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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:55 AM Sep 2014

Dana Milbank: Obama endures as the lesser evil for liberals

Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank wrote in response to a small anti-war protest near the White House:

The anti-Obama left was out in force. All 22 of them.

As the president stood on the South Lawn to announce the bombing campaign in Syria, liberal demonstrators gathered on Pennsylvania Avenue on the other side of the White House to protest the man they thought was their ally.


The liberal activists’ list of grievances was long: drone warfare, insufficient action on climate change and wages, “failed economic policies,” bending to corporate interests. But the roll call of activists was short: Obama starts a war, multiple antiwar groups schedule a joint demonstration with plenty of advance warning — and only 22 people show up?

It was the latest display of how Obama has neutralized the left.

He has disappointed liberal constituencies on immigration, on climate change, on Guantanamo Bay and targeted killings, and now on Syria. Yet this month’s Washington Post-ABC News poll shows him with 69 percent support among liberals, 87 percent among African Americans and 75 percent among Democrats. Liberals supported airstrikes in Iraq and Syria (64 percent and 54 percent, respectively), as did Democrats (67 percent and 60 percent).

“If George W. Bush were launching wars with Congress out of town, oh, it would be flooded,” longtime liberal activist David Swanson said, looking across mostly empty Pennsylvania Avenue “They would be screaming.”

Swanson, who voted for Obama in 2008 before switching to the Green Party, said liberals who condemned Bush look the other way when Obama does the same thing because “he’s more eloquent, he’s more intelligent, he’s African American, he bills himself as a constitutional scholar.”


The most upvoted comment after this article:

Are Tuesdays Dana's anti-Obama days? He has appeared, over the past few years, to try to play the "false equivalence" game - trying to blame both sides for the political mess that Washington has become, even though it is clearly the GOPs obstruction that has caused the gridlock. This op-ed highlights just how difficult that game is to play.

"He has disappointed liberal constituencies on immigration, on climate change, on Guantanamo Bay and targeted killings". Targeted killings are the only issue on this list that Obama is responsible for. The senate passed a bipartisan Immigration Reform bill that the House refused to vote on (even though it was predicted to pass), Republicans don't believe in Climate Change, and Guantanamo Bay is still open because the House Republicans refuse to close it. How can Obama have let liberals down on these issues if he has no control over them?


Another comment:

When you take the Oath of Office as POTUS you stop listening to the political consultants and think tank experts who are all pitching theory and start to live in the real world. Unfortunately, the real world we live in requires you sometimes go against what you would like to do and do what you have to do. I am sure Barack Obama does not want to go down in the history books as the President who started a new war in the Middle East which his successor had to handle; but that is what he has done and I will bet he has seen hard evidence that was his only option. His personality is to avoid confrontation and seek approval and consensus; when you decide to unleash the dogs of war in spite of that he did it for a very good reason.


Milbank is no right winger - he wrote an anti-Glenn Beck book Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America. But how much truth is in his article?
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Dana Milbank: Obama endures as the lesser evil for liberals (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2014 OP
A hearty "Fuck You" to Dana Milbank [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #1
Well, that poll can't possibly be right. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #2
Wait, why does that name sound familiar? Number23 Sep 2014 #3
Yeah, and apparently the majority of Americans don't mind the government siphoning liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #4
And just because the majority on DU ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #5
And how much money will be stolen from the people of America to pay for this new war? liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #6
That's already been taken care of. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #7
oh, I forgot anyone who dares disagree with Obama is a secret right wing republican/libertarian liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #8
Oh, and I forgot ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #9

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
2. Well, that poll can't possibly be right.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:06 AM
Sep 2014
"Yet this month’s Washington Post-ABC News poll shows him with 69 percent support among liberals, 87 percent among African Americans and 75 percent among Democrats. Liberals supported airstrikes in Iraq and Syria (64 percent and 54 percent, respectively), as did Democrats (67 percent and 60 percent)."

Everyone knows that the real liberals and real Democrats all post on DU, and they have a completely different opinion.

"Swanson ... said liberals who condemned Bush look the other way when Obama does the same thing because “he’s more eloquent, he’s more intelligent, he’s African American, he bills himself as a constitutional scholar.”

I'd like to hear Swanson's explanation of what Obama being African American has to do with the discussion.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. Wait, why does that name sound familiar?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:53 AM
Sep 2014
longtime liberal activist David Swanson



And yeah, I'd love to hear a cogent answer on what Obama being black has to do with anything too. From him and Medea Benjamin:

“He’s totally defanged us,” she said, citing his party, his affability — and his race. “The black community is traditionally the most antiwar community in this country. He’s defanged that sentiment within the black community, or certainly voicing that sentiment.”

Some choice quotes from these liberals, huh?

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
4. Yeah, and apparently the majority of Americans don't mind the government siphoning
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:07 AM
Sep 2014

money from things like education and food stamps. How do the majority of Americans think we will pay for all of these wars? Are they not paying attention or do they just not care? Just because the majority support what he is doing doesn't make it right.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
5. And just because the majority on DU ...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:12 PM
Sep 2014

... don't support it doesn't make it wrong.

I know there's a very vocal group here who have deluded themselves into thinking they are some sort of elite wing of the Democratic Party, who believe they represent the Party as a whole, and who think they are more intelligent and better-informed than everyone else.

They're not, and they don't.


liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
6. And how much money will be stolen from the people of America to pay for this new war?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:21 PM
Sep 2014

The people of this country desperately need money for education, SS, food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, and many other programs. Programs democrats used to fight for. Now they fight for war and sacrifice social safety net programs in the name of bipartisanship. How will we pay for this war? Answer me that.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
7. That's already been taken care of.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:39 PM
Sep 2014

Obama will be mailing the entire bill to you personally within the month, right after he unilaterally ends SS, Medicaid, Medicare, welfare, food stamps, shuts down all pubic schools, declares the 1% forever tax-exempt, puts dissenters in FEMA re-education camps, and finally declares himself a secret Muslim who was indeed born in Kenya.

Happy now?

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
8. oh, I forgot anyone who dares disagree with Obama is a secret right wing republican/libertarian
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:46 PM
Sep 2014

troll right? Sorry, I'll obey and shut up now. Yeah, right. I am anti-war and pro education and nothing you say will change that. My son is autistic, and is being forced to comply with Arne Duncan's crappy educational requirements. He doesn't have a single teaching assistant in any of his mainstream general education classes, and in 6th, 7th, and 8th grade he was forced to learn Common Core math. Then when he didn't actually learn the material they passed him through the system. Now in a different school system he is going back and learning arithmetic and pre algebra in 10th grade all the while being expected to pass Duncan's stupid standardized tests. So you go on pretending like there is no problem. Those of us in the real world will fight to put the money where it belongs, in the hands of the American people, not the war mongers. Have a good day.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
9. Oh, and I forgot ...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

... that it is now DU policy to accuse people of saying things they didn't say, and then respond to them as though they did.

If you actually operated in "the real world", you would know that when the majority of Democrats support Obama's current plans to deal with ISIS, it's not because they are "warmongers". They are people who believe that the situation requires the actions Obama has proposed.

Innocent people in the ME are being brutally slaughtered by ISIS. If alive during the Holocaust, would you have asked how much money it was going to cost for the Nazis to be stopped? Or would you have gone on pretending there was no problem?



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