Hey Michael Moore....Come Out And Plaaaaaayy..........

[Cali_Democrat]

Obama will only be known for being a black President, eh?

Does Obama get credit for this?

No! He's just a black dude....amiright?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/obamacare-uninsured-survey_n_5825472.html

Uninsured Rate Drops To Lowest Level Since The '90s

Another day, another survey showing that Obamacare is beginning to cure America's uninsured problem.

The latest numbers come from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which polled more than 27,000 people during the first three months of the year. Forty-one million U.S. residents, or 13.1 percent, were uninsured during the quarter when benefits started to kick in for people who signed up for coverage into private insurance or Medicaid via the Obamacare exchanges or elsewhere.

That's the lowest number and percentage of uninsured people since the CDC started using this version of its survey in 1997. It's also down 3.8 million people and 1.3 percentage points from the end of 2013.

The Affordable Care Act's impact on the uninsured actually is understated by the CDC survey. More than 30 percent of Obamacare's 8 million private health insurance enrollees signed up in March or later. That means their benefits wouldn't have kicked in by the end of the third quarter, so a portion of them wouldn't have had coverage by the time of the CDC poll.

Millions of Americans who were previously uninsured because of pre-existing conditions and/or other reasons can now receive care.

But Obama is black....or something.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025513223

Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President

..."When the history is written of this era, this is how you'll be remembered: he was the first black president," Moore said during a discussion at The Hollywood Reporter's video lounge at the Toronto Film Festival.

"OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that's it," the director said. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now, 'he was the first black American that got elected president' and that's it. Eight years of your life and that's what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that -- you'd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could've done."

"So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment," Moore said...

[stewert]

1. M. Moore...............

It seems to me that Michael Moore got rich and now all he does is speak out against Obama once in a while, it looks like he kind of retired, I love his work, but I have not seem much from him lately.

[snooper2]

3. not sure, used to be a fan but now he is reduced to doing this LOL

see video on his page

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[el_bryanto]

2. And think of what we might have accomplished if Barack Obama

hadn't taken Single Payer off the table before negotiations had begun. Think how many more might be insured if he hadn't compromised on the Public Option. Or if he hadn't determined early on that a major purpose of the bill was to protect the insurance companies profits.

But Michael Moore . . . yeah he's the bastard.

Bryant

[G_j]

4. yep

nailed it..

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Bernie Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reminded the progressive media gathered on Capitol Hill today that single-payer health care reform was dead before it started in the Senate.

"It would have had 8 or 10 votes and that's it," he said, addressing a topic central in the minds of many who the bloggers and left wing talk show hosts gathered for the 4th annual Senate Democratic Progressive Media Summit in Washington reach everyday.

Sanders is among the few in the Senate not afraid to say he supports government-run, universal health care. But his calls for such a program have gone unanswered, much to the chagrin of progressives who still feel it is the best way to solve the nation's health care crisis.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance

I blame Obama!!111

[el_bryanto]

6. He could have put it on the table as an negotiating tactic

Yes he would have had to have taken it off; but instead of using it as a place to get more of what we wanted - he conceded the issue without a fight.

But then again, given how close Obama is to Wall Street, maybe improving our health care system was a second priority.

Bryant

[Egnever]

30. Yea cause congress people cant count votes

[gratuitous]

7. I know I'll be accused of Green Lanternism

But there was never a push for single payer. The administration negotiated it away before they even sat down with the intransigent opposition. I'll bring up a parallel situation: Right now, one of the hobgoblins occupying the conservative mind is repealing the 17th Amendment (direct popular election of Senators). They've put it in the Republican Party platforms of several states, including most recently Texas. Also right now, repealing the 17th Amendment has severely limited chances of passing. But the Republican Party continues to beat the drum, rally support among their voters, put it in state party platforms, and discuss it seriously among themselves.

The idea will probably go nowhere. Probably.

But if this hare-brained idea is going to be enacted, this is where the hard work gets done, and the day may come when we have to have a serious discussion about it. What if Democrats made a push for single payer the way Republicans are flogging repeal of the 17th Amendment? Which issue is more beneficial to the American people? Which issue, though, looks more likely to get serious consideration in the next five years?

Who as to "answer" the call for single payer? Does someone get support for it (by which I'm talking about votes and campaign contributions), or are they relegated to the nutjob pile by the popular media without the media's ever getting pushback from the people who would benefit from taking health care out of the realm of profit centers?

[Bandit]

11. While I agree with your thought process you must be aware that both Vermont and

California have begun the process for establishing single payer health care. It actually is being taken up in some states and being discussed on a multitude of political forums. We may not get it anytime soon but it is being tossed around.

[Anansi1171]

37. You may be accusex of being an Adult!-nt

[questionseverything]

8. while single payer did not have a chance

the public option,which potus campaigned on had majority support both in the house and the senate

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Nope. The public option didn't even make it out of committee

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/health/policy/30health.html?_r=2&

But enjoy your revisionist history.

I enjoy reality.

[el_bryanto]

10. Here's some reality - Barack Obama is pro-Wall Street down to his bones. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

12. LOL

That's all you got in response to my two links?

[el_bryanto]

14. I responded up above to your links - but you deigned not to reply

I guess it is hard work pretending that Obama is some kind of liberal lion that only a racist would criticize.

Bryant

[questionseverything]

15. the house had passed a good bill with a public option

over 50 senators supported it...there fore the public option had majority support

what it could not overcome was the 60 senators threshold for closure (to allow a vote)

then we the people started talking about voting using the "nuclear option" , reconciliation which allows a vote without the 60 vote closure thresh hold...then the senate hurried to produce the insurance company give away we are now stuck with

the reality is potus had the majority of the country behind him and we would not have cared if he was purple

[merrily]

26. The final health care bill was indeed passed by reconciliation.

[baldguy]

21. Well, Sanders is just a RW corporatist tool.

Imagine, telling the truth & dealing with reality like that! Without even a nod to the ponies & ice cream everyone really wants. How can anyone take him seriously?

[freshwest]

24. I blame Obama for putting single payer option in the ACA! VT and soon CA will take advantage of it.

People who truly want single payer had better get busy in their own states and elect the governors and legislatures that will vote this through.

The option is still there, didn't end with the big enrollment push last year, as it was in the law when it was passed in 2010 after Obama nearly broke the arms of every person who opposed any reform at all. The poison pills for private insurers were in the bill, such as their not being able to turn people away, no lifetime caps, no longer able to hide their costs of advertising, profit and administration as part of patient care. The law forced them to give back billions in rebates to the insured.

It also has provisions for the employees of the soon to be less profitable insurance companies to work at equal pay and benefits at government run health care agencies, like single payer. These facts are conveniently ignored by some. The ones not ignoring the ACA are those who would have never gotten care without the Medicaid expansion, which has saved many lives that the naysayers will never see, but they are important to many.

They could not wait for perfection. Life and death is in the now, not in a future that may never happen. Those who can't stop harping on this, seem to count those who would die as collateral damage on the road to utopia. I've had to argue with those who insist on being doctrinaire, when confronted with the fall out from their absolutism and insistence that one size fits all thinking in how programs should be dropped for the greater good and people died.

Those people had names, but now they're dead when they could have had long lives but it didn't fit their vision of utopia. But the ideologically pure have no remorse as long as they can hold on to their version of how things should be, and it doesn't affect those they know. That mentality is cold comfort to the families of the dead. I'm sure MM feels our pain just like all the purists do.

[QC]

20. Bingo. n/t

[brush]

28. And you actually think single payer would have passed?

See Senator Bernie Sander's opinion on that is in a post below.

Sometimes you have to live in the real world not the "oh I wish, I wish" world.

Obama, just like Senator Sanders, knew single payer didn't have a chance in hell in passing.

The ACA did and may have opened the door to single payer though in the not-to-distance future with a more receptive Congress and health care climate.

[el_bryanto]

34. I think that even if it didn't pass it could have been put on the table

as a negotiating tactic.

Bryant

[brush]

39. Zero chance of passing equals zero negotiating power. nt

[leftstreet]

32. +1

[arcane1]

13. He gets full credit, but 100 years from now nobody will remember the 2014 uninsured rate

Just like nobody knows what the uninsured rate was in 1914.

That's not a bad thing, since most details don't get remembered by any but the most avid historians. Besides, 100 years from now we'll either be gone or on a single-payer system.

[baldguy]

23. Hopefully, in 100 yrs "uninsured" will be an alien concept to Americans.

And it'll be due to Barack Obama.

[valerief]

27. In 100 years? Bwahahaha! At the rate climate change is happening? nt

[951-Riverside]

31. Nuclear winter tends to change the climate

...yeah, we're nothing more than primates and when you give primates destructive weapons, they will use it eventually.

[LawDeeDah]

16. I usually like Moore and can overlook some of his more obnoxious stuff

but this is crazy. What an idiotic, stupid lazy assed thing to say.

Fuck you, Mikey.

[kentuck]

17. Why did your post remind me of this song?

Or was it Dear Prudence??

[Doctor_J]

18. insurance is now mandatory. of course more people are insured

This is probably the dumbest post this year. Guess what. When seat belts became mandatory, the number of people who drove without seat belts dropped too!!!!!

Obama will also be known for making US healthcare a commodity, for increasing offshore drilling, for fracking, for tpp, for giving US education to profiteers, and for doubling the djia. Not really what all of those 2008 voters thought they were getting. It's a shame he decided to work for the hyper rich.

[Scuba]

19. +1

[tridim]

29. And rates are dropping.

Just a reminder in case you left that little fact out accidentally like the Republicans always do.

I see you also used the term "hyper-rich" instead of "rich" to bash Obama. Congrats on upping your game!!!1

[leftstreet]

35. So what? 75% of Americans were already insured

Employer, Medicare, Vets, Medicaid

Forcing 1/4 of the citizens to buy for-profit insurance, or hoping to Godz they're so impoverished they'll qualify for Medicaid, is not a legacy to be proud of

[leftstreet]

33. Yep

[maced666]

25. He'd reply he's 'bombing brown people now'

And take subject off topic.
It's what he does when challenged.

[LanternWaste]

36. I wish I also had a vacuous intent that prevents me from perceiving any one person beyond one stat

I wish I also had a vacuous intent that prevents me from perceiving any one person beyond one statement. It would be so convenient... so damned easy on my brain to pick that one statement, focus on it to the expense of anything else also said, and pretend to myself (and imply to others) that that statement is the raison-d'etre of my unlucky quarry.




I certainly do realize that acting mentally lazy is an ethically convenient tool for the party hack, and would never admonish the splenetic peevishness involved in doing as such.

[MannyGoldstein]

38. There is no doubt that 100 years from now,

schoolchildren will know of George Washington's being our first President, of Lincoln saving the Union and freeing the slaves, of FDR's reversing the Depression and winning WWII, and of Obama getting insurance for about 2% more Americans so the level is back to where it was 15 years ago.

There. Can. Be. No. Doubt.

[madokie]

41. Never miss a chance do you

Obama will be remembered for doing a lot of good, that you can take to the bank

[MannyGoldstein]

45. I rarely do miss a chance

to defend Michael Moore.

He's a bare-knuckled Liberal. I like that type.

[madokie]

47. Seems more like a weasel

than a bare-knuckled liberal to me

[madokie]

40. MM will be remembered as a person who

made a couple pretty good documentaries and who killed himself from lack of self control, called obesity.

F* MM

IMHO

[Logical]

43. Ahh, someone is jealous??? nt

[madokie]

44. Jealous

You're nuts

[Logical]

42. You forgot "Started another war!". Yea!!! nt

[LeftyMom]

46. "Since the 90s"? How historic. Snort.