Here is my take on ISIS and Obama

[La Lioness Priyanka]

there is no way Obama cannot choose to bomb ISIS. politically that is a giant disaster waiting to happen. Like, anything they do next would be blamed on his inaction. I think he literally has zero political choice in the matter.

However, I also think that bombing ISIS will be to no avail, even if we succeed in getting rid of them, we'll just have a different group with a different name unless we/the world solves the issues that started ISIS.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Isaac Asimov

Or, often the first choice of politicians.

[still_one]

2. Do you think Gandhi would have been able to deal with a group who has no tolerance for anyone, but

Their flavor of Shira law?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. I don't know. But, it's worth a try. War hasn't worked.

[still_one]

6. It already happened. British aid worker David Haines was brutally killed by them

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. And, how did the previous wars against them work out. And, how many died?

[still_one]

12. Uk wasn't involved in those attacks, they still killed him. They also killed other Muslim

Minorities. How did it work out for them?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Compared to how many hundreds of thousands of dead from our wars?

Tho' we are even more haphazard in our killing. And, since we're going to war to prevent atrocities, when do we bomb Tel-Aviv?

[Boreal]

17. And when will ISIS

attack Israel, Jordan, Turkey and the Gulf kingdoms? Oh, that's right, they won't because they're a USA creation and only do what's beneficial for the US (attack Syria, bring chaos in Iraq to provide a pretext to re-occupy).

The house voted to send military aid to the FSA, today. The FSA is as closely associated with ISIS as Sam's Club is with Walmart. THEY'RE THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE.

[tularetom]

3. Should he have to give back his Nobel prize?

[Boreal]

18. What a farce that was

What was that even about? Was it awarded in the hope that he would advance some European agenda or what? I never could make sense of it.

[LiberalAndProud]

5. I think your assessment is correct.

When we examine the reasons underlying that reality, it leaves us with exactly one tool to confront violent factions, and endless war is the outcome. Who does that benefit? Not me, not you and not the civilians who are dieing because we continue to bomb them to kingdom come.

Our hands are tied because we can't be perceived as soft on terrorism. So we will wage war until we have bankrupted ourselves. Inevitable? I think you have made that argument. Good plan? I don't think so.

[leftstreet]

7. He didn't bomb Syria a year ago, and the world didn't end

August 29, 2013

Obama's Syria plans in disarray after Britain rejects use of force
White House forced to consider unilateral strikes against Assad after British PM unexpectedly loses key motion on intervention

Barack Obama's plans for air strikes against Syria were thrown into disarray on Thursday night after the British parliament unexpectedly rejected a motion designed to pave the way to authorising the UK's participation in military action.

The White House was forced to consider the unpalatable option of taking unilateral action against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after the British prime minister, David Cameron, said UK would not now take part in any military action in response to a chemical attack in the suburbs of Damascus last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/30/obama-strike-syria-britain-vote

[quadrature]

8. send 'advisors' to Syria ?

perhaps some are now in Syria.

how else do fight ISIS?

[Boreal]

19. Stop funding and arming them n/t

[m-lekktor]

9. even if technically you are correct,

how fucking disgusting is it to bomb the crap out of country, killing many innocents along with ISIS, because one lives in fear of what the republicans will say? jesus christ.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. Not just republicans

[Glimmer of Hope]

11. Why can't we just fuck with their ability to communicate and get money?

[GeorgeGist]

14. Political scoring is a lousy reason to go to war.

[madokie]

15. I agree

what needs to happen is find out who is funding these kinds of groups and deal with them first. They don't appear out of clear air, someone or something is funding these people, who are they is the biggest question, IMHO

A good place to begin is to stop this dark money to the cia and fbi. No more giving them a blank check. someone in our government needs to be keeping tabs on all the funding they get and how they're using it. Not saying thats where the money is coming from but as long as they operate in the dark the possibility is there.