim Hagan's kick off dinner for his fall campaign for
Governor in Ohio was held in NYC and when asked which roller coaster in the
state he liked best the one at King's Island or the one at Cedar Point he said he
didn't like amusment parks.

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
9. That's the way it was when I moved to Tennessee in 2000.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

And they continued that behavior. Then the republicans took over the state House, the state Senate, the governorship, etc. and have been increasing their majority.

The Dems are still trying to get back to the past here in TN.

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
3. This is the same Dem group in Ohio that...
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:07 AM
Sep 2014


...passed over Jennifer Brunner to support Lee Fisher to go against Kasich in his first election. Brunner had more than a fighting chance but was deemed unsuitable because she didn't have the "long tenure of contribution to the Democratic Party in Ohio". Read that - she hadn't done her time.

Fisher, on the other hand, was actually lauded as a long loyal Democrat when the state organization endorsed him. Long ? Sheesh, the guy was 400 years old. I was in the room with him during an economic development meeting a few years before that election and he was archaic. I've been to wakes where the deceased was more lively.

What a disaster.

I guess all of this is to say that maybe the lesson we have to learn from the Tea Party is that this change happens at the precinct level where we can create changes in the statewide democratic organization. Without that, we'll be left with choices like Fisher v. Kasich and now Fitz v. Kasich.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
4. you have a few things wrong
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:25 AM
Sep 2014

Jennifer Brunner was running for the US Senate in a primary against Lee Fisher
Ted Strickland was running against Kasich in the general election for governor.

The OPD, Strickland, and certain members of the National Democratic Party
hamstrung Jennifer because "it wasn't her time" and made it all but impossible
for her to win and or raise the needed money for her race for senate. So we got
Fisher and he had so much baggage and he was so useless that he got stomped
by the man who helped to sink the American and Ohio's economy, Rob Portman.

Kasich is a crook, a founding member of ALEC, a koch sucker, and has very high
negative #s and he was ripe for the picking this year but in this and many other
races the ODP has been the limp groom on a wedding night.

BTW we have more Ds then Rs in this state but you would never know it.

BTW part 2 Kasich is going to run for President.

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
5. Yep - You are absolutely correct sir.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:31 AM
Sep 2014

They say you lose three things as you age - memory is the first and I can't remember the other two.

Putting Fisher up against Portman was almost Nixon v. Kennedy. Anyone looking at a picture of Portman standing next to Fisher would have sworn Portman was the Democrat, and unfortunately for some voters, that's about all it takes to win a vote.

thanks.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
7. And Lee Fisher f****d the Democratic party in Ohio for years w/his junk lawsuit against
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:45 AM
Sep 2014

.... a fellow democrat which he did in order to hurt that person so he could win an election.
Fisher is a first class prick.

I know Jennifer and she might not have won but she sure would have run a better race for
senate then Fisher who did what Fitzgerald is doing now by quiting the race early.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
8. Lifelong resident of Ohio......
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:11 AM
Sep 2014

For a state this size and of this importance, Ohio Dems do a lousy job providing voters with decent candidates. Kasich is a tool, as he demonstrated once again when he tried his damnedest to purge public unions. But he's not batshit crazy. I have never and will never vote for Kasich; he's a Fox News hack in my opinion, but what the hell did Democrats give us as an alternative? For every one Sherrod Brown we are given five Lee Fishers. Maybe Ohio just isn't that big a deal anymore, for all the noise that media makes of it. If Ohio was important, surely the Democrats would actually put some thought and effort into getting good Dems known and elected here.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
11. Curious
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:28 AM
Sep 2014

Why did the last governor choose not to try and get the seat back?
Was he just that damaged goods or what?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
15. The party discouraged him from running.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

He could have won this, but for the state party numbnuts.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
12. I Agree
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:32 AM
Sep 2014

I live in Ohio too, and I know Ohio's Democratic party is in shambles. They haven't been organized in years. Also, they have been sorely underfunded. A dismal failure.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
13. No worries the Fitzgerald campaign just got in their yard signs.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:37 AM
Sep 2014

Tom,

It's finally that time of year.

In campaigns, yard signs are the milestone that remind everyone there's no more time to waste. Every moment of the next 36 days counts.

Now is the time to step up and make sure our state isn't run by the wealthy and well-connected for another four years. https://secure.edfitzgerald.org/em_yardsigns

This is a campaign run by Ohioans for Ohioans. While Governor Kasich is palling around with RGA Chairman Governor Chris Christie tonight, Ed will be meeting with Oberlin educators and students. But that means we need every single one of you to give even just a little bit if we're going to make sure Ohio has a governor who works for you again.

Thank you,

Erin

Erin Ryan
Deputy Finance Director
Friends of FitzGerald-Neuhardt

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