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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:12 AM Sep 2014

Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder Leaves Office (Good Riddance)

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/25/obamas-attorney-general-eric-holder-leaves-office-good-riddance

Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder Leaves Office (Good Riddance)
by Dave Lindorff
CommonDreams

....
A corporate lawyer with the Wall Street law firm Covington & Burling, Holder will be remembered for his timid defense of civil rights; his overseeing and even encouragement of the massive militarization of the nation’s police forces; his anti-First Amendment efforts to pursue not just whistleblowers but the journalists who use them; threatening both with jail and in fact jailing a number of them (particularly in the case of whistleblower extraordinaire Edward Snowden, and WikiLeaks journalist Julian Assange, both of whom reportedly face U.S. treason charges); and his weak enforcement of environmental protection laws.

But Holder, who came into his position as the nation’s top law enforcement officer in early 2009 at the start of the Obama administration and at the height of the financial crisis, will be best remembered for his overt announcement that there would be no attempt to prosecute the criminals at the top of the nation’s top banks, whose brazen crimes of theft, deceit, fraud and perjury during the Bush/Cheney years and beyond sank not just the U.S. but the global economy into a crisis which is still with us.

Holder not only did not make any effort to put Wall Street’s banking titans behind bars for their epic crimes, he did not even make them step down from their exalted and absurdly highly compensated executive positions when his office reached negotiated settlements with the banks in civil cases involving those crimes—civil cases that almost always allowed the banks to settle without even having to admit their guilt. (His ludicrous excuse: punishing these criminal executive might jeopardize the banks’ stocks and hurt “innocent” shareholders!) Nor was this legal benevalence limited to purely financial crimes. Banks like Citicorp and HSBC, which were found to have knowingly laundered millions—even billions—of dollars in drug money for drug cartels, were also allowed by Holder to escape with petty fines, and no prosecution of a single bank executive....
....
The illegal and unconstitutional wars continue in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are now being expanded into Africa and Syria and, at least by proxy, but most dangerously, to Ukraine. Civil liberties are under attack at least as severely as they were back in the McCarthy period, with whistleblowers being jailed, the president asserting the unfettered right to order the killing without trial of American citizens, and a spying system in place run by the National Security Agency that is monitoring and storing, by its own admission, virtually all electronic communications of the American people. The government is also as closed and secret in its operation as it has been since 1974, when it was broadened following the Watergate and Cointelpro scandals, and is certainly less transparent and open than it was even under Bush/Cheney. The Obama administration has also done little to nothing about tackling carbon emissions despite the president’s lies to the contrary in his address to the UN.

In all of this extraordinary list of treachery and cowardice, Holder has played his sycophantic role as a defender of corporate America, of white privilege, and of Washington power. He has been both the John Ashcroft and the Alberto Gonzalez of the Obama administration. (Actually, that comparison is unfair to John Ashcroft, who at least was a man of conviction—repellent as some of those convictions may have been. In Holder’s case, we have a man not of principle, but who is simply a corporate lawyer, ready to do his clients’ bidding, however sordid and corrupt.)
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Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder Leaves Office (Good Riddance) (Original Post) woo me with science Sep 2014 OP
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #1
Out himself as what? whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #7
Out himself as not a koolaid drinker, I guess. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #9
So we've come to this? raindaddy Sep 2014 #12
so there are no Moderate Democrats? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #13
so Moderate Democrats approve of illegal wars? leftstreet Sep 2014 #18
apparently Belgium Denmark France Great Brittian VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #19
LOL the UK's sending 6 Tornado GR4 bombers. Token n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #22
and that proves YOUR point how? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #23
Response to your subject-change n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #24
not a subject change at all..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #25
sigh leftstreet Sep 2014 #27
and I disproved your contention VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #28
LOL leftstreet Sep 2014 #30
I tell thr truth....you just think its funny. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #35
She has a history of doing that. nt Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #75
Purging the party??? raindaddy Sep 2014 #21
not when i am not on the side of those that do VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #37
bwahahahahaha. cali Sep 2014 #46
As opposed to those who post articles geek tragedy Sep 2014 #59
The party is advancing raindaddy Sep 2014 #67
I don't follow? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #14
why not? Shouldn't Democrats be proud? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #20
I'm not into going along to get along. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #40
Exactly. Too bad all the "true progressives" can't put the effort into bashing the GOP that FSogol Sep 2014 #11
Right. Progressives on this site only bash Democrats and never bash Republicans. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #43
Some pseudo-'progressives' here do exactly that emulatorloo Sep 2014 #79
And what of the pseudo-democrats always FlatStanley Sep 2014 #81
The DCCC supports my liberal rep's campaign. As to DU emulatorloo Sep 2014 #84
The idea of buying Democratic disrupters seem a little paranoid to me. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #91
If you don't want to cooperate with those who don't entirely agree with you treestar Sep 2014 #93
You should educate yourself on Jill Stein and the Green Party. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #94
At least they are Democrats treestar Sep 2014 #88
A D is a D is slow slide to the right. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #90
Still part of your same party treestar Sep 2014 #92
There are some treestar Sep 2014 #87
That's probably true but I haven't seen it myself. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #89
That Rachel video was great! She went out and showed the TPer's ignorance! Great! freshwest Sep 2014 #73
yes. common dreams. a liberal site that we've been linking to for years and years. cali Sep 2014 #26
and I call myself Liberal ....but I am a realist VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #31
you can call yourself whatever you want. cali Sep 2014 #42
but there most certainly are Far Left Fringers VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #45
Dave Lindorff, the author of this drivel, geek tragedy Sep 2014 #56
I can call myself a tulip bulb but that doesn't make it so LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #55
People who share an outlook with Lindorff geek tragedy Sep 2014 #57
I made no comment wrt the article LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #60
Speaking of 'outing' oneself! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #32
as a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #38
Thanks, that is what I thought. The article is completely accurate regarding Holder's sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #49
Yes common dreams seriously? It must be a tad bit too liberal for your taste Autumn Sep 2014 #36
do you watch Dr Rachel Maddow at all? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #39
No I don't watch TV. Haven't for years and not gonna start now. Autumn Sep 2014 #41
no wonder.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #44
I don't need to watch TV, I can get better informaion reading Liberal sites, like Common Dreams Autumn Sep 2014 #47
if you like conspiracy theories I suppose VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #51
conspiracy theories??? No I stay out of the creative speculation group Autumn Sep 2014 #53
I already asked that question 'what is incorrect in the article'. Apparently there is nothing sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #52
As far as I can tell from reading the article, the problem may be the lack Autumn Sep 2014 #54
This feeds right into the GOP hate machine. I won't do it! FarPoint Sep 2014 #2
Sadly we must not only fight voter apathy in this country but we also must fight blind allegiance rhett o rick Sep 2014 #29
Well.. sendero Sep 2014 #68
I think you are being too kind. Not only didn't he do what needed to be done, but he caused rhett o rick Sep 2014 #72
DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #3
He was "just following orders". K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #4
Or the exact opposite. woo me with science Sep 2014 #5
Long held the real Wellstone ruled Sep 2014 #6
The same people that love job destroying "free" trade deals, labor undercutting visas, austerity, TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #82
It was just time for him to make some real money. zeemike Sep 2014 #8
Yep. The job of Wall Street Toady and Hit Man woo me with science Sep 2014 #10
Wall st. owes him big time! Nobody guiltyof anything in financial collapse. dmosh42 Sep 2014 #16
Well, maybe too busy sending Birkenfeld up: woo me with science Sep 2014 #17
Wow! I never heard of this story before, only that UBS had settled. dmosh42 Sep 2014 #74
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #15
It's like 5 Hour Energy drink, only it's more like 8 Hour Hate. randome Sep 2014 #33
I really don't see any hope on the horizon. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #34
Lindorff is a Paulbot and Obama hater extraordinaire geek tragedy Sep 2014 #48
No surprise there. nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #64
Woo woo! Egnever Sep 2014 #50
Awesome post. 99Forever Sep 2014 #58
Holder could only operate in the tight cocoon of Wall Street and our Fascist culture . If he dared geretogo Sep 2014 #61
The system is corrupt. Those who serve the machine woo me with science Sep 2014 #63
If your conspiracy is true then citizenship requires revolution TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #65
Now we are publishing Ron Paul supporters???? msanthrope Sep 2014 #62
From another thread "Good Riddance" one of the repeated republican talking points Sheepshank Sep 2014 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #69
Awww...you gave the DU Haters a sadz... Rex Sep 2014 #70
Amazing that such intense vitriol is directed at DU many times daily by people carolinayellowdog Sep 2014 #77
Some here know that it is a golden ticket, you can hate on DU all day long Rex Sep 2014 #80
Seems like they spend 18 or 20 hours a day on a site they despise QC Sep 2014 #83
But of course, any praise for an appointee would be praise for Obama and we can't have any of that. great white snark Sep 2014 #71
I will miss him. A fine AG! 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #76
A few more Dems like Holder and our "Lesser Evil" status will be in jeopardy nt Teamster Jeff Sep 2014 #78
May I say that this is very silly. ucrdem Sep 2014 #85
Maybe Holder will have time now to take some remedial courses in constitutional law. Vattel Sep 2014 #86

Response to woo me with science (Original post)

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
12. So we've come to this?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:42 PM
Sep 2014

It's not only acceptable to think and act like a moderate Republican and call yourself a Democrat it's become mandatory.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
19. apparently Belgium Denmark France Great Brittian
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:45 PM
Sep 2014

And 5 count em 5 Arab nations disagree with your "illegal war" assessment. So WHO is out of touch with reality you or them?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
23. and that proves YOUR point how?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:56 PM
Sep 2014

And doesnt address at all Belgiun France and Denmark...


But its ALL about oil right because Pres. Obama == GWB RIGHT?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
25. not a subject change at all.....
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:59 PM
Sep 2014

It proves my point.....you are on the wrong side of history


Besides i wasnt the subject change to the war now was I?

leftstreet

(36,112 posts)
27. sigh
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

I asked you, in your capacity as an expert on 'moderate Democrats,' if they approve of illegal wars

You said, 'but, but Belgium!'

That made to sense to me other than a change of subject. You wanted to talk about the coalition of the (latest) willing. I thought you wanted to discuss just how willing they are

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. and I disproved your contention
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014

That it is Illegal since many not so Consevatve coumtries are electing to join us in what you call illegal

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
35. I tell thr truth....you just think its funny.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:09 PM
Sep 2014

When nations like Denmark and Belgium disagree with you......you are not facing the facts...and I find THAT funny

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
21. Purging the party???
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:55 PM
Sep 2014

Isn't that what you're doing when you suggest someone is "outing themselves" because you think the source of the post is too liberal?
I noticed you had nothing to add as far as the content of the post... So what exactly are you trying to communicate other than you have some vague problem with the source? Maybe you could "out yourself" and suggest what specifically you didn't agree with and then there could be a real discussion.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
37. not when i am not on the side of those that do
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:12 PM
Sep 2014

Nothing on DU but bash ALL democrats not named Elizabeth Warren...who ironically used to be a republican...but is a darling of the fringe left. .

Do you really stand by a contention that there is no one here that means to disrupt the Democratic party not advance it.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
67. The party is advancing
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:59 PM
Sep 2014

Just not in the direction many of us want... Sounds like as a "moderate" democrat you like the corporate, Wall Street friendly direction the party has taken. So you spend your time disrupting those of us who would like to see the party get back to its traditional roots.

If you had a legitimate claim that the article in question was disrupting or bashing you would've made some specific points. Your only point seems to be that in your version of the Dem party there's no room for criticism...

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
14. I don't follow?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:15 PM
Sep 2014

My take on CD is that it is fairly harsh on the Democratic Party. I think the original comment was to suggest that referencing CD meant you weren't a true Democrat.

My koolaid reference was to highlight how difficult can sometimes be to not fawn over all Democratic politicians and appointments.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
20. why not? Shouldn't Democrats be proud?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:46 PM
Sep 2014

Its the bash Democrats from the far Left that feeds the meme that is the rightwing bailiwick that both parties are the same and THAT meme depresses turnout. I think we should be loud and proud of our acheivements

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
40. I'm not into going along to get along.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014

And identifying failures is not bashing from the left. And while some might think this is feeding into a Republican meme, certainly accepting center right policies fits into a Republican governing philosophy which is far more harmful than a meme.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
11. Exactly. Too bad all the "true progressives" can't put the effort into bashing the GOP that
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:32 PM
Sep 2014

they put into bashing our side.

And to the Holder haters, need a list of the bankers he prosecuted? Check here and click on any month of any year he was AG:

http://www.stopfraud.gov/news-index.html

emulatorloo

(44,184 posts)
79. Some pseudo-'progressives' here do exactly that
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sep 2014

YouBetterBelieve it was a pretty good example of that.

Pot stirrers and Rove/Koch operatives pretending to be leftists. Constant attacks on Democrats, never or rarely saying negative things about Republicans.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
81. And what of the pseudo-democrats always
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 04:18 PM
Sep 2014

Pushing DLC/DCCC/Third Way Democrats? They ever so gently keeping nudging the party to the right because, you know, the lesser evil theory.

emulatorloo

(44,184 posts)
84. The DCCC supports my liberal rep's campaign. As to DU
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:57 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Sep 28, 2014, 01:48 PM - Edit history (2)

I think you over-estimate the influence of DLC/Third way here.

And I guarantee you Karl Rove and the Koch brothers have a lot of money to buy disruptors. Dems don't have that kind of cash.

"the lesser evil" isn't a 'theory.' It is a way to describe the decisions a voter has to make in every election.

Even if my rep was more conservative than he is, adding another deranged teabagger to the House who wants to kill social security, end the minimum wage, and make abortion illegal is not an option for us.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
91. The idea of buying Democratic disrupters seem a little paranoid to me.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 04:19 PM
Sep 2014

But the idea of Rove funding Republican Lite seems entirely reasonable.

As for wrestling with the lesser of two, I don't have that problem. I don't use binary thinking. I vote the candidate that reflects my philosophy. In 2008 I thought that candidate was the President. In 2012 I thought that candidate was Jill Stein.

I'm hoping in 2016 that candidate will be Bernie Sanders. I know that camdidate won't be Hillary.

My only reason to vote Hillary will be as an opportunity for a female President. But
That is the ONLY reason. And it might not be sufficient for me.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
93. If you don't want to cooperate with those who don't entirely agree with you
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

You'll be stuck on the fringes. Where Jill Stein, whoever that is, is. The rest of the citizenry doesn't care about your philosophy.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
94. You should educate yourself on Jill Stein and the Green Party.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 07:20 PM
Sep 2014

She ran a national campaign. It's disconcerting l you never heard of her. Perhaps you should look beyond the candidates fed you by the oligarchs. Unless you find that kind of "democracy" easier. I stay out here on the fringe, with people who actually care about the future.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
92. Still part of your same party
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

Unless you want to quit and join another party.

It's a coalition like all political groups are.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. yes. common dreams. a liberal site that we've been linking to for years and years.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

long before YOU became a member.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. you can call yourself whatever you want.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:19 PM
Sep 2014

there is no such thing as a "common dreamer". Common Dreams is a well respected source here, Vanill. Whine about it as much as you want; hell alert on it.

You're a total partisan. And your views seem to be very much those of the conservative wing of the democratic party. It takes all kinds.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
56. Dave Lindorff, the author of this drivel,
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:32 PM
Sep 2014

is not a respectable source any more than Ann Coulter or Paul Craig Roberts.

He endorsed Ron Paul.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
60. I made no comment wrt the article
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:37 PM
Sep 2014

because while I have it book marked I admit I haven't yet read it, so I offered to comment one way or another.

My remark to the poster I addressed was simply that that one can call themselves anything, but that doesn't make it so. Weeeeee! I'm the King of England!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. Speaking of 'outing' oneself!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:07 PM
Sep 2014

Now, can you point to anything in the article that is not true? THAT is how you prove that a source is not credible.

Until you can do that, this article describes Holder's term as AG perferctly.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. Thanks, that is what I thought. The article is completely accurate regarding Holder's
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:22 PM
Sep 2014

term as AG. Glad he's going, but not too hopeful that we will get anyone who isn't, as he was, a Friend of Wall St.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
36. Yes common dreams seriously? It must be a tad bit too liberal for your taste
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:11 PM
Sep 2014
What is incorrect in the article?
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
39. do you watch Dr Rachel Maddow at all?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:15 PM
Sep 2014

Perhaps you should have....because her dmshow last night said the exact opposite of this garbage...

I am a Liberal....just not Far Left Fringe.....which is what Common Dreams represents.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
41. No I don't watch TV. Haven't for years and not gonna start now.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014
I do enjoy reading Liberal sites, such as Common dreams. Oops did I out myself?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
47. I don't need to watch TV, I can get better informaion reading Liberal sites, like Common Dreams
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

and DU

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
51. if you like conspiracy theories I suppose
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:23 PM
Sep 2014

Whatever feeds you preconceived narrative...if thats what you need

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
53. conspiracy theories??? No I stay out of the creative speculation group
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:26 PM
Sep 2014
and a couple of other's that are loaded with CS .

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. I already asked that question 'what is incorrect in the article'. Apparently there is nothing
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

incorrect there since I received no response to my request just another ad hom.

But if you watch the 'Corporate Media' you will be better informed!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
54. As far as I can tell from reading the article, the problem may be the lack
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

of high praise and adoration. I may be wrong but that's the only problem I can see with it.

FarPoint

(12,443 posts)
2. This feeds right into the GOP hate machine. I won't do it!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:51 AM
Sep 2014

I watched Rachel Maddows last night where she reviewed Eric Holders service. He deserves the respect from our Party. He earned it! He has mine. We do not have all the inside details... Not by a long shot. We are all too familiar with the GOP 24/7 obstruction campaign and blayton racism on the side. So, with that note..Thank You Mr. Holder for your service.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. Sadly we must not only fight voter apathy in this country but we also must fight blind allegiance
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Sep 2014

of others. The same attitude of those that blindly followed Bush now shows up in the Democratic Party. To overlook the disaster that follows Holder, as described above, because he is a Democrat and that "we don't have all the inside details.." is just plain denial.

The lower classes in this country are in a free fall and I beg you to fight for fair and honest representation. Holder will go back thru the revolving door and get high-fives plus a lucrative job from those he refused to regulate to the detriment of the 99%. He is not a friend of the 99%.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
68. Well..
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:59 PM
Sep 2014

..... said my friend. The level of pernicious mediocrity that is acceptable around here is unbelievable.

Holder was a zero. He did 10% of the things he should have done. Heckuva job Holdie would be totally appropriate.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
72. I think you are being too kind. Not only didn't he do what needed to be done, but he caused
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

untold damage. Sending medical marijuana dispensers to prison for long terms was mean and underhanded. Punishing those that need medical help while not punishing those that profited from millions of Americans losing their homes, THEIR HOMES.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
5. Or the exact opposite.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014

It's too bad this administration was OBSTRUCTED from getting rid of all those Bush/Cheney policies!!!!!11!1

It's too bad that all his appointees and his entire administration keep doing exactly the opposite of what Obama clearly wants to do!!!!1111

You gotta stay loose with the excuses.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Long held the real
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:52 PM
Sep 2014

plausible reason Holder kissed the boots of Wall Street was what happened when Enron was dismantled. Had a Aurthur Anderson Branch office as a client at the time. Some fourteen hundred people dumped in the street and this branch only did business in the upper mid west. All of these folks did not have anything to do will Enron but they still got whacked. Could this have been a contributing factor in not touching the Lords and Ladies of the Dollar? Just my observation.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
82. The same people that love job destroying "free" trade deals, labor undercutting visas, austerity,
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:12 PM
Sep 2014

deregulated and dishonest markets, and won't even begin to consider entertaining the thought of government jobs programs?

Please.

Pure rationalization to blaze a path to excusing the unexcusable pushed by the shady fucks that want to rob and pillage with impunity then mimicked by the naive and the overly optimistic to give themselves a narrative that allows them to swallow shit that does not even begin to compute without the aid of suspension of disbelief.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
8. It was just time for him to make some real money.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:28 PM
Sep 2014

He will get his seat on the board of directors and a position in a major company with a multi million sining bonus...reward for a job well done.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. It's like 5 Hour Energy drink, only it's more like 8 Hour Hate.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:07 PM
Sep 2014

All the cool kids are doing it!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
48. Lindorff is a Paulbot and Obama hater extraordinaire
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

who also is a cheerleader for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This is what I would expect from him. And I expect those who share his outlook to lap his nonsense up.

P.S. Holder has the best civil rights record of any AG since WWII. And that includes RFK's tenure.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
61. Holder could only operate in the tight cocoon of Wall Street and our Fascist culture . If he dared
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:07 PM
Sep 2014

move out side the cocoon he would have been shot or impeached . It does not matter who is AG
he or she would have no more power than Wall ST. and the oligarchs allow the AG or
the president to have . That's pretty obvious to me .

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
63. The system is corrupt. Those who serve the machine
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:25 PM
Sep 2014

are usually selected, nurtured, and funded by the corporate class based on their willingness and capability of serving the machine.

Obama was making speeches to select groups about slashing social programs as early as 2006. They just didn't publicize that part of his past when he started running as the "Hope and Change" candidate:

Obama on cutting Social Security: "This is not a bloodless process..." "Too many of us have been interested in defending programs as written in 1938":



More here: Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315


And Eric Holder was selected by Obama for Attorney General after already having "gotten Chiquita execs off with a hand slap for paying $1.7 million to rightwing death squads in Colombia, to slaughter 4,000 union leaders and workers":



.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
65. If your conspiracy is true then citizenship requires revolution
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

Either sharpen your pitchfork and light your torch or hold officials accountable without your curve for a fantasy.

Why this close to an election are you proclaiming our votes to be null and void, just a prop piece in a play put on by our true rulers?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
66. From another thread "Good Riddance" one of the repeated republican talking points
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:55 PM
Sep 2014

and you choose to repeat it on Dem web site. Nice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025588642#post33 with post after post stating that those talking points are nobe being used on DU, yet here we are....WTF?

Response to woo me with science (Original post)

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
77. Amazing that such intense vitriol is directed at DU many times daily by people
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

who are both addicted to the site and overwhelmed by hatred for it. I can only see 20 of 76 replies.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. Some here know that it is a golden ticket, you can hate on DU all day long
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

and pretend it is over X, Y or Z. Seen it done before on DU1 and DU2, boring and predictable. They know they will get a huge thread, because some of us like this place and will complain that they are just stirring the shit.

QC

(26,371 posts)
83. Seems like they spend 18 or 20 hours a day on a site they despise
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:54 PM
Sep 2014

just so that they can announce over and over how worthless is that site where they apparently spend 18-20 hours a day.

Weird.

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
71. But of course, any praise for an appointee would be praise for Obama and we can't have any of that.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:28 PM
Sep 2014

Sorry contributors to Common Dreams but Mr. Holder was never going to raize Wall St. or personally execute GWB for past crimes.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
85. May I say that this is very silly.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014

Holder focused on civil rights, voting rights, and other issues that "left libertarians" apparently never noticed. And did an outstanding job. He'll be very hard to replace.

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