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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:25 PM Sep 2014

Any examples of Michael Moore making any sort of racist statements or actions aside from

Last edited Sat Sep 13, 2014, 08:59 AM - Edit history (2)

his recent remarks which some are calling racist? I respect that some may interpret his recent comments that way, though I don't agree that they were racist. We can interpret his remarks as we may, but there are people here accusing him of being an unequivocal racist. Why not provide any evidence you might have of racism in MM's past.

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Any examples of Michael Moore making any sort of racist statements or actions aside from (Original Post) G_j Sep 2014 OP
K&R pscot Sep 2014 #1
Why? That wouldn't mitigate what he said. CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #2
Are you going to let Obama off the hook for, say, being Wall Streets best pal? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #20
Gotta take attention off the new war somehow. LexVegas Sep 2014 #3
Stop making sense! joeybee12 Sep 2014 #4
Jury results Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #5
jeezz... G_j Sep 2014 #11
I have a suggestion. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #25
the thing about black guys on planes JI7 Sep 2014 #6
Canadian Bacon mocks Canadians Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #7
Well, there was the hateful African American wallet exchange me b zola Sep 2014 #8
he once quoted a joke by Bill Maher Enrique Sep 2014 #9
According to Right Wingers MM IS a racist. Ever seen their attacks on MM due to his comments sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #10
This was pointed out by another DUer Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #12
same views which lead people to say michael brown JI7 Sep 2014 #13
Bingo Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #14
If this even happened, this honestly sounded like much more like a harsh critique of white men...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #17
Moore attempts to portray blacks as stronger, more aggressive than whites..... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #19
I do agree that there were some unfortunate implications in there. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #22
why didn't he say Asian instead of black JI7 Sep 2014 #23
Then some would say he was racist against Asians. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #26
Yes it matters because he is pushing stereotypes JI7 Sep 2014 #27
because there is no stereotype of Asians being violent treestar Sep 2014 #32
Mighty white of you. XemaSab Sep 2014 #30
Yeah, but aside from that, and aside from his comments about Obama, SidDithers Sep 2014 #18
Was he quoting Aaron McGruder? johnp3907 Sep 2014 #31
I thought this was a call out of a DUer, but after madinmaryland Sep 2014 #15
Agreed. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #16
'MM is a racist' is about the most ignorant thing i've read on DU. KG Sep 2014 #21
Have any of you actually seen the interview? Savannahmann Sep 2014 #24
You're using reason and evidence... Al Carroll Sep 2014 #28
THANK YOU! betsuni Sep 2014 #33
du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #29
Yeah, there is.. Cha Sep 2014 #34
See Post 19. And Post 22 for that matter. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #35
No. Cha Sep 2014 #37
While I have no reason to doubt this person's honesty G_j Sep 2014 #38
Too bad they did not have facebook and twitter when he was in high school. former9thward Sep 2014 #36

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
2. Why? That wouldn't mitigate what he said.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:20 PM
Sep 2014

What he said was ugly and idiotic on its own merits.

If you want to stand by him or still think he's a great champion of progressive causes or whatever, that's your right.

And if I want to opine that he made a jackass statement and if I want to hold him to that any time he wants to try to wiggle off the hook for what he said and intimated, that's my right.

LexVegas

(6,067 posts)
3. Gotta take attention off the new war somehow.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:22 PM
Sep 2014

Defending that is harder than crying "Racist!" at MM.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. Stop making sense!
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:27 PM
Sep 2014

He was frustrated, as we all are, with all this sh*t. Yet that's not stopping the outrage and making stuff up about Moore.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
5. Jury results
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:50 PM
Sep 2014

On Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Any examples of MM making any sort of racist statements or actions aside from
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025525451

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

seriously innapropriate

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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
25. I have a suggestion.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:48 PM
Sep 2014

When someone alerts on something, and the vote is seven to zero against, we should put the alerter in time out for three days because they're obviously too wound up and need a break from the message board for a bit.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
8. Well, there was the hateful African American wallet exchange
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:01 PM
Sep 2014



Oh my, maybe he's not a racist after all.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
9. he once quoted a joke by Bill Maher
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sep 2014

"I voted for the black guy, and what we got was a white guy"

It's not racist like he hates black people, but it's wrong imho.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. According to Right Wingers MM IS a racist. Ever seen their attacks on MM due to his comments
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:08 PM
Sep 2014

on 'white peoples' reasons for bearing arms'?? Lol, it drove them into a frenzy calling Moore a 'fat racist' himself.

But other than that, no, and it is only here that I have seen his remark giving Obama credit for his historical accomplishment, called racist.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
12. This was pointed out by another DUer
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:09 PM
Sep 2014

What we did not expect was to feel so enraged at one point that we almost walked out. It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody. God save us from such stupid white men, especially now, when in the US and the UK, black people's lives are being ripped to shreds by drugs, lawlessness, fear and frightful violence plus the endless circle of racism, exclusion and incarceration. This is not awesome, Mr Moore; it is a calamity, for descendants of slaves unimaginably more so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025518956

JI7

(89,252 posts)
13. same views which lead people to say michael brown
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:16 PM
Sep 2014

Was running towards someone shooting at him.

And that trayvon Martin could not be the one screaming for help and it was the one with the gun who was scared.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
14. Bingo
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:19 PM
Sep 2014

It plays into the stereotype...blacks are more aggressive, dangerous etc...

Sadly, this stereotype is what leads to so many black men being unnecessarily killed by law enforcement.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. If this even happened, this honestly sounded like much more like a harsh critique of white men......
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:29 PM
Sep 2014

.....than racism against blacks, TBH. Poorly worded? Yes, I'll definitely grant them that, at least. But racism? No.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
19. Moore attempts to portray blacks as stronger, more aggressive than whites.....
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

Like I said above, this stereotype is what leads to blacks being disproportionately targeted and killed by law enforcement. Blacks are viewed as more dangerous and aggressive than whites. Moore articulates this stereotype in his statement.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
22. I do agree that there were some unfortunate implications in there.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:38 PM
Sep 2014

But, again, assuming this happened, the context seems quite clear. This wasn't about bigotry against black folks, it was a critique of white men. And, to be fair to Moore, a critique which may not be entirely undeserved, at that.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
26. Then some would say he was racist against Asians.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:49 PM
Sep 2014

But does it really matter? The context seems pretty clear to me.....

JI7

(89,252 posts)
27. Yes it matters because he is pushing stereotypes
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:51 PM
Sep 2014

There is a reason he said black instead of asian

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. because there is no stereotype of Asians being violent
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:27 PM
Sep 2014

that's precisely why he referred to black men. He only appears to be insulting white men.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. Yeah, but aside from that, and aside from his comments about Obama,
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:30 PM
Sep 2014

can you find any examples of MM making any sort of racist statements or actions?

What have the Romans done for us, anyway?

Sid

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
15. I thought this was a call out of a DUer, but after
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

Reading the thread, I assume it is in regards to Michael Moore. To the OP, you might want to modify your post.

Thanks.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
16. Agreed.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:26 PM
Sep 2014

As I myself have said, I do think he was being rather hard on Obama; this president has had to put up with more shit than even Clinton had to deal with.....and he's done plenty of good things(he killed Bin Laden, and signed the universal healthcare law, for one).

I don't think there IS any evidence, that Michael Moore is a secret racist, or that he's even really prejudiced at all, TBH. And I'm not even one of his biggest fans.

KG

(28,751 posts)
21. 'MM is a racist' is about the most ignorant thing i've read on DU.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:36 PM
Sep 2014

and after 13 years that's saying something. fucking mental midgets.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
24. Have any of you actually seen the interview?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:42 PM
Sep 2014

Here is the interview in question.



So what did he mention as an example of failure of President Obama? The interview was about "Roger and Me" movie which was the platform that launched Michael Moore's career. That movie, for those of you who don't know, is about the decline of Detroit and Flint Michigan as GM and Ford and Chrysler were pulling out for other locations including Mexico. I've seen the movie, and it's heartbreaking the way the towns shrank after the industry that supported the middle class left.

Fast forward to this very year. We've talked about it here. Water turned off at 150,000 homes. Power turned off. Streetlights turned off. Just five days ago, a thread was posted pointing out how the Detroit Fire Department was using a soda can and a fax machine to notify the firemen that there was a fire. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025499039

So Michael Moore says that President Obama did not save Detroit as the President said he had. Again, the subject of Roger and Me was Detroit and Flint Michigan and the auto industry pulling out.

So what is Michael saying? He's saying that we could have had single payer. He's saying that we could have ended NAFTA and brought the jobs back home. We could have done a lot of things to help the unions, the middle class, and the people. Instead, we shored up the insurance industry, health insurance was getting expensive, and people were having trouble affording it, so now they have to buy it. We have 92 million people not in the workforce, a record high in both percentage and numbers since the Great Depression despite the "recovery".

So what is left for the President to be congratulated for in a hundred years? Lincoln of course, won the Civil War, and freed the slaves. Wilson won WW I after failing to keep us out of the war. FDR Saved the economy, and led the nation through nearly four years of war. LBJ will be remembered for Viet-Nam, and most importantly the Great Society. JFK, the Moon landings, Cuban Missile Crisis, and the image of Camelot for the First Family.

But when in another two decades, we finally get the Single Payer we should have now, what will President Obama be remembered for? Bombing the enemies of Assad the year after we wanted to bomb Assad for killing? A Nobel Peace Prize for getting elected? What will his accomplishment be?

That is what Michael Moore is clearly saying. President Obama can't get credit for saving Detroit, it's a shambles. Healthcare is not what it should be, and I've pointed out before. Why would corporations move to Britain which has high taxes to afford Single Payer for lower taxes that what they pay here in the US without single payer. How can out taxes be higher, and we get less for it?

I honestly wonder how many of you have watched the interview, and have seen Roger and Me, and know what any of it is about.

Michael Moore, like many here, including myself, defends the President when he's right.



And we take issue with the President when we feel he's wrong.



Racism is not the motivating force behind all criticism of the President. Watch at least the first video, and see the interview that we are busy talking about. Because you'll see that Michael Moore is focused primarily on Detroit and how it wasn't really saved at all, despite the hype and the claims to the contrary.

Al Carroll

(113 posts)
28. You're using reason and evidence...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 03:10 PM
Sep 2014

...and that's not what the hysterical ones labeling Moore as "racist" want.

I have a hard time thinking of a major public figure in recent years that has been more ANTI racists than Moore. Recall his book Stupid White Men with a major part of its premise being that demonizing Blacks for crime was ridiculous.

And of course who has spent more time taking up the causes of Detroit than Moore?

betsuni

(25,538 posts)
33. THANK YOU!
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:31 PM
Sep 2014

Moore was frustrated about Detroit. I'm going to find my copy of "Stupid White Men" now, time for a reread.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
34. Yeah, there is..
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:48 PM
Sep 2014

06 January 2003

"I took my son to see Michael Moore live at the Roundhouse, in north London, before Christmas. The US radical and author of the best-selling book Stupid White Men was (mostly) clever, funny, angry, sharp, iconoclastic and sceptical about the lies and humbug processed by the US government and big business. Sure there were some flunked bits – you expect that, the troughs are part of the adventure, an evening with a well-worn rebel."

"What we did not expect was to feel so enraged at one point that we almost walked out. It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody. God save us from such stupid white men, especially now, when in the US and the UK, black people's lives are being ripped to shreds by drugs, lawlessness, fear and frightful violence plus the endless circle of racism, exclusion and incarceration. This is not awesome, Mr Moore; it is a calamity, for descendants of slaves unimaginably more so"

https://web.archive.org/web/20030206101644/http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=366725



G_j

(40,367 posts)
38. While I have no reason to doubt this person's honesty
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:16 AM
Sep 2014

This is one person's impression, without any actual quotes. After all the good he has done, that is not enough for me to throw him under the bus.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
36. Too bad they did not have facebook and twitter when he was in high school.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:55 PM
Sep 2014

People would be poring over his posts right now...

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