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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:57 AM Sep 2014

List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II

We just love to bomb other countries!


http://www.globalresearch.ca/list-of-countries-the-usa-has-bombed-since-the-end-of-world-war-ii/24626

China 1945-46

Korea 1950-53

China 1950-53

Guatemala 1954

Indonesia 1958

Cuba 1959-60

Guatemala 1960

Belgian Congo 1964

Guatemala 1964

Dominican Republic 1965-66

Peru 1965

Laos 1964-73

Vietnam 1961-73

Cambodia 1969-70

Guatemala 1967-69

Lebanon 1982-84

Grenada 1983-84

Libya 1986

El Salvador 1981-92

Nicaragua 1981-90

Iran 1987-88

Libya 1989

Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991

Kuwait 1991

Somalia 1992-94

Bosnia 1995

Iran 1998

Sudan 1998

Afghanistan 1998

Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999

Afghanistan 2001

Libya 2011
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List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II (Original Post) Scuba Sep 2014 OP
They forgot Iraq 2003- did we stop? and 2014 nt magical thyme Sep 2014 #1
Perhaps others as well. There's so many. Scuba Sep 2014 #2
I'm sure there are others... magical thyme Sep 2014 #4
The list is from 2011 OnlinePoker Sep 2014 #20
yes but think about all the countries we haven't bombed. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #3
In all fairness, Tasmania is part of Australia Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #6
Related: Link to list of US Military operations based on Committee on International Relations data think Sep 2014 #5
usa 1985 unblock Sep 2014 #7
Notice the Gap 61-63. Octafish Sep 2014 #8
Well said, Octafish. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #14
+1961 nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #16
Great post. Thanks for reminding us of what could have been and what still can be. Karmadillo Sep 2014 #19
the truth navarth Sep 2014 #40
I wish Octafish were correct here, but . . FairWinds Sep 2014 #43
Isn't that what Noam Chomsky wrote? Octafish Sep 2014 #61
So violating the Geneva Accords in 1961 and sending military advisers to VN doesn't count? hack89 Sep 2014 #57
That is so. But JFK did not bomb Vietnam. Octafish Sep 2014 #60
Withdrawing 1000 out of 16,000 troops while invading Laos hack89 Sep 2014 #62
John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam,'' sourced a new understanding of the history. Octafish Sep 2014 #71
Spain, January 1966 lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #9
But Those Are "Freedom" Bombs Liberal_Dog Sep 2014 #10
Few Americans Brainstormy Sep 2014 #11
China 1945-1946? Iran 1998? Are you sure the list is accurate? Chathamization Sep 2014 #12
I believe the China attacks Feral Child Sep 2014 #29
But the US wasn’t fighting the Chinese communists at the time. The US was actually pushing for peace Chathamization Sep 2014 #49
I could be wrong about the dates that I recall. Feral Child Sep 2014 #53
Yes, but the fact that we bombed a lot of countries doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter who was on Chathamization Sep 2014 #55
It appears they were bombing Japan JonLP24 Sep 2014 #32
Why do you hate America? malaise Sep 2014 #13
Peru? Indonesia? Good grief. Glorfindel Sep 2014 #15
Interesting - notice the general trend packman Sep 2014 #17
Well hey we are the war country. Initech Sep 2014 #18
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http stupidicus Sep 2014 #21
Ah! I love the smell of MIC$$$ in the morning! KansDem Sep 2014 #22
But..but...they hated us for our freedom!! Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #23
We've really got it in for Guatemala. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #24
What is up with Guatemala? jwirr Sep 2014 #25
Allen Welsh Dulles and United Fruit Company Octafish Sep 2014 #27
That's a good refresher, Octafish. Feral Child Sep 2014 #31
USA has killed MILLIONS to defeat "Communism." Octafish Sep 2014 #47
Absolute agreement, Octafish. Feral Child Sep 2014 #52
Oh, General Smedley Butler! Feral Child Sep 2014 #54
Ah, another Standard Oil and Venezuela. jwirr Sep 2014 #33
Same Group. Octafish Sep 2014 #48
"It is run by an oligarchy of wealthy landowners and big business interests" tclambert Sep 2014 #35
Awww man..... daleanime Sep 2014 #38
Check out "Men with Guns" to get a feel of this. broiles Sep 2014 #39
Octafish I would love to get a closer look at that painting. Can you advise? nt navarth Sep 2014 #42
Go to Midtown and look for the building across from the Library. Octafish Sep 2014 #46
Shame on me. navarth Sep 2014 #50
You are correct. It is a different painting... Octafish Sep 2014 #58
I was just wondering how I'd gotten this far in the thread with no mention of JF Dulles DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #64
We've become Feral Child Sep 2014 #26
We're doing a poor job if the goal is to bomb them all... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #28
And yet, we are told, 'fear Pakistan!', 'fear Syria!', 'fear Palestinians!' closeupready Sep 2014 #30
That's a really ugly site you're linking to. nt Codeine Sep 2014 #34
Any port in a storm. zappaman Sep 2014 #63
Blame America first? Where do you get off? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #65
Any port in a storm. zappaman Sep 2014 #66
Super. But one lousy website does nothing at all DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #67
Yemen, Somalia? DrDan Sep 2014 #36
Just wait, Canada, your turn is coming. tclambert Sep 2014 #37
Ya'll a bunch of blame-america-firsters KG Sep 2014 #41
USA #1 let's win another Nobel. 840high Sep 2014 #44
'let's win another Nobel...', or else. closeupready Sep 2014 #45
It is incomplete. Recently: Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Iraq. Upcoming: Syria. morningfog Sep 2014 #51
we've also bombed ourselves quite a bit as well. Terra Alta Sep 2014 #56
bombs r us noiretextatique Sep 2014 #59
Since 1980, we even have our militarized police turn against us... truedelphi Sep 2014 #68
All Part Of Maintaining An Empire - Have To Protect Corporate Interests cantbeserious Sep 2014 #69
We are to assume based on that list treestar Sep 2014 #70
Bill Maher was talking about all the countries we have bombed.. Stellar Sep 2014 #72
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. I'm sure there are others...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:03 AM
Sep 2014

the secret drone wars...but I didn't sleep well and am in a bit of a fog.

And how the fuck could they forget Iraq 2003-whenever.

Also Afghanistan 2001-whenever.

Those weren't exactly secrets.

OnlinePoker

(5,720 posts)
20. The list is from 2011
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:32 AM
Sep 2014

So they've missed the drone attacks in Pakistan from the last couple of years.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. yes but think about all the countries we haven't bombed.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:01 AM
Sep 2014

Belize for example. or Tasmania. or Singapore. Or Luxembourg.

Bryant

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
6. In all fairness, Tasmania is part of Australia
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:06 AM
Sep 2014

I think the Aussies would raise a ruckus if we bombed their island

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Notice the Gap 61-63.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014
JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

As a Democrat, a DUer and as a citizen of the United States, I was proud to attend the Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy at Duquesne University. One of the many important things discussed there was what author, historian and teacher, James DiEugenio reported on the important change in foreign policy JFK represented from his predecessor and his successors, immediate and otherwise.



DiEugenio said President John F. Kennedy did not undergo a change of heart from Cold War hawk to liberal dove Democrat only after the hair-raising nuclear crises he experienced in office. "John F. Kennedy was never a Cold Warrior," DiEugenio said. Throughout his 16-year career in the House and Senate, President Kennedy sided with the People, Justice and Democracy -- across the United States and around the world. This is a world view radically different from Eisenhower, and his foreign policy makers, principally the Dulles Brothers and their allies, including young Dick Nixon.

The JFK Administration may have represented a break in the action, H20 Man's Father explained to him and I agree. It was a special interlude, indeed. In only 1,037 days, we launched the nation toward the moon, creating a new type of economy; maintained the peace when several times the heads of the military and the secret organs of the national security state counseled all-out war; and started the nation on a path where all men are equal under the law, no matter race, color, or creed, and justice extended to economics and health, as under FDR and the New Deal.

DiEugenio’s research shows President Kennedy was working to defend the interests of democracy over those of colonialism, not only in Europe, as evinced in divided Berlin, but in Africa, Asia, South America and around the world. During less than three years in office, Kennedy turned official U.S. support from that of Eisenhower and the Dulles Brothers for supporting US commercial and colonial interests over democracy, such as in Guatemala and Iran, to respect for the nations and their democratically elected leaders, like Lumumba and Sukarno. In matters of war and peace, JFK always sided with peace, making overtures to North Vietnam. The Dulles Brothers and Nixon sided with France and the colonial powers, even drawing up plans to nuke the North Vietnamese Army at Dien Bien Phu, Operation VULTURE.

The record shows JFK's Foreign Policy of democracy over colonialism was immediately reversed by Lyndon B. Johnson, who reversed course in Vietnam and supported the pro-colonialist forces in Congo, Vietnam, Brazil, Dominican Republic and elsewhere around the world. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and most who followed continued the Business-As-Usual, advancing the interests of Big Money, Big Oil and Big Wars for Profit.

One of the things I am most proud of is how Democratic Underground covered many of these salient points on its boards, from DU1 through the present day. At the Duquesne conference, I was listening and nodding, knowing that many times we had discussed this on DU. In looking back to one particularly important post through GOOGLE, I found we sourced this information back to DiEugenio. That's what the Internet can do: Spread Truth.

Why it matters.

Democracy depends on Truth. The Republic depends on Justice. That is, the reality that ours is a nation under law.

Once a criminal is, or criminals are, allowed to go free, Justice has been denied. We find ourselves operating under a falsehood, we are living a Big Lie.

We as a Nation have been on the criminal path since November 22, 1963.

DUers know you don’t need to read a history book or watch a tee vee special to know: It shows. Since 1964 and the Gulf of Tonkin, it’s been a series of wars without end for profit. And in the process, the rich became super-rich -- the richest and most powerful people in history.

PS: Thanks, Scuba! Don't mean to hog the bandwidth, but the next 50 years can be different -- they can be decades of peace and prosperity for ALL: They can be Democratic. What we need is to keep spreading the Truth, DU!
 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
43. I wish Octafish were correct here, but . .
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

he is not.
That administration designed and carried out
a campaign of terror against Cuba.
And JFK's Alliance for Progress had a
legacy of death squads in Latin America.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
61. Isn't that what Noam Chomsky wrote?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:26 PM
Sep 2014

Chomsky, FWIU, says there was no difference between Eisenhower and Kennedy and Johnson. But there was, take Indonesia, where JFK intervened with the Netherlands and its former colony:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1962/10/11/page/14/article/kennedy-move-averted-war-says-general

hack89

(39,171 posts)
57. So violating the Geneva Accords in 1961 and sending military advisers to VN doesn't count?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:00 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)

JFK had 12,000 military advisers and 300 helicopters in Viet Nam by 1962.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. That is so. But JFK did not bomb Vietnam.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:17 PM
Sep 2014

Nor did he send in combat troops. Nor did he send in draftees.

In fact, he ordered a complete withdrawal by the end of 1964.

http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-jfk/nsam-263.htm

One week after the assassination, LBJ reversed the order.

http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-lbj/nsam-273.htm

Then, there's the matter of the Joint Chiefs recommending an all-out nuclear attack on the Soviet Union.

JFK opposed that one, thankfully.

http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963

Joint Chiefs and CIA director Dulles said the best time to attack was "Fall 1963."

hack89

(39,171 posts)
62. Withdrawing 1000 out of 16,000 troops while invading Laos
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:01 PM
Sep 2014

Ok.

Some say he planned a complete withdrawal. Many others disagree - including Noam Chomsky (Rethinking Camalot)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
71. John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam,'' sourced a new understanding of the history.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:07 PM
Sep 2014

It's a difficult read, but worth it. In it, he documents how the Pentagon and CIA gave LBJ, as veep, a more accurate picture of what was happening in Vietnam than they provided JFK, as president.

Why? JFK said he would not get into a land war in Southeast Asia and he certainly was not going to place US draftees in the middle of Vietnam's civil war; Johnson did.



Vietnam Withdrawal Plans

The 1990s saw the gaps in the declassified record on Vietnam filled in—with spring 1963 plans for the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces. An initial 1000 man pullout (of the approximately 17,000 stationed in Vietnam at that time) was initiated in October 1963, though it was diluted and rendered meaningless in the aftermath of Kennedy's death. The longer-range plans called for complete withdrawal of U. S. forces and a "Vietnamization" of the war, scheduled to happen largely after the 1964 elections.

The debate over whether withdrawal plans were underway in 1963 is now settled. What remains contentious is the "what if" scenario. What would Kennedy have done if he lived, given the worsening situation in Vietnam after the coup which resulted in the assassination of Vietnamese President Diem?

At the core of the debate is this question: Did President Kennedy really believe the rosy picture of the war effort being conveyed by his military advisors. Or was he onto the game, and instead couching his withdrawal plans in the language of optimism being fed to the White House?

The landmark book JFK and Vietnam asserted the latter, that Kennedy knew he was being deceived and played a deception game of his own, using the military's own rosy analysis as a justification for withdrawal. Newman's analysis, with its dark implications regarding JFK's murder, has been attacked from both mainstream sources and even those on the left. No less than Noam Chomsky devoted an entire book to disputing the thesis.

But declassifications since Newman's 1992 book have only served to buttress the thesis that the Vietnam withdrawal, kept under wraps to avoid a pre-election attack from the right, was Kennedy's plan regardless of the war's success. New releases have also brought into focus the chilling visions of the militarists of that era—four Presidents were advised to use nuclear weapons in Indochina. A recent book by David Kaiser, American Tragedy, shows a military hell bent on war in Asia.

CONTINUED with very important IMFO links:

http://www.history-matters.com/vietnam1963.htm



Funny in a police state sort of way how little of this gets mentioned anywhere, even DU. I very much appreciate you remembering, hack89.

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
10. But Those Are "Freedom" Bombs
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:13 AM
Sep 2014

And they save lives.

And all of those countries asked for our help.

So there!!

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
12. China 1945-1946? Iran 1998? Are you sure the list is accurate?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:29 AM
Sep 2014

There doesn’t seem to be any information on some of these.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
29. I believe the China attacks
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

were in support of the right wing, nationalistic Kuomintang of Chiang Kaishek in his battles with the communists.

I can't speak for Iran '98, but I'd say that's most unlikely. At that time, as now, China, Russia, Syria and Iran all had defensive pacts with each other. I would think that an attack on Iran, or Syria, would be a suicidal insigation of WWIII.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
49. But the US wasn’t fighting the Chinese communists at the time. The US was actually pushing for peace
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:30 PM
Sep 2014

between the two sides. The most I can see during that time was that there were a couple of communist Chinese ambushes against marines in post-war China, but that hardly counts as “bombing China.” About Iran 1998 – not sure if they meant to write Iraq 1998 (which seems to be missing), or the 1988 Iranian airliner (I found that mentioned in another similar list when I did a search).

Either way, it looks like the list is garbage.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
53. I could be wrong about the dates that I recall.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:57 PM
Sep 2014

The anti-communist campaigns might have been in '47. Or, I might be altogether wrong. My understanding of recent far-east history is sketchy.

I don't think the list is garbage, though. We've bombed a horrifying number of countries. Additionally we've propped up so many fascist bullies and toppled so many stable regimes in order to further the aims of the Filthy Rich that future historians will undoubtedly label us monsters.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
55. Yes, but the fact that we bombed a lot of countries doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter who was on
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

the receiving end of those bombs. Making up history is a fairly terrible way to inform people about history.

As for China – we were assisting the Chinese during the war, and had troops stationed in post-war China. We were provided supplies to the Nationalists and helped them airlift troops, but I’m not aware of any military engagement with the communist Chinese (and there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of it when I searched, either). The US government seemed to try to be on good terms with the communists up until the Korean War, brokering a ceasefire between the two sides and halting aid to the nationalists when the communists began taking over the mainland.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
32. It appears they were bombing Japan
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:26 PM
Sep 2014

when they were all but defeated in China.

http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/chinoff/chinoff.htm

Hard to find relevant information. Many links mention the airlifting supplies over the big hump from India.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
17. Interesting - notice the general trend
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:06 AM
Sep 2014

First the Far East with China, Korea,etc.- then shift to South and Central America- then the Mid East. First the Yellow Scourge and the fear of falling dominos ,then the war on drugs and rebels, then oil. Again, the general trend with a stop-over to bomb a nuisance country.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
21. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
Sep 2014

eom

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
23. But..but...they hated us for our freedom!!
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. Allen Welsh Dulles and United Fruit Company
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:17 PM
Sep 2014

John Foster Dulles is featured in the work below:



A "killing field" in the Americas:
US policy in Guatemala


The reality of Guatemala

Guatemala, with 10 million people, is the most populous country in Central America. It is run by an oligarchy of wealthy landowners and big business interests that reap the country's agricultural and commercial rewards at the expense of the rest of the population. The country has been headed by military dictators and figurehead-presidents. Ultimate control belongs to the Army.

SNIP...

United Fruit, Eisenhower and the end of reform

United Fruit was a state within the Guatemalan state. It not only owned all of Guatemala's banana production and monopolized banana exports, it also owned the country's telephone and telegraph system, and almost all of the railroad track. In addition to redistributing United Fruit land, the government also began competing with United Fruit in the production and export of bananas.

Important people in the ruling circles of the US, involved with United Fruit Company, used their influence to convince the US government to step in. (Secretary of State John Foster Dulles' law firm had prepared United Fruit's contracts with Guatemala; his brother, CIA Director Allen Dulles, belonged to United Fruit's law firm; John Moors Cabot, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, was the brother of a former United Fruit president; President Eisenhower's personal secretary was married to the head of United Fruit's Public Relations Department.)

In 1954, Eisenhower and Dulles decided that Arbenz finally had to go, and the US State Department labeled Guatemala "communist". On this pretext, US aid and equipment were provided to the Guatemalan Army. The US also sent a CIA army and CIA planes. They bombed a military base and a government radio station, and overthrew Arbenz Guzmán, who fled to Cuba.

The coup restored the stranglehold on the Guatemalan economy of both the landed elite and US economic interests. President Eisenhower was willing to make the poor, illiterate Guatemalan peasants pay in hunger and torture for supporting land reform, and for trying to attain a better future for themselves and their families. In order to ensure ever-increasing profits for an American corporation, the US State Department, the CIA, and United Fruit Company had succeeded in taking freedom and land from Guatemala's peasants, unions from its workers, and hope for a democratic Guatemala from all of its people.

Aided by the US, Colonel Castillo Armas became the new president. The US Ambassador furnished Armas with lists of radical opponents to be eliminated, and the bloodletting promptly began. Under Armas, thousands were arrested and many were tortured and killed. United Fruit got all its land back. As an extra present, the Banana Worker's Union was banned. Armas disenfranchised one-third of the voters by barring illiterates from voting. He outlawed all political parties, labor confederations, and peasant organizations. He closed down opposition newspapers and burned "subversive" books. The "Springtime" had ended.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_Guat.html

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
31. That's a good refresher, Octafish.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:26 PM
Sep 2014

I had forgotten about United Fruit.

I'm going to bookmark that article for later. Thanks much!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. USA has killed MILLIONS to defeat "Communism."
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

The fact that they were innocent of harming the United States of America -- their only crime was to live in a nation marked for takeover by Wall Street -- makes it worse.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
52. Absolute agreement, Octafish.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:51 PM
Sep 2014

Our nation only exists in order to enrich the already disgustingly rich.

We're governed by psychopaths that only allow us to vote for their minions.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
54. Oh, General Smedley Butler!
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:03 PM
Sep 2014

Haven't thought of him in years. I tend to believe his accusation of a plot to stage a coup against FDR, but then I believe that the assassinations of the '60s were a successful coup by the Dominionists.

I don't mind being called a Tin Foiler. It certainly explains history since then, from my perspective.

tclambert

(11,086 posts)
35. "It is run by an oligarchy of wealthy landowners and big business interests"
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

"that reap the country's agricultural and commercial rewards at the expense of the rest of the population."

Thank God we aren't like that.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
38. Awww man.....
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

how do I bookmark this post? Have to run now, but definitely want to read this later.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. Go to Midtown and look for the building across from the Library.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:47 PM
Sep 2014

You can see Diego Rivera's masterpiece, Detroit Industry.

Brings tears to my eyes to type this, what Rivera's eyes must have seen for Glorious Victory:

Rivera put Ike's face on the bomb that made the coup possible.



Dulles is seen shaking hands with Col. Castillo Armas, the lackey CIA found to lead the "revolution" that overthrew the democratic, reform-minded government.

The suffering of millions in Guatemala, for profit and power.

The guy's cronies, the War Party who make endless war to make profits without end are still in power. Shorthand: the BFEE.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
50. Shame on me.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

It's Rivera at the DIA. Good grief I've seen that painting countless times in my life and I don't recognize that panel.

Good excuse to go again.

It's to Detroit's credit that we didn't destroy the painting like the pigs wanted to. They did destroy the one in NYC, according to the movie about Frida Kahlo.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
58. You are correct. It is a different painting...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:22 PM
Sep 2014

...entitled: "Glorious Victory." I alluded to Diego's masterpieces at the DIA as an inside thing. Here's details on the Guatemala painting, currently at the Palace of Fine Arts Museum in Mexico City:

http://art-for-a-change.com/blog/2007/10/diego-rivera-glorious-victory.html

Yeah, Mr. Rockefeller didn't like the Mexican painter.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
64. I was just wondering how I'd gotten this far in the thread with no mention of JF Dulles
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:08 PM
Sep 2014

Alan and John Foster Dulles are directly responsible for unrest and overthrow in many of the nations listed in the OP. Thanks, Octafish.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
26. We've become
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:14 PM
Sep 2014

an aggressive and greedy country.

Sadly, we're none the better for any of it. Except, of course, our true rulers, the untitled aristocracy.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
30. And yet, we are told, 'fear Pakistan!', 'fear Syria!', 'fear Palestinians!'
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:24 PM
Sep 2014

Why?? Because I guess if we're not careful, they want to be more like us.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
65. Blame America first? Where do you get off?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:13 PM
Sep 2014

The OP happens to be, you know...true. If you don't care for that, I'd suggest...fuck it, I'd suggest you just deal with it. Take your jingoism somewhere it will be appreciated.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
66. Any port in a storm.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

"Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order.[1] Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11,[2] vaccines,[3] genetic modification,[4] Zionism,[5][6] HAARP,[7] global warming,[8][9] Bosnian genocide denialism[10] and David Kelly.[11]

Globalresearch contributors are happy to source information from anyone who seems vaguely aligned with their ideology; during the 2011 Libyan civil war the site was an apologist for Muammar al-Gaddafi,[12] reproducing his propaganda and painting him as a paragon of a modern leader. In the 2014 Ukrainian crisis the site is taking the standard "anti-globalisation" stance against the Western side and falling into the ranks of imperial Russian propaganda instead.

It's no surprise then that the site has long become a magnet for radicals, fringe figures and whacko elements from the left in general."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
67. Super. But one lousy website does nothing at all
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:23 PM
Sep 2014

...to clear us of the crimes we've committed against other nations. Go do some reading about John Foster Dulles and then get back to me about ports and storms.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
56. we've also bombed ourselves quite a bit as well.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:50 PM
Sep 2014

Hundreds of nuclear tests at the Nevada Test Site, leading to increased cancer and radiation-related diseases in people living downwind from the site.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
68. Since 1980, we even have our militarized police turn against us...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:31 AM
Sep 2014

Remember back in 1981, when that neighborhood in a Pennsylvannia big city had a half block of residences burn, as the police went ballistic in pursuit of gang members.

And then in early 1993, there was Waco TX, where close to eighty people were murdered. (Including some 17 pregnant women.) Within two weeks after this murderous ATF/FBI slaughter, Time and Newsweek magazine reported how David Koresh coud have easily been appprehended by simply having FBI or ATF agents go to the video store where he went to pick up new videos several times a week, and then the agents could have taken him into custody. And that strtegy would not have cost anyone any injuries or loss of life!

But the Two Thousand Teens will probably beat all. We already have seen looting and trashing of neighborhood stores in Ferguson, with suspicious types of perhaps government provacateurs helping to do the looting.

Then we find out this week that :

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/school-districts-1033-program-military-equipment

School Districts receive heavy duty military weapons including grenade launchers!


From the article linked to above:
More than 20 school districts in the United States have been equipped with military-grade equipment through the federal program that provides such gear to local and state authorities free of charge, according to civil rights groups.

The NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Texas Appleseed, a legal advocacy group, sent a letter on behalf of a coalition of civil rights groups to the federal agency that administers the program on Monday. The letter requested reforms be made to the 1033 program, which has come under significant scrutiny after the heavily armed police response to protests in Ferguson, Mo., last month.

The letter cited "published reports" that have showed military equipment being transferred from the Pentagon to the school districts. It said the total number of transfers from the Defense Department to U.S. schools "is difficult to determine."

KPBS in Sand Diego reported that the city's school district had received a mine-resistant vehicle. KTLA in Los Angeles reported that the district there had also received its own mine-resistant vehicle as well as grenade launchers. KHOU in Houston reported that local school districts had received military firearms. And a school district in Edinburg, Texas, has employed a full SWAT unit, according to the letter, which is equipped through the 1033 program. The groups pointed to a news image that showed officers in military fatigues standing in front of school buses. "It is frankly difficult to imagine how a grenade launcher, or any of these items, could be safely used in any scenario involving schools," the letter said.

treestar

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70. We are to assume based on that list
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:03 AM
Sep 2014

with its bare information, that all of these bombings were just for fun?

Some of them don't even look right.

Stellar

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72. Bill Maher was talking about all the countries we have bombed..
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

But he only spoke of Muslim counties.


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