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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums3 polls tonight all put Scottish vote at 48% Yes, 52% No once don't knows stripped out
The figures, when undecided voters are excluded, are from a poll by ICM for The Scotsman and another poll by Survation for the Daily Mail.
The ICM poll of more than 1,000 voters found 14% were undecided, 45% backed a No vote and 41% backed a Yes vote.
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The Survation poll found the 'don't knows' were at 8.3%, No was at 47.7% and Yes was at 44.1%.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/292365-new-opinion-poll-puts-no-campaign-ahead-52-to-48-in-referendum/
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/16/scottish-independence-nhs-leak-miliband
still_one
(92,212 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm kinda feeling like the only American who honestly doesn't care one way or another on this. Which is weird, given that the entire family is Welsh-Irish-Scots.
Will it make futbol more interesting?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Scotland already competes internationally as a separate team, and has jealously guarded that. The UK does not normally enter soccer teams in the Olympics, since Scotland refuses to cooperate in forming one - they fear that if they did, FIFA would suggest that should be just one UK team; for 2012, as hosts, it was felt there really, really ought to be one, and FIFA promised it would not take GB Olympic teams as in any way suggesting a more permanent merger of the 4 national teams; Wales and England agreed (not sure about Northern Ireland, to be honest - they probably wouldn't have got players into the teams anyway), but Scotland still told its players to not take part.
And Scotland already takes more delight in defeating England in soccer (or rugby, or probably anything) than any other country.
The Guardian has a piece about sporting repercussions - Berwick Rangers, the one English team in the Scottish League (only just inside England, they are physically closer to most Scottish opponents than English ones) will be able to stay in that league, apparently.
Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)... into sharp focus here:
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)that Dave Cameron cannot do half the job Oliver did...where is Monty Pyhton when you need them, or Dr. Who..
Whoops, I forgot, all the best DR Whos are Scottish
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Perhaps, he and Tardis are with the other Scots today?
Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)was awesome. and informative, thanks.
malaise
(269,024 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I wonder if he changed anyone's mind?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)We had to have a dang war!!!
(this is a tongue in cheek post for the humor impaired.)
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but they lost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland#Medieval_period
The nature of the struggle changed significantly when Robert the Bruce, Earl of Carrick, killed his rival John Comyn on 10 February 1306 at Greyfriars Kirk in Dumfries. He was crowned king (as Robert I) less than seven weeks later. Robert I battled to restore Scottish Independence as King for over 20 years, beginning by winning Scotland back from the Norman English invaders piece by piece. Victory at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314 proved the Scots had regained control of their kingdom. In 1315, Edward Bruce, brother of the King, was briefly appointed High King of Ireland during an ultimately unsuccessful Scottish invasion of Ireland aimed at strengthening Scotland's position in its wars against England. In 1320 the world's first documented declaration of independence, the Declaration of Arbroath, won the support of Pope John XXII, leading to the legal recognition of Scottish sovereignty by the English Crown.
However, war with England continued for several decades after the death of Bruce. A civil war between the Bruce dynasty and their long-term Comyn-Balliol rivals lasted until the middle of the 14th century. Although the Bruce dynasty was successful, David II's lack of an heir allowed his half-nephew Robert II to come to the throne and establish the Stewart Dynasty. The Stewarts ruled Scotland for the remainder of the Middle Ages. The country they ruled experienced greater prosperity from the end of the 14th century through the Scottish Renaissance to the Reformation. This was despite continual warfare with England, the increasing division between Highlands and Lowlands, and a large number of royal minorities.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Scots tended to fight as much between themselves as against England. I would have liked to see what it would have been like had they moved as one.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)And are we sure Scrooge McDuck isn't Irish?
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Ipsos MORI (phone) 49%
ICM (phone) 49%
TNS (face to face) 49%
YouGov (online) 48%
Panelbase (online) 48%
ICM (online) 48%
Opinium (online) 48%
Survation (online) 48%
Survation (phone) 47%
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8995