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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:23 PM Sep 2014

Sen Bernie is NOT going to run as Dem, he's burning that bridge in his

interview statements.

"Longterm Democratic strategy is “pathetic” " with salon.com or maybe his anti everybody talking points just slipped out.

I doubt he'll run at all.

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Sen Bernie is NOT going to run as Dem, he's burning that bridge in his (Original Post) CK_John Sep 2014 OP
I don't see how this would exclude him dflprincess Sep 2014 #1
Maybe Bernie can turn the Dem ship around. I'd be all for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #58
Link here, and it's Salon, not solon. Electric Monk Sep 2014 #2
"Longterm Democratic strategy is “pathetic” " malokvale77 Sep 2014 #3
Ditto! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #7
The long term Democratic Strategy of "Not as bad" is pathetic. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #4
He said a lot more than that. That phrase is just being pushed here. A complete read freshwest Sep 2014 #5
It IS pathetic. Can you elaborate on "anti everybody talking points"? What do you mean? arcane1 Sep 2014 #6
Sen. Sanders can, and I hope he is the next President of the United States TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #8
Then why did he go to Iowa. Also, your premise because he is critical of Democratic strategy does still_one Sep 2014 #9
I hope to hell Senator Sanders does run. And as a Democrat. n/t emulatorloo Sep 2014 #10
Hope is a good thing but...IMO the Sen is more of a talker than a doer. CK_John Sep 2014 #11
Who are the "doers" in Congress that he should have been emulating all these years? TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #61
You're always right. Iggo Sep 2014 #12
You're damn right about that. CK_John Sep 2014 #18
His record speaks for itself! pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #22
If you're talking about political alignment, I agree with you. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #40
The GOP just won the 2016 presidential election william cail Sep 2014 #13
I said I don't think he will run at all. CK_John Sep 2014 #16
If we get hillary we get a republican president...... bowens43 Sep 2014 #17
I'm not sure Grandma is going run either. CK_John Sep 2014 #21
"Grandma?" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #29
+1. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #30
She is now a grandma. CK_John Sep 2014 #36
We do as humans, like to rationalize our little digs at others as somehow relevant... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #60
Especially in a thread about Bernie Sanders, who's six years older N/T bornskeptic Sep 2014 #63
Bookmarking!!! Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #44
This. bigwillq Sep 2014 #25
"Better to lose with integrity" CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #35
Did voting for the last guy help the poor or the rich ? CentralMass Sep 2014 #27
Well there you have it, you damn liberals Union Scribe Sep 2014 #37
"Out of touch liberals", eh? LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #59
Another empty BS prognostication pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #14
How do you turn an opinion into a prognostication. Why are you so afraid of opinions???? CK_John Sep 2014 #19
If you want to call it an "opinion," okay... pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #28
Afraid of opinions, that is the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. CK_John Sep 2014 #31
I'm afraid that not everyone passed Reading Comprehension pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #32
That never stopped many of the members of DU from signing up and making posts! Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #45
I see your Magic 8-Ball and raise you my cock Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #38
sounds to me like he is on the right track.... bowens43 Sep 2014 #15
He would need to come with lots of campaign funds, dont know if he can get the backers. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #20
The Koch brothers already have convert groups setup in every state and would CK_John Sep 2014 #24
Elizabeth Warren spent $42 mil to get elected as senator, multiply that times 50 to get Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #33
I doubt he will run on any ticket. CK_John Sep 2014 #34
As an Independent, not a chance madville Sep 2014 #39
I agree Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #53
I read those words as sage advice. He is trying to save the dems. morningfog Sep 2014 #23
Your assertion kind of proves him right. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #26
Just sounds like truth to me onecaliberal Sep 2014 #41
You know what would be the most delicious thing of all? MelungeonWoman Sep 2014 #42
He is simply stating the truth AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #43
He won't run. From what I'm hearing, his "feelers" went out, and came back wanting. At this point, Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #46
The mirror would be the best spot to locate angry and bitter. What he stated is the truth. TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #54
Thanks for your assessment, but I'll stick with my own. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #64
yes, even if we don't hear Democrats openly mocking him for this... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #47
If he doesn't run as a Dem, fuck 'em. He can go to hell. baldguy Sep 2014 #48
My thoughts too and I love Bernie. . B Calm Sep 2014 #49
I don't care what he runs as newfie11 Sep 2014 #50
I am quite thankful that Bernie is at least exploring a run rurallib Sep 2014 #51
CK you know better than to make a blanket statement like that and expect it to stick madokie Sep 2014 #52
I don't think this hurts him with Democrats. I'm not sure many Democrats disagree. stevenleser Sep 2014 #55
Sad state of affairs when telling the truth is considered burning bridges. Autumn Sep 2014 #56
I hope Bernie runs as a democrat. CentralMass Sep 2014 #57
The odds of him running as an independent are zero. joshcryer Sep 2014 #62

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
3. "Longterm Democratic strategy is “pathetic” "
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:32 PM
Sep 2014

He's right about that.

Many people are yearning for a party that cares about the 99%. the Democratic Party, no longer fits that bill.

Maybe Senator Sanders knows a thing or two.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
4. The long term Democratic Strategy of "Not as bad" is pathetic.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:34 PM
Sep 2014
"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. He said a lot more than that. That phrase is just being pushed here. A complete read
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:34 PM
Sep 2014
of the Salon article, or even the thread itself gives the reason he will likely run as a Democrat, as he said he might on MTP.

I posted on that thread:

Will the Left or Right read this:

Koch brothers... do a very effective job of taking the discontent... and channeling it in exactly the wrong direction.

If media is any guide, 2014 voters will disenfranchise themselves by apathy or a refusal to decide.

'If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.'


Which means the Koch brothers win.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014833821#post10

Freewill by Rush:

There are those who think
That life has nothing left to chance
A host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance

A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings of powers we cannot perceive
The stars aren't aligned or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill

There are those who think
That they were dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them
They weren't born in Lotus Land

All preordained, a prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face, you can pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill

Each of us, a cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends with uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill

Just about every defeatist meme is covered in that song.

I contend if Bernie doesn't run in 2016, it will be because of the lack of concern about his issues on the part of voters this year, not 2016. I posted a video of him almost begging people to vote this year.

The crowd didn't want to talk about that, they were hyped up about other things. He said that the people who will be hurt the most are least likely to vote.

There's little time to dally on what we are facing now. He knows this. He also knows the fickleness of many who say they adore him and support what he says, but are too good to show up and vote for the party he caucuses with. He could have gotten more done with more Democrats there.

It's not a popularity contest, or who can woo voters. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake in this election. Those who can afford to sit out now will find reasons to do the same in 2016, or on any local elections that shape their own lives. Bernie isn't running for state houses, governor, mayor, school boards, election positions or the HoR. That's what composes the fabric of our lives from the ground up.

As far as Sanders is concerned, I truly want him to run as a Democrat and get on that debate stage in the primaries. Tell the American poeple what is going on. But I sensed he is about done from that video.

He has tried, as many others have, to lead the horse to waters, but they won't drink. After a while, he and many others like him are just going to go home and leave the rest of us to what we deserve for not voting. He left the meeting in the video after he couldn't get anyone to care about the election by saying his wife was waiting for him and he had to go.

Why should he bother to go through all fifty states, if we won't vote?


still_one

(92,232 posts)
9. Then why did he go to Iowa. Also, your premise because he is critical of Democratic strategy does
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014

NOT exclude him from running as a Democrat. There have been many instances of Democrats running for political office that have been critical of party direction

 

william cail

(32 posts)
13. The GOP just won the 2016 presidential election
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

Why would Bernie Sanders help the Republicans in 2016? If he does run that would mean a guaranteed win for them. The out of touch liberals will vote for him, splitting the vote. Then the people who are depended on the safety net will be the losers. No more Medicare Medicaid, SS will be gone, child labor laws gone, ect.

The rich out of touch DU'ers will prove that they don't care about the poor by voting for Bernie Sanders. Remember third party candidates always act as a spoiler. They don't win.

It will be 2000 all over again.

I do hope Hillary will do everything on her power to discredit Bernie. This country can't afford a Republican president.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
17. If we get hillary we get a republican president......
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:58 PM
Sep 2014

better to lose with integrity then to just vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.....

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. "Grandma?"
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 10:46 PM
Sep 2014

Look, I'm last in line for a Clinton ticket, but c'mon, we don't need to throw ageist bullshit on the pile.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
60. We do as humans, like to rationalize our little digs at others as somehow relevant...
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:54 AM
Sep 2014

We do as humans, like to rationalize our little digs at others as somehow relevant...

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
44. Bookmarking!!!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 02:10 AM
Sep 2014

I believe this is the first instance on DU that she has been called Grandma!

And rightfully so!!!

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
35. "Better to lose with integrity"
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:15 PM
Sep 2014

So, is "integrity" going to help you with a Republican president rubber-stamping Teabagger legislation?

These are not 50's Eisenhower-style Republicans you're talking about. These are people who say things out loud such as women who have abortions should be hanged, along with the doctors who assist.

…but at least you'll feel good about your integrity when people like this are crafting legislation for their fellow GOPer in the WH to sign into law?

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
37. Well there you have it, you damn liberals
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:19 PM
Sep 2014

If you even think about voting for Bernie Sanders, your children will work themselves to death in the mines!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
59. "Out of touch liberals", eh?
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:29 AM
Sep 2014

Indeed, we should just shut up and cheer as the party adapts Republican policies. Yay Republodems!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
28. If you want to call it an "opinion," okay...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 10:42 PM
Sep 2014

...your..."OPINION"...SUCKS.

And I guarantee, NO ONE is afraid of your opinions.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. He would need to come with lots of campaign funds, dont know if he can get the backers.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 10:17 PM
Sep 2014

I seriously doubt he would win the presidency

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
24. The Koch brothers already have convert groups setup in every state and would
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 10:32 PM
Sep 2014

gladly pony up 50 mil or so to get a 3 party on the ballot.

The receiver of this funding would never know who, where, or when.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. Elizabeth Warren spent $42 mil to get elected as senator, multiply that times 50 to get
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:04 PM
Sep 2014

What one needs to run for president. He probably will not get much from corporations since they try to straddle possible winners and don't see him as a possible. A third party will throw the election and in that case it will prove he is more for the GOP than DNC. I am not saying he wont, he may be more interested in causing havoc than trying to do good.

madville

(7,412 posts)
39. As an Independent, not a chance
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:35 PM
Sep 2014

No way an Independent wins this next cycle. If he ran as a Democrat there's no way he gets through the primary, too old and too honest. Run as an Independent in the national election and wick 3-5% from the Democratic nominee, big help to the other side.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. Your assertion kind of proves him right.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 10:39 PM
Sep 2014

How dare we criticize the party! Infidel! heretic! Burn him, BUUUURRRRRRRN!!!

ifthe party can't take criticism or self-examine, it's just a branch of the republicans. and that is, indeed, fucking pathetic.

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
42. You know what would be the most delicious thing of all?
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:52 PM
Sep 2014

If Bernie gets the Dem nod and Repubs pick some teaparty nutjob. What in the world would the oligarchs do?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
46. He won't run. From what I'm hearing, his "feelers" went out, and came back wanting. At this point,
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 04:26 AM
Sep 2014

he's just another Angry Old Man, like John McCain, who's pissed that his time came & went. Why not take it out on Democrats?

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
54. The mirror would be the best spot to locate angry and bitter. What he stated is the truth.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

If Sanders is angry it is because democracy, broad prosperity, equality under the law, and basic liberties are passing America by.

Sanders is not the problem in this country and I say you know better but are on a campaign to attack the left often and with any cudgel you can lay hands on no matter how ill fitting it may be.

Fucking Rush Limbaugh emulating "Democrats" who all day every day snipe at the left, snarl at liberals, and looking for commies under every rock. What dishonest gremlins we have in our works. Just a bunch of temporarily embarrassed Republicans looking for a less shameful right wing, what happened did the Teabaggers push them out or are they first waive interlopers from the Koch whores to assimilate the Democratic party?

Either way they are more dangerous than cancer, I sez.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
47. yes, even if we don't hear Democrats openly mocking him for this...
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:25 AM
Sep 2014

.... he'll never get their support now. (I'm referring to congressional and senate Dems, the DCCC, DSCC, DNC, etc.)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
48. If he doesn't run as a Dem, fuck 'em. He can go to hell.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:27 AM
Sep 2014

If he saps support from the Dem nom and allows the Republican to win, he'll be just as bad as Nader. Fuck 'em.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
50. I don't care what he runs as
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:57 AM
Sep 2014

He has my vote. I don't see anyone that is potentially running that doesn't have the same old soundbytes. Been through that and it's not been pretty.
Time to try a different approach.

rurallib

(62,424 posts)
51. I am quite thankful that Bernie is at least exploring a run
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:37 AM
Sep 2014

just by exploring he is going to force issues into the public discourse that have been sequestered by the two parties and the media. We need a discussion on income inequality and the climate and our insistence that every problem in the world is a military problem.

Sanders has said over and over that he will not run as a third party he will not be the one that splits the left. Are you scared of political discourse?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
52. CK you know better than to make a blanket statement like that and expect it to stick
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:39 AM
Sep 2014

We'll know shortly after the filing period closes and possibly not a moment sooner.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
55. I don't think this hurts him with Democrats. I'm not sure many Democrats disagree.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:22 AM
Sep 2014

We don't have a particularly good longterm strategy.

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
56. Sad state of affairs when telling the truth is considered burning bridges.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
Sep 2014

He can burn them all he wants, I'm still standing with Bernie.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
57. I hope Bernie runs as a democrat.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:53 AM
Sep 2014

He wouldn't have gotten the party hierarchies support no matter what he did.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
62. The odds of him running as an independent are zero.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

Nader showed what happened to a politician who tried that divisive BS.

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