Female Ravens fans defend Ray Rice: 'I'm keeping my jersey'

[yuiyoshida]

BALTIMORE — LaTonya Jones is a survivor. The first time her husband hit her, she got out of that relationship immediately. She was strong for her kids, she said.

But that isn’t keeping her from wearing her Ray Rice jersey.

“I’m keeping my jersey,” she said. “I’m not going to trade it in.”

Jones sat at a tailgate with friends — many of whom were also wearing No. 27 before the Baltimore Ravens kicked off against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday night — and said that she supports Rice.

more...http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/ray-rice-fans

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I don't know about you, but sometimes it feels like we live in an alternate universe...

[CentralMass]

1. Recommended for your comment on living in an alternate universe.

[yuiyoshida]

4. Its nuts...

I love football but this is nuts... scratch that... "insane" is better.

[yeoman6987]

10. Well the jersey was probably a hundred bucks. /sarc

[LiberalFighter]

12. They could trade it in.

[geek tragedy]

2. the stupid, it burns nt

[LibAsHell]

3. Good grief

It just got more and more cringeworthy as I read it.

How do these women peddle these ridiculous excuses as victims of abuse?

They were drunk
She hit him first
It had nothing to do with his job
It happens every day

And, my personal favorite: it happened in February, therefore it should have ended in February. What the fuck???? Yeah, let's set a current-month statute of limitations for getting being knocked unconscious in an assault. One of the dumbest things I think I've ever heard.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. Oi!!

WTF is wrong with these women?

[johnp3907]

6. ugh

[spanone]

7. these people are aliens to me.

[yuiyoshida]

9. When Vick mistreated those dogs he got

worse than this... what did they see in the elevator? A love tap? holy crap....

[davidn3600]

15. He didnt just mistreat them, he tortured and killed them

I understand people are trying to compare it to show Vick got prison for abusing dogs and Rice got nothing for abusing a woman. But it's not really the same thing.

Vick was taking dogs and making them fight, collecting bets on who will win, and then torturing and killing the loser. First off, doing that suggests some psychotic behavior. That's not normal. Second, he was committing several different crimes. He wasn't just abusing dogs. He was running a gambling ring. He set up a company as a front to the operation. Etc...

So it's not really a equal comparison.

[CTyankee]

20. And a lot of abused women are one beating away from being killed themselves...

so stop this. Women are killed by their husbands and partners every day in America.

Just stop. You've said enough.

[davidn3600]

35. Ray Rice didn't kill his wife

You are expanding this thing way beyond the specific case in question.

If you want to start a discussion about domestic violence and how women are killed by it, then start a thread for that. But Ray Rice didn't kill anyone here. So let's not make false equivalences.

[SunSeeker]

41. "Way beyond"? Did you see the video? Rice almost killed her. He gave her a head injury.

He punched this women so hard with his massive arm that she went flying, her head slamming into the metal railing in the elevator. She was OUT COLD. That means she suffered a head injury. People die from these type of punches all the time, mostly from there head hitting an object when they fall.

Rice showed absolutely no concern for her--or even checked her pulse. He just dragged her out of the elevator like a sack of garbage. He KICKED her legs out of the elevator doors, not wanting to be bothered to bend down to move them.

How is THAT not as psychotic as killing a dog? Rice almost killed this woman. Is not a woman worth more than a dog in your mind?

[davidn3600]

43. But he didn't kill her...

If he killed her, he'd be on trial for murder.

If someone attempts to kill someone but fails, do we still give them the death penalty? No. Of course not. The law works on a system of tiers depending on how bad a crime was and this then defines what the sentence should be. Not all crimes are the same and our laws reflect that.

Should Ray Rice have gone to jail? Absolutely. I never said he shouldn't. But I don't know the laws in Maryland. I know in my state there are actually three different degrees a person can be charged with domestic violence ranging from a misdemeanor (first time offenders get no jail) to a aggravated felony that can go as high as 10 years. What degree a person is charged with depends on prior criminal history and the extent of the injuries....also if a child was witnessing it could elevate it.

The point I was making above is that Vick did more than just abuse animals. He killed them and he was involved in gambling. There were multiple other crimes Vick was committing, therefore you cannot compare his sentence to what Ray Rice got. It is not an equivalence.

Saying that I think animals are worth more than women is freakin ridiculous. And you are putting words in my mouth. Im not even going to reply to such nonsense.

[SunSeeker]

48. The actions of the perp in murder and attempted murder are the same.

Last edited Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:30 PM - Edit history (2)

The only difference is in attempted murder the victim happens to survive--no thanks to the perp. If we are simply looking at the actions of the perpetrator, attempted murder is not "well beyond" murder. They are the same.

You said Vick's actions were "psychotic" because he tortured and killed dogs. You explicitly distinguished Vick from Rice in that you thought Vick's actions were psychotic and apparently Rice's were not.

As you said in post #15:

Vick was taking dogs and making them fight, collecting bets on who will win, and then torturing and killing the loser. First off, doing that suggests some psychotic behavior. That's not normal. 

To suggest that kicking the body of a woman he just knocked out cold is not psychotic, but rather "normal, " certainly does demonstrate how you value women compared to dogs.

Oh, and just so I don't get alerted on again by someone who claims Ray Rice didn't kick Janay, here's the video. He kicks her right leg with his left foot at 0.13, the way you would kick a piece of trash out of the way. My husband was the one who actually noticed that and pointed it out to me.

Ray Rice Video Beating Manhandling Fiancee Janay …:

[IdaBriggs]

49. FYI - Results of Alert

"Way beyond"? Did you see the video? Rice almost killed her. He gave her a head injury.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5524107

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

"Is not a woman worth more than a dog in your mind?" -- WTF? The poster *NEVER* said this, and the unbelievably insulting straw man argument is completely over the top.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:01 AM, and voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If it weren't for strawmen arguments we wouldn't have many debates at all
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter needs to quit imagining things.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is very inaccurate. Janay was not pregnant when this occurred, he didn't almost kill her and he didn't kick her legs. What was done was horrible all on it's own, it doesn't need to be embellished like this poster did.

The other poster never said what she's accusing him of, but I don't think this rises to the level of needing to be hidden. More honesty less hair on fire would be nice.

Finally, if we're to have conversations about domestic violence it doesn't help when wild accusations and lies are thrown about in this manner. This poster might want to think about that.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The person she is responding to seems to have a particularly thick skull concerning domestic abuse.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[SunSeeker]

50. Thanks. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

8. Unfortunately all Misogynists aren't men .

[Jack Rabbit]

13. I have a name for femaile misogynists

A misogynist woman is a phyllis schlafly (I've made it a common noun, like quisling).i/i]

[ismnotwasm]

16. Nice!

[thucythucy]

18. Well done!

But I'd shorten it to just a "schlafly." Very few people remember Quisling's first name.

[Jack Rabbit]

33. Vidkun

!!

[NYC_SKP]

11. What player wears the number 12 on a Royal Blue Jersey? Today during a walk...

...someone had painted their LAWN dark blue with a white 12 in the middle.

I was aghast thinking it might be Rice's number.

Maybe it belongs to some other wife beater athlete.

Any ideas?

[LeftyMom]

14. Nope, your neighbor's probably just into Stanford grads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Luck

By all accounts a really good dude.

[CreekDog]

44. Well, Skippy was close

had the lawn been painted purple (Ravens' color) and with a #27 (Rice's number), instead of Royal Blue (another team's color) and a #12 (another player's number), it might have been honoring Rice.

if you want to be nitpicky about it.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. The Seahawks use number 12 as the fans' number

Might be what you saw

[LeftyMom]

22. No. He's in Northern California and the house wasn't on fire,

so it definitely wasn't that.

Like I said upthread, Andrew Luck.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

26. Wouldn't he have painted it red then?

We have 49er fans up here BTW. They tend to get some verbal abuse but it usually stops there.

[LeftyMom]

32. He plays for Indy. White lettering on blue.

Of course you have Niner fans up there. Anybody on the west coast who actually watched football more than five years ago is a Niner fan. Well, excepting Raider fans, but meth does weird things to people.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. Or maybe it's for a local high school kid? His parent's lawn?

Yeah, I know people are fanatics, but I always look local first.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

47. Anybody on the west coast who actually watched football more than five years ago is a Niner fan

A bit of a stretch there my friend. The last time the niners won a Super Bowl we were all using dial-up internet.

[freshwest]

38. It's a tribute to the emotional support of fans on the players. Very popular in Seattle:

Boeing unveils stunning airplane for Seattle Seahawks and 12th Man



http://gamedayr.com/sports/boeing-seattle-seahawks-12th-man-airplane-96273/

It's flown in many places, on vehicles, places of business, public icons:



The players like it:



They gave one to Obama:

Just bought an official #24 Marshawn Lynch (Beast Mode) jersey for the kid, but I've got a crush on #25:

[NYC_SKP]

39. That makes sense. Not a particular player, then?

I saw it in a friend's neighborhood that wouldn't likely follow Stanford games, more likely would support Ravens or Raiders.

Ah well.

Thanks for that!

[ismnotwasm]

17. Disgusting

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. Find out how many of them are low income but vote Republican.

[SunSeeker]

42. Same mentality.

They decide to identify with their oppressors hoping that means they are no longer part of the oppressed.

[jillan]

23. Rice Jerseys are flying out the door on Ebay - including the pink ones.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

31. Aaron Hernandez jerseys were hot sellers when he was charged with murder too

The ghouls are out there to make money.

[arcane1]

24. Football IS an alternate universe. Fans stood behind a freakin' serial child rapist, for God's sake.

What's a couple of punches compared to THAT??? At this point I expect Ravens fans to stand behind him.

That's not an attempt at minimizing what happened, but to demonstrate how low people will go when their "idols" do terrible things.

[yuiyoshida]

28. This lady altered her Jersey

[alp227]

51. Technically the ENABLER of the child rapist (Paterno)

There were no "Free Jerry Sandusky" rallies, but the PSU cult followers did NOT want their hero Joe Paterno fired.

[arcane1]

52. Thanks, I knew I wasn't getting that 100% correct

[shenmue]

25. Okay no. Just no.

[geek tragedy]

27. and the Ravens' opposing quarterback is Ben "bathroom rape" Roethlisberger.

Just peachy.

[Hugin]

29. Sure, in 10 years it'll bring twice the price as any of the others.

Due to it's rarity.

Sad, but, that's how it works in sports nut land.

[onecent]

30. I agree....I have been thinking myself it's like the

Twilight Zone...and it get worse EVERY SINGLE day.
It's so sad to sit and watch America CRUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dirty Socialist]

36. The NFL And NFL Culture Sux

WTF is this, a cult?

[bullwinkle428]

37. Disgusting but not surprising. Serial killers have always had

their "groupies" as well.

[Hosnon]

40. I know a few gay guys who are anti-marriage equality.

It's weird seeing such self-harm.

[bullwinkle428]

45. I've see a couple of instances of that on other boards.

Truly -worthy.

[LibertyLover]

46. If other female Ravens fans want to defend Rice

it's their business. If they want to keep wearing his jersey, it's their business. I liked Rice as a player. He did some incredible things while on the team, especially during their Super Bowl winning season. He was also very active in the community in Baltimore, a lot of which never made the news. I was disappointed when I heard about his hitting Janey and feel that Rice deserved to be cut by the team and suspended by the NFL. I have a generic Ravens t-shirt that I will continue to wear, having never owned a jersey of anyone on the team (I will admit that I'm tempted by Justin Tucker and Joe Flacco's however). I don't understand why some other women are not upset about Rice's actions. But I'm not giving up on either football in general and the Ravens in particular. Hopefully, we'll make the playoffs again this year - we have some great, young, talented players. And, oh yeah, we beat the Steelers last night 26-6.