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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:22 AM Sep 2014

Ex-Welder Preparing to Rule Sweden Promises Nordic Welfare Dream

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-12/ex-welder-preparing-to-rule-sweden-promises-nordic-welfare-dream.html



Stefan Loefven, a former welder who was raised by foster parents after his mother abandoned him at 10 months, plans to reinstate the traditional pillars of Nordic welfare he says Sweden has lost.

The 57-year-old union boss is closing in on becoming Sweden’s first Social Democratic premier in eight years, according to polls ahead of the Sept. 14 election.

“The reality is working against the government,” said Loefven, who was raised by a lumberjack and a home-care provider after being given up by his biological mother. “There are cracks in the welfare in such a way that people no longer feel safe.”

Perceived as pragmatic and business friendly while heading the IF Metall union, Loefven is now calling for higher payroll taxes and levies on banks to raise unemployment and sickness benefits that were cut by Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt. He also plans to outspend Reinfeldt in building railways, housing, improving education and creating public sector jobs to bring down Scandinavia’s highest unemployment rate.
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Ex-Welder Preparing to Rule Sweden Promises Nordic Welfare Dream (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
Huge kick. These are the policies that help the 99%. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #1
A real liberal is going to show the world that austerity is not the key to recovery. Hopefully they jwirr Sep 2014 #2
Interesting. A chat with a Swedish MD where I work AllyCat Sep 2014 #3
AllyCat Diclotican Sep 2014 #5
I want to say thanks to you... ms liberty Sep 2014 #14
ms liberty Diclotican Sep 2014 #16
I am trying to learn more about the Norwegian democracy. Sognefjord Sep 2014 #22
Sognefjord Diclotican Sep 2014 #26
We were at Akershus and saw the Royal Guards there. It was free. We walked there from our hotel. Sognefjord Sep 2014 #29
Sognefjord Diclotican Sep 2014 #31
I liked the trip to Norway and will plan to go back especially to see more of northern Norway. Sognefjord Sep 2014 #32
Sognefjord Diclotican Sep 2014 #33
Welfare Dream? agent46 Sep 2014 #4
Bloomberg kcr Sep 2014 #28
I love this guy... And it seems he is close to a win. freshwest Sep 2014 #6
Unless 'democracy for all' U.S. interfere with Sweden election and rig it for capitalist opponent... TRoN33 Sep 2014 #7
if this were happening in south America you could bet the US would sink it Doctor_J Sep 2014 #15
TRoN33 Diclotican Sep 2014 #17
and we get joe the plumber. so fucking unfair. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #8
! xchrom Sep 2014 #12
Good story, except for the sexist way his early life spooky3 Sep 2014 #9
That's a fuck-awful headline. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #10
Fucking Bloomberg with the Welfare Dream headline hootinholler Sep 2014 #11
The words "union boss" are a huge dog whistle n/t electricray Sep 2014 #20
What did we used to say? Oh yeah. Hope he avoids flying in small aircraft. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #13
Do You Want To Be Our President??? supercats Sep 2014 #18
That's my kind of man! SunSeeker Sep 2014 #19
I refuse to believe that can't happen here in the US. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #21
Certainly at the state level. No reason most of the deep blue states, at least, couldn't elect nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #24
He wouldn't even win here on DU shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #25
He's going to have to rely on the Greens and post-communists to form a majority shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #23
Solidarity K&R nt TBF Sep 2014 #27
100th recommendation. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #30

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. A real liberal is going to show the world that austerity is not the key to recovery. Hopefully they
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:30 AM
Sep 2014

will give him a chance. Wish we had one like him.

AllyCat

(16,193 posts)
3. Interesting. A chat with a Swedish MD where I work
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:33 AM
Sep 2014

Says that he is the greatest candidate she has voted for in a long time. She has to go to the Swedish consulate to vote. She said Norway has taken a wrong turn and Sweden is hoping to avoid that path. This guy sounds interesting.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
5. AllyCat
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:20 AM
Sep 2014

AllyCat

The conservatives in Norway is maybe not the worst who could happened - but yeah - It sucks... At least as the Conservatives is in charge (Høyre) most would be as it is - but the wild card is FRP, the jr partner - and rather "libertarian" in its views - the Foreman have stated that one of her highest heroes is Ayn Rand - something that really was a no-goer for me when I was going to elect a new government last year..

But I do hope - that the conservatives are not able to do to much damage the next couple of years - the social-democratic party DNA or Labor party is waiting in the wings - to step up to have a government if the Blue-blue conservative government fail... And the statistic are not in favor of a conservative government - and it is some split ideological vice between FRP and Høyre - who might be a problem in the near future.... I almost hope - they have a break up - and that either Høyre have to govern alone - in a minority government - or have ask for someone else to step up to govern... As we do not have any early voting in our election laws - the largest party with most seats in the Parliament who have to govern - if the first one is not able to govern alone...

Sweden on the other hand - have been governed by an conservative party for the last couple of years - where "old" conservative ideology have been put in place - with cuts in all levels when it come to the general welfare - and most pensions or public founds have been garnished - to secure the payment of national debt - who was rather large in the 1990s... Today Sweden have not a lot of national debt - even if the general founds still are at a small level - and the difference between most people -and the wealthy ones have changed dramatically over the last 10 years.. The poor have been poorer - the rich have been richer - and the "social contract" between the State and the people have been if not destroyed - so at least far less clearly than it was before...

Diclotican

ms liberty

(8,580 posts)
14. I want to say thanks to you...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

When you post comments you add to our knowledge and world view! One thing I love about DU is to see the viewpoint of people who are not like me, a white southern woman. We can learn much from our fellow liberals around the world, yes? Lessons we Americans really need particularly right now!

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
16. ms liberty
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:12 PM
Sep 2014

ms liberty

Thank you - DU is a place where you can get some insight - and new knowledge about the world - or at least some insight about how other places work - And I think in many cases we can all learn from each other - that be a white man from the northern part of Europe - or a Southern white woman - I think US need a lot of knowledge and insight about how other parts of the world work - as the ignorance many in the US is under is rather horrible - I'm not saying I am so Mitch smarter than the ordinary american - but to me it looks like many americans is proud of their ignorance - and could not care less about how the rest of the world think about them...

I do hope US will wake up - and do the "right thing" as US always do - even if you have been goofing around and messed up things rather to the extreme... After all - the conservatives is in minority - in the US as in Europe - they might be loud - they might be messy - and they claim to have all the answers - but the fact is they have no clue how to sort out or greatest problems - and is using the same tactics as they always do - when things are not going as it should... Cut to everyones general welfare - and prop up big business... It is the same in Europe as in US - and sadly enough people in power have forgotten how people in Europe tend to act - if they are hungry and cold - they tend to revolt - and sometimes success.. For a 100 years the "business" was scared to the bone after 1917 - and they should still be scared - becouse this continent is waking up....

Diclotican

Sognefjord

(229 posts)
22. I am trying to learn more about the Norwegian democracy.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:50 AM
Sep 2014

I was in Oslo and Bergen last month and my wife and I were asked how we liked Norway. I replied, "Very much indeed." Of course all my ancestors are Norwegian so that might have been an influence. We got to tour the Royal Palace too.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
26. Sognefjord
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:55 AM
Sep 2014

Sognefjord

You was in Oslo and bergen last month cool - Oslo is starting to grow up now I would say - with all the new buildings down at the waterfront - but I am not to found about the big buildings down at the waterfront - I would have deiced of a smaller "footprint" so to say - but it is not me who was in charge down there....

Bergen is maybe one of our most beautifully city's clean - and nice compared to Oslo - and not to big either.. And it have a more cosmopolitan view of the world than most of Norway - as it have always looked westward - for new frontiers.... And also was the old Capital of Norway - and one of the most important city's the 12th century...

I have never been into the royal palace - even if I live just 30 minutes with train from Oslo... Compared to other palaces in Europe - the palace in Oslo is rather small, but then it was made in the 1800s when most of the large palaces was already a few centuries old And for what it is worth - it is a great symbol of our kings and queens.. Most people just call it Slottet - and then everyone know what you are talking about..

When you was in Oslo - was you at Aker brygge - or at the Akershus Fortress and Castle too?.. Aker brygge is a nice place to sit when it is summer and warm - to have a drink of your choice - and just looking at the people there - but it is expensive out there - on the other hand it is still free to walk around and look at things yet...

The Fortress is on the other side - from Aker brygge - and its name is Akershus festning - or Akershus fortress - the fortress you see today is from the 1500s-1600s - but the main buildings on the top - is all the way back to the late 1300s - even if it is enlarged and rebuild from what it once was... It have been one of the most important castles - and fortresses in Norway - a royal fortress back in the middle ages - a castle where kings and queen lived - then a military HQ with all what become a military HQ - a prison - for people who have doing some nasty criminal things - and today - it is still a military HQ - but for the most part it is open to the public every day - all day from morning to the evening - and the Castle part is used as an official reception area the government when foreign leaders and nobility is in town...

The County around Oslo - is named after the castle-Akershus to - but that is maybe a digress...

Diclotican

Sognefjord

(229 posts)
29. We were at Akershus and saw the Royal Guards there. It was free. We walked there from our hotel.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:55 AM
Sep 2014

We were in a hotel next to the railway station. We took the train from Oslo to Bergen to see something of Norway and then we flew back to Oslo on a turboprop aircraft. We were in Bergen on one of the rare days it was not raining. We spent a lot of time at Bygdoy to see the folk museum and the Osaberg ship. I wanted to see the farm buildings from Sogn since that is where my great- grandfather Ivar was from. We liked seeing the stavekirk since there is an old one like it near my ancestral farm. One thing I did not realize is how far out the airports are from the city centers. Gardemoen is about 45 minutes away. And when we came back from Bergen we landed at Torp which is in Sandefjord. Luckily we got a train into Oslo after about ten minutes so we could get back to our hotel. I enjoyed the trip. People identified us as Americans right away and were quite friendly. I don't think they are used to stray older Americans walking around since most are in tour groups like the Chinese. I don't like tour groups since I would rather explore places on my own. I became aware of the fact that a significant part of Oslo seems to be Islamic! I don't think a tour group would have been told about that!!

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
31. Sognefjord
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:10 AM
Sep 2014

Sognefjord

So you was inside the Fortress - nice - it is free admission to go to the fortress - and you can stay their all day if you want - even have a picnic if you want to do it.. And it is a few museum to wist too - The Homefront Museum - going back to WW2 - and you have also The national defense museum who is situated in the "new" part of the fortress - a old mutation building where the fortress once had its armaments and gun powders for its weapons - who generally show the different weapon used in Norway from the middle ages to more or less the current time... The train ride from oslo to bergen is maybe one of our finest train roads - as it goes true some of the most beautifully nature in the country - in fact NRK our national broadcasting corporation made a 9 hour live TV from a trip from Bergen and Oslo - when Bergensbanen as it is known was 100 year a couple of years ago - it was not just a camera on the top of the train - who looked forward - but it was also a lot of history around the main line - songs from that age - and a lot of other things who for a century was living on and around the railroad. It was interesting to look at - it was was some have made into "slow- TV" - a year after they had "Hurtigruten minutt for minutt" from Bergen to Kirkenes - 5 days of non-stop TV on board and outside one of the ships who is known as the Hurtigruten - The main highway nr 1 as it is called- one of the most important transport means in Norway for most of the cast going all the back to who know where... And as some even discovered here on DU - the national knitting evening, hours on hours of just people sitting and knitting - I wonder what is next on the agenda - a national day of fishing?...

I guess you flew on Widerøe - a rather old company who use turbo-props - and a very nice company too who is known for having some of the best pilots out there - as they often land on challenging airports north in Norway - who in winter can be rather difficult to land at- if it is some storm approaching.. One of our national singers - who have kind of being a "treasure" in Norway made a cover song from john Denver - Liten grønn og syk about a Twin otter who was doing its job all over the country - look it up at you tube

Bygdøy have some very nice buildings as the Folkemuseum - going back to the middle ages in fact - some of the oldest buildings there is from the late 1300s - maybe even earlier - and the Stavkirke is is one of the oldest church building we know about in Norway - it wa build at a time when brick building was rather new to scandinavia - and expensive - it was easier to build in wood - as we had, and still have a lot of it to use - and it was build many of them in the middle ages - for the new christian religion - in time most of them was teared down, released by other structures in brick or in more modern timber and panel - a part of our history was lost on the way - but the few who survived is properly some of the greatest building from that age and time...

Gardermoen is maybe 45 min from Oslo - you can use the Airport Express train who go straight to Oslo S - (Oslo central station) or use one of he more slow local trains - who can take some longer time - Torp on the other hand is maybe a hour outside of Oslo - but it goes coach busses to the airport and back to Oslo every hour or so - and Torp is one of the airports who have grown most the last couple of yeas, many use its facilities today...

Americans is americans - and it is rather not difficult to identify an american from a crowd - I'm not sure but most american I have seen is rather loud speaking and well - they tend to look out in most crowds... But most Norwegians have a friendly idea around americans - and I hope you enjoyed your trip going around un-supervised in most of Norway - a group tour is a group tour - but if you want to discover a country - or a specially place, you better do it yourself - then you can really discover how a place is....

Some of Oslo have a large minority who is generally speaking of muslim faith - Grønland/Gamle Oslo/Tøyen is maybe some of the places where muslims have kind of "getting the upper hand" in Oslo - and the minority is the majority... But they do make some decent food there - and it s rather interesting to have a "diving" into the food stores at Grønland - who have spices and all type of food you seldom get on the super market.. But I guess - Norway of today - is a verry diffferent country than your grandparents Norway - and I guess it goes both on the positive side - and the negative side so to speak...


Diclotican

Sognefjord

(229 posts)
32. I liked the trip to Norway and will plan to go back especially to see more of northern Norway.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:08 AM
Sep 2014

There was a video in the nautical museum on Bygdoy about the Norwegian coastline and it was excellent. We wanted also to see the Fram museum but it was closed for repairs when we were there. And we did not see the Oslo city museum or the Vigeland sculptures. Yes, we flew on the Wideroe planes. It was refreshing to get on a plane from the tarmac and not have to be processed through some long tunnel. We liked the Munch museum also. The Asian tour groups paused in front of the Scream picture and got long lectures about what it meant. I think I knew right away what it meant!! I also visited the used and rare bookstores in Oslo. The ones that are left. I actually already have complete Bjornson and Ibsen sets and most of Hamsun (some in Norwegian) but just wanted to see what they had. I bought some books on Polar exploration. I wanted to buy the Nansen books and some others but they were cost more kroners than I wanted to pay. I also want the books about the Osabergfundet but no one has them for sale. Anyway, that's the sort of thing I like to do since I am fascinated by history. Next option might be a stavkirk tour which a travel agency in Minnesota offers.

I brought home some Aass ale for some friends (I don't drink) and had the worst time getting this back to Iowa. But I succeeded. Also a can of Borg Ale. They don't sell these in the US. Also, I probably stood out as a US tourist since my voice tends to be a bit loud and also since I was wearing some tropical Hawaiian-type shirts which no one else wore! As to change, I don't live in the country I lived in during my childhood so I just assumed Norway had changed also. I was just surprised in what ways it had changed.

Another thing I liked about Norway is that you could walk along dark city streets at night and be perfectly safe!

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
33. Sognefjord
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:35 AM
Sep 2014

Sognefjord

You should definitely travel to the north of Norway when you have the time to do it - if you are lucky with the weather - you should discover a part of the country who is a treasure - and a reason for many tourist to travel to Norway at all - but you should try if you are able to travel to Sognefjorden too - if you have not been there already - I have driven that way a few times - and it is still an amazing place to travel to - specially if you drive over the mountain pass - and then suddenly (more or less) discover signified deeep under you - first you have the bare mountain gray and cold - then longer down you have all the green woods where people is living - and deep under you - the cold almost green water at the Sognefjorden - it is more freshwater than saltwater as the freshwater from thousands of rivers and streams are going into the fjord - and make it look like water with the colour of emerald deep down there - Amazing

The Fram museum is rather interesting - as you is able to walk inside Fram - the ship who Nansen used to sail to the poles - a rather big ship - but to be kept there for mounts at the time... I'm not sure I would have been able to do that...

Next time you should try to wist Vigelands park - and the sculptures - it is rather interesting sculptures - even though I am not to well into the different statues - even if I have been there many, many times over my life.. But Sinnataggen is rather famous all over the planet

The scream or Skriket - is maybe one of Munch's more famous pictures is a picture many want to look at - and many want to be lectured about what it meant - I guess some understood what it is about instantly - and the Munch museum is a rather interesting museum too.. even if I found it rather boring when I was a kid But I guess now as I am grown up - I'm more able to understand it... Life tend to learn you few things...

It exist a few rare bookstores in Oslo, you just have to find them - sadly they are in the minority now this days - but they are still open - and I have getting a few books myself who is rather rare - flee markets tend also to be a place to get some treasures - if you are lucky then...

Books tend to be expensive - and some books are just to expensive to buy if you are on a budget I guess I buy mine one sale for the most part - less expensive - and I got the same book for the lower price... History is one of my favorites too - and I dig true most of what I am able to get my hands on - my local library is rather well stocked - so I am many times there too - to get some books - to read....

Aas ale is a nice beer - rather tastefully - Borg Ale is also good - not as good as Aas but still a nice beer (Aas is by the way brewed in Drammen - and is one of the few local brewery still existing in Norway) I guess they do not sell them in the US - and if they did - it would be difficult to get them even then A hawaii style shirts tend to stand out in Norway - so I guess you would have been standing out most ways - but thats maybe the charm with americans - they tend to just stand out anywhere they stay....

If you talk to some of the more anti-immigrant groups here in Norway - you would have been in danger of been attacked and killed by "foreigners" even in bright daylight - for the most part Oslo and most of Norway is safe to walk in - some places you might be more carefully than others - but as a general rule - you can walk in most of Oslo without been harmed in any way... It all depend I guess how you act yourself.... For the most part we just do not have the same culture of gun violence as in the US...

Diclotican

agent46

(1,262 posts)
4. Welfare Dream?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:06 AM
Sep 2014

WTF? This sounds like a solid domestic recovery plan - not some wild leftist free for all.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
28. Bloomberg
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 08:55 AM
Sep 2014

I know. You have to use a right wing to sanity translation in your head while you're reading it to parse what's really going on.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
7. Unless 'democracy for all' U.S. interfere with Sweden election and rig it for capitalist opponent...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:28 AM
Sep 2014

to win it all... After all, U.S. love to preach the free democracy for everybody in the world!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. if this were happening in south America you could bet the US would sink it
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:55 PM
Sep 2014

Messing with old Europe is another story

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
17. TRoN33
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

TRoN33

Sweden have its own - rather modern Navy, Air force and Army - and is also an expert of "guerrilla warfare" so if US want to get a bloody nose - your are welcome to try... Sweden are maybe not a big military power like the US - but they are fighting on their own territory - and know how to do warfare....

Dicloticna

spooky3

(34,460 posts)
9. Good story, except for the sexist way his early life
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:31 AM
Sep 2014

was described. Did his father "abandon" him too? And, if the mother went through the adoption process to ensure he would have a living home with two parents, he was not "abandoned."

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
10. That's a fuck-awful headline.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:36 AM
Sep 2014

Democratically elected leaders do not "rule", they govern. Unless this chap is going to be Sweden's new king and he's reinstating absolute monarchy? He's not preparing to rule Sweden.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
11. Fucking Bloomberg with the Welfare Dream headline
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:09 AM
Sep 2014

I wonder how many more dog-whistles there are in the article.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
24. Certainly at the state level. No reason most of the deep blue states, at least, couldn't elect
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:31 AM
Sep 2014

Social Democrat governors - even if they happen to have a "D" by their name. We need more truly liberal/progressive Democrats in the mold of Bernie Sanders (yeah, obviously he's an independent, but oh well).

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
25. He wouldn't even win here on DU
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:19 AM
Sep 2014

Swedish government spending is currently at 50% of GDP after eight years of conservative rule. Most Swedes think that thats too low, so this guy advocates taking that back up to 60%-odd. Traditionally, public spending accounted for about two-thirds of the Swedish economy.

By comparison, public spending is about 25% of GDP in the US and even a good deal of that is accounted for by defence, policing and jails. Obama didnt even have the balls to allow the *top* marginal tax rate in the US to go up to 36 cents in the dollar and he DIDNT NEED TO GET ANY REPUBLICAN SUPPORT FOR THAT. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS SIT ON HIS ARSE AND ALLOW THE BUSH TAX CUTS TO EXPIRE.

The difference is night and day. This guy wouldnt get elected dogcatcher in Vermont, and the US is all the more poorer for it. By all means lets discuss why that is, but lets not gild the lily here. This guy is not a liberal, progressive or any other euphemism, he's a proper socialist, and he's simply off the spectrum as far as the US is concerned.



shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
23. He's going to have to rely on the Greens and post-communists to form a majority
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:25 AM
Sep 2014

the big unknown is how the Sweden Democrats (a far right party with anti immigration views) will do. They will get a swing, maybe up to 10% of the vote, but it is possible that there may be a Bradley effect and they will end up with more.

http://news.yahoo.com/swedish-election-swing-more-style-substance-231731575.html

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